From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #145 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, April 17 2003 Volume 12 : Number 145 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Baroque twin neck is back ["Brian Hoare" ] Mr. Xandman [Christopher Gross ] "Summertime" [Christopher Gross ] Re: "Summertime" [Michael R Godwin ] lleft of the dial ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: Mr. Xandman [Miles Goosens ] Pens and other objects of nerdly desire ["Rex.Broome" ] Ermm... and, uhhh.. ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: "Summertime" [Tom Clark ] Re: actual Robyn Hitchcock question shock horror. ["ross taylor" Subject: Baroque twin neck is back The weird but wonderful twin neck guitar from 1690 http://www.khm.at/system2E.html?/staticE/page190.html can be yours. Or at least a reproduction can be. see http://www.lutesandguitars.co.uk/htm/cat11.htm and find item 14. Am I alone in finding those baroque rosettes amazing? I'm going to have to treat myself to one of their lutes at some point. Brian. np Colourfield, Virgins + Philistines _________________________________________________________________ On the move? Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/mobile ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:56:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Mr. Xandman Warning: major Buffy geekery ahead.... On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Miles Goosens wrote: > Xander is overdue for a major karmic comeuppance Personally, I don't feel that way. This season Xander hasn't really done anything bad. Last season he definitely hurt people, by leaving Anya at the altar and by giving in to rage over Anya's and Buffy's flings with Spike; but he apologized for the latter, and the former hurt Xander himself as much as it did Anya (and frankly it didn't hurt either of them as much as a doubtless unhappy marriage would have). Or perhaps you're thinking of something that happened earlier, 'round about the end of season 2.... > (one of this season's > best internal-consistency moments was when Xander let slip a little > more about his role in Angel's death at the end of Season 2, Gah! I thought that was a terrible consistency *blunder*. In the "Selfless" (the Anya's-life-story episode), Buffy mentioned Xander's infamous lie at the end of season 2, when Xander failed to tell Buffy that Willow was trying to restore Angel's soul. The way "Selfless" is written, it seems that neither Buffy nor Willow has ever realized that Xander had lied. This makes NO SENSE AT ALL! Buffy MUST have figured it out sometime in following four and a half. After all, she knew that Willow cast the spell to restore Angel's soul (she mentions it early in season 3). Obviously, then, Willow wouldn't have sent a message to Buffy telling her to kick Angel's ass. Buffy'd have to be pretty dim not to spot the inconsistency. Besides, are we really to believe that it never once came up in conversation between Buffy and Willow in all the years since then? I'll give the writers credit for *trying* to make a reference to season 2, but IMHO they flubbed it badly. (BTW, I am of the opinion that with or without Xander's lie, it would have been impossible for Buffy to save Angel in "Becoming." Angel was already starting the ritual and he pulled out the sword as soon as Buffy showed up, after which point she had no choice but to kill him to save the world. This would have happened whether Buffy showed up aiming to kill or just to delay Angel. (And anyway, the sending Angel to hell bit was just so much more Jossian.) So, while Xander's lie reflected badly on him, it didn't make much practical difference to Buffy and Angel.) > plus > there's the whole unrequited Buffy-lust thing that essentially made > him leave Anya at the altar and always has driven him), I strongly disagree with this. Xander's friendship with Buffy may still have a buried lust element to it, okay; but it hasn't been the dominant element since season 2 and hasn't even been an important element since season 3. (Did Xander try to hook up with Buffy after Angel left and before Anya came back? Nope. In fact, Xander left town for the whole summer. He also did his clumsy best to help Buffy's relationship with Riley work out in season 5.) And Xander left Anya at the altar because he decided that he wasn't ready and the marriage wouldn't work out (correctly, IMO), not because of anything to do with Buffy. > >Molly *looked* cute, but her fake Cockney accent really turned me off. > > Hrmph. I didn't think it was *that* fake, plus a cute, pale-skinned > British brunette in fancy tights is something I find irresistible. > God bless the Sock Shoppe. Well, her accent did improve over time (or maybe she just had fewer lines), and I certainly agree with you about her looks. Though with Faith back and Buffy and Willow still around, I