From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #164 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, May 3 2003 Volume 12 : Number 164 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Snoop Feggy Feg in tha hizouse ["Rex.Broome" ] the moon inside ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: the moon inside [Eb ] Name wars [Barbara Soutar ] Re: fancy [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: reap & bassists [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: reap & bassists [Eb ] no question [Jill Brand ] Bass player ["Maximilian Lang" ] Rocket From The Tombs ["Maximilian Lang" ] feg books ["Michael Wells" ] David Sedaris is god [Barbara Soutar ] My cliche addiction [Barbara Soutar ] Woolley bully ["Ghost Surfer" ] Re: Speaking of bass players... ["Maximilian Lang" ] Why is there a phonejack in the bathroom? [Jeff Dwarf Subject: Snoop Feggy Feg in tha hizouse gSs: >>swc is one of the finest sitcoms ever. what made it so good was it's lack >>of regard for mainstream courtesy or urbane correctness. it hit on all of >>the most common and disturbing social trots. it's a masterpiece. What it proved to me is that all of the above, which I generally value greatly, do not in and of themselves make for great art or entertainment. I expected to like it. I like stuff that's more abrasive than SWC was. But this just didn't fly for me. Didn't quite strike the required balance between artsiness and "Married With Children". It was not, how you say, very funny. ________ Ross T: "you're a ghost, la la la you're a ghost, la la la" Iniit more like "la lala la la la la lala"? Love to hear about more stories in that collection when you're a bit further along... ______ Glenn: >>I'd like to take an informal poll to see which of the bassists Robyn has >>worked with is the feg favorite. I'm interested in knowing why a particular >>player is your favorite, as well. Is it technical ability? Is it groove? Is >>it something completely different? Matthew and Andy. Well nigh impossible to choose. In the Sof Boys Mark 2 (or so), Matthew really put himself on top as the Ideal Rockin' Robyn Bassman. But the Egyptians at their best are basically unthinkable without Andy. F.U. Tom Clark says: >>Andy's work, especially with The Egyptians, was way >>too over the top and obvious. I'm sure that had something to do with his >>production of a lot of the tracks. ... and I don't quite agree. Firstly, I find a lot of it *far* from obvious. I think it has more to do with the fact that Robyn was dead set against a second guitarist, so the bass parts naturally evolved to take on some lead-guitar-like elements... and also, the Egyptians tunes also seem to stand on one chord (a "drone" kind of thing) longer and more often than either version of the Soft Boys did, so the bass has to do something, right? I find most of it mighty tasteful. I think the consistently flighty bass bits on "Element" are one of the things that make that record so special and unique-- totally a band-sounding record without being a set of "the band plays this bunch of songs like a band would do" tracks in the mold of "Fegmania!" or whatever. It'll be really interesting, when and if the live Soft Boys disc shows up, to see if any of the Egyptians tunes make the cut, and sit down and really see what Matthew did with them. Vis a vis the Robyn/Andy rift, it's interesting that it happened in the early Soft Boys before Matthew joined, got healed up leading to quite a few years of collaboration, and then happened again. It would be informative to know if the real problem was more along the lines of "He was just a dick and his personality got on my nerves", or "If he pulled out that fretless bass and ruined one of my songs one more time I was gonna break it over his head"... in other words, was the tension more personal or creative? Did it accrue over time or was there a certain set of songs or decisions that clinched it? Or does Robyn just plain treat his bass players rather poorly and they all end up pissed off at him? ____ From Snoopifed Fegmania: >>Unfortunately, Scotopia Pictures has sold out of both da NTSC 'n PAL release >>of Elixirs & Remedies 'n there are currently no plans manufacture a second >>VHS run (or a Porno Disc). Thank GOD for that last part! But I can't wait for this back to back combo on Luxor: The Idea Of Yo' ass Yo' ass Remind Me Of Yo' ass Rex "My Mind Is Connected to Yo'ass 'n' Shit" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 15:39:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Groove Puppy Subject: Re: A Bevvy and a Bass Modest Mike Godwin sed > PS "Bevvy" with a double-ve is of course an > abbreviation for "beverage" Besides, it's possible to "go out for a bevvy" and only drink one beer and not a bevy! UberGlen sed > I'd like to take an informal poll to see which of > the bassists Robyn has worked with is the feg > favorite. I'm interested in knowing why a particular > player is your favorite, as well. Is it technical > ability? Is it groove? Is it something completely > different? s'easy! Andy. He's more adventurous and more in yer face than the others. Those sinewy fretless lines on QE are just lurvally. H n.p. "A Means To An End - The music of Joy Division" ===== CHUCKHOLE All that great punk rock taste with only half the calories. http://clix.to/chuckhole http://www.mp3.com/chuckhole __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 15:57:49 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: the moon inside >- -Rex, innocent of intimate physical contact with any woman possessing > >any more than a passing interest