From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #172 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, May 9 2003 Volume 12 : Number 172 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The RIAA and these damn kids these days ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Huge pregnant bellies, tiny little artwork ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: The RIAA and these damn kids these days [Aaron Mandel ] DVD's and why they sell ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: missed Muses and other tragedies ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Utopia, and even the labels could have a slice ["Rex.Broome" ] re: Coachella lineup was MUCH better [Eb ] Re: Hey, they both wrote songs called "America", so there's a connect ion [Eb ] just in time for aborning J. Falkner fans... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey <] Zappa/soundtracks/archival 78s [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Soft Boys poster ["Maximilian Lang" ] . [Eb ] Re: . [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:32:08 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The RIAA and these damn kids these days Rex.Broome wrote: > > I recently heard that the Library of Congress (I > think) has gone back to > high quality 78's as the ideal, longest lasting > storage medium for archival > recordings recently, as in one month, eight days ago? ;-) Man, I'd love to have "Two Headed Boy" on shellac ... Stewart (who met Mr Bata, the shoe mogul, last night.) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 14:34:59 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: The RIAA and these damn kids these days On Fri, May 9, 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > Aha. Now you're getting to the only part of this whole issue that really > matters to me personally. Then again I'm pretty much a guy who already has > everything on any major label which is of any interest to me. All these > hype around file-trading touts it as ways to find the "newest, coolest > music", but what I use(d) it for was to find the oldest, uncoolest music... > tracks from out-of-print CD's or digitized vinyl from records that never > made it to CD (*coughsixwholeneilyoungalbumscough*), that kind of thing. It > does seem that there's money to be made by prepping those kinds of records > for purchase without printing them (you could even get files of the artwork > along with your purchase)... but maybe I'm more of a minority on this whole > issue than I think I am. This was always my biggest argument for the whole thing. Out of print 12"'s and CD singles: b-sides. Where else would I get them unless the artist released them otherwise? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:06:14 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: the Elephant 6 graveyard >I saw the Essex Green two nights ago... pretty thin crowd. Not sure how >many Elephant-stalwarts there are left in the world, but there never really >seemed to be many in this town. During my stint on Postcard, I encountered Phil Huckleberry (sp?), the guy who used to run the Elephant 6 list. He said he'd sold half his E6 stuff and wasn't really interested in E6 anymore. If even the most hardcore fans are now turning away, 'tis a sad day indeed. Phil did volunteer to tattoo the Postcard FAQ on my ass, though. (Uhh.... long story.) I still love E6, dammit (except for the Music Tapes)! When the hell are Beulah going to tour again?? n. np: Jay Farrar, for the second time today _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 12:30:03 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Huge pregnant bellies, tiny little artwork Natalie: >>My friend Marc, who is six months older than me, >>got to witness Kristin Hersh balancing her guitar on her huge pregnant >>belly. It was a Les Paul that time. Since then they haven't looked cool to me when played by non-pregnant guitarists. I've seen this with gestating versions of all her kids but the first. Only saw the TanyaMuses once... in Paris... halcyon days indeed. Back then she not only toured pregnant, but she toured *internationally* and pregnant. She's really sold out, huh? >>Dunno if anyone's interested in that kind of music, but you guys are pretty >>eclectic, so... The kind of music that's NOT ALT-COUNTRY anymore? Of course, as well as the kind that still is, and the kind that never was, alt-. Well, at least four or five us are at least partially countrified. I'm quite eager for that Farrar record. _______ Marc H: >>The only real disappointment in the >>day was the Red Hot Chili Peppers. Used to say or hear that every other week in college. And they've gotten so much worse, man. >>I was hoping to figure out why they get >>talked about as much as