don't really need anyone else to look at.... I stand by my preference for Jewel Staite over Morena "Inara" Baccarin, but I do like Morena too, and Gina "Zoe/Jasmine" Torres. But leaving cute-chickness aside for a moment, another Firefly alum I'd like to see on Buffy or Angel is Alan "Wash" Tudyk. I must have missed something. Who is Jane the Timeline Chick? - --Christopher "Not an Actor" Gross ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 12:13:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: "Summertime" I'm trying to help someone who's writing a short article about Janis Joplin (and Big Brother and the Holding Co.) and her version of "Summertime." Among other things, he wants to find out how many times "Summertime" has been recorded, and how the number compares to other old standards. Is there any definitive compilation of cover-version stats out there? Or am I dreaming? Also, if anyone knows of any info about the song, recording session, etc. floating around on the web or on paper, please let me know. Thanks! - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 17:32:13 +0100 (BST) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: "Summertime" On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Christopher Gross wrote: > Also, if anyone knows of any info about the song, recording session, etc. > floating around on the web or on paper, please let me know. Thanks! To start with, there are 141 covers at: http://members.lycos.nl/summertimeweb/Summertime_covers.html including Barry Manilow, the Doors, Ten Years After, the Residents, the Royal Philharmonic, John Coltrane, Dave Edmunds, the Walker Brothers, Iggy Pop, and the Pride of Dayton Marching Band. But I suspect there are many more. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:40:04 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: lleft of the dial >That's why lefties are often experts on the fastest drying pens. My >personal favorite is the Uni-Ball Vision Micro. It rocks. Ahh, thanks! I'll have to pick one up. I wish there was a non-smudging pencil, though. I also box left-handed, which tends to confuse my boxing partners. One person pointed out that I have an unusually strong right jab, and my teacher said that was normal for southpaws. I wonder if left-handers' right hands are stronger than right-handers' left hands, because we have to use our right hands more in a right-handed world. >wot? It's one of the gingeriest ginger ales going. >If you want gingerless, try Canada Dry. There's no actual ginger in Vernors! Look at the ingredients! The gingeriest ginger ales out there are usually called "ginger beer." My favorite is called Reed's, I think - so chock full of ginger that it helped cure me when I was sick to my stomach once. (Ginger is good for digestive system complaints.) >or does it mean that he is recording music that >others can use in music therapy? I assume this is what Robert Schneider meant. I'm not sure why that seemed like such an ambiguous statement. > >p.s. Miles, Jane the Timeline Chick says she can make you a T-shirt > > >that says "I am Tweedy's bitch" on it, if you want one. :P > >Problem is that I would never wear it, though the idea of having an actual >Jane the Timeline Chick artifact has near-irresistible appeal. She's making me an Uncle Tupelo shirt. If it turns out well, I'll have her take a picture of me wearing it and post it somewhere so you can see her handiwork. She's actually very skilled - apparently the Minus 5 liked her shirt so much that they want her to make more for them. >And since I'm getting ready to trade my copy of DOWN WITH WILCO, looks > >like I'm not quite as Tweedy-submissive as the shirt implies. I do >like >the Loose Fur record a lot, though. We agree again! "Down With Wilco" is also in my "to-sell" pile, while the Loose Fur record gets played often. I like it so much, in fact, that I was inspired to buy Jim O'Rourke's "Insignificance," which I also really like. The inside cover depicts a feggy perverted fever dream - a consternated chubby guy being sodomized by an octopus. I nearly died laughing when I saw it. > >You did pay me, with a dollar bill that said "In Gnome We Trust" on it. > >Huh. I was wondering where that federal note got to. You don't have >my >Andrew Merman twenty too, do you? Sorry. And it was actually just a regular dollar bill with "God" crossed out and "gnome" written in. n. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:44:26 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Mr. Xandman At 11:56 AM 4/17/2003 -0400, Christopher Gross wrote: >Warning: major Buffy geekery ahead.... > >On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, Miles Goosens wrote: > >> Xander is overdue for a major karmic comeuppance > >Personally, I don't feel that way. This season Xander hasn't really done >anything bad. Last season he definitely hurt people, by leaving Anya at >the altar and by giving in to rage over Anya's and Buffy's flings with >Spike; but he apologized for the latter, and the former hurt Xander >himself as much as it did Anya (and frankly it didn't hurt either of them >as much as a doubtless unhappy marriage would have). Or perhaps you're >thinking of something that happened earlier, 'round about the end of >season 2.... I'm thinking of all that, and his continued grousing about/hatefulness toward/willingness to vote for staking Spike, and what I think is a continued willingness to sabotage any potential/current/past love interest for Buffy. There's a real malevolence there. More on all this later... >> (one of this season's >> best internal-consistency moments was when Xander let slip a little >> more about his role in Angel's death at the end of Season 2, > >Gah! I thought that was a terrible consistency *blunder*. In the >"Selfless" (the Anya's-life-story episode), Buffy mentioned Xander's >infamous lie at the end of season 2, when Xander failed to tell Buffy that >Willow was trying to restore Angel's soul. The way "Selfless" is written, >it seems that neither Buffy nor Willow has ever realized that Xander had >lied. This makes NO SENSE AT ALL! Buffy MUST have figured it out >sometime in following four and a half. After all, she knew that Willow >cast the spell to restore Angel's soul (she mentions it early in season >3). Obviously, then, Willow wouldn't have sent a message to Buffy telling >her to kick Angel's ass. Buffy'd have to be pretty dim not to spot the >inconsistency. Besides, are we really to believe that it never once came >up in conversation between Buffy and Willow in all the years since then? >I'll give the writers credit for *trying* to make a reference to season 2, >but IMHO they flubbed it badly. There's no way I'm as up on it to the point of calling out exact episode names (there are, apparently, limits to my geekery), but I thought that only Willow was in the dark about it rather than Buffy, who clearly did spot the perfidy as you mention. And yes, I'm willing to believe that Buffy never discussed it with Willow. Since I've taped over everything (hooray for DVDs, even if DVDs for Seasons 5-7 are still a ways away!), I can't go back to the Season 7 episodes in question to review. >(BTW, I am of the opinion that with or without Xander's lie, it would have >been impossible for Buffy to save Angel in "Becoming." Angel was already >starting the ritual and he pulled out the sword as soon as Buffy showed >up, after which point she had no choice but to kill him to save the world. >This would have happened whether Buffy showed up aiming to kill or just to >delay Angel. (And anyway, the sending Angel to hell bit was just so much >more Jossian.) So, while Xander's lie reflected badly on him, it didn't >make much practical difference to Buffy and Angel.) I can buy that in the "big picture," but I think Xander's lie makes a helluva difference in the character of his, um, character, and in his relationships with his friends. >> plus >> there's the whole unrequited Buffy-lust thing that essentially made >> him leave Anya at the altar and always has driven him), > >I strongly disagree with this. Xander's friendship with Buffy may still >have a buried lust element to it, okay; but it hasn't been the dominant >element since season 2 and hasn't even been an important element since >season 3. (Did Xander try to hook up with Buffy after Angel left and >before Anya came back? Nope. In fact, Xander left town for the whole >summer. He also did his clumsy best to help Buffy's relationship with >Riley work out in season 5.) And Xander left Anya at the altar because he >decided that he wasn't ready and the marriage wouldn't work out >(correctly, IMO), not because of anything to do with Buffy. I strongly disagree with *that.* The big thing in Xander's "vision" of the future, even if it was a maniuplated "vision," was the unrequited thing for Buffy -- *that* was what IMO convinced him that marrying Anya genuinely wouldn't work. He hasn't tried anything with Buffy at the junctures you mention because he very well knows that he doesn't have a shot with her, but his rage at being thwarted gets expressed constantly and consistently, even if it has to take sublimated forms. In fact, I was surprised that Giles didn't recruit Xander to help dispose of Spike; I think he would have been a willing accomplice. >Well, her accent did improve over time (or maybe she just had fewer >lines), and I certainly agree with you about her looks. Though with Faith >back and Buffy and Willow still around, I don't really need anyone else to >look at.... Every Joss show has been a cornucopia of females, IMO. Heck, even ANGEL's Lila, the one significant female character in a Whedon show that didn't do anything for me, started to get foxy in the latter stages of Season Three and until (and