From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #151 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, April 22 2003 Volume 12 : Number 151 Today's Subjects: ----------------- that 70s show [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] personae in songs [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Naff 70s ["Maximilian Lang" ] Yoko La Tengo ["Maximilian Lang" ] Best of Bowie DVD ["Maximilian Lang" ] RE: Best of Bowie DVD ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: that 70s show [Glen Uber ] try-sexuality [Brian Cully ] Re: oh, that left-leaning CNN [Brian Cully ] Back to bisexuality [Barbara Soutar ] Robyn on eBay [Mike Swedene ] Re: Back to bisexuality [Brian Cully ] Re: Back to bisexuality [Eb ] Re: Back to bisexuality [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: that 70s show [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] title of new Fall album? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Back to bisexuality [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] The Skinny ["FS Thomas" ] Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more [mary ] Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more [Steve Talkowski ] Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more [mary ] Re: Back to bisexuality [gshell@metronet.com] Books about albums ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more [gshell@metronet.com] Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more ["Stewart C. Russell" ] bi cycles ["Jason R. Thornton" ] RE: Back to bisexuality [Catherine Simpson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:20:24 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: that 70s show >> >RH - Gtr & Vx, Kimberley - Gtr, Paul - Bs, Morris - Drms, Everyone - >> Bkg Vx: >> > * Together we are beautiful - Fern Kinney >> > * I am the Fly - Wire >> > * Funky Town - Lipps Inc >> > * Come Up and See Me (Make Me Smile) - Steve Harley and Cockney >> Rebel >> > * Love Don't Live Here Anymore - Rose Royce >> > * Golden Years - David Bowie >> > * Dancing Queen - Abba >> > * Ring My Bell - Anita Ward >> > * All the Young Dudes - Mott the Hoople >> > * Spacer - Sheila B Devotion >> > * Stuck in the Middle with You - Stealer's Wheel >> > * Another Girl, Another Planet - The Only Ones >> > * Rebel Rebel - David Bowie (incorporating (I can't get >> > no)Satisfaction - Rolling Stones)+John Bryan & Mark Ellen - Gtrs: >> > * Vicious - Lou Reed >> > * Walking Miracle - Limmie & the Family Cookin' >> > * Sound & Vision - David Bowie (incorporating Rock Your Baby - >> George >> > McRae & When You're In Love with a Beautiful Woman - Dr Hook) >> > * Kung Fu Fighting - Carl Douglas >> > * D.I.S.C.O - Ottowan >> >set followed by auction conducted by Mark Ellen, 2 autographed LPs sold ooooo! Tape? >Gene "where's that Rush DVD at?" Hopstetter writes: >> ObRobynContent: I think it'd be cool to hear him play Gerry Rafferty's > >> "Baker Street." THAT would be something, although "Get it right next time" would suit his voice better, I think. (yup - Gerry Rafferty is one of my guilty pleasures - - I even have some of the Humblebums music he made with Billy Connolly way back when). >Ooh, I sense a threadmerge. I've always thought he would sound great >singing a couple of Harry Chapin's more poignant songs, maybe "Saturday >Morning" or "Shortest Story" (though definitely not "Cats in the >Cradle). Seems like a natural. > >I'm also harboring a secret fantasy that he'll drop "Silver Threads & >Golden Needles" ala Linda Ronstadt on us, but I'm not holding my breath. >Nor do I plan on shouting it as a request on his next visit. Which will >be when? Perhaps a few US dates in support of Luxor? or "Poor poor pitiful me", for that matter. But personally, I'd prefer it if he mined further back to the 60s, if he's going to do that at all (although i suppose a lot olf the irony would be lost in doing that). I mean, he's covered the Beatles plenty, and the Byrds, but why no "Waterloo Sunset" or "Substitute"? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 13:23:46 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: personae in songs >>>The there's the Country Boy,and the Man in Black (although I'm not certain >>>that was from a song) > >It is, although the song was written after the persona was established, and >that's the only reason I didn't mention it. I feel like this has happened >to a few other folks. Isn't Sammy Hagar called "The Red Rocker" or >something? You get a label like that and you eventually write (or have >someone else write) a song about it. another 'after the persona' song, ISTR, is "The quiet one" James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:27:34 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Naff 70s >From: noam tchotchke >Subject: Naff 70s >Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 14:57:43 -0400 > >thought some of you might dig this review of one of the naff shows...one >suspects that john bryan might be jon brion? > >woj > >>From: "George Hardy" >>To: "noam tchotchke" >>Subject: Re: Naff 70s >>Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:34:26 +0100 >> >>Hi Woj >> >>I went to the Three Kings, Clerkenwell on Easter Sunday evening 20 Apr >>2003 >> >>Proceeds to Oxfam >> >>Very small bar, City of London, packed with 70 people, most of whom ended >>up singing along >> >>Set List >> >>RH - Gtr & Vx, Kimberley - Gtr, Paul - Bs, Morris - Drms, Everyone - Bkg >>Vx: Who is Paul? Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:27:59 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Yoko La Tengo http://www.yolatengo.com/news.html Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:29:28 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Best of Bowie DVD I just picked up this double DVD up. I seem to remember that Blue Jean was a long form video. I wonder why it wasn't included in that form? Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:51:26 -0500 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: Best of Bowie DVD > I just picked up this double DVD up. I seem to remember > that Blue Jean > was a long form video. I wonder why it wasn't included in that form? It's an easter egg. I've tried it and it works: http://www.mookidlovesbowie.com/store/bob.shtml#eastereggs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:14:32 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more Quoting "Stewart C. Russell" : > Jason R. Thornton wrote: > > > > The site has another URL at http://sho.com/ptbs/. You might want to > try > > that to see if it works. > > nope; the same. No sho. Surely somebody here knows enough about web programming to figure out how to (say) download the pages and remove whatever coding is preventing Canadians from accessing them, no? Alas, that's not me... - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 23:19:26 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more On Monday, April 21, 2003, at 11:14 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Surely somebody here knows enough about web programming to figure out > how to > (say) download the pages and remove whatever coding is preventing > Canadians > from accessing them, no? Alas, that's not me... This is a strange one - i've never heard of region checking websites. I have a friend who works at Showtime. I'll ask her if she knows anything about this tomorrow. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 20:41:43 -0700 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: that 70s show Once upon a time James Dignan say to me -- this is the dog talkin' now -- what is your conceptual continuity? > But personally, I'd prefer it if he mined further back to the 60s, if he's > going to do that at all (although i suppose a lot olf the irony would be > lost in doing that). I mean, he's covered the Beatles plenty, and the > Byrds, but why no "Waterloo Sunset" or "Substitute"? There are MP3s floating around of him doing Waterloo Sunset with (I think) Tim Keegan. According to the liner notes of Soft Boys 1976-1981, Substitute was a staple of the band's early sets. - -- Cheers! - -g- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 23:55:49 -0400 From: Brian Cully Subject: try-sexuality On Friday, Apr 18, 2003, at 17:00 America/New_York, Aaron Mandel wrote: > On Fri, 18 Apr 2003, Barbara Soutar wrote: > >> My views on bisexuality: why, there is no such thing. > > Whatever it is you mean by this, I bet there's a nicer way to say it. I've always been perplexed by people who refuse to admit the validity of the term "bisexual". Is there any reasonable reason for this? And why "omnisexual"? Is that supposed to mean that those who are attracted to men and women are also attracted to hermaphrodites and eunuchs? Does it extend past that into other sexual preferences like BDSM? What about pedophilia and bestiality? Sexuality is a wide gamut, with gender preference being just a small part of the tapestry. - -bjc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 00:01:32 -0400 From: Brian Cully Subject: Re: oh, that left-leaning CNN On Friday, Apr 18, 2003, at 17:57 America/New_York, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > On a similar note, I have a very close "bisexual" friend who refers to > herself as "gender ambivalent, not bisexual," but I never really > understood the distinction she was making. Not that she didn't see a > subtle difference, I just didn't get it. Gender and sex are different to a lot of people, in particular, trannies. Physical distinction vs. mental outlook is the difference, as far as I know, although I can't remember for the life of me whether it's gender or sex that has to do with what bits you happened to be born with. - -bjc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 21:40:11 -0700 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Back to bisexuality Now that I've managed to offend several people with my criticism of the concept of bisexuality, I'll explain what I meant. This orientation seems to be a recent invention... everyone I have met who claims to be bisexual is gay. Not That There's Anything Wrong With That. I guess I just would prefer that a person choose one sex or the other. The ambivalence must be painful for all who are romantically involved. The word omnisexual is a personal joke. This is how my family would refer to our dog who seemed to find all kinds of things sexually attractive: me, a chair, the cat... our landlord's leg. Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2003 22:16:44 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Robyn on eBay Hmmmm.... many boots of his online. very odd indeed. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2524041230&category=1573 Herbie np -> Disc 4 Beatles Anthology DVD "White Album Era" ===== - --------------------------------------------- Rebuilding my websight: http://www34.brinkster.com/bflomidy/ _____________________________________________ The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 03:48:17 -0400 From: Brian Cully Subject: Re: Back to bisexuality On Tuesday, Apr 22, 2003, at 00:40 America/New_York, Barbara Soutar wrote: > Now that I've managed to offend several people with my criticism of the > concept of bisexuality, I'll explain what I meant. This orientation > seems to be a recent invention... everyone I have met who claims to be > bisexual is gay. Not That There's Anything Wrong With That. I guess I > just would prefer that a person choose one sex or the other. The > ambivalence must be painful for all who are romantically involved. It's hardly a recent invention. It's just being talked about more, of late, as has homosexuality. I'm bi, and I'm attracted sexually to both men and women. My preferences for one or the other has a lot of factors involved, and what I look for in a relationship with men is quite different from what I look for in a relationship with women. I'm not "really gay" and I find that attitude pretty offensive. I could say exactly the same thing about straight people and it would have just as much validity: none. There is no ambivalence. I know what I want (as much as anyone can really claim to, anyway), and so do my partners. There is no confusion or heart ache as a result of my bisexuality. Mind you, it helps that my girlfriend is also bi, so I don't have to deal with a lot of the attitude that a lot of "straight" people can give you about it. Attitudes like yours. And keep your personal jokes that equate bisexuals with your everything-humping dog to yourself. That's extremely offensive. Just because I'm bi doesn't mean I'm a sex maniac. And what the hell does, "I guess I just would prefer that a person choose one sex or the other" mean? You have no say and you shouldn't. Your idea of a simpler world where people just choose one sex or the other is repugnant and stifling to me. About as much, I imagine, as if I had told you, "I guess I just would prefer that you douse your head with gasoline and set it on fire." - -bjc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 01:05:42 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: Back to bisexuality Gosh...don't ya miss Drew, about now? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 01:57:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Back to bisexuality Barbara Soutar wrote: > Now that I've managed to offend several people with my > criticism of the concept of bisexuality, I'll explain > what I meant. This orientation seems to be a recent > invention... everyone I have met who claims to be > bisexual is gay. Not That There's Anything Wrong With > That. I guess I just would prefer that a person choose > one sex or the other. The ambivalence must be painful for > all who are romantically involved. Anyone else here find it odd that the bisexual debate comes up AFTER Drew leaves? As for the last two comments (A) unless you are fucking them, why is it any of your business what anyone else chooses to call themselves or whether then pick a sex or not; and (B) since when aren't all romantic situations painful anyways at one point or another? ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 21:22:49 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: that 70s show >There are MP3s floating around of him doing Waterloo Sunset with (I think) >Tim Keegan. According to the liner notes of Soft Boys 1976-1981, Substitute >was a staple of the band's early sets. and I'll bet no recordings exist :( James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:13:35 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: title of new Fall album? One of Yahoo's headlines today reads "Saddam's 'Shiite Thug' Is Captured" - but in the sans serif font, those "i"s run together, so I initially saw the phrase "Shite Thug"...and got an insight into how Mark E. Smith writes his lyrics (get very drunk, blurrily scan headlines...am I wrong?). Not that I'm drunk at 7:00 in the morning, mind you. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: When the only tool you have is an interociter, you tend to treat :: everything as if it were a fourth-order nanodimensional sub-quantum :: temporo-spatial anomaly. :: --Crow T. Maslow np: Jonathan King "Everyone's Gone to the Moon" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 07:27:57 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Back to bisexuality Quoting Barbara Soutar : > Now that I've managed to offend several people with my criticism of the > concept of bisexuality, I'll explain what I meant. This orientation > seems to be a recent invention... everyone I have met who claims to be > bisexual is gay. Not That There's Anything Wrong With That. I guess I > just would prefer that a person choose one sex or the other. The > ambivalence must be painful for all who are romantically involved. Not to get all Michel Foucault on you, but any conception of sexuality is "a recent invention" in the sense that that way we conceive of sexuality and its relation to our identity is culturally variable. But people have been fucking people of both sexes forever, if that's what you meant. As to your "preference"...huh? How could it possibly matter to you what *other* people want to do so long as it doesn't involve you in any way? And I'm not sure why the "ambivalence" would be any more painful than any other sort of relationship: if you're in a relationship and you have desires for another person, what difference does it make what gender that person is? People aren't really attracted to genders anyway: they're attracted to people, who have gender. Sure, usually a particular gender is among the factors that create that attraction - but not always. I've been attracted to women with blonde hair and women with dark hair, women who are tall and women who are short...do you prefer I'd just choose one hair color or the other, one height or the other? ..Jeff, who was wracking his brain trying to remember Drew's name earlier - thanks Eb! J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal and :: winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:09:10 -0400 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: The Skinny Ladies and Gents, After fifteen and a half hours (roughly), 943.5 miles, and ten states, I arrived and have since built a comfortable nest. My contact info, should you ever need it, is: Ferris Scott Thomas 909 Greenwood Avenue NE, #5 Atlanta, GA 30306 404-274-1632 (c) 404-875-2470 (h) ferris@ochremedia.com (e) ferraatu (AIM) Best wishes to everyone. - -fs. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 14:38:20 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > The site has another URL at http://sho.com/ptbs/. You might want to try > that to see if it works. "Sorry We at Showtime Online express our apologies; however, these pages are intended for access only from within the United States. Code: ZZUK20030422138.38.32.86" - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:51:23 -0400 From: mary Subject: Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more At 02:38 PM 4/22/2003 +0100, Michael R Godwin wrote: >On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > > The site has another URL at http://sho.com/ptbs/. You might want to try > > that to see if it works. > >"Sorry >We at Showtime Online express our apologies; however, these pages are >intended for access only from within the United States. >Code: ZZUK20030422138.38.32.86" Perhaps you will be able to view Google's cached version. < http://216.239.53.100/search?q=cache:bP4RxF0tAxYC:www.showtimeonline.com/+showtime&hl=en&ie=UTF-8 > s.Mary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:01:45 -0400 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more Here's the word from my Showtime contact: > Hey Steve, > > Unfortunately, Showtime websites can't be seen outside the US because > we > only have US distribution rights to our shows. We have international > distributors who buy rights for other countries and legally we can't > infringe on their rights to advertise and promote the shows in their > regions. > > Glad you like the show though! I can email you some press materials > that you > could send internationally if that interests you. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 15:08:19 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more > At 02:38 PM 4/22/2003 +0100, Michael R Godwin wrote: > >On Mon, 21 Apr 2003, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > > > The site has another URL at http://sho.com/ptbs/. You might want to try > > > that to see if it works. > > > >"Sorry > >We at Showtime Online express our apologies; however, these pages are > >intended for access only from within the United States. > >Code: ZZUK20030422138.38.32.86" On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, mary wrote: > Perhaps you will be able to view Google's cached version. Yes! I can get that up on screen. But guess what happens when I click on any of the links... - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:20:44 -0400 From: mary Subject: Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more At 03:08 PM 4/22/2003 +0100, Michael R Godwin wrote: >On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, mary wrote: > > Perhaps you will be able to view Google's cached version. > > >Yes! I can get that up on screen. But guess what happens when I click on >any of the links... > >- MRG D'oh! I thought Google cached the whole site, not just the home page. I checked my other resource for cached web sites but they have nothing for 2003: s.Mary ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 09:34:28 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: Back to bisexuality On Tue, 22 Apr 2003, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Anyone else here find it odd that the bisexual debate comes > up AFTER Drew leaves? oh yeah, must be a conspiracy. and anyone who can explain this conspiracy gets to have sex with me, under pending conditions. ask for details. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:11:47 -0500 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Books about albums I love the idea of writing a book about a single album. Continuum's "33 1/3" series of short books are about critically acclaimed albums (Aqualung, Forever Changes, The Village Green Preservation Society, etc.). A lot of these look really good and I think I'm gonna buy most of them. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:56:54 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more regardless of your ability to access the site and based on the fact that they are normally correct or justified in their bashing, the show is pretty good. the self-helpless episode was excellent, as well as bottled water (i've been laughing at most people who drink bottled water for years), esp, ouji boards, near death experiences, most alternate medicines and of course the people who claim they are talking to the dead and then charge for the service. the humdinger as that there are fools who pay. those people should not be allowed to have children, operate a motorized vehicle, own a gun, vote or swim in a public pool. