From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #149 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, April 20 2003 Volume 12 : Number 149 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Yesterday, When I was Gay [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Cricket, singer nicknames [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Yesterday, When I was Gay [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Cricket, singer nicknames [The Great Quail ] Re: Yesterday, When I was Gay [Aaron Mandel ] new Bushism spotted [Christopher Gross ] Re: keepers of esoteric knowledge (0% robyn, but hey, isn't most of it?) [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Yesterday, When I was Gay Quoting Jeff Dwarf : > Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > I do remember, though, watching one of the R.E.M. video > > collections before Stipe came out and thinking, "hmmm, there > > sure are an awful lot of shirtless men in these videos..." > > But then there's the "Pop Song 89" video where Stipe dances > around with the three topless girls. One of whom was, I believe, his sister. What I found amusing about that one was that in the MTV-broadcast version, they put a black bar across everyone's chests - including Stipe's. (This continues the "nipples can hurt you" thread, btw.) So I always took the video as a bit of a joke...certainly not on the level of that time's typical hair-metal-band dancing-women-in-cages video. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:40:58 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Cricket, singer nicknames Crowbar Joe sez: >The reverse sweep incorporates a measure of ambidexterity... > >(At last! I have posted something that will make as little sense to most >other people on the list as Buffy posts do to me!!) I suppose it does. It's also been largely responsible for Craig McMillan being dropped from the current NZ national side. You look a complete prat if you get out that way - and he does, far too often. - --- >> >The Piano Man, the Material Girl, the >>>Red-Headed Stranger, the Coal Miner's Daughter, the Space Cowboy, the Gypsy, >>>the Acid Queen, the Excitable Boy, Miss World, the Grievous Angel, the >> >Rhinestone Cowboy, the Slider, the Laughing Gnome > >This was a pretty cool list, by the way, though the durability of >some of these labels is debatable. (I'm not even sure who "The Gypsy" >is! Stevie Nicks??) > >Anyone have other suggestions? Off the top of my head, I'm having >trouble extending this list. I suppose that Ziggy Stardust doesn't count, as it was a deliberate persona, but surely The lizard king counts. The there's the Country Boy, and the Man in Black (although I'm not certain that was from a song). I've heard Ian Anderson described as Aqualung once or twice, and I'm pretty sure that Donovan was known as The Hurdygurdy Man for a while. A similar problem (one also faced by Ian Anderson, along with Debbie Harry and others) is the identification of a band's name as the name or nickname of the singer - and by the way, which one's Pink? - --- >- --Quail, whose mother played Harry Chapin and Joan Baez non-stop through his >childhood. oh dear... mental images of her dressing up as Chapin and Baez... James (perhaps it was at tennis) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 22:17:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Yesterday, When I was Gay Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Quoting Jeff Dwarf : > > Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > > I do remember, though, watching one of the R.E.M. video > > > collections before Stipe came out and thinking, "hmmm, > > > there sure are an awful lot of shirtless men in these > > > videos..." > > > > But then there's the "Pop Song 89" video where Stipe dances > > around with the three topless girls. > > One of whom was, I believe, his sister. What I found amusing > about that one was that in the MTV-broadcast version, they put > a black bar across everyone's chests - including Stipe's. I think I remember at the time reading in Rolling Stone that Stipe had turned it in to MTV with the bars included which certainly lends credence to it being a joke (I think Stipe said something at the time that he decided that "a nipple was a nipple" as I think he directed or co-directed that video). The funny thing is, in a couple spots the bars miss a few non-Stipe nipples! At least on the first few airings. Surely an accident :) Of course, hasn't Stipe always basically said he was bi anyways? > (This continues the "nipples can hurt you" thread, btw.) > > So I always took the video as a bit of a joke...certainly not > on the level of that time's typical hair-metal-band dancing- > women-in-cages video. I think it was definitely intended as a joke on those videos. That you could show these women in obviously very sexualized circumstances, but the mere showing of female nipples in a pretty non sexual situation -- dancing or not -- was "too hot" for the poor impressionable children of America to have to endure. ===== "Being accused of hating America by people like Ann Coulter or Laura Ingraham is like being accused of hating children by Michael Jackson or (Cardinal) Bernard Law." -- anonymous . The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 10:37:34 -0400 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Cricket, singer nicknames >> - --Quail, whose mother played Harry Chapin and Joan Baez non-stop through childhood. > oh dear... mental images of her dressing up as Chapin and Baez... The funny thing is, my mom kind of *looked* like Joan Baez in the 70s. And in my young imagination, I confused her with Joan Baez herself -- after all, my Mom would play her records incessantly and sing the songs all the time. So for a while there, I believed my mother actually *was* Joan Baez. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 11:06:44 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: Yesterday, When I was Gay On Sat, 19 Apr 2003, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > That you could show these women in obviously very sexualized > circumstances, but the mere showing of female nipples in a pretty non > sexual situation -- dancing or not -- was "too hot" for the poor > impressionable children of America to have to endure. Pretty non-sexual, maybe, but still hot, or so I thought when I saw the non-boxed version recently. Instead of comparing it to hair-metal excess, it's interesting to watch that next to Massive Attack's "Be Thankful For What You've Got" with its (intentionally) alienatingly half-hearted strip-tease at the center. a ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 13:38:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: new Bushism spotted New to me, anyway. "Korean Peninchula." Is there actually an accent in Texas or someplace that pronounces "peninsula" that way, or is it a Bush original? Just thought I'd switch from Buffy to my other favorite theme, mocking President Dubya.... - --Chris ps: Buffy article in today's NYT (free registration required): The author imagines an ideal final episode which, while probably not MY ideal, would be neat. ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2003 19:00:08 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: keepers of esoteric knowledge (0% robyn, but hey, isn't most of it?) Quoting Thomas Rodebaugh : > hi all, > > had a conversation amongst friends, regarding the stilted way that > people > from the fifties (and the u.s.a) are often portrayed as speaking, and we > started wondering if there exist any "fly on the wall" recordings from > the > fifties. Wrong decade - and not necessarily "average" people (which seems implied in what you say) - but the Watergate transcripts notoriously reflected the rather fractured grammar of everyday, real, conversational speech. The transcripts are available; I don't know if any audio is. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #149 ********************************