heck, one episode after) her unfortunate demise this season. Speaking of ANGEL, I think someone ought to bestow the Cynthia Stevenson Award for Hottest Really Skinny Chick on TV (Non-Bulemic) to Amy Acker. >I stand by my preference for Jewel Staite over Morena "Inara" Baccarin, >but I do like Morena too, and Gina "Zoe/Jasmine" Torres. But leaving >cute-chickness aside for a moment, another Firefly alum I'd like to see on >Buffy or Angel is Alan "Wash" Tudyk. Sure, and Summer Glau (I don't even like Pavement, yet I always think of her as "Summer Glau/Winter Babe") while we're at it. The only FIREFLY actor I initially didn't think was doing that good of a job was the doctor, Sean Maher, but I thought over the last three or four episodes, he really started to stretch his acting wings and embrace the role. >I must have missed something. Who is Jane the Timeline Chick? Gotta keep up with the Gnat posts, Chris. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 09:55:56 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Pens and other objects of nerdly desire Ken: >>That's why lefties are often experts on the fastest drying pens. My >>personal favorite is the Uni-Ball Vision Micro. It rocks. I go simple... Pilot Razor Points. Although yesterday I spied, for the first time in years, an Ultra Fine Flair on our accounts-payable person's desk. I picked it up and stared at it lovingly, and she let me have it. We had a brief nostalgic chat about how they used to be made of cream-colored plastic instead of today's stark white. But, oh yeah, I'm not left-handed. But I still hold pens wrong and get that inky-hand thing going on... I declare myself an honorary leftie. And an honorary glasses-wearer despite really good vision. These things just suit my personality better than what I ended up with. ___ Jeff D: >>Doesn't ST has a somewhat disproportionately male audience >>though? But they're almost mutually exclusive from thegroup of males from containing "wrestling fans", if I recall grade school properly. I'd demonstrate but smoe won't let me embed Ven Diagrams. Dammit. >>Granted it does lack the homoerotio-homophobic energy of >>the WWE. Yeah, you gotta go back to the original series for the real ambiguously gay sparks. TNG, though... didn't we all suspect that Geordi was always deactivating Data and hauling him into the Jeffries Tubes for some unscheduled diagnostics. Ummm... erotic? No, not really. But somewhat homo. __________ Miles: >>there's something sadly predictable about how Jewel Staite would be the >>FIREFLY babe o' choice among Fegfolk. I remember watching the first aired >>episode of the show and saying to Melissa "she's the Willow of this show - -- >>which means she's the one that guys on my mailing lists will be drooling over >>the most." I see whatcha mean, but I didn't expect to like her as much as I did. I mean, her name is Jewel-- strike one. Mostly I liked the character a great deal. Much more personality and earthiness than the typical "tech-chick" trope which has been slowly developing over the past decade or so. But I would like to test my nerd-chic chick drooling predictability-- who would be some other prime suspects on ensemble shows other than the ones you listed? I'd bet I'm about 50/50. Nerd-chic would be to eschew the woman obviously positioned as the "sexy" one, I assume. Could the other qualifications be quantified? Jes' curious (oranj), - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:56:24 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Armchair Robynalysis Jeme: >>The guy's clearly not comfortable with who he really is. He can be really >>great and creative and interesting as an artist, even when he wears his >>influences on his sleeve. But often I think he's just trying to BE Syd >>Barrett or Bob Dylan and rejects those things that are uniquely his. >>This is when he fails as an artist, entertainer, and person, in my >>opinion. It's ugly and sad. I think this is unnecessarily conflating a person's *artistic* concerns with their *personal* hangups. There are a number of reasons for artists to articulate behavior in their work which bears no resemblance to their own point of view. The obvious one is transference-- your characters get to do stuff you *want* to do but never would. But equally likely they're trying to work out behavior they see and find utterly befuddling in others. Someone who's recently been exposed to a great deal of my own songs pointed out that many of my narrators and characters seem to be "bastards". Not to delve too deeply into the details of the ensuing conversation (except to mention that I think I gravitate towards this device partially because of the kind of music on which I was raised), it gave me pause to look at that aspect of my own output. I found that these "bastard" characters, to a one, not only did not behave as I would or do in real life, they also