From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #143 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, April 16 2003 Volume 12 : Number 143 Today's Subjects: ----------------- re: The Left Hand of Dorkiness ["Brian Hoare" ] RE: Fwd: Hitchcock published [noam tchotchke ] re: The Left Hand of Dorkiness [gshell@metronet.com] ozzie & harriet & bears (was esoteric knowledge) ["ross taylor" ] Re: hand sinister (was dorkiness) [Ken Weingold ] kissin' right there on the CTA ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: kissin' right there on the CTA ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Y Kan't Island Spell? [Miles Goosens ] Re: The Ambiguously Gay Network [Miles Goosens ] Re: kissin' right there on the CTA [Miles Goosens ] Re: Seriously ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Seriously ["Maximilian Lang" ] Next week: Matchbox 20 as the Velvet Underground!!! ["Rex.Broome" Subject: re: The Left Hand of Dorkiness >From: "Rex.Broome" >Subject: The Left Hand of Dorkiness However, it's worth adding for archival purposes that if you have >one of those "right-handed Hendrix-style" Stratocasters with the >upside-down >headstock, damn are you lame. Can I be lame too? Of my two electrics, I prefer the right handed Tokai strat which has been restrung to be played left handed. Brian, _________________________________________________________________ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8, you can filter it out http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=32&DI=1059 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:12:08 -0400 From: noam tchotchke Subject: RE: Fwd: Hitchcock published one time at band camp, scott clark said: > > >CARVED IN ROCK (Short Stories By Musicians). Hitchcock's story is called > > >"Narcissus" and runs 137 pages. > >137 pages?? that's no short story, that's a novella, at least! :) for the record, it's 36 pages long, not 137. +w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:18:10 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: re: The Left Hand of Dorkiness > However, it's worth adding for archival purposes that if you have > one of those "right-handed Hendrix-style" Stratocasters with the > upside-down headstock, damn are you lame. all inverted head-stocks blow, but especially the charvel and kramer stabs. i can even painfully remember seeing left-handed guitars strung right-handed, but with the nut and bridge set correctly. whatever siphons yer fuel. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:52:33 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: ozzie & harriet & bears (was esoteric knowledge) tom-- >started wondering if there exist any "fly on the wall" recordings from the >fifties. i was imagining a tape recorder just dropped in a diner or >something, but the main idea is: "what did these people really talk like?" >presumably there exists a documentary or something that would supply a >feel for it. This sort of thing is very interesting to me. More & more, when watching historical movies, I have the problem of thinking "they didn't really talk like that." I bet no woman in the 19th century talked the way Michelle Pieffer did in "The Age of Innocence," & I bet no woman before the 1960s talked the way Diane Keaton has in various historical films. Re. the 1950s -- the original "Candid Camera" started in the early 50s. Some of that is set up, but I think some is real, & I think there are some videos. Otherwise, dive into documentaries. Lots of politicians being speaking off-the-cuff, maybe a bit more polished than the man in the street, but close. There was some great doc on PBS some years back about Grizzlies -- a couple of scientists who took their families (fairly large) to live in the wilds of the Northwest (maybe Alaska?) in the 50s to study bears. I wish I knew the name of it, it was really fun. Anyway some good candid film of the families at dinner, being beliveably ordinary, getting used to the camera sort of like "An American Family." Then for excitement, there's great candid bear stuff -- what it's like to be in a car under vigorous bear attack, etc. My favorite 50s movie is weird people acting weird & has no real dialog, but I think it's pretty true to life. "Pull My Daisy" has voice-over narration by Jack Kerouac, & shows Kerouac & his family plus Wm. Burroughs, Allen Ginsberg & other oddballs, & is by Robert Frank. The "acting" is entirely improvised, & I think you get a sense of what they were like (when young). Ginsberg does a dance impersonating a roach. Ross Taylor Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:12:02 -0400 From: "ross taylor" Subject: hand sinister (was dorkiness) Eb-- > And meanwhile, I'm practically the opposite: I write with my left > hand, but do all sports right-handed. But my writing posture is all > wrong...I write "backhanded," with my hand above the pencil point > and the pencil pointing back at me. I hold my pen in my left hand, w/ the point aimed pretty much at my left elbow. I can write in reverse w/ my right hand almost as fast as I write normally w/ my left. Ken-- >I am left-handed, but do almost everything else right-handed. Probably why I always sucked at sports. Me too. I think it's basically I'm left handed, but some things my teacher could only show me right handed. Actually for lots of sports stuff I'm ambidextrous, but bad on either side. My only half-decent sport was soccer & I tended to be left-footed. - --- I just saw my first on-the-street instance of one of those supposedly amazing "Thing" scooters. Pretty fast, as fast as a bike. The guy looked like a droid. Ross Taylor Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:19:51 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: hand sinister (was dorkiness) On Wed, Apr 16, 2003, ross taylor wrote: > Eb-- > > And meanwhile, I'm practically the opposite: I write with my left > > hand, but do all sports right-handed. But my writing posture is > > all wrong...I write "backhanded," with my hand above the pencil > > point and the pencil pointing back at me. > > I hold my pen in my left hand, w/ the point aimed pretty much at my > left elbow. I can write in reverse w/ my right hand almost as fast > as I write normally w/ my left. I explained why many lefties do this, but is it actually more common than not? I write "normally", as in the same position as a right-handed person, but with my left hand. Incidentally, a left-handed friend of mine told me that she can write really well backwards, I guess mimicking a right-handed person, pulling the pen instead of pushing it. > Ken-- > >I am left-handed, but do almost everything else right-handed. > Probably why I always sucked at sports. > > Me too. I think it's basically I'm left handed, but some things my teacher could only show me > right handed. Actually for lots of sports stuff I'm ambidextrous, but bad on either side. My > only half-decent sport was soccer & I tended to be left-footed. The only sport I actively participate in is auto racing, so good thing it's it's kind of universal, plus I use both hands and both feet. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:07:01 -0700 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: kissin' right there on the CTA > >He said that Jeff Mangum is in Canada making music for music therapy > >What exactly does *that* mean? Well, he's north of the US-Canadian border, and... I'm not really sure what music therapy is - my sister might know, I can ask her - but I think it might be used for treating children, maybe? Does anyone else know? >Yowsa. And how did you manage to extract kisses from Hart and the E6 Gnome? Our own Jason Thornton bet me a dollar to kiss Scott Spillane, and I was violently compelled to kiss W. Cullen due to his extreme cuteness. None of these were "freedom kisses," by the way - just pecks on the cheek. This happened a few years ago. "I've kissed Scott many times!" said Robert Schneider. I think he's just a kissy sort of guy. He said he'd kissed Andy Partridge, too. Huh. He must be very secure in his heterosexuality. :) So I'm thinking that the battered vinyl copy of "Lolita Nation" that I held in my hands and played on WCBN was actually a consensual hallucination caused by a reality-altering drug that had been put in the Vernors "ginger" ale (a vile Midwestern brew) which I frequently and inexplicably drank during my radio show. Who actually put the drug in the Vernors is a mystery, but I suspect my Midwestern compatriot who has two F's in his name. n. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:22:54 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: kissin' right there on the CTA Natalie Jane wrote: > > Vernors "ginger" ale (a vile Midwestern brew) Hey, steady on there. It's one of my favourites, and is only sporadically available here in Ontario. You do have to be very careful not to inhale when drinking it, else you'll cough. A lot. Which makes everyone else present laugh, then they forget not to inhale when they drink, and they cough. And then you laugh. And so it goes. Stewart (who has memories of hilarity [and coughing] playing crokinole and drinking Vernor's in rural western Ontario. Hey, it's something to do...) [but can you still get Reese's Pastel Eggs?] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:28:21 -0400 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: hand sinister (was dorkiness) ross taylor wrote: > > I just saw my first on-the-street instance of > one of those supposedly amazing "Thing" > scooters. Pretty fast, as fast as a bike. a Segway? Not as fast as my Brompton. Since a Segway is way heavier and considerable more expensive than a Brompton, it's not something I'm like to go for. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:28:29 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: kissin' right there on the CTA At 09:07 AM 4/16/2003 -0700, Natalie Jane wrote: >Our own Jason Thornton bet me a dollar to kiss Scott Spillane, and I was >violently compelled to kiss W. Cullen due to his extreme cuteness. None >of these were "freedom kisses," by the way - just pecks on the cheek. This >happened a few years ago. Damn! That reminds me, Natalie. I still owe you that dollar. Do you take PayPal? >"I've kissed Scott many times!" said Robert Schneider. I think he's just a >kissy sort of guy. He said he'd kissed Andy Partridge, too. Huh. He must >be very secure in his heterosexuality. :) Huh. When I saw the Apples last, Robert Schneider walked up to me and kinda punched me in the arm in a friendly way and thanked me for coming. It would have been very a "masculine," tough-guy act, had it not been for the huge grin on his face. I could tell he wanted to kiss me, though. I fairly secure in my heterosexuality, but I'd probably kiss Andy Partridge. I mean, what the hell, right? I let Rufus Wainwright autograph my hand once. That was probably much "gayer." - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:52:02 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: kissin' right there on the CTA At 09:28 AM 4/16/2003 -0700, Jason R. Thornton wrote: >It would have been very a "masculine," tough-guy act, had it not been for >the huge grin on his face. I could tell he wanted to kiss me, though. > >I fairly secure in my heterosexuality, but I'd probably kiss Andy >Partridge. I mean, what the hell, right? I let Rufus Wainwright >autograph my hand once. That was probably much "gayer." Damn it! Two major typos... somehow the "a" moved from before "very" to after it, and the first word in the 2nd quoted paragraph should have been "I'm." Need more caffeine. Excuse me please. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 10:45:15 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Y Kan't Island Spell? James: >>>"Shouting in a bucket blues" by Kevin Ayers. >>thought so... the CD sleeve to the June 1, 1974 album has it wrong. i think >>i prefer their altered title. My god, another mistitled track on an Island CD featururing Cale. Add that one to the super-cryptic "You Know Me More Than I Know" and... umm, there's another wrong song title on one of the original issues of Cale's Island records which escapes me, but it's wrong. Mind you, not as wrong as my albums by the 13th Floor Elevaters or Echo & the Bunymen, but still pretty wrong. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:01:24 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Y Kan't Island Spell? At 10:45 AM 4/16/2003 -0700, Rex.Broome wrote: >Mind you, not as wrong as my albums by the 13th Floor Elevaters or Echo & >the Bunymen, but still pretty wrong. My theory on how that that last one happened is that some poor non-alt-music-savvy assistant PR person ended up calling Ian McCulloch to finalize the details on the artwork: "And your band's name is what?" "Aiko 'n' duh Booneymun." later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:13:01 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: The Ambiguously Gay Network At 10:39 PM 4/15/2003 -0500, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: >I don't know why they didn't just change their name to "The Redneck Channel" >years ago. Strangely, it's far more "The Redneck Channel" now than when it was the Nashville Network. Which is strange because the first name switch was done to make the channel seem *less* country/rednecky. Basically there's no Nashville connection anymore: the Ambiguously Gay Company, Gaylord Entertainment, sold TNN to CBS, who then launched this whole National-instead-of-Nashville rebranding thing. I'll give 'em a break if they use Tom Petty's "Spike" as their theme song. Speaking of Albies, Andrew Bilgore, who played wimpy office gofer Albie on the first, best season of Bob Newhart's sadly shafted '90s sitcom BOB, is suddenly everywhere: bit guest parts on at least three sitcoms this year and at least three currently-airing commercials. The most notable commercial, I guess, is the one where he's "Smith" and buys a new silvery-but-affordable car that's supposedly so luxurious-looking that everyone assumes that he's been promoted, and by the time he gets from the parking garage to the office, the company's now "Smith Incorporated" and the CEO is vacating his