From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #159 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, April 29 2003 Volume 12 : Number 159 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Animal sex fiends [brian@lazerlove5.com] Happy bidet, Bayard [] Re: Happy bidet, Bayard [Christopher Gross ] Re: Animal sex fiends [brian@lazerlove5.com] Live Nude Dixie Stooges ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: Live Nude Chefs ["Michael Wells" ] Apple Music Store [Tom Clark ] Re: released here on 4/29 [brian@lazerlove5.com] More Apple Music [Tom Clark ] Re: Apple Music Store ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Scott & Jeff & Dave [Tom Clark ] Re: Apple Music Store [Ken Weingold ] RE: Apple Music Store ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: More Apple Music [Ken Weingold ] Re: Live Nude Dixie Stooges [Eb ] Re: Apple Music Store [Aaron Mandel ] RE: Apple Music Store ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Apple Music Store [Ken Weingold ] RE: Live Nude Chefs ["Jonathan Fetter" ] RE: Apple Music Store ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: Apple Music Store [Ken Weingold ] Re: Apple Music Store [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Apple Music Store [Tom Clark ] RE: Apple Music Store ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: Apple Music Store [Eb ] Re: Apple Music Store [Ken Weingold ] Luxor? [Eb ] Re: More Apple Music [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Animal sex fiends ["Maximilian Lang" ] Ah! Liberation... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: yes, Liberation... [gshell@metronet.com] Another Feggish book [The Great Quail ] Re: yes, Liberation... [Michael R Godwin ] Re: yes, Liberation... [The Great Quail ] Re: Another Feggish book ["Stewart C. Russell" ] wafflin' [gshell@metronet.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:40:01 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: Re: Animal sex fiends Quoting gshell@metronet.com: >if you have to take a pill because you can't maintain > an > erection for more than a couple minutes, this in my opinion means one > of > two things. either you are so old you shouldn't be having sex or you > aren't interested enough to begin with and therefore shouldn't be > having > sex. no. is erectile-disfunction a disease or just a condition or symptom? Yes. I can be both. To determine if it is psychological, doctors ask the afflicted's partners to check at night to see if there are erections during REM sleep. If there are then it's psychological. If there aren't then it's physical. - -Nuppy, who decided to go into sales instead of sexual therapy. By which of the products I sell isn't that different. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 09:40:08 +0000 From: Subject: Happy bidet, Bayard This goes out to Bayard, who shares a birthday with other despots like Saddam. Luckily, you rule in different ways. Happies, - -Markg ps. It would be fun to do a big feggy thing again before we all are too old to enjoy it. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:54:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Happy bidet, Bayard On Mon, 28 Apr 2003 rubrshrk@harborside.com wrote: > This goes out to Bayard, who shares a birthday with other despots > like Saddam. Luckily, you rule in different ways. I could be wrong, but I think Bayard Day is actually tomorrow the 29th (shared with relatively non-despotic people like John F Kennedy, Paul Erlich and Danny Elfman, plus the brutal tyrant Noel Gallagher). Which is the correct date, Bee-man? > ps. It would be fun to do a big feggy thing again before we all are > too old to enjoy it. Agreed! But surely it would still be enjoyable no matter how old we get? - --Chris (who thinks James Dignan should host a Feg gathering) ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:57:41 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: Re: Animal sex fiends Quoting brian@lazerlove5.com: >> is erectile-disfunction a disease or just a condition or symptom? > > Yes. I can be both. Oh, how embarrassing! I mean "*It* can be both"! However, drinking too much beer has compromised my performance on occassion. - -Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 10:38:45 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Live Nude Dixie Stooges Yeah, I got those naked Dixie Chicks in the mail this weekend. Interesting story, really, what's happening and what may or may not happen with them within the country radio formad. I'd gladly discuss it here if anyone else gave a shit, which they probably don't. But one thing bears mentioning, though... Natalie Maines? She's kind of, um, funny looking, don'tcha think? _____ Michael W.: >>I've added "Kweezan!" as an interjection in >>my daily life...and sometimes when cooking at home I'll grab a pepper, look >>sulkily over my shoulder at my wife, and bite into it while nearly gagging. Heh... for some reason I heard that "Kweezan" as what it is ("Fukui-san!") until I looked at