in the music of Robyn Hitchcock, at > >least at the time of any such encounter and to the best of my > >knowledge... Uh, I think I may have kissed the Great Quail. (Speaking of which, last week my antepartum teacher was talking about seeing flocks of quail around her house, and I took the opportunity to teach the word "hmuh" to my class.) > >The midwifery profession is infested with hippies... > >And don't half of them practice Wicca? Yeah, but, surprisingly, I discovered there's a good smattering of fundamentalist Christians as well (not to mention Amish, Mennonite, etc.) - like hippies, people who don't want to deal with "the system." My classmates definitely don't seem to be of that variety, though. One morning there was a girl talking about how she had her "moon," her "moon" came today. It took me about ten minutes to figure out she was talking about her period. >My kingdom for a satisfying night's sleep..... EARPLUGS. EARPLUGS. You can buy them at any supermarket. n. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 16:04:14 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: the moon inside >>My kingdom for a satisfying night's sleep..... > >EARPLUGS. EARPLUGS. You can buy them at any supermarket. The problem is a lot deeper than mere noise. Eb np: fsck -y...ooh *kewl* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 16:08:25 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Name wars "You know, I understand that I am about to look really unpopular, but there is a *reason* that people take issue with a lot of Barbara's comments. It's not like people just dog-pile on her for kicks. This forum has a lot of opinionated people, and she's one of them. When you toss your hat into the ring, you take the consequences, especially if your opinion is, shall we say, open for vigorous debate. - - --Quail " No need to quail. I won't soutar you. Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 11:57:46 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: fancy >Barbara: >>>And for all the other frisky fellows, I realize that's it's Spring and a >>>young man's fancy... > >Wait, a young man's fancy... what? Fancy pants? Fancy lingerie? Or do you >just mean "a young man is fancy"? Ah, well. I myself am only one of the >three. (Specifically a man, if you're wondering.) no, no, she means "a young man is fancy". Not sure which young man though. Seriously Barbara, I hope you realise that, the bisexuality one aside, the 'attacks' are jest in just. And even that one was just the rattling of opinions. We can be like a parliament of crustacea at times. Prod one and the whole cave will go scuttling around for a while. James (Spring? Then why are all the leaves golden brown?) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 12:00:53 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: reap & bassists >>>"Miss Elizabeth." >> >>Who is that? > >Ooh, you mean J. Dignan isn't the ONLY one who can post deaths too >esoteric and highbrow for others to recognize them? ;) hmph. The last one I posted (which I think is the one you'd be referring to) was Possum Bourne, who was Australasian and Asia/Pacific Motor Rally Champion. His death made third highest item in the BBC's sports news, so I assumed that at least some fegs would have heard of him. He was also a damn nice guy: Re: Bassists, although I appreciate it whenever the double bass is dragged out, I'd still say it's a close call between Matthew and Andy. Andy gets extra marks for that weird fretless on the QE album, but I think it's just Matthew overall. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 18:02:47 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: reap & bassists >hmph. The last one I posted (which I think is the one you'd be referring >to) was Possum Bourne, who was Australasian and Asia/Pacific Motor Rally >Champion. The ONE I'd be referring to? ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 21:21:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Jill Brand Subject: no question Definitely Matthew! Jill, who wants to know what Nanaimo is ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 21:33:16 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Bass player Andy by a country mile. I too have met Matthew and he seems like a nice guy but I just think that Andy's technique is world class. I do not mean to say that I don't like Matthew's playing, I just think it pales in comparison. Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 22:05:43 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Rocket From The Tombs Rocket From The Tombs is touring soon with Richard Lloyd in Peter Laughner place. Yee haa! Max http://www.projex.demon.co.uk/calendar.html Rocket From The Tombs will tour in early June. The lineup will be as at Disastodrome: David Thomas, Cheetah Chrome, Richard Lloyd, Craig Bell and Steve Mehlman. These dates continue to be in the category of "We like playing together but this is no reunion and the whole thing may blow apart at any moment so don't assume you can see it next year." _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 2 May 2003 21:22:00 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: feg books Quail's book recommendations got me thinking...it's been a while for fegbooks, no? What's on the reading tables out there? I'm finishing up Terry Pratchett's "Night Watch" - and while Discworld continues unabated as an industry, I'll admit to enjoying this one quite a bit more than some others in the series. I have tended to like the Watch-related ones more overall, come to think of it. I've also borrowed a copy of Harold