didn't behave in any sublimated way I wanted to behave, so no, they weren't thinly veiled fantasy monsters from the id. Instead, they represented behavior and worldviews I've seen and been confused or repulsed by in others. And then, at some point, I've had a moment of brief identification or understanding of what was happening with these people, and that makes it a nut I have to crack, a character study that I'm compelled to undertake and try to work out. End result: a song, not a self-portrait. Pieces of me in there, but not a full-length mirror. I'm not saying that's what Robyn does, just that, from my own experience, there are plenty of reasons one could write "Sometimes I Wish I Was a Pretty Girl" without actually wishing it. In fact it's far more likely. If someone's uncomfortable in their own skin, talking about their own desires is not something which comes easily-- and if you don't want to be you and you want to say it, it seems like you'd try to do so in terms as "un-you-like" as possible. I understand that you're saying that Robyn does this sometimes by adopting the Syd/Dylan/Lennon character to the fullest and burying his own uniqueness. And there I just disagree. I bet a lot of Dylan and Lennon fans do, too, or else Robyn would have sold a lot more records to their fans, >>I also suspect that this is a cause for >>friction in his long-term collaborations and possibly the reason for some >>of the splits we've seen. It's always been fairly clear to me that he >>doesn't know what his best material is. On the last point, I'd say Robyn's filter with regards to his "best" material has been switched off, somewhat deliberately, for some time now (see the inability to release a stand-alone album), but I personally don't much mind. After too many years of hearing from too many labels, agents, friends and fans that some throwaway tune is gonna be the big hit that breaks you, or that the song that means the most to you is crap, or you'll never get over if you don't change your style, or don't you dare change your style and experiment or you'll lose it, I say you earn the right to just say screw it, here are the songs I came up with, you lot sort them out. Yes, I find it more rewarding when the songs fall into place within a cogent framework like the Soft Boys record. But if you don't think Robyn can divine which of his own material is his "best", who do advocate should choose it for him? Realistically, I mean. - -Rex "Sometimes I Wish I Was, I Dunno, Slightly More Coordinated" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 10:58:55 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Ermm... and, uhhh.. Um, the previous notwithstanding, I think James's original observation does point to an interesting recurrent theme in Robyn's work... I just don't think it's cause for alarm as to his psychological health. Cheers, Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:32:36 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: "Summertime" on 4/17/03 9:13 AM, Christopher Gross at chrisg@gwu.edu wrote: > I'm trying to help someone who's writing a short article about Janis > Joplin (and Big Brother and the Holding Co.) and her version of > "Summertime." Among other things, he wants to find out how many times > "Summertime" has been recorded, and how the number compares to other old > standards. Is there any definitive compilation of cover-version stats out > there? Or am I dreaming? Allmusic.com shows some 1750 albums that the song appears on. Most of the entries are credited to the Gershwins. Cdnow would have been a good resource as well, but alas... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:34:56 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Re: actual Robyn Hitchcock question shock horror. Jeme-- >>On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, James Dignan wrote: >> When I was a kid; When I was dead; Sometimes I wish I was a pretty girl; >> I wanna be an anglepoise lamp... I get the feeling Robyn is often very >> uncomfortabble with who he actually is. >And I'm insanely jealous of the people that aren't me. >The guy's clearly not comfortable with who he really is. He can be really >great and creative and interesting as an artist, even when he wears his >influences on his sleeve. But often I think he's just trying to BE Syd >Barrett or Bob Dylan and rejects those things that are uniquely his. >This is when he fails as an artist, entertainer, and person, in my >opinion. It's ugly and sad. I also suspect that this is a cause for >friction in his long-term collaborations and possibly the reason for some >of the splits we've seen. It's always been fairly clear to me that he >doesn't know what his best material is. I pretty much agree w/ this & think it's insightful, but I have a quibble that involves these quotes: "you finally find your helpless mind is trapped inside your skin" -- Roky