From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #170 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, May 8 2003 Volume 12 : Number 170 Today's Subjects: ----------------- The website issue [Laura Ogar ] Re: Bomb the RIAA ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Bomb the RIAA [Michael R Godwin ] the next word to go... [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Marmots Ripped Our Flesh-- Rrrrr! ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Bomb the RIAA [FSThomas ] Re: Marmots Ripped Our Flesh-- Rrrrr! [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Bomb the RIAA [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Bomb the RIAA [Jeff Dwarf ] Tell me about Jason Falkner ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Tell me about Jason Falkner [brian@lazerlove5.com] Re: Bomb the RIAA [Steve Talkowski ] RE: um... ["Timothy Reed" ] Loyalty Day, 2003 ["Eddie Tews" ] The Uncanny X-Muses ["Rex.Broome" ] dictionaries [Ken Weingold ] Re: the next word to go... [Eb ] Re: the next word to go... [John Barrington Jones ] Coachella lineup was MUCH better [Eb ] Muses [Eb ] Re: Bomb the RIAA ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Bomb the RIAA [Tom Clark ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 08:38:58 -0400 From: Laura Ogar Subject: The website issue Thank goodness Matthew is so easy-going! Laura ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 08:39:12 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Bomb the RIAA FS Thomas wrote: > > Software Bullet Is Sought to Kill Musical Piracy Simple, though not easily attained solution: diverse computing platforms. Too much effort to develop countermeasures. Some platforms don't allow user level programs to take control of network connections. This article smacks of desperation. They still want to sell the medium, just like they did in 1927, but all the people want is the music. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:24:17 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Bomb the RIAA > FS Thomas wrote: > > Software Bullet Is Sought to Kill Musical Piracy On Thu, 8 May 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > This article smacks of desperation. They still want to sell the medium, > just like they did in 1927, but all the people want is the music. OK, walk gently through this with me. 1) Everyone's agreed that it's legal for me to lend you a CD, because only one person can play the record at any given moment. 2) Nobody ever objected very much to me taping a record for you (though I'm old enough to remember the 'home taping is killing music' campaign). But presumably if I had entered into an agreement with you that you would only play your tape when I was not playing my original, there would have been no legal problem, because there would only be one record ever being played at one time. So this is objectively no different from (1). 2a) I'm sure I've seen software licences which impose this 'one copy in use at a time' condition (though I've no idea how it could be enforced). 3) Ergo, the problem is not that the record is being copied, but that it is could be played simultaneously by more than one user. 4) So, all that's needed is a software prog which checks the web to ensure that only one person is playing one track at the same time. Simple! 5) But what about people who have copied tracks on to CDs and standalone MP3 players? 6) Tais-toi! Never mind that now! - - Mike Godwin n.p. Graham Parker, Acid Bubblegum ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 01:26:58 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: the next word to go... >>PPPS Having been subjected to several days of frat boy twats at the New >>Orleans Jazz Fest describing some fairly ordinary bands as 'awesome' >>(Widespread Tedium anyone?), may I suggest an embargo on the word? you want embargoes on words? Next time I hear one more idea, plan or suggestion referred to by a TV news crew as a 'roadmap', the TV is going out the window. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:53:08 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Marmots Ripped Our Flesh-- Rrrrr! > From: Sebastian Hagedorn > > [snip lemurs info] > > Yeah, but I find them a bit spooky. You're telling me. In fact, the lemur in that particular picture has been following me around for weeks. And I think it's in league with the Laughing Garden Gnome Brigade. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:09:20 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Bomb the RIAA On Thu, May 8, 2003, Michael R Godwin wrote: > I'm old enough to remember the 'home taping is killing music' > campaign). The best counter to that I ever saw was the t-shirts and stickers that said, "Home fucking is killing prostitution". - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 10:24:30 -0400 From: FSThomas Subject: Re: Bomb the RIAA >2a) I'm sure I've seen software licences which impose this 'one copy in >use at a time' condition (though I've no idea how it could be enforced). Ever try and run two copies of the same Adobe products over a network? It works. On a global scale, though, I think that would be nightmarish. If my understanding of fair use law isn't entirely off (in the US at least) you can legally make copies for personal and archival use. Sharing (ie giving them away) is something a bit different. File sharing networks do cross that line, I would imagine. The solution, though, should be relatively simple (and not as destructive as some of the things that the RIAA is supporting). The wretched combination of the record labels hoarding of back catalog materials minced with proposed action