Bloom's "Hamlet - Poem Unlimited" and can't wait to get started (seriously). I've been acting like a kid whose found a present but can't play with it yet. It looks fantastic. I really should finish "Morbo - The Story of Spanish Football" by Phil Ball...it's been in process for a couple months now, and I haven't really been able to knock through it in one go. It is excellent though, and maybe now with the season underway I'll be prompted to polish it off. Thanks again to Brian for helping me get it here. The 'to be read pile' adds a second Simon Schama entry "The Embarrassment of Riches" his 'interpretation of Dutch Culture in the Golden Age' to "Basket Case" by Carl Hiaasen, "The Chronoliths" by R.C. Wilson (feg rec), and "Cryptonomicon" by you-know-who. And seeing that quote from Douglas Adams reminded me that I'm overdue for a full reread of his stuff, start to finish. Or maybe just Dirk Gently, or maybe when I get some time... On a final literary note my folks just returned from London, where my Mom made her usual trip to the National Library "to glare at Beowulf" (eyes narrow as she says this). It has always struck me as humorous to hear a retired English Lit prof say "if they'd only managed to get rid of this one copy..." Michael "I'd have been up in Highgate Cemetary instead" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 19:25:21 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: David Sedaris is god I've read that David Sedaris book, "Me Talk Pretty One Day" and it's hilarious. In fact it goes one step beyond that. Just bought the latest book called "Naked" and if my daughter stops hogging it, I'll get to that too. I don't know the TV show you people are talking about by Amy Sedaris but it sounds controversial... Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia (near the site where Elvis Costello and Diana Krall are lovebirds) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 23:16:02 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: My cliche addiction Rex replied to Barbara talk of Spring and a young man's fancy: "Wait, a young man's fancy... what? Fancy pants? Fancy lingerie? Or do you just mean "a young man is fancy"? " Friskiness dominates the scene. Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 12:43:37 +0000 From: "Ghost Surfer" Subject: Woolley bully >I completely agree with Rex on Matthew Seligman. I assume Adian's comments >were in jest. Has your friend heard Bruce Woolley and the Camera Club >"English Garden"? This fine example of 1979 pop features both Matthew and >Thomas on every song. Highly recommended. Also this record features an >early incarnation of Video Killed The Radio Star (more rock band style). > >- -Nuppppppy > The Camera Club was the start of the Seligman/Doly collaboration, it was where they met. Bruce was a former member of Buggles and co-wrote 'Video" as well as 'Clean Clean" and other Buggles hits and this album pre-dated some of the Buggles versions. Matthew and Thomas also backed Bowie at Live Aid as Matthew was in Thomas' band at the time and Bowie wanted then as his backing band for the show. Didn't Matthew play with Lene Lovitch too? I know he was on the early Thompson Twins stuff, i think i saw mention of this in the Comes With A Smile interview with Robyn a year or so back... it also mentioned that Matthew and Bruce Woolley still play together, with Bruce on theremin. >PS thanks to Adian for PV! Is he still alive? - ----------------************************************************------------ "There are times when i can't think about the future, when all my days seem so dark and life seems cruel" - Mojave 3 & "Make a moment last forever, gaze across the ocean to the sun" - Unknown !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! _________________________________________________________________ It's fast, it's easy and it's free. Get MSN Messenger today! http://www.msn.co.uk/messenger ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 11:41:41 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Speaking of bass players... >From: Glen Uber >Subject: Speaking of bass players... >Date: Fri, 02 May 2003 12:06:22 -0700 >Is there some sort of rift between Robyn and Andy that has prevented them >from playing together in, what, 9 years now? Was Andy even invited to be a >part of the Soft Boys' reunion? Are they still friends? Does Andy have his >own thing going? Does he hate the road? > >All the other Soft Boys have played on his tours and solo albums, but Andy >has been conspicuously absent. Anyone know the whole story? > >I gotta know!!! If I recall correctly their paths don't even cross on Kimberly's solo album, I could be wrong. Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 16:54:59 +0100 (BST) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Trawlin' In N'Awlins > brian (has yet to spot C. Joe) in New Orleans I'll wear my Jewels For Sophia T-Shirt @ Jazz fest today (Saturday) ;-) Starting at Dave 'Honeyboy' Edwards, moving on to Mavis Staples, finishing with either Irma Thomas or Herbie Mann/Larry Coryell/Fathead Newman. Can't remember what comes in between... Impressed yesterday by, amongst others, Irvin Mayfield, Jimmie Vaughan, Marcia Ball and Robert Randolph (as I was walking across to the stage where he was playing, the strains of his version of Voodoo Chile came wafting across the field. I closed my eyes and imagined myself as a five year old named Brown Wind being dragged across a mudpatch to watch Hendrix in the late '60s) Ben Harper was OK, but the frat boys and their bimbos in the audience got a little overwhelming. And, boy, it's