Erikson "I've been saying let me out of here since before I was even born" -- Richard Hell This deals w/ what some mystics, & some people who take lots of acid, call "breaking down the ego." Getting rid of the ego, even w/ the attendant (supposedly temporary) confusion, is a major good thing for people who want to be one w/ the universe. This would be complicated for Robyn (at least at times, I think) when he is agnostic/atheistic. Some of this uncomfortableness could concievably come from the social complications, in the 1970s & even now, of being bi; and perhaps even more from his position between two social movements, that of the 1960s and that of punk. Sort of an extreme case of "The Anxiety of Influence." But being stylistically all over the map & full of discomfort makes him great for these times. Ross Taylor "everything you know is bong" Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:41:09 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: actual Robyn Hitchcock question shock horror. ross taylor wrote: > Some of this uncomfortableness could concievably come from the social > complications, in the > 1970s & even now, of being bi; Robyn is bi ?? =jbj= bipolar bifocal bicycle biproduct ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:44:33 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: actual Robyn Hitchcock question shock horror. on 4/17/03 11:34 AM, ross taylor at protay4@eudoramail.com wrote: > This deals w/ what some mystics, & some people who take lots of acid, call > "breaking down the ego." Getting rid of the ego, even w/ the attendant > (supposedly temporary) confusion, is a major good thing for people who want to > be one w/ the universe. This would be complicated for Robyn (at least at > times, I think) when he is agnostic/atheistic. > Is he agnostic or atheist? I always had the impression that he believed in some kind of heaven, afterlife, and supreme being. I don't remember him saying anything to the contrary. > > Some of this uncomfortableness could concievably come from the social > complications, in the 1970s & even now, of being bi; and perhaps even more > from his position between two social movements, that of the 1960s and that of > punk. Sort of an extreme case of "The Anxiety of Influence." > Buh...er...wah? I'll admit I'm not the most perceptive guy in the world, but I've been on this list since almost the first day, and only now am I learning that Robyn is an agnostic bisexual. Did I miss a meeting? Oh wait, are we talking about Jeme here? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 11:49:05 -0700 (PDT) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: actual Robyn Hitchcock question shock horror. > Is he agnostic or atheist? I always had the impression that he believed in > some kind of heaven, afterlife, and supreme being. I don't remember him > saying anything to the contrary. I've always thought that "Where Do You Go When You Die" was as literal a statement of Robyn's beliefs as he could possibly write. Then you're dust, =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:12:42 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: actual Robyn Hitchcock question shock horror. On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, ross taylor wrote: > This would be complicated for Robyn (at least at times, I think) when he > is agnostic/atheistic. would that be like a jewish/universalist? gSs > > Some of this uncomfortableness could concievably come from the social complications, in the > 1970s & even now, of being bi; and perhaps even more from his position between two social > movements, that of the 1960s and that of punk. Sort of an extreme case of "The Anxiety of > Influence." > > But being stylistically all over the map & full of discomfort makes him great for these times. > > Ross Taylor > "everything you know is bong" > > > > Need a new email address that people can remember > Check out the new EudoraMail at > http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2003 14:36:02 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: actual Robyn Hitchcock question shock horror. On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, John Barrington Jones wrote: > Then you're dust, didn't that god character say something similar? that reminds me of my favorite nursery rhyme. have you ever thought when a hearse goes by that you might be the next to die? they wrap you up in a big white sheet and throw you in a hole so deep. the worms crawl in the worms crawl out, they play pinochle on your snout. they eat your eyes they eat your nose, then they eat the gooey between your toes. your stomach turns a slimey green and the puss runs out like pure whipped cream. they mop it up with a piece of bread and that is what you eat when you are dead. - traditional gSs ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #145 ********************************