to be taken against MP3s is a wickedly short-sited combination. While there's a lot of files being shoved around the net that are rips of new material, there's a fair amount of it that's out of print. While the argument against releasing back-catalog material might be slightly rooted in contractual obligations, I could see that the bulk of the argument is made from the view of prohibitive cost for nominal (or unknown) returns. There's little incentive for a label to run 10k copies Eye, for example, when stacked against the known costs of distribution and promotion and the unknown ability to sell them. If the labels want an easy way to make money with nominal investment, they should open up their back catalogs on a digital-only download basis. You sign a download contract, pay a bit of cash, and get a .zip file that contains .shn rips of the tracks and quality cover/liner note files. If you're capable of burning a CD and print the labels, good for you. The fee should be greatly reduced (though I'm doubtful it would be, knowing who we would be dealing with) because there's no physical product exchanging hands, and they could tag the files in whatever manner they want so that, in a pinch, they could test a serial number to see if, indeed, the tracks really belonged to you. While I know they're not out to make any friends, the RIAA and the major labels they represent should be working smarter, not harder, towards a solution to the problems they're facing. And the annual drops in record sales couldn't have *anything* to do with the fact that they're releasing just absolute *shit*, could it? Nah. - -ferris. PS: A good article on the erosion of rights : " INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY AND THE INTERNET: Covert campaign against freedom of information" can be found at http://mondediplo.com/1997/02/19internet ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 09:25:18 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Marmots Ripped Our Flesh-- Rrrrr! Quoting "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." : > You're telling me. In fact, the lemur in that particular picture has > been following me around for weeks. And I think it's in league with > the Laughing Garden Gnome Brigade. Do you mean the Human Gnome Project? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 15:36:54 +0100 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: the next word to go... Awesome idea? I don't suppose you have a roadmap for the implementation of these embargoes? Cheers Matt "boring, predictable" Sewell >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > >>PPPS Having been subjected to several days of frat boy twats at the New > >>Orleans Jazz Fest describing some fairly ordinary bands as 'awesome' > >>(Widespread Tedium anyone?), may I suggest an embargo on the word? > >you want embargoes on words? Next time I hear one more idea, plan or >suggestion referred to by a TV news crew as a 'roadmap', the TV is going >out the window. > >James > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > .-=-.-=-.-=-.- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. > - -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance > =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time > - -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8 you can filter it out ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 07:58:57 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Bomb the RIAA "Stewart C. Russell" wrote: > This article smacks of desperation. They still want to > sell the medium, just like they did in 1927, but all the > people want is the music. I don't think that's quite true. I think the majority of people also want the packaging (assuming it's not completely slipshod, of course). Otherwise, wouldn't indie labels be just as hurt by file-sharing, if not moreso? Yet, indie labels seem to be the ones that are being hurt least by the economy. This probably doesn't apply as much to artists who are destined to be one-or-two-hit wonders, but even for fans of people are overtly commercial as Justin Timberlake or Christina Aguilera or The Dixie Chicks, I think there still something special about the tangible album itself beyond the mere recording(s). The RIAA's problem is that they've focused so much on file-sharing that they've ignored their own almost pathologically wasteful spending (no doubt enhanced by executive and managerial larceny) and their own failure to develop talent, even within the parameters of ultra-commercial stuff. Even if money was no object, there are probably a lot of songs that people are willing to download for free that they would never spend money on just because they don't think the song is likable enough to bother. ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 08:18:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Bomb the RIAA FSThomas wrote: > The wretched combination of the record labels hoarding of > back catalog materials minced with proposed action to be > taken against MP3s is a wickedly short-sited > combination. While there's a lot of files being > shoved around the net that are rips of new material, > there's a fair amount of it that's out of print. While > the argument against releasing back-catalog material > might be slightly rooted in contractual obligations, > I could see that the bulk of the argument is made from > the view of prohibitive cost for nominal (or unknown) > returns. There's little incentive for a label to run 10k > copies Eye, for example, when stacked against the known > costs of distribution and promotion and the unknown > ability to sell them. If the labels want an easy way to > make money with