they do, but nope, the Stooges blew them off the >>stage, and I think they knew it. Mike Watt was a good choice to fill the >>bass slot. I'm willing to bet that this will show up as a live album. They >>really should play a few more shows--I'd go again (and again). Striving... to contain.. jealousy... _______ Jeffrey FF: >>...but if you >>think in terms of designing for either the 4.75 square or folding-out >>pages of that size, some quite nice work has been done. A painting, say, >>isn't automatically better because it's bigger. Actually, that's completely true, there have been a lot of great and innovative designs done for CD's. But I seem to see less and less of them because most of the "new" music I buy is on labels with less money to throw at the covers, and all the reissues I buy of course feature artwork at 1/4" its original size so I can't blame anyone there. (More and more I buy stacks of vinyl copies of any records I have on CD when I see them at yardsales, just to see what the hell is actually on the covers... seems a fair use of a quarter.) I get a really good LP-cover-y vibe off of the packaging for the new Lucinda Willams record. Something about the card stock feels more honest than most other attempts I've seen at that kind of thing. It's also not overt, and could be construed as totally modern packaging, but it seems to wink and whisper to me, "You know what's up here... I'm a tiny little LP jacket... love me." - -Rex "and I do, but not that way... although the record itself does get me kind of hot and bothered" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:53:07 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: the Elephant 6 graveyard Natalie Jane wrote: > > I still love E6, dammit (except for the Music > Tapes)! even Major Organ? I love the Music Tapes [tho' I dunno what will become of them since Julian & Robbie broke up], though I can easily see why other people loathe them. The only E6 band I haven't been able to get into is The Minders. Stewart still playing: the office's entire MP3 share, in shuffle mode. Have been since Monday morning ... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:56:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: The RIAA and these damn kids these days On Fri, 9 May 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > But maybe not. I wonder about this. It may be true for older fans who > grew up with CD's (hurts to write that, man), and it's definitely true > for me, but I grew up with that feeling, and without music available in > the ether. Maybe kids today feel differently, particularly those without > much disposible income. Possible counterindication: observe the boom in DVD sales that came almost out of nowhere. A lot of people will buy DVDs that didn't buy videotape before, even if they don't watch a given disc that many times. Why? They want the physical object. Mind you, if as many as half of current CD sales on majors are to customers who like owning physical CDs I would be surprised, and if the record industry shrank to half its current size that would almost certainly be regarded as a massive collapse, so in that sense I don't disagree with naysayers on this point. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:17:46 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: missed Muses and other tragedies >>Natalie, swinging from E6 to alt-country: >>I saw the Essex Green two nights ago... pretty thin crowd. Not >>sure how many Elephant-stalwarts there are left in the world, but >>there never really seemed to be many in this town. > >During my stint on Postcard, I encountered Phil Huckleberry (sp?), >the guy who used to run the Elephant 6 list. He said he'd sold half >his E6 stuff and wasn't really interested in E6 anymore. If even >the most hardcore fans are now turning away, 'tis a sad day indeed. Hrm. But in the Essex Green's case, were they EVER popular? I mean, let's not expect every E6 band to draw the same crowd. I don't go to Elf Power and Apples in Stereo shows, etc.... >I still love Eb, dammit (except for the Music Tapes)! Yeah, I wouldn't go see the Music Tapes either. >My friend Marc, who is six months older than me, got to witness >Kristin Hersh balancing her guitar on her huge pregnant belly. I saw the Muses once when Hersh was verrrry pregnant. Easily the worst Muses show I've seen. It was as if she was afraid she would *burst*, if she strained to belt out a note. She was so...ginger. (I'm sure that I've mentioned this show on the list, before.) I looked it up and found that this week's gig was my sixth Muses show. Huh. I probably would have guessed fourth. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:29:00 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: DVD's and why they sell Aaron: >>A lot of people will buy DVDs that didn't buy videotape >>before, even if they don't watch a given disc that many times. Why? They >>want the physical object. That's part of it, and yeah, possibly the biggest part. But another factor is that VHS tapes truly, deeply sucked as a medium, and I think that's more widely understood than the industry realizes. There's a definite feeling when buying a DVD that you now OWN the movie (its content, that is) in peretuity. Everyone knows, from renting bum tapes, that VHS tapes are going to get eaten by your player, degaused by your speakers, taped over by your children, or just plain degrade over time. Your DVD, however, will still look sharper than broadcast in two decades, even if the technology is superceded. >>Mind you, if as many as half of current CD sales on majors are to >>customers who like owning physical CDs I would be surprised Just to clarify, by "customers who like owning physical CDs", do you mean people who attach special significance the "album-as-object", meaning that the other half only buys music in a physical form because that's the predominant way it's available? Or are you drawing a contrast between CD's and other physical storage media? (I think you mean the former, in which case I pretty much agree, except...) >>and if the record industry shrank to half its current size that would almost >>certainly be regarded as a massive collapse, so in that sense I don't >>disagree with naysayers on this point. ... and I'd assume that, as in previous format or media-idiom changes, the labels will end up with most of the money from whatever replaces the sales of the other half of the units. They don't wanna, and they'll put off figuring it out as long as they can, but they'll adapt like the damned Borg that they are. They're gonna bitch about it just like the film folks did about VCR's and particularly video rental, then take control of the whole thing one way or another. It'll be interesting to see how they do it, but they'll do it, and then things will go back to sucking in a different medium. Rex "this one's optimistic" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 13:23:09 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: missed Muses and other tragedies At 01:17 PM 5/9/2003 -0700, Eb wrote: >Hrm. But in the Essex Green's case, were they EVER popular? I mean, let's >not expect every E6 band to draw the same crowd. I don't go to Elf Power >and Apples in Stereo shows, etc.... True. The most recent Apples and Elf Power shows I saw were much better attended. And there almost no one at one of the first Elephant 6 concerts I went to (Of Montreal/Ladybug Transistor/Beulah). >>I still love Eb, dammit (except for the Music Tapes)! > >Yeah, I wouldn't go see the Music Tapes either. I only saw the Music Tapes because they opened for the Olivia Tremor Control once. I have to admit they were much more entertaining live than they were on record. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:26:46 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: missed Muses and other tragedies >At 09:10 AM 5/9/2003 -0700, Natalie Jane wrote: > >>Stewart, the Elephant 6 stalwart? :) > >I saw the Essex Green two nights ago... pretty thin crowd. Not sure >how many Elephant-stalwarts there are left in the world, but there >never really seemed to be many in this town. Attendance was very thin last night, too. I was really disappointed with the Essex Green, onstage. I like their songs and style, but they're a complete BORE as performers. Never smiled, never a moment of physical exertion, hardly a word said...everything just plod-plod-plodded along in a comfortable, milquetoast gait. The weird thing is that, after the set, they all seemed very friendly and outgoing. What's the deal? Why can't they deliver that onstage? I opened their guestbook at the merchandise table, and noted an entry from one Jason Thornton of San Diego. Hoser. And I couldn't help myself -- I turned the book back a page and, instead of giving an address, anonymously wrote something to the effect of "I like your songwriting, but damn, this is pop! Have a little fun onstage! Smile! Share a mumbled joke! Something!!