hot... And yes, Eugene, The Ponderosa Stomp was @ The Rock 'n' Bowl. Truly great venue, though Peter Buck wasn't there. For British viewers, Mark Lamarr was! Have just read A Confederacy Of Dunces to get the local flavour. Great book. (Thanks Matt). Crowbar Joe ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 03 May 2003 18:19:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: reap New Hampshire's Old Man of the Mountain. - --Chris (who was there a few years ago but couldn't get a clear look due to clouds and fog) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 3 May 2003 16:13:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Why is there a phonejack in the bathroom? "Rex.Broome" wrote: > Jeff D: > >>For some reason I remember getting treated like Barbara > >>when I said this before, but "Flesh Number One (Beatle > >>Dennis)," with "Unsettled" a semi-close second > > Yikes... hate "Globe of Frogs" much? That was my first > Robyn album and I still see it as pretty much > quintessential if imperfect. I can see disliking those > two songs... kind of... "Unsettled" maybe a little rote, > and "Flesh" too poppy by a hair, is that it? I would say they are both _way_ too rote. "F#1" sounds like the result of a homework assignment of someone told to sounds as much like the Byrds, but who hated the Byrds. There _are_ several songs on that album I really like ("Chinese Bones," "Luminous Rose," "Sleeping with Your Devil Mask," ye olde tytle tracke), and the rest (save "The Shapes Between Us..." which I somewhat dislike) is fairly good. But those two blow televangelist! ====== Eb wrote: > VICTORIA -- Nanaimo's jazz darling Diana Krall and Elvis > Costello are engaged to be married. At least it's not Bebe Buell. Hopefully she's a better person than singer and they'll be happy. > "They are engaged. But where the marriage is going to be > I don't have any idea," Diana's father, Jim Krall, said > Thursday. Krall, a Nanaimo chartered accountant Sail away...... http://user.mc.net/~manos424/python/songs.htm#Accountancy ====== "Rex.Broome" wrote: > gSs: >> swc is one of the finest sitcoms ever. what made it so >> good was it's lack of regard for mainstream courtesy or >> urbane correctness. it hit on all of the most common >> and disturbing social trots. it's a masterpiece. > > What it proved to me is that all of the above, which I > generally value greatly, do not in and of themselves > make for great art or entertainment. I expected to like > it. I like stuff that's more abrasive than SWC was. But > this just didn't fly for me. Didn't quite strike the > required balance between artsiness and "Married With > Children". It was not, how you say, very funny. It's one of those things that -- like it's channel-mates "The Man Show" and "Crank Yankers," actually -- is funnier in theory than in the execution. The latter two fail because, well, Jimmy Kimmel and Adam Carolla don't exactly ooze with talent. "SWC" failed I think because (A) it never looked like anyone was having any fun doing it, which is kinda necessary in a spoof, (B) the jokes themselves were just too overly precious for the show's own good, and (C) somewhere, it needed a straight man, someone in the show to be sane while everyone else was completely fucking mad. ______ > Glenn: >> I'd like to take an informal poll to see which of the >> bassists Robyn has worked with is the feg favorite. >> I'm interested in knowing why a particular player is >> your favorite, as well. Is it technical ability? Is it >> groove? Is it something completely different? > > Matthew and Andy. Well nigh impossible to choose. In > the Soft Boys Mark 2 (or so), Matthew really put himself > on top as the Ideal Rockin' Robyn Bassman. But the > Egyptians at their best are basically unthinkable without > Andy. very true. I'd say Matthew just because Andy gets too precious at times for my taste, especially towards the end of the Egyptians. Maybe it's that bleeding fretless. [comment from Tom about Andy being too obvious at times editted by mistake] > Firstly, I find a lot of it *far* from > obvious. I think it has more to do with the fact that > Robyn was dead set against a second guitarist, so the > bass parts naturally evolved to take on > some lead-guitar-like elements... So why was Peter Buck there? :) Of course, other bands - -- R.E.something or other come to mind -- have also had the bass player compensate for the lack of lead guitar too, but without some of the more irritating flourishes that Andy sometimes fell into. It almost sometimes felt like Andy wanted the Egyptians to be more a jangly Primus at times. > It would be informative to know if the real problem was > more along the lines of "He was just a dick and > his personality got on my nerves", or "If he pulled out > that fretless bass and ruined one of my songs one more > time I was gonna break it over his head"... in other > words, was the tension more personal or creative? I would have to assume personal since they are supposedly not even on speaking terms really. It's also a credit to both of them that 10 years down the road we don't really have much of a clue though. ===== re: Matthew Seligman, Thompson Twin I think he was in TT during the second album, when they were a septet, and right before Tom Bailey kicked everyone other than Alannah and Joe out. In fact, I think Thomas Dolby did some stuff on that album as well. And, of course, he played on ye olde Mozzer's "Ouija Board, Ouija Board." ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo. http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #164 ********************************