office to make way for Smith. later, Miles, who's noticing that Eudora's spellecheck recognizes "gofer" as a legitimate word ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:19:21 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Behind the Music: The "Lolita Nation" Story At 09:31 AM 4/15/2003 -0700, Rex.Broome wrote: >panned left and my banjo album playing simultaneously panned right. The >time indexing is seemingly random but in fact based on the timing of the >imaginary "tracks" as seen on the fictitious album "artwork" (created long >before recording began) by M. Goosens. When I decided to list one track's timing as "-0:05," I had no idea that Scott McCaughey would get a band name idea from it. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:17:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: The Ambiguously Gay Network On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Miles Goosens wrote: > Miles, > who's noticing that Eudora's spellecheck > recognizes "gofer" as a legitimate word And apparently "spellecheck" as well - unless this is another character-rendering glitch, and what I typed as an "e" was a hyphen or something. But I'm anti-hyphen regarding compound nouns generally. - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::No man is an island. ::But if you take a bunch of dead guys and tie 'em together, ::they make a pretty good raft. __Max Cannon__ np: Sarah Shannon (I forget the title - don't have the packaging w/me) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 11:40:10 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: This one's for you, Ralph... James: "Making with the wallaby on a salt-fluid odyssey As the alabaster crumbles neath your spike Stiding through calamity, we are a loud family, Maybe even louder than you'd like!" Try *rapping* this over some phat-ass beats if you're having a shitty Wednesday (or Thursday as the case may be). Puts a lot of thing in perspective... >>You may be thinking of Lolita Nation's album "Game Theory". Kinda like Nick Lowe's "Bowi" or Green's album "R.E.M.", eh? Or the numerous albums called "Ride" that end up in the bins with actual Ride albums... Or, odder still: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=2:20:21|PM&sql=6Game|Theory ______ Jason Brown: >>Ralph Emery weeps tonight. And just when he was finally getting over the 20-bit reissue of those damn hippie Byrds and their desecration of old time country, "Sweetheart of the Rodeo"... _____ Eb: >>But my writing posture is all >>wrong...I write "backhanded," with my hand above the pencil point and >>the pencil pointing back at me. Hmmm. I do exactly the same thing, only right-handed. Possibly some stifled leftie tendencies. Funny thing is I have a lot of control, and I ain't half bad as a high-detail pen and ink illustrator... except that I get ink all over my own hand unless I use a rapidograph-type thingee or a Pilot Razor Point (which is indeed what I do). ______ Tom C: >>I remember hearing a show on NPR that was all about spoken word archives, >>but for the life of me I can't remember the name of the program. Lost & Found Sound (as mentioned)... It was fantastic. I only ever heard it in segments... ran all year in 2000 and listeners would send in their own finds. What's interesting is how when recordings first became possible, people wasted a lot more time recording their own voices than they would now. But they also kind of spoke like they were reading letters. (I can remember when I first got my answering machine, my parents would leave similar messages, ending them like letters-- "Love, Mom", etc., so this transition is still sort of ongoing-- note that most posts on this list are severely traditional and letter-like compared to the weird net-style ASCII-hash you see on most bulletin boards...) Anyhoo... - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:46:12 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: The Ambiguously Gay Network At 01:17 PM 4/16/2003 -0500, Jeffrey wrote: >On Wed, 16 Apr 2003, Miles Goosens wrote: > >> Miles, >> who's noticing that Eudora's spellecheck >> recognizes "gofer" as a legitimate word > >And apparently "spellecheck" as well - unless this is another >character-rendering glitch, and what I typed as an "e" was a hyphen or >something. I have noticed a random exclamation point being inserted into some of my posts that run through smoe.org, and since I've set all Eudora options to plain text, haven't fiddled with those options in ages, and know better than to attempt to run special characters (umlauts or tildes or such) past smoe.org's Demime, I'm stumped as to why it's appearing. Eudora didn't catch "spellecheck" because I left the 17th Century English plug-in active again. I