@hotmail.com." Phooey. Attendance: 50-60 people, I'm guessing. I almost bought the *first* Essex Green album while I was there, but the price wasn't all that special. The headliner was the Oranges Band, a pop band on Lookout Records. I'd never heard of them before, but they were interesting enough that I watched the whole set. They were much more engaging as performers than the Green, though I wasn't crazy about their material. The chief reference point seemed to be early Kinks, but the lyrics and vocals were too easily ignored. The weird thing about the band is that they had *three* guitarists, which seemed totally unnecessary. You'd think they would cut into a dissonant jam or two at some point, since they had the tools at their disposal, but no, it was just three guitarists playing redundant power-pop chords. Very strange. I liked the main guitarist's style a lot, though...he had this tense, vibrating-leg body language which was quite engaging to watch. That's more than I can say for anyone in the Essex Green. He digs Townshend, I can tell. Attendance: 20-25 people. The first band, Helen Stellar, was just *hysterically* pretentious. I walked into the club when they were already onstage, and wondered if the room was on fire. It was *that* smoky. Basically, what we had were lousy, out-of-date shoegazer-wannabes, who performed with a ridiculously extravagant light show involving heavy smoke and several gatling-gun-like floor beacons rotating shafts of light through the smoke and air. What made it so pathetic is that about 10 people were watching this overblown spectacle. I could hardly stand to be in the same room -- it was sheer eye torture. Much later, as I leaving the club, I saw the band's minibus out front. It was just as garish and attention-seeking -- silver stars painted everywhere, the band's name in big letters on the side. Good grief. Take it down a peg, boys. On the way home while driving down a not-so-nice street toward the freeway, I unavoidably killed a *rat* which was scurrying across the road. Sheeeeeesh. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:39:29 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Utopia, and even the labels could have a slice Jeffrey FF: >>If the major labels got together and formed a collective eMusic-like >>subscription file-sharing deal, I'd join - certainly at eMusic rates >>($10/mo), and probably at higher rates if back catalog including o/o/p >>were extensively represented. But they're too stupid and arriere-garde to >>do that... You damn right. This is such a no-brainer, would be effortlessly profitable, and yet it will never happen. The key would be inter-label cooperation; who would keep up a subscription to, like, "A&M's On-Demand Vault & Pit of Egyptians Rareties" for more than one month? But put all the big labels together and I'd think of stuff I wanted month by month, no trouble. One wonders if the labels have Vault Overlords who are familiar with everything they own, what is and isn't in print, where all the masters are and in what condition etc. Well, actually one doesn't wonder that much since I actually, to a certain degree, control access to a large chunk of the holdings of a few major labels myself (that is, they have to go through me to get to their own stuff), and they don't seem any too on top of things. This kind of surprises me, since I've known quite a few guys who were in charge of the "classics" (repertory) vaults for the major movie studios, and they were all bright guys who knew their catalogs front-to-back, and even cared deeply about it, but that's a different industry. Anyhow, all you'd really need was a knowledgeable vault guy, a decent database and a few music-trivia dorks (not hard to find) to run such a service. Get a bead on what subscribers are looking for, start moving tapes out of the various vaults to studios for digital mastering, consolidate all the remasters in a single place as they get done, and rake in the dough without having to finance a single new record or print up a sliver of artwork. Brilliant business model, nobody gets hurt. It'll never happen. - -Rex "hell, there's another job that doesn't sound to bad, and I'm even qualified" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 16:30:56 -0400 From: Johnathan Vail Subject: Re: Bomb the RIAA It is all part of the axis of evil along Microsoft and Sony. Here is an interesting article re: Digital Restrictions Management: http://newsforge.com/print.pl?sid=02/10/21/1449250 jv <- "free speech *and* free beer" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:32:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: re: Coachella lineup was MUCH better > >From: Eb >>Subject: Coachella lineup was MUCH better >>LOLLAPALOOZA 2003 READY TO TAKE OFF > >Coachella was greaT. Did you go? No...it was a bit cost-prohibitive, and I always shy away from the hassle of those monster shows with the freeway jam, insane parking woes, etc. I would have liked to see a good number of the participating bands, though. Including a few whom I haven't seen already, like the Hives, the White Stripes, the Beastie Boys and *Tortoise*. It would have been nice to finally see Blur for a second time, too. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:36:25 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Hey, they both wrote songs called "America", so there's a connect ion >Eb: >>>I'd be very curious to know if the setlist changed radically, because >>>of Donelly's absence. The song choices leaned pretty lightly on the >>>new album, I thought. > >They played 9 out of the 12 songs on the new record. Yeah...I guess it was more new-album intensive than I realized. I haven't fully digested the new album yet, so I couldn't recognize all the songs by ear. > >>Question: If the Muses can still pack *two* nights at the Knitting >>>Factory, why do all their albums always seem like commercial flops? >>>Strange. > >Because they were only playing four cities Oh, OK. I didn't realize that. Shit...with that few dates, the missing Tanya is even more monumental. > >>So, Rex, you heard the child's teeth were knocked out *at Amoeba*? > >Yeah, but not from the most reputable of sources-- supposedly she fell down >some stairs there. The teeth story seems to be confirmed, but the how/where is a bit fuzzier. > >>Rex (possibly standing about seven feet to the left and behind me, >>>but I'm not sure that I can identify him) > >I think you're right-- you were wearing a hat? Yeah. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 13:43:27 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Utopia, and even the EFF could have a slice on 5/9/03 1:39 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > Jeffrey FF: >>> If the major labels got together and formed a collective eMusic-like >>> subscription file-sharing deal, I'd join - certainly at eMusic rates >>> ($10/mo), and probably at higher rates if back catalog including o/o/p >>> were extensively represented. But they're too stupid and arriere-garde to >>> do that... > > You damn right. This is such a no-brainer, would be effortlessly > profitable, and yet it will never happen. The key would be inter-label > cooperation; who would keep up a subscription to, like, "A&M's On-Demand > Vault & Pit of Egyptians Rareties" for more than one month? But put all the > big labels together and I'd think of stuff I wanted month by month, no > trouble. But why subscription based? Not to be a total Apple pimp yet again, but I've really been digging the new iTunes Music Store. Bought a Robert Earl Keen album the other day that had always semi-wanted. But this is the perfect venue for these onesey-twosey titles people are looking for. I can even foresee indie artists and labels releasing tracks exclusively in such a venue. on 5/9/03 1:30 PM, Johnathan Vail at vail@newts.org wrote: > It is all part of the axis of evil along Microsoft and Sony. Here is > an interesting article re: Digital Restrictions Management: > > http://newsforge.com/print.pl?sid=02/10/21/1449250 The actual term is Digital Rights Management. Leave it to Stallman to turn it around. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:54:25 -0700 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: Bomb the RIAA > It is all part of the axis of evil along Microsoft and Sony. Here is > an interesting article re: Digital Restrictions Management: > > http://newsforge.com/print.pl?sid=02/10/21/1449250 Fucking hippies! Between that article and a meeting I just got out of I never want to discuss DRM again. Jason the taxonomist ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 13:55:42 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Coolest thing ever! LOOK, MR BILL: CONAN'S FEAT OF CLAY By ADAM BUCKMAN - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- May 9, 2003 -- LOOK out, Mr. Bill - you'll want to cry "Oh no!" when you hear how Conan O'Brien has converted an entire edition of "Late Night" into clay animation. The all-clay "Late Night" is the result of six months of painstaking production work. It is scheduled to air next Thursday night on NBC. O'Brien made the announcement during Wednesday night's show. He also showed a picture of himself rendered as a clay figure, complete with red hair, jacket, tie and immovable O-shaped mouth. In fact, the figure's expression seemed inspired by the famous look of surprise worn years ago by the accident-prone Mr. Bill on "Saturday Night Live" when he realized he was about to be mashed by a giant fist or heavy object. Unlike Mr. Bill, the all-clay "Late Night" is "violence-free," according to the show's head writer, Mike Sweeney, who also explained why the clay show was made. "We kind of liked the idea of going to all this trouble just for a typical rerun of the show," Sweeney said. "It's just a new way to look at the same images, the same things that are on over and over every night for 1,700 shows. So it's a nice change of pace." The all-clay "Late Night" was adapted from a show which aired originally last October. To make the clay version, "Late Night's" in-house animators (actually staffers in the show's scenic department) laboriously posed each clay figure hundreds of times to simulate movement. The guests on the show were "Jackass" Johnny Knoxville, Richard Lewis and David Bowie. TV tough guy Mr. T was also on hand to perform a "Year 2000" sketch with O'Brien. All of the performers, including band members and other bit players, were reproduced as miniature clay figures who were animated on miniature models of the show's studio. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:11:12 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: just in time for aborning J. Falkner fans... I spoke too soon: you *can* get Air Mail Recordings (home of Falkner's demos/covers comp referenced hereon a few days back) w/o using an expensive & cumbersome Intl MO - they now take credit cards: - ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 03:40:36 +0900 From: info@airmailrecordings.com To: info@airmailrecordings.com Subject: We accept credit card order!! AIR MAIL RECORDINGS NEWS (MAY., 2003) 2-2-34-#103 Kamitakaido, Suginami-ku, Tokyo 168-0074 Japan info@airmailrecordings.com www.airmailrecordings.com FINALLY, WE CAN ACCEPT YOUR CREDIT CARD ORDERING!! Air postage is free to anywhere in the world!! Please check attached excel file for “A.M.R. complete mail order catalog” Send your order now!! Air Mail Recordings 2-2-34-#103 Kamitakaido, Suginami-ku Tokyo 168-0074 Japan PH: (+81)3.5357.3034 FAX: (+81)3.5357.3035 www.airmailrecordings.com order@airmailrecordings.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:38:02 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Zappa/soundtracks/archival 78s >Ross Taylor >is "green and yellow buddies" Zappa's most quoted line? A friend of mine has the inexplicable habit of saying (when anything goes wrong for him): "I'm gonna take my zircon encrusted tweezers and go out and farm dental floss." - --- >So yesterday I picked up the soundtrack to "The Slaughter Rule," a movie I >have no interest in seeing (though Jason Thornton's twin, David Morse, is in >it). The soundtrack features music by Jay Farrar, Vic Chesnutt, the Pernice >Brothers, Neko Case, and other worthies. I haven't listened to the whole >thing yet, but I already love Farrar's instrumentals, which form the bulk of >the soundtrack - very atmospheric and bleak. There's also a beautiful song >by Farrar called "Gather," which gets me all choked up. His new album's >gonna be something to behold. I hope so, anyway. my rule of thumb with such soundtracks: If you don't know the movie, checking for Graeme Revell's name in the incidental music is often an indication of whether the soundtrack is worth listening to. - --- >I suppose the advantages are that (a) the higher speed means less >information stored in any given space, or to put it another way, more >less crowding of detail, and (b) that it's a physical medium with a simple >interface (i.e., a needle and amplification system, that can be simply >built if need be) unlike software-based storage systems, which risk >obsolescence if the format no longer can be read. > >How about an LP record encased in clear plastic readable by a laser >needle? still relies on technology. If everything falls apart, CDs and digital storage will be unuseable, but at a pinch, you could still hear a 78 on non-electrical technology. Hell, at a pinch you could hear it with a turning surface and a pin attached to a cone. James (recovering from the weirdest art opening he's yet been to) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 19:51:12 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Soft Boys poster I had no idea this existed:(first poster top left) http://www.aestheticapparatus.com/products/poster_gall_3.htm Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 16:53:18 -0700 From: Eb Subject: . Microsoft Word for OSX is Satan. SATAN, I tell you. Installing this is the worst thing I've ever done to a computer. Now I've deleted it, but all my MS Word files are fucked up with reams of extra characters. And all the icons are messed up, too. This will take *days* of work to fix, off and on. Just what I needed right now, Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 17:15:01 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: . >Microsoft Word for OSX is Satan. > >SATAN, I tell you. > >Installing this is the worst thing I've ever done to a computer. Now >I've deleted it, but all my MS Word files are fucked up with reams >of extra characters. And all the icons are messed up, too. > >This will take *days* of work to fix, off and on. > >Just what I needed right now, >Eb Mmm...OK, it's not quite as bad as I thought. Looks like only the files which I fiddled with under Word OSX are affected. Eb, trying to make the switch to OSX with mixed success ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #172 ********************************