nominal investment, they should open up > their back catalogs on a digital-only download basis. > You sign a download contract, pay a bit of cash, and get > a .zip file that contains .shn rips of the tracks and > quality cover/liner note files. Or, they could do something akin to this: http://www.custommixcd.com/dylan/ The only other artist they have at the moment is Train, sadly. The Rhino Handmade model is also a usable one, I think. Given how much cheaper it is to make CDs than it was to made records or cassettes, for that matter, things like Editions PAF! are probably fairly workable too especially longer term. While I doubt Robyn is getting rich off _A Star for Bram_ etc, the fact that he's had further EP! releases (or the now four volumes of Dynablob from John Wesley Harding, etc) would seem to indicate that he's made some money that way. And as major labels become less relevant, those sort of boutique web labels will only continue to flourish. > While I know they're not out to make any friends, the > RIAA and the major labels they represent should be > working smarter, not harder, towards a solution to the > problems they're facing. > > And the annual drops in record sales couldn't have > *anything* to do with the fact that they're releasing > just absolute *shit*, could it? > > Nah. > > -ferris. > > PS: A good article on the erosion of rights : " > > INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY AND THE INTERNET: > > > Covert campaign against freedom of information" can be > found at > > http://mondediplo.com/1997/02/19internet ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 10:48:15 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Tell me about Jason Falkner I think Jason Falkner's cover of "Love Poisoning" is brilliant. It gets better each time I listen to it. Should I buy all of his records now? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 12:07:46 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: Re: Tell me about Jason Falkner Don't know much about him, except that he's a Monochrome Set fan too. Check out this link for a MSet cover he did: http://my.so-net.net.tw/jetset/cover.htm Nuppy Quoting "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." : > I think Jason Falkner's cover of "Love Poisoning" is brilliant. It > gets better each time I listen to it. Should I buy all of his records > > now? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 12:21:29 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Bomb the RIAA An hilarious take from another list I'm subbed to... (apologies if this comes through twice - it appears to not have made it through the first time sent) > To the RIAA: > I paid for a concert ticket a few years back and listened to Dark Side > of > the Moon strait from the band. Therefore I am licensed to hear the song > anytime anywhere. So piss off. > > -- > > RIAA gets congress to pass Music Circumcision Law (NEWS) Dec 25, 2005 > > Newborns are now federally required to get their ears temporarily > "clipped", > which deafens sound to the eardrum until RIAA approved "vouchers" are > given > to surgeons who then are allowed, for a fee, to cut out or perforate > "hearing holes" within sound ranges allowed per category of voucher. > > The price ranges are decided by decibel and size of orifice to be cut. > For > instance, loud "rock" in varying styles and decibel degrees are at the > cheapest range of the price spectrum, up to the expensive luxurious > symphonic resonances which is available to the rich and sophisticated, > literally opening up the entire ear canal for the total sound ranges > possible for a human eardrum. > > The RIAA feels that if this new plan is a success, they will recover > from > the devastating P2P Piracy days of the last decade, which expert music > attorney's claim cost the artists over $50 Trillion dollars per month. > > In Florida, the MPAA is beginning it's lobbying efforts for Visual > Circumcision Laws in an effort to stop illegal movie trading. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:14:35 -0400 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: RE: um... In related news, the sharp minds at MIT have developed a new video game controller called You're in Control. There's a picture of a young lady standing at a urinal, playing a duck-hunt type game. This raises so many questions. http://web.media.mit.edu/~hayes/mas863/urinecontrol.html Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of James Dignan > Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 3:49 AM > To: Larry Smoe and Curly > Subject: um... > > > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 11:40:47 -0700 From: "Eddie Tews" Subject: Loyalty Day, 2003 . ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:12:16 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The Uncanny X-Muses Aaron: >>Didn't I read somewhere that the writers (of the comics) were going to >>make Mystique Nightcrawler's *father* at some point, but Marvel's editors >>got cold feet? What I can't figure out is the design for Mystique in the films. If I remember correctly in the comic she was just a hot-bod chick who was blue (and maybe had mutant-standard pupil-less eyes?) but otherwise completely human-looking. Seems like if they'd wanted her to look like a microwaved Smurf in the comic it would've been easy enough. I can only guess that the thick makeup was to (A) cover up some uncertainty about Mrs. Stamos' acting abilities, or (B) allow her to be naked a lot, kinda sorta. But since we assume from the evidence in the comics that she's a parent, that lack of genitalia thing raises some questions (although I guess you could just say