From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #173 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, May 10 2003 Volume 12 : Number 173 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Terroir Blues and other... uh, blues ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: Terroir Blues and other... uh, blues ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Bomb the RIAA [Capuchin ] Re: Elephants never forget...(Cranky Friday: the Final Post) [Eb ] suny binghamton shns [broadway jack ] Re: iTunes Store ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Utopia, and even the EFF could have a slice [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffre] Re: iTunes Store [steve ] Captain Sensible--Collection ["Marc Holden" ] your very odd recording for saturday [0%RH] ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Lord of the Rings: The Tower Outlets [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 17:52:39 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: Terroir Blues and other... uh, blues >The kind of music that's NOT ALT-COUNTRY anymore? Of course, as well as >the >kind that still is, and the kind that never was, alt-. Well, at least four >or five us are at least partially countrified. I'm quite eager for that >Farrar record. There's an extremely positive review of the record, "Terroir Blues," in the new No Depression (unsurprisingly). (I can't believe I'm reading No Depression... ack, where's my cowboy hat? And I just ordered an Uncle Tupelo t-shirt off of eBay, too...) Also unsurprisingly, No Depression dissed the Loose Fur record. I found a copy of said record in the used bin for six bucks... prolly sold off by some Postcarder who's bitter because it doesn't sound like "Being There." (I imagine some dude in a cowboy hat banging the stereo, shouting, "FUCK YOU, O'ROURKE!") > > I still love E6, dammit (except for the Music > > Tapes)! > >even Major Organ? They sound just like the Music Tapes, I assume... >The only E6 band I haven't been able to get into is The Minders. That seems like a strange reversal, as the Music Tapes are probably the least accessible E6 band and the Minders are the most accessible/mainstream... *shrug* > >I still love Eb, dammit (except for the Music Tapes)! > >Yeah, I wouldn't go see the Music Tapes either. Is the "Eb" a typo on your part, or an attempt to put words into my mouth? >I saw the Muses once when Hersh was verrrry pregnant. Easily the >worst Muses show I've seen. It was as if she was afraid she would >*burst*, if she strained to belt out a note. She was so...ginger. I've read a whole bunch of articles about stuff to avoid when you're pregnant (smoking, drinking, drugs, tapwater, magnetic fields [but not the Magnetic Fields as far as I know]), but amplified renditions of "Juno" were not on the list, so she had no need to be ginger. Maybe she was just feeling uncomfortable physically. That's gotta be hard on your back, at the very least. >True. The most recent Apples and Elf Power shows I saw were much better >attended. Yeah, there was a fair-sized crowd at the most recent Apples show, and even a fairly respectable turn-out for the Minders (tho' a smidgen of local pride might have contributed to that). >On the way home while driving down a not-so-nice street toward the >freeway, I unavoidably killed a *rat* which was scurrying across the >road. Sheeeeeesh. That wasn't a rat, it was a record industry executive. (chorus of groans) sorry. I'm staying late at work so I can finish some stuff... and I'm not finishing it, thanks to you pesky kids... blah... n. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:04:55 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Terroir Blues and other... uh, blues >That seems like a strange reversal, as the Music Tapes are probably >the least accessible E6 band and the Minders are the most >accessible/mainstream... *shrug* Mmmm...I'd say the Kohl's-licensed Apples have gotta take that prize. >> >I still love Eb, dammit (except for the Music Tapes)! >> >>Yeah, I wouldn't go see the Music Tapes either. > >Is the "Eb" a typo on your part, or an attempt to put words into my mouth? Actually, I figured it was *your* typo. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 21:11:30 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Terroir Blues and other... uh, blues Natalie Jane wrote: > >>> even Major Organ? > They sound just like the Music Tapes, I assume... In parts. But they also have Jeff Mangum involved. And parts of OTC. Major Organ is my co-favourite E6 album, along with ITAOTS. But Catherine leaves the room when I play it. (In discussion with Catherine, I'd like to point out that it's not my co-favourite E6 album *because* it makes her leave the room. We have divergent tastes in music.) > the Minders are the most accessible/mainstream... That's the thing. I mean, if they suddenly had a 20 minute Tibetan shawm solo, I might be more interested. Yeah, I'm a fucking proggie. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:31:32 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Elephants never forget...(Cranky Friday: the Final Post) Natalie: >>I encountered Phil Huckleberry (sp?), the guy >>who used to run the Elephant 6 list. He said he'd sold half his E6 stuff >>and wasn't really interested in E6 anymore. I f even the most hardcore fans >>are now turning away, 'tis a sad day indeed. Well, I alluded to this when the demise of E6 was formally announced, but I think it should be stated clearly: the E6 "collective" label was *very* off-putting to a lot of people in what would seem to be its "target audience", including myself, and I suspect it may have ultimately been counterproductive to all involved. Specifically, a lot of the E6 bands made music in idioms that I like, and often when I'd hear the music of an E6 band, I'd like it. But the label and the collective so dominated the press for all the bands that an impression was created where "if you like one of these bands, you'll like all of them... in fact you HAVE to!" I mean, the mutual-support-network thing was admirable, but my musical interests are too broad, and my time and money too limited, to buy that many records, or go to that many shows, by that many bands in one stylistic idiom*. And if that's true for me, I imagine it's all the more so for the college kids at which the enterprise seemed to be primarily aimed. Put it this way: I thank God that, when I started liking REM, not every single article I read about them told me I had to like Dreams So Real and Love Tractor, too, or I wouldn't understand the whole "scene". I'd probably have that many more records lying around I'd never listen to again. When the whole scene demands the purchase of that many records just to keep up with the in-jokes, you've got something that's so EXTREME!-indie that it's (A) borderline exclusionary, (B) creepily insular and dismissive of work outside its boundaries, and (C) bound to produce some intense burnout, as noted above. I'm pleased that I might be able to discover and enjoy some of those bands on their own merits now (I actually own and enjoy the Beulah record). Although no doubt a lot of reviews of all of their future releases will start with the phrase "Former Elephant 7 stalwarts (insert band name here)..." *I know there was more sonic variation among the bands than this implies, but that actually only serves to make me further wonder why the E6 umbra was necessary or desireable. ____ Eb (hey, your name looks kind of like "E6"): >>The first band, Helen Stellar, was just *hysterically* pretentious. Worst. Band name. Ever. Man, I've heard those guys... Nic Harcourt has an inexplicable boner for them. He played some of their (okayish) demos and then had them do an on-air live set before they were signed; it was one of the most embarassingly awful vocal performances I've ever heard on the radio. I thought it was a guarantee that they would remain unsigned. Apparently not. But they blew, hard, and that's the opinion of an unrepentant fan of Ride, MBV, and some other early shoegazer records. Sigh... I can't in good conscience advocate a full-scale dream-pop revival, but I'd like it to be remembered with just a tad of dignity. Why must all the bands that even reference the genre at all be so, so terrible? - -Rex, who's also happy that liking MBV didn't mean I also had to like Swervedriver and Slowdive or whoever ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:40:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Bomb the RIAA On Thu, 8 May 2003, FSThomas wrote: > If my understanding of fair use law isn't entirely off (in the US at > least) you can legally make copies for personal and archival use. > Sharing (ie giving them away) is something a bit different. File > sharing networks do cross that line, I would imagine. The solution, > though, should be relatively simple (and not as destructive as some of > the things that the RIAA is supporting). I've never seen anything in the law that would lead me to believe that sharing or giving away copies is illegal. There's a supposed "fair use test" that takes various matters into account (market dilution, the commercial or non-commercial nature of the use, etc.) and helps to determine whether a particular usage is fair (i.e. non-infringing). However, the court has roundly held that there is no hard test and that each case of alleged infringement must be assessed individually to determine whether or not the use is fair. I would personally contend that _all_ non-commercial, non-promotional copying is protected. An author approves a particular copy (or set of copies) for publication to ensure that the work meets with the author's intent and meaning. Copyright allows the author to "authorize" copies not produced by the author itself. Truly identical copies (which are only feasible with digital media) of authorized work are de facto authorized. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:46:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Bomb the RIAA On Thu, 8 May 2003, Ken Weingold wrote: > On Thu, May 8, 2003, Michael R Godwin wrote: > > I'm old enough to remember the 'home taping is killing music' > > campaign). > > The best counter to that I ever saw was the t-shirts and stickers that > said, "Home fucking is killing prostitution". My favorite was the Dead Kennedys EP released on a full length audio cassette with the B-side labelled: "Home taping is killing the music industry. We left this side blank so you could help." J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 19:50:20 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Elephants never forget...(Cranky Friday: the Final Post) >Specifically, a lot of the E6 bands made music in idioms that I like, and >often when I'd hear the music of an E6 band, I'd like it. But the label and >the collective so dominated the press for all the bands that an impression >was created where "if you like one of these bands, you'll like all of >them... in fact you HAVE to!" I mean, the mutual-support-network thing was >admirable, but my musical interests are too broad, and my time and money too >limited, to buy that many records, or go to that many shows, by that many >bands in one stylistic idiom*. Mmm, I don't really feel like this is a problem any more than it was with Seattle, Chapel Hill, Athens, Matador, Shimmy-Disc, Flying Nun, etc. etc. Or with alt.country, for that matter. Any music scene has a certain depth and breadth, and you simply see how far you want to dig before you quit and turn elsewhere. What's so different here? I don't see why you feel any more pressure to like "everything" on E6, as opposed to the others. >Man, I've heard those guys... Nic Harcourt has an inexplicable boner for >them. Wow (ugh). > He played some of their (okayish) demos and then had them do an >on-air live set before they were signed; it was one of the most >embarassingly awful vocal performances I've ever heard on the radio. Speaking of awful vocal performances, did you ever see Ride live? Quite possibly the worst onstage singing I've heard. Well, let's see, I did see the Pastels once.... And speaking of pretentious horseshit, just take a look at Helen Stellar's web bio! I mean, everyone. LOOK!!! http://www.helenstellar.com/bio.gif WOW. What label signed these wankers? >-Rex, who's also happy that liking MBV didn't mean I also had to like >Swervedriver and Slowdive or whoever Ah, c'mon...I think Swervedriver ages better than almost all of their peers. Including Ride, though I liked them all right on record (and Nowhere was even better than all right). Eb, passing through perception and freeing the imprisoned soul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 00:21:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Calico beasts and other boring bullshit to put in the subject line Natalie Jane wrote: > Eb wrote: > >On the way home while driving down a not-so-nice street > >toward the freeway, I unavoidably killed a *rat* which > >was scurrying across the road. Sheeeeeesh. Nothing like the "joy" of contributing to the cause of roadkill. Once totalled an opossum heading on southbound 680 between Fairfield and the Benicia Bridge at like 3 in the morning, so it was pitch black and literally no way to have seen it in time. It's a really oogy feeling. > That wasn't a rat, it was a record industry executive. One of the "headlines" from this week's Ironic Times was that the RIAA was developing nuclear weapons. ==== Eb again: > Incidentally, I found it distasteful how the Muses print > ad had the big Heather Locklear-style credit: "With a > Very Special Appearance by Tanya Donelly." Seems like > Donelly ought to be above demanding such star treatment > in her billing. No shortage of rivalry between the two > sistahs? I'd assumed that it was credited that way to help boost and promote sales, since seeing Tanya performing with the Muses is a rather big deal to a fair number of people. It got you there, right? As for sibling rivalry, if only it would drive Tanya to makes better records.... ==== Eb again and again: > LOOK, MR BILL: CONAN'S FEAT OF CLAY > By ADAM BUCKMAN [snip] > The guests on the show were "Jackass" Johnny Knoxville, > Richard Lewis and David Bowie. TV tough guy Mr. T was > also on hand to perform a "Year 2000" sketch with O'Brien. If I remember correctly, Lewis spends his whole segment freaking out over about Shaquille O'Neal's apparently rather impressive (at least to Lewis) penis size. Someone needs to get some elephant tranquilizers into him. He has to be one of if not THE inspiration for the coked-up werewolf. Except the werewolf is funnier. ==== Eb again and again and again: > Speaking of awful vocal performances, did you ever see > Ride live? Quite possibly the worst onstage singing I've > heard. Well, let's see, I did see the Pastels once.... Hmmm. When did you see them? When I saw them May or June 1992, Gardener and Bell sang fine. Slowdive seemed like they were scared beyond shitless on stage though, and they weren't any better several years later when I saw them as Mojave 3. ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 22:36:21 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: CD art >>>...but if you >>>think in terms of designing for either the 4.75 square or folding-out >>>pages of that size, some quite nice work has been done. A painting, say, >>>isn't automatically better because it's bigger. > >Actually, that's completely true, there have been a lot of great and >innovative designs done for CD's. just for one example, look at the sort of things that Spiritualized has done. And, despite the loss of the cover art of LPs, the amount of information in CD booklets seems to me more than you ever got with vinyl. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:20:45 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: iTunes Store Tom Clark writes, > But why subscription based? Not to be a total Apple pimp yet again, but > I've really been digging the new iTunes Music Store. Bought a Robert Earl > Keen album the other day that had always semi-wanted. But this is the > perfect venue for these onesey-twosey titles people are looking for. I can > even foresee indie artists and labels releasing tracks exclusively in such a > venue. Man, I wholeheartedly agree! I just got a -- drumroll please -- brand new 10GB iPod! And yeah, it's amazing, and I've been tickled to death with iTunes 4.0, especially the online store. I already bought a single "exclusive" U2 track, and a whole Flaming Lips "exclusive" EP, with the song "Yoshimi" sung in Japanese! Heh. So, yeah, I big happy ol' "fuck you!" to Tom Clark. - --Q ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:24:56 -0400 From: broadway jack Subject: suny binghamton shns anybody have a complete set of the suny binghamton (10/2/90) shns that were posted to alt.binaries.music.shn and on furthur? i'm missing one track and would love a ftp fill... thanks! woj ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:05:03 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: iTunes Store Quail wrote: > > I've been tickled to death with iTunes 4.0 Shame it works on so few machines, though. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:41:16 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Utopia, and even the EFF could have a slice Quoting Tom Clark : > on 5/9/03 1:39 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > > > Jeffrey FF: > >>> If the major labels got together and formed a collective eMusic-like > >>> subscription file-sharing deal, I'd join - certainly at eMusic rates > > But why subscription based? Not to be a total Apple pimp yet again, but > I've really been digging the new iTunes Music Store. I couldn't quite tell how that works just from quickly browsing the website - - but one answer is that a subscription-based model is probably easier to manage, accounting-wise, when we're talking about single-song downloads. In the subscription model, every customer has one transaction per month (say), whereas in a per-song or per-album model, each download is a separate transaction. Not only does that increase the cost for the provider, it's likely that those costs are going to be higher for most users. I haven't done the math yet for how much the stuff I've downloaded from eMusic costs me - but I'd say at least five CDs per month - which works out to two bucks a CD. And of course, I could have been fanatic and downloaded a lot more...but I like actually getting to know a piece of music and not being *completely* swamped with new music. But y'know? there's no reason not to offer both models. The occasional downloader would find a per-song/album model more amenable, while the voracious downloader would obviously prefer a subscription model. An analogy might be the evolution of ISPs: initially, a lot of them (presumably not knowing how often customers would go online) had deals like X hours for Y dollars per month. As it became clear that most customers would rather not monitor their online time, most ISPs switched to unlimited subscription deals. (Again: I didn't actually deeply read the iTunes program - so if I'm describing something utterly different, I apologize...) Incidentally, the stupidity that's prevented major labels from developing *any* model for downloading is one reason I have no sympathy for their complaints - even if their claims are correct about their losses of income, etc. What's really funny is hearing politicians who are otherwise vehement free-marketeers trying to prop up the rotting corpse of this dinosaur industry...when it's obvious that, by their supposed principles, they should just let it die. Not to mention that, hey, 99% of their music sucks, and they don't pay artists, abuse them, etc. etc. etc...