guess I'm tired from the many hours I've been putting into the next "Loud Family" project, which will be a record whose titles will consist entirely of anagrams of lines from THE DUCHESS OF MALFI. Playing the role of "Donnette Thayer" this time will be Ian McCulloch's girlfriend from 1983. Sample song title: "Defalcator Tuff Math Thud Wahoo." later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 12:18:03 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: kissin' right there on the CTA >>NatalieJane: >>Yowsa. And how did you manage to extract kisses from Hart and the E6 Gnome? > >Our own Jason Thornton bet me a dollar to kiss Scott Spillane, and I >was violently compelled to kiss W. Cullen due to his extreme >cuteness. None of these were "freedom kisses," by the way I have never heard this term "freedom kisses," of which you speak. Amy C. is coming back to town on the 23rd -- I suppose that I should seek counsel from you on how to extract a wet one from her. As yet...unsuccessful. >"I've kissed Scott many times!" said Robert Schneider. If I hung out with Schneider today, I'd be curious to ask him about all the advertising royalties which the band is suddenly raking in. Perhaps he has earned far more money from Kohl's department store than he ever made from album sales and touring? Eb reap: Xander's depth perception ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:30:13 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: kissin' right there on the CTA At 12:18 PM 4/16/2003 -0700, Eb wrote: >reap: Xander's depth perception Not to mention at least two Slayerettes, including my pick for cutest (Molly). waiting to see if the entire FIREFLY cast makes it to BtVS/Angel by the season finales, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:30:04 -0500 From: "Sumiko Keay" Subject: Re: kissin' right there on the CTA BTW, Sean Maher (Simon) will be on c.s.i. Miami on April 28th. (Adam Baldwin has already done an episode of c.s.i. Miami.) Sumi >>> Miles Goosens 04/16/03 02:30PM >>> At 12:18 PM 4/16/2003 -0700, Eb wrote: >reap: Xander's depth perception Not to mention at least two Slayerettes, including my pick for cutest (Molly). waiting to see if the entire FIREFLY cast makes it to BtVS/Angel by the season finales, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 15:38:04 -0500 (CDT) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: Seriously On Fri, 11 Apr 2003, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > Completely irrelevant. Why should someone currently afraid of the > direction their home-society is taking want to move to a place where, > justified for the greater good or not, civilians are being killed (either > by internal or external forces) or the government is even MORE oppressive? i assume you understand this person's fears and can therefore make this decision for him? so are you saying the governments of the aforementioned countries are MORE oppressive than this person's home country, relying on this person having same the opinion for these countries as you and at the same time trying to argue in defense of a ridiculously opinionated conclusion regarding his nation's intent? that being, as you wrote: > Also, running to B, C or the D may not alleviate ones fears of A if A is > likely to invade B, C and D, massacring the populace in some grand > liberation scheme. that is completely out of balance when compared to the number of unjustifed deaths, injuries and incarcerations carried out by the Baath party. the point of your statement in fact regarding the invasion of iraq. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 16:38:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: kissin' right there on the CTA Eb: > >reap: Xander's depth perception Yeek! That one really had me squirming. Though in a way it was a relief, because an instant before that I thought Xander was going to *die*. (And maybe he still will -- it's always been possible for major characters to die on Buffy, and doubly so now that the show is about to end -- but if anyone already knows, don't tell me! I've been strenuously avoiding all discussion of the remaining episodes of Buffy, to avoid spoilers of upcoming deaths and other surprise plot twists. Someone spoiled a major shocking development for me last season, and I'm still bitter.) Miles: > Not to mention at least two Slayerettes, including my pick for cutest (Molly). Molly *looked* cute, but her fake Cockney accent really turned me off. If I've really been attracted to any of the pseudo-teenage girls on BtVS this season, they were Kit from the season premiere and Cassie, the girl who had a premonition of her own death. > waiting to see if the entire > FIREFLY cast makes it to > BtVS/Angel by the season > finales, Jewel Staite! Oh, please, Jewel Staite! - --BBG Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:59:08 -0700 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Seriously At 03:38 PM 4/16/2003 -0500, gss wrote: >i assume you understand this person's fears and can therefore make this >decision for him? so are you saying the governments of the aforementioned >countries are MORE oppressive than this person's home country, relying on >this person having same the opinion for these countries as you and at the >same time trying to argue in defense of a ridiculously opinionated >conclusion regarding his nation's intent? Oh dear. Were you not the one assuming to understand this person's fears when you suggested he move to another country? In fact, you assumed to know what country this person might be more comfortable in. To quote, you told them to "leach yourself to a society in which you are more comfortable, like iran, the ukraine or syria." My counter was, in fact, suggesting that you couldn't assume to know everything this person was afraid of, and that moving MIGHT not be a healthy option because this person COULD BE even more afraid of these other governments. I in no way presumed to know how this person truly feels about his home country - I offered a possible opinion to show why your assumptions were potentially invalid. And I wasn't even necessarily drawing a conclusion about this person's home nation. I was merely saying that if this person is afraid of his home country, running to another country might not get him away from the active reach of that nation, which may well extend beyond its borders. But, of course, I did this in a wonderfully colorful and entertaining way that expresses a few of my own political leanings. >that is completely out of balance when compared to the number of >unjustifed deaths, injuries and incarcerations carried out by the Baath >party. the point of your statement in fact regarding the invasion of iraq. The name of the game is not to kill a few less people than the other guy, it's to avoid the killing at all. Either way, one or a million, if unnecessary and unwarranted, it's wrong. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:11:19 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Seriously >From: "Jason R. Thornton" >Reply-To: "Jason R. Thornton" >Subject: Re: Seriously >Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 13:59:08 -0700 >At 03:38 PM 4/16/2003 -0500, gss wrote: > >>i assume you understand this person's fears and can therefore make this >>decision for him? so are you saying the governments of the aforementioned >>countries are MORE oppressive than this person's home country, relying on >>this person having same the opinion for these countries as you and at the >>same time trying to argue in defense of a ridiculously opinionated >>conclusion regarding his nation's intent? > >Oh dear. Were you not the one assuming to understand this person's fears >when you suggested he move to another country? > >In fact, you assumed to know what country this person might be more >comfortable in. To quote, you told them to "leach yourself to a society in >which you are more comfortable, like iran, the ukraine or syria." It was me, I made the commment about my fears concerning one's right of free speech. I have no idea what the hell my fearing the blacklisting of artists has to do with Iran, I guess I should consider the source. I would think that is where the blacklisting creeps would be more comfortable, in a restrictive society. Happy Holidays, Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:30:06 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Next week: Matchbox 20 as the Velvet Underground!!! Well, all you fans of the TV series "American Dream"... (sound effects: crickets chirping) ...wil be happy to know that alt-rock titans Third Eye Blind have been booked to appear on the show, portraying the Kinks! (sound effects: crickets wretching) - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 17:30:36 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Next week: Matchbox 20 as the Velvet Underground!!! >From: "Rex.Broome" >To: "'fegmaniax@smoe.org'" >Subject: Next week: Matchbox 20 as the Velvet Underground!!! >Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 14:30:06 -0700 > >Well, all you fans of the TV series "American Dream"... My wife put's that on every sunday adn claims she isn't watching it. It is as fun as a cold rainy day...without shelter. Maybe she watches because it takes place in Philly, she doesn't watch Hack though. Hack is actually filmed in Philly and is pretty good, go figure. Max _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #143 ********************************