she shape-shifts up whatever equipment she needs at any given time). Ehh. I shouldn't go on about it since I don't really remember the comics that well. I read it in the early/mid '80's, post-Dark Phoenix, and the main plot I remember was Magneto taking over for Professor X, and endless crossovers to promote "New Mutants", and Rogue turning "good", maybe some Morlock shit. I did read the Dark Phoenix stuff in reprints and leafed through my trade paperback of that stuff recently. But X-Men was kinda like a "gateway drug" that led from your typical Marvel Superhero book to the weirder, less formulaic independent comics that were proliferating at the time; I remember those books a lot better. But if it wasn't for these movies I probably wouldn't think about any of 'em. ________ Throwing Muses show last night: Tanya Donnelly was a no-show as her daughter had apparently busted her teeth out at an in-store earlier that day. Disappointing, but hell, I would've been there anyway, and hey, it's her kid... I can identify. Great performance, powerful as ever. Still think a band like this, and not Alice in Chains, should've been the next stop after Nirvana for music in the '90's... but utopian dreams die hard. Apparently Kristin Hersh is putting together a new power trio under a new name (50' Wave) for more regular touring purposes. Not sure how I feel about the "rebranding" thing over just calling it "solo with a backing band"-- I kinda thought that, too, went out with the '90's-- but it should signal some more great music to come. - -Rex "but then again the name Drywall really boosted Stan Ridgeway's career" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 16:16:00 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: dictionaries A while back, you guys were talking about dictionaries. What were the ones you guys really liked? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 13:47:23 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: the next word to go... >you want embargoes on words? Next time I hear one more idea, plan or >suggestion referred to by a TV news crew as a 'roadmap', the TV is going >out the window. I'd like "brainchild" banned...thanks. As Rex (possibly standing about seven feet to the left and behind me, but I'm not sure that I can identify him) already said, we learned moments before last night's show that Donelly wouldn't be performing. This was utterly crushing to me, and it was all downhill from there. If the show had been the Muses power trio to start with, I would have skipped it. I was there to see Hersh and Donelly together again. I've seen Hersh/Muses enough times that the alternative was just deja vu. Hersh's voice definitely isn't what it used to be, and that hurts. Furthermore, she hardly ever did her trademark Glassy-Eyed Neck Sway, last night. What good is a Muses show without *that*? ;) So, I mostly consoled myself with watching David Narcizo, whom I still think is the most exciting drummer on Earth whose name no one knows. But I was feeling when-can-I-get-outta-here restless, all night. Especially because I still can't get a decent night's sleep, and wanted to go home and try again. I'd be very curious to know if the setlist changed radically, because of Donelly's absence. The song choices leaned pretty lightly on the new album, I thought. Question: If the Muses can still pack *two* nights at the Knitting Factory, why do all their albums always seem like commercial flops? Strange. I arrived a bit early and had some time to kill, so I walked down the street and checked the Kodak Theater shopping complex for the first time. It's weird...just seems like another mall. You would never guess that the Oscars are held in the theater in back. Neat plaza though, with some imposing Babylonian-style stonework which looks to me like a direct homage to D.W. Griffith's pre-XMen blockbuster "Intolerance." Anyone remember the name of that Italian film from 10-15 years ago about the brothers who sculpted the elephant statues for Griffith? I believe Vincent Spano starred. Oh wait...just got it from the IMDB: "Good Morning, Babylon." That's it. So, Rex, you heard the child's teeth were knocked out *at Amoeba*? Eb, with meters permanently set on "Bleary" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:14:59 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: the next word to go... Aww Rex and Eb - I'm so bummed for you. The idea of Tanya being back in the Muses for one night would be a real draw for me. Its a shame it didn't pan out. I've been a huge fan since 1988 - I was getting into them right as House Tornado came out. Their albums have been wildly uneven - for me it seems like every other album is good. I loved "Limbo", but this new one really bugs me. Every aspect of the song seems to take a backseat to "the wall of sound". I hate the production on this one. The fact that its eponomously titled bugs me more.....THIS is how you wanna go out?? Having said that, it doesn't matter because the songs themselves are great, and hearing them done live puts them all on a level playing field. Maybe that's why the sellout gigs sans the gold records. Me dunno. =jbj= On Thu, 8 May 2003, Eb wrote: > As Rex (possibly standing about seven feet to the left and behind me, > but I'm not sure that I can identify him) already said, we learned > moments before last night's show that Donelly wouldn't be performing. > This was utterly crushing to me, and it was all downhill from there. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 14:30:16 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Coachella lineup was MUCH better LOLLAPALOOZA 2003 READY TO TAKE OFF * LEGENDARY MULTI-ARTIST TOUR KICKS OFF JULY 3RD; ALL DATES CONFIRMED * * SECOND STAGE BANDS ANNOUNCED (Los Angeles, CA) - Lollapalooza, the legendary multi-artist festival that forever changed the face of music, returns with a new and astounding 2003 North American tour featuring an incredible lineup of some of music's most vital artists, a fully interactive extravaganza with a wealth of new sights, sounds and experiences, and its dedication to diversity and spectacle more pronounced than ever. The 2003 tour kicks off on July 3rd in Grand Rapids, Michigan. A full list of confirmed tour dates is below. Founded in 1991 by Jane's Addiction frontman Perry Farrell, Lollapalooza has exposed millions of people to scores of new musical artists, cultural trends, lifestyle alternatives and political points of view over its seven outings, leading Spin magazine to rate it the "#1 Tour that Changed the World." "Lollapalooza's mission is to be great and wonderful, to speak to people and speak for the earth, and to embody music's power to bring people together," says Farrell. "It was created to share the bountiful gifts that our culture holds, and now it's returning to enjoy its permanent place in that culture." The Lollapalooza 2003 mainstage again features a deeply diverse lineup of bands driven by a passion for music and dedicated to pushing its boundaries: Jane's Addiction returns to claim its original headlining slot, with Perry Farrell, guitarist Dave Navarro and drummer Stephen Perkins joined by new bassist Chris Chaney previewing new material live and with a devastating new album, Hypersonic, to be released on Capitol Records on July 22nd. In the spirit of rock's legendary supergroups, two of the most important bands of the nineties pooled their talents to create Audioslave. Produced by Rick Rubin, the band's platinum-selling self-titled debut album features former Soundgarden frontman Chris Cornell (Vocals) and Rage Against The Machine's Tim Commerford (Bass), Tom Morello (Guitar), and Brad Wilk (Drums). Incubus, after touring virtually non-stop for over two years in support of their multi-platinum album, Morning View, took a short break, recruited new bassist Ben Kenney (formerly of the Roots) and has started writing for their fourth full-length album (due early 2004). With their bonecrushing and beautiful latest release, Songs For The Deaf, continuing to conquer the world (and critics' top ten lists) with the hits "No One Knows" and "Go with the Flow," the Queens of the Stone Age will take to the Lollapalooza stage with their own brand of rock n roll depravity. Jurassic 5 are four Los Angeles-based MCs and two DJs who have garnered a truly dedicated following in the U.S. and abroad. MCs Chali 2na, Zaakir (Soup), Akil and Marc 7 and DJs Cut Chemist and Nu-Mark have released two critically acclaimed albums on Interscope: Quality Control (2000) and Power in Numbers (2002).= The Donnas have kicked down the doors of rock's boys' room with a Chuck Taylor-ed foot. Their major label debut, Spend the Night, was recently released and features the hits "Take it Off" and "Who Invited You." A Perfect Circle is not a side project. It is not a hobby for any of those involved. It does not represent the beginning of anything. It is the continuation and the furtherance of many extraordinary musical ideas. The Blender Magazine Second Stage, a fertile launching pad for developing artists, will this year feature streetwise punkers the Distillers, raw metallers Cold and "Jackass" madman Steve-O, as well as British dance/rock alchemists The Music, alternative metal conceptualists Cave In, neo-Southern rockers Kings of Leon, indie-pop buzzband Rooney, white-hot garage kings the Mooney Suzuki, underground hip-hop legend Pharoahe Monch, blistering hard rock trio Burning Brides, progressive rock upstarts 30 Seconds to Mars, and the exotic Bellydance Superstars, as well as a local band performing an opening set in each market. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 8 May 2003 15:10:56 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Muses Incidentally, I found it distasteful how the Muses print ad had the big Heather Locklear-style credit: "With a Very Special Appearance by Tanya Donelly." Seems like Donelly ought to be above demanding such star treatment in her billing. No shortage of rivalry between the two sistahs? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 19:03:21 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Bomb the RIAA >Or, they could do something akin to this: > >http://www.custommixcd.com/dylan/ This is getting a fair amount of press. Am I incorrect that I remember the Beatie Boys doing this like 5 or 6 years ago with the Sound Of Science anthology? Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 08 May 2003 10:50:41 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Bomb the RIAA on 5/8/03 7:24 AM, FSThomas at ferris@ochremedia.com wrote: > And the annual drops in record sales couldn't have *anything* to do with > the fact that they're releasing just absolute *shit*, could it? > > Nah. On a related note, I recently received my AOL/Time-Warner yearly report (yeah, another of my stocks currently in the toilet). Anyway, I went directly to the section detailing Warner Music's balance sheet and discussion thereof. Turns out sales were down, as expected, but not drastically. What really killed their bottom line was "the expense of finding and promoting new talent." That tells me that the public is not willing to buy - or even steal! - their complete shit until it's plowed down their throats. mmbop indeed, - -tc ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #170 ********************************