an Iron Chef FAQ where one of the questions was "What is a squeeze-on?". And now that's what I hear. But MAN was I burned by the final of the "King of Iron Chefs" tourney this weekend-- they only showed the last 15 minutes of the cookoff! Like, the most anticipated battle ever, and they showed 75% less of it than usual! Fuckin' food network fascists. ________ Marc H.: >>Iggy and the Stooges (the Ashton brothers with Mike Watt on bass) >>were by far the big stand-out for me. When you're less tired, I'd like to hear more about this. I saw the "Stooges" at All Tomorrow's parties last year... that would've been the Ashetons, Watt, and J. Mascis on additional guitar, with vocals by either Watt or a parade of guests at the festival (Thurston, Kim, Eddie Vedder, one of the guys from QOTSA, somebody else, sadly neither Chilton, Tweedy or Verlaine). Mascis was the oddest aspect... he never sang (which was okay) but it was odd that they chose to add a guitarist at all. Presumably it was a holdover from the Mascis/Watt/Asheton tour where they started the KaraokeStooges. It did help to make it unholy loud. Scott Asheton was having a lot of trouble remembering the drum parts-- just misplacing the snare hits. No big deal as long as he kept on steamrollin', but Watt kept trying to cue him and getting increasingly frustrated. When Kim Gordon came on stage, she looked at Watt and he kind of shook his head and made a "gun to his head/how did I get into this mess" motion. Watt's a real onstage self-flagellator, though, so it was par for the course for him. The drum *sound* in particular was pretty great. Overall it was a pretty cool thing to see 'n' hear. _________ gSs starts off with this, and one worries: >>i'm sick and tired of waiting to hear something controversial from this >>list again so, But then: >>if you have to take a pill because you can't maintain an >>erection for more than a couple minutes, this in my opinion means one of >>two things. either you are so old you shouldn't be having sex or you >>aren't interested enough to begin with and therefore shouldn't be having >>sex. And... yeah, he's totally right. I can understand some cases of physiological dysfuntion, but I imagine that what keeps these companies in business is folks who are paradoxically horny to be horny. Think of all the things those guys could accomplish if they devoted their time to something other than mourning their lost libido. Are the girls back yet? I better sit up straight... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:01:35 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: Live Nude Chefs Rex: > But MAN was I burned by the final of the "King of Iron Chefs" tourney this > weekend-- they only showed the last 15 minutes of the cookoff! Like, the > most anticipated battle ever, and they showed 75% less of it than usual! > Fuckin' food network fascists. Weird, I said the same thing when they only showed the *first* 45 minutes and skipped the ending of the monumental "Chin vs Sakai Battle Homard." What the hell happened? Was it run on separate nights to increase ratings? One minute we've got a lobster battle raging full tilt, with taunting galore, then poof! Nothing! I had to look up who won. Michael "well, some of the taunting was from us" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:27:38 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Apple Music Store Here it is. Plus cool new iPods. http://www.apple.com/music/ - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:29:32 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: Re: released here on 4/29 I just talked to Kimber at Stinkweeds. They got a few copies of Luxor on Friday. Marc was right. And I don't care what Kimber says about you Marc, I think you're alright. ;) She's mailing mine out today. Happily, Nuppy Quoting Marc Holden : > HITCHCOCK, ROBYN > Luxor > (PAF) > CD - $20 > First album of new material since "Jewels For Sophia." A limited > import > of mainly acoustic material. > http://www.stinkweeds.com/cgi-bin/getit2.cgi?item=I8914I > > Hope this isn't repeated news, but this isn't like Amazon saying > they'll > have the album ready to ship--I've never had a problem with the new > items in > the Stinkweeds weekly mailers being available. > Sorry if that's hardly even a sentence. I just got home a couple of > hours > ago, and my nap didn't do much to get me focused. I drove to California > with > a friend yesterday to catch the second day of the Coachella Music > Festival. > We skipped all the side stage bands and stayed in a good spot near the > main > stage to catch: The Soundtrack of Our Lives, The Polyphonic Spree, The > Mars > Volta, Sonic Youth, Jack Johnson, The White Stripes, Iggy & the Stooges, > and > the Red Hot Chili Peppers. It was one of theose rare days when each band > was > great. Iggy and the Stooges (the Ashton brothers with Mike Watt on > bass) > were by far the big stand-out for me. I feel totally wiped out right now > and > I'm facing a 15 hour work day (which I'm starting a bit late as