(not that indies are perfect there...). ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:00:20 -0500 From: steve Subject: Re: iTunes Store > Quail wrote: >> I've been tickled to death with iTunes 4.0 On Saturday, May 10, 2003, at 11:05 AM, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Shame it works on so few machines, though. Apple has listed job openings for a Windows port. SJ said something about by the end of the year. Probably no *nix iTunes coming, but word is that full X11 support is in the works. So you might have the best of both worlds on a 10.3/IBM PPC970 machine. - - Steve ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 10:55:48 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Captain Sensible--Collection SENSIBLE, CAPTAIN Collection (Spectrum) CD - $15 The Damned's famed axe wielding guitarist puts out a thorough collection of the wide variety of songs he's recorded over the years. Silly and serious alternately. http://www.stinkweeds.com/cgi-bin/getit2.cgi?item=I8976I I haven't seen a track listing yet. Does anyone know how many of the songs he did with Robyn are included? Marc Children need encouragement. So if a kid gets an answer right, tell him it was a lucky guess. That way, he develops a good, lucky feeling. Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:17:00 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: your very odd recording for saturday [0%RH] http://www.otisfodder.com/365days.html or after Saturday: http://www.otisfodder.com/365days/archive/130.html Would it surprise you to know that I know someone who once did play this at a party? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:44:22 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: your very odd recording for saturday [0%RH] >From: "Stewart C. Russell" >Subject: your very odd recording for saturday [0%RH] >Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 14:17:00 -0400 >http://www.otisfodder.com/365days.html >Would it surprise you to know that I know someone who once did play this at >a party? no, once? _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:49:31 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: your very odd recording for saturday [0%RH] >Stewart: >http://www.otisfodder.com/365days.html > >or after Saturday: http://www.otisfodder.com/365days/archive/130.html > >Would it surprise you to know that I know someone who once did play >this at a party? This site is also notoriously pro-Claudine Longet, and even used to host a continuous RealAudio stream of her music (until copyright lawyers made nasty threats). ;) http://www.otisfodder.com/projects/ http://www.otisfodder.com/desertisland/ Eb http://home.earthlink.net/~elbroome/longet ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 16:40:09 -0400 From: "Roberta Cowan" Subject: Re: Captain Sensible--Collection From Marc: > SENSIBLE, CAPTAIN > Collection > (Spectrum) > I haven't seen a track listing yet. Does anyone know how many of the songs > he did with Robyn are included? Looks like it's all but one unless I've missed something. Finally on CD...yay! 1. Happy talk **2. Croydon 3. Nice cup of tea **4. Brenda (parts 1 & 2) 5. Yanks with guns 6. Martha the mouth 7. What d'ya give the man who's gotten everything 8. Wot 9. Royal rave up 10. It would be so nice 11. Power of love **12. I'm a spider 13. I love her 14. Glad it's all over **15. Stop the world 16. Sir Donald's son **17. It's hard to believe I'm not 18. Thanks for the night 19. There are more snakes than ladders ** co-written with Hitchcock Missing: Secrets http://www.algonet.se/~jonwar/mansfield-sensible.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 17:20:48 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Googlism Here is a funny site my daughter and her friends found: http://www.googlism.com/ The following are the results I got when I entered my name under the category of "who" Googlism for: barbara barbara is nuclear free barbara is back barbara is a high energy dance fiddler from springfield barbara is a friend indeed barbara is a contemporary colourist who has had a love affair barbara is a vision of loveliness barbara is okay barbara is now accepting applications barbara is a shamanic healer barbara is just like barbara is a wierd creepy witch.... and it just goes on and on Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 18:20:50 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Lord of the Rings: The Tower Outlets http://www.sacbee.com/content/business/story/6640168p-7592231c.html ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #173 ********************************