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:08:21 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Bullshit! Re: Wheel no more gshell wrote: > > (i've been laughing at most people who drink > bottled water for years) If I could get Vichy or Lora di Recoara out of the tap ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 12:00:03 -0500 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Books about albums Not to plug, but well, I'm going to plug. I did something like this for Frank Zappa back in '94-95. Go see -- http://users.rcn.com/dolphmusic/old/projectz.html ta dolph - ---- Original message ---- >Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:11:47 -0500 >From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." >Subject: Books about albums >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > >I love the idea of writing a book about a single album. Continuum's >"33 1/3" series of short books are about critically acclaimed albums >(Aqualung, Forever Changes, The Village Green Preservation Society, >etc.). A lot of these look really good and I think I'm gonna buy most >of them. > >series_details.cgi?sid=311&ssid=642C0351PCB4B88CWK9FEP> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:08:15 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: bi cycles Brian Cully wrote: > Gender and sex are different to a lot of people, in particular, > trannies. Physical distinction vs. mental outlook is the difference, as > far as I know, although I can't remember for the life of me whether it's > gender or sex that has to do with what bits you happened to be born with. Well, my friend is neither transsexual and nor a transvestite, and is quite secure (for lack of a better word) with her own gender. The phrase she chooses to use, "gender ambivalent," refers only toward a lack of preference in the gender of her partners. And to further dismiss the idea that bisexuals are all out there like dogs or musicians fucking anything that moves or doesn't, she's been in several long-term monogamous relationships with people of both genders during her lifetime. She knows what she wants in a partner, it's just that the gender aspect isn't important. >I'm not "really gay" and I find that attitude pretty offensive. On this subject, I remember an interview with Michael Stipe where he talked about the flack he got from some people in the gay community when he came out as being bisexual. According to him, more than a few people felt that bisexuals were just fooling themselves, that bisexuals were really just gays who were afraid or unwilling to fully commit to a fully homosexual orientation. Many voiced their disappointment to him that he didn't "come all the way out" of the closet. > Mind you, it helps that my girlfriend is also bi, so I don't have to > deal with a lot of the attitude that a lot of "straight" people can give > you about it. I used to date a girl that was quite definitely bi. She was quite hesitant to bring up the subject of her past relationships/experiences with women, because the vast majority of the straight men she had dated before me would get "really offended" by it. - --Jason "yeah, sure, I'd fuck a chair" Thornton "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2003 10:14:29 -0700 From: Catherine Simpson Subject: RE: Back to bisexuality In reference to Barbara Soutar: > Now that I've managed to offend several people with my criticism of the > concept of bisexuality, I'll explain what I meant. This orientation > seems to be a recent invention... everyone I have met who claims to be > bisexual is gay. Not That There's Anything Wrong With That. I guess I > just would prefer that a person choose one sex or the other. The > ambivalence must be painful for all who are romantically involved. Gee - I've considered myself bisexual since I was 19 years old - I never knew that I was "really gay" (quick! Somebody tell my husband of almost 13 years!) or that my "ambivalence" was supposed to make my relationships more painful and drama-filled than usual. And to think, I've been doing it wrong for 20 years... (said very tongue-in-cheek, as I'm not really offended. This just isn't a subject with which Barbara has personal experience, apparently, so I take her comments with a large grain of salt). AND Jeffrey with 2 Fs (who is apparently quite wise!): >As to your "preference"...huh? How could it possibly matter to you what >*other* people want to do so long as it doesn't involve you in any way? And >I'm not sure why the "ambivalence" would be any more painful than any other >sort of relationship: if you're in a relationship and you have desires for >another person, what difference does it make what gender that person is? >People aren't really attracted to genders anyway: they're attracted to >people, who have gender. Sure, usually a particular gender is among the >factors that create that attraction - but not always. Thank you for recognizing that a great deal of attraction has to do with who someone is under the skin, and not entirely based on what bits they have down below. As to the pain involved in being attracted to someone (anyone) else if you're in a relationship already, it depends on the terms of your primary relationship. I have a very happy, loving marriage, but both my husband and I are free to pursue outside relationships (no, not sleazy one-night-stands and wild sex parties, I'm talking "intimate" friendships). So, I have a great husband AND a terrific woman who has been one of my best friends for 8 years, and my "girlfriend" for nearly 3 years. I understand that that's not for everyone, but I can't imagine going back to a monogamous lifestyle, and I certainly can't imagine repressing my sexuality just to fit into the "norm", or restricting my relationships to only men or only women, regardless of how I connect with that person on an emotional level. And, in the end, why is it that people are so keen to make judgements on one another based on who one loves or sleeps with? I'd far rather be judged by whether or not I am a loyal friend, an intelligent person, a good mother, an enjoyable companion - things that truly matter, and are by far a better measure of my "worth" than whose bed I was in last night. OK - I'll shut up now... Catherine (stepping off her soap-box!) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #151 ********************************