usual), > so I > can't wait to get home tonight and drift into a coma. Chatter at you > later, > Marc > > Children need encouragement. So if a kid gets an answer right, tell him > it > was a lucky guess. That way, he develops a good, lucky feeling. > Jack > Handey ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:54:53 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: More Apple Music I just installed iTunes 4 and searched the music store for RH & SB content. They have Storefront and JfS, but no Soft Boys. Interesting stuff... - -tc, ...to me, anyway ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:57:49 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Apple Music Store At 11:27 AM 4/28/2003 -0700, Tom Clark wrote: >Here it is. Plus cool new iPods. > >http://www.apple.com/music/ Since I'm usually three years behind the latest technological trends, has anyone heard anything or had any experience with the "new AAC format"? - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 11:55:48 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Scott & Jeff & Dave Minus 5 & Wilco on Letterman Wednesday night. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:15:58 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Apple Music Store On Mon, Apr 28, 2003, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > Since I'm usually three years behind the latest technological > trends, has anyone heard anything or had any experience with the > "new AAC format"? AAC is much newer technology than MP3. I know that Dolby and others had to do with it. I believe it's much more lossless and you get much better quality than MP3 at lower bitrates. Apple says that a 128-bit AAC file is virtually indistinguishable from CD-quality, but I understand it to be similar quality to a 192-bit MP3. What it means to be, assuming I can ENCODE through iTunes into AAC (can I?), I will be able to fit a fuckload more music on my 20-gig iPod than now, with all 192-bit MP3s. My Etymotic earphones really require the better quality. A friend of mine who is a total audiophile geek and hates MP3 because of the quality, said he was very impressed with AAC when they were testing it when he worked at Liquid Audio. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:16:02 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Apple Music Store > Since I'm usually three years behind the latest technological > trends, has anyone heard anything or had any experience with the > "new AAC format"? Sure. It's not all that new. Liquid Audio was using it as their distribution method as early as 2000, and the technology dates back a bit further. My unscientific take is that it *does* achieve tighter compression with somewhat less loss, though at 128kbps you still get some wobbly cymbals, etc... AAC is also known as MPEG-2, and is a successor to MP3 (aka MPEG-1 Layer 3). http://www.mpeg.org/MPEG/aac.html +brian in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:17:41 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: More Apple Music On Mon, Apr 28, 2003, Tom Clark wrote: > I just installed iTunes 4 and searched the music store for RH & SB content. > They have Storefront and JfS, but no Soft Boys. That's good to hear. But I still wonder if I will buy anything but songs from artists where I really have no interest in anything else. At NYC CD prices, I will most likely still buy CDs for the entire package and the better (still not sure how much in real-world terms) sound quality. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:22:19 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Live Nude Dixie Stooges >Are the girls back yet? Apparently not. Perhaps they were raising hell at a WWE-fan convention all weekend, and are sleeping in. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:43:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Apple Music Store On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Ken Weingold wrote: > What it means to be, assuming I can ENCODE through iTunes into AAC (can > I?), I will be able to fit a fuckload more music on my 20-gig iPod than > now, with all 192-bit MP3s. They're billing the 30G iPod as "7500 songs in your pocket". Since if I recall correctly the "1000 songs in your pocket" slogan originally was based on 192kbps mp3s, either they've decreased their estimate of average song length or are expecting increases in compression factor. aaron ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:51:37 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: RE: Apple Music Store Brian Huddell wrote: > > AAC is also known as MPEG-2, and is a successor > to MP3 (aka MPEG-1 Layer 3). The thing I know as MPEG-2 (MPEG-2 Layer III) is, in the implementations I have, limited to a maximum sample frequency of 22050Hz. It's nice for speech, and okay for previews of tunes, but I wouldn't want to listen to it all day. Namespace collision? Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:22:33 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Apple Music Store On Mon, Apr 28, 2003, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Ken Weingold wrote: > > > What it means to be, assuming I can ENCODE through iTunes into AAC (can > > I?), I will be able to fit a fuckload more music on my 20-gig iPod than > > now, with all 192-bit MP3s. > > They're billing the 30G iPod as "7500 songs in your pocket". Since if I > recall correctly the "1000 songs in your pocket" slogan originally was > based on 192kbps mp3s, either they've decreased their estimate of average > song length or are expecting increases in compression factor. No, those ratings were at 160. But good point. At their original 160, the 30-gig would be rated at 6000 songs. That should give me about another 1000 songs at 128-bit AAC, and compared to my current 192-bit MP3s, another almost 2000 songs. So I figure maybe another 1500 songs. Awesome. I think this is especially good news for current 5-gig iPod owners. Now if they would just get gapless playback working.... - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:18:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: RE: Live Nude Chefs If memory serves me correctly, there was a longer than usual introduction to all of these shows, with Chairman kaga licking icing off of a cake (with "6 Yers" written on it), munching a yellow pepper in the rain in front of a restaurant, etc. I think the food network should have run them all together in one big marathon. Aluminum Chef Jon >Weird, I said the same thing when they only showed the *first* 45 > minutes and skipped the ending of the monumental "Chin vs Sakai Battle > Homard." What the hell happened? Was it run on separate nights to > increase ratings? One minute we've got a lobster battle raging full > tilt, with taunting galore, then poof! Nothing! I had to look up who > won. > > Michael "well, some of the taunting was from us" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 15:30:04 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Apple Music Store > The thing I know as MPEG-2 (MPEG-2 Layer III) is, in the > implementations I have, limited to a maximum sample frequency > of 22050Hz. It's nice for speech, and okay for previews of > tunes, but I wouldn't want to listen to it all day. > > Namespace collision? I misspoke slightly. AAC is actually aka "MPEG-2 NBC", not simply "MPEG-2". It doubles the max sample frequency of MP3 (MPEG-1 Layer 3) from 48000Hz to 96000Hz. I don't know anything about MPEG-2 Layer III. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:39:20 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Apple Music Store On Mon, Apr 28, 2003, Brian Huddell wrote: > > The thing I know as MPEG-2 (MPEG-2 Layer III) is, in the > > implementations I have, limited to a maximum sample frequency > > of 22050Hz. It's nice for speech, and okay for previews of > > tunes, but I wouldn't want to listen to it all day. > > > > Namespace collision? > > I misspoke slightly. AAC is actually aka "MPEG-2 NBC", not simply "MPEG-2". > It doubles the max sample frequency of MP3 (MPEG-1 Layer 3) from 48000Hz to > 96000Hz. I don't know anything about MPEG-2 Layer III. Here's good info on it: - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:44:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Apple Music Store Doesn't AAC have all this "digital rights" stuff built into it? That is a big turnoff for me right there. I don't want someone telling me what I can and can't do with my mp3. Although I suppose someone will find a way to hack and change the permissions (copyable on up to 1,000,000 computers or some shit like that). =jbj= On Mon, 28 Apr 2003, Ken Weingold wrote: > On Mon, Apr 28, 2003, Brian Huddell wrote: > > > The thing I know as MPEG-2 (MPEG-2 Layer III) is, in the > > > implementations I have, limited to a maximum sample frequency > > > of 22050Hz. It's nice for speech, and okay for previews of > > > tunes, but I wouldn't want to listen to it all day. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 13:57:39 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Apple Music Store on 4/28/03 1:44 PM, John Barrington Jones at jbjones@pdx.edu wrote: > Doesn't AAC have all this "digital rights" stuff built into it? > > That is a big turnoff for me right there. I don't want someone telling me > what I can and can't do with my mp3. Although I suppose someone will find > a way to hack and change the permissions (copyable on up to 1,000,000 > computers or some shit like that). > Here's what the Apple site has to say about the DRM implemented in music files from the store: The iTunes Music Store is fast and convenient for you, and fair to the artists and record companies. In a nutshell, you can play your music on up to three computers, enjoy unlimited synching with your iPods, burn unlimited CDs of individual songs, and burn unchanged playlists up to 10 times each. The part that worries me there is the "play on three computers" bit. Does the file get tagged with the MAC address of each machine that plays it? I dunno how that works. Anyway, you can always burn an audio CD and then do what you want with the songs. You do incur a "codecco"* loss there, of course. - -tc * I just made that up - Compression/Decompression/Compression ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 16:09:46 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Apple Music Store Ken: > Here's good info on it: > Looks like I misspoke more than slightly. Who knew AAC referred to both an MPEG-2 and MPEG-4 standard? Well, Ken did. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:20:26 -0700 From: Eb Subject: RE: Apple Music Store All right, so who can tell me why I can't get my 10.1.5 update to work? Whenever I try to use it, the hard drive is grayed out and inaccessible. I recall seeing talk of this problem on Usenet once, and someone offered some tricky solution which involved using Terminal and switching a file around a directory somewhere.... Like the computer needed to be "tricked" into thinking it was updateable. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:21:26 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Apple Music Store On Mon, Apr 28, 2003, Tom Clark wrote: > The part that worries me there is the "play on three computers" bit. Does > the file get tagged with the MAC address of each machine that plays it? I > dunno how that works. I watched the streaming broadcast. Steve said that you can simply change any of the three Macs you use in the sharing. I guess some setting in iTunes to connect or disconnect to the music sharing. That's cool. All the limitations mentioned really have no effect on me. The only two active Macs at home are mine and my roommates. There's two. And I doubt we'll ever even play around with the sharing. Oh, and that 10 times buring playlists, he said all you have to do is edit the playlist and then burn more. It was so you don't start burning 1000 copies and such. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 14:30:09 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Luxor? From toonzone.net Discovery Kids Block on NBC Adds Two Animated Series This Fall by Pavanbadal Discovery Kids will introduce animated series to its fall lineup, launching the "REALTOONS" block to air Saturday mornings on NBC in the U.S. and on the Discovery Kids cable channel. Offering a mix of cool stories and real facts, the series Tutenstein and Kenny the Shark are based on prototypical Discovery themes  ancient history and sharks. Tutenstein stars a ten year old Egyptian mummy boy who awakens from the dead to find himself in the present day. Luxor, his faithful feline protector, and a modern twelve year old girl named Cleo help Tut struggle amongst present day humans and the Egyptian god Set to regain his rightful place on the throne. Being a mummy, the boy-king smells bad, stores his organs in a jar and his arms have a tendency to fall off. Hieroglyphs, his cartouche and many facts about Egyptian culture history are real to lead accuracy to this 2D/3D animated series. Kenny the Shark is a six-foot, eight-hundred pound tiger shark and pampered pet of Kat, a girl obsessed with marine predators. It isn't easy living with a toothsome chum who wants to eat everything in sight, never sleeps and constantly sheds his teeth. Kat and viewers will come to learn a lot about sharks amidst the aquatic antics while Kenny must learn to live on fish flakes instead of Kat's tender little brother. Kenny the Shark first premiered as the critically acclaimed and Emmy nominated Discovery Kids comedy special that premiered August 19, 2000. There are reports that Tutenstein's pilot episode could be seen as a sneak preview on Saturday, June 14. Twenty-six episodes of the series have been ordered. Stay tuned for further details on the June 14 airing and more information on these two animated series. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 17:58:31 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: More Apple Music On Monday, April 28, 2003, at 02:54 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > I just installed iTunes 4 and searched the music store for RH & SB > content. > They have Storefront and JfS, but no Soft Boys. Yeah, they only have two Elvis Costello albums up as well (Painted From Memory and When I Was Cruel) I just did a conversion test. All my MP3s are encoded at 160kbps. I just encoded Rush's "Exit Stage Left" (hey, we were in a Rush mood today and someone had the album here at work) at 128kbps AAC. The results: 160kpbs MP3 = 83.9 MB 128kpbs AAC = 68 MB That's a 20% difference. I fired up Quicktime 6.2 and synced up the first track with both versions and could BARELY tell the difference. The AAC version appeared a bit more "brilliant", but for everyday listening this more than suffices. Now, I get to spend the next few days re-encoding my library. Hey, if it means I can cram another 20 albums on my 5 GB iPod it's worth it. The Music Store inside iTunes 4 is pretty cool too. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 21:40:05 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Animal sex fiends >From: brian@lazerlove5.com >Subject: Re: Animal sex fiends >Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2003 12:57:41 +0000 (GMT) > >Quoting brian@lazerlove5.com: > > >> is erectile-disfunction a disease or just a condition or symptom? > > > > Yes. I can be both. > >Oh, how embarrassing! I mean "*It* can be both"! However, drinking too much >beer has compromised my performance on occassion. That's okay, you know they have a pill for that now. Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 07:44:59 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Ah! Liberation... http://tinyurl.com/aka6 ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:30:12 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: yes, Liberation... On Tue, 29 Apr 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > http://tinyurl.com/aka6 yeah, i bet by now they really wish saddam was still in charge. and of course you know the conflicting reports from al-jazeera are always right on the money. i have yet to read anything from that service that is not accurate. i know, let's leave iraq and let the syrians and the iranians run the show? how much legitimate cash have they found stashed around iraq? and how much do the most common inoculations and vaccines cost on average per child? gSs > > > ..Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > :: it's not your meat > :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:44:32 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Another Feggish book Sorry for posting another book comment, but I've just finished another novel that I think has definite Feg appeal. The book is Dan Weiss' "Lucky Wander Boy: http://www.themodernword.com/reviews/luckywanderboy.html http://www.luckywanderboy.com I don't usually post TMW reviews on non-literary public Lists, but damn, I really love this book, and since it's Weiss' debut, I think it deserves all the attention and promotion it can get. It reads in the vein of a Coupland of Palahniuk novel, but the sense of play it draws from a Borgesian view of video games adds a whole other level to it. If you ever felt yourself drawn in by the wide, open spaces and hidden riddles of Atari's Adventure, you will totally understand where Weiss is at.... - --The Great "Created by Warren Robinett" Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 15:47:01 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: yes, Liberation... What's going on here? Bearing in mind that this was one of ObL's principal demands, I would be surprised if the Al Qaeda Network don't claim it as a "victory". Other interpretations? - - Mike Godwin n.p. Velvelettes: Needle in a haystack ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:56:26 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: yes, Liberation... > What's going on here? Bearing in mind that this was one of ObL's principal > demands, I would be surprised if the Al Qaeda Network don't claim it as a > "victory". Well, the fact is, the Saudi Arabian government -- the royal family, the "House of Saud" -- is on the edge of disaster, and when it falls, the whole country is going to be a huge mess. The US is very wise to get out of Dodge before that happens, something we should have done long ago...but what can you expect with Big Oil and the Government are one and the same? Though certainly al-Qaeda will claim this as a victory....but that's fine, as long as we are gone when the Saudis fall to a Wahhabi revolution.... In fact, there's a great article in this month's "Atlantic Monthly" that might shed some light on the situation.... http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/2003/05/ Best, - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 11:08:20 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Another Feggish book Quail wrote: > > Dan Weiss' "Lucky Wander Boy" the criminally-hip bookshelf would, of course, have this next to Martin Amis's "Invasion of The Space Invaders". Yes, *that* Martin Amis wrote a trashy book (foreword by Spielberg, no less) cashing in on the early 80s video game craze. I bet he's not too keen to be associated with it now. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2003 10:50:33 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: wafflin' Are we gonna have to kill belgium. and if franks is guilty, isn't blair, bush and that australian guy also guilty? and the danish guy too? or am i getting him confused with the bulgarian? - --------------------------------------------------------------------- The Bush administration has reacted angrily to suggestions that General Tommy Franks, the commander of the US-led war in Iraq, might be charged with war crimes. A Belgian lawyer says he is preparing a case that could see General Franks charged under a law which allows the prosecution of non-Belgian citizens for war crimes. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/2983911.stm ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #159 ********************************