From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #142 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, April 16 2003 Volume 12 : Number 142 Today's Subjects: ----------------- keepers of esoteric knowledge (0% robyn, but hey, isn't most of it?) [Tho] Re: Game Theory ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Brooze, Blooze, but no Shooze (Carpenters content 0%) [grutness@surf4nix.] Behind the Music: The "Lolita Nation" Story ["Rex.Broome" ] The Ambiguously Gay Network [Eb ] RE: The Ambiguously Gay Network ["Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" ] The Left Hand of Dorkiness ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: The Left Hand of Dorkiness [Eb ] Re: The Left Hand of Dorkiness [Ken Weingold ] RE: The Left Hand of Dorkiness ["Michael Wells" ] carved in rock [noam tchotchke ] Re: Behind the Music: The "Lolita Nation" Story [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffre] Re: The Left Hand of Dorkiness ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: The Ambiguously Gay Network [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: keepers of esoteric knowledge (0% robyn, but hey, isn't most of it?) hi all, had a conversation amongst friends, regarding the stilted way that people from the fifties (and the u.s.a) are often portrayed as speaking, and we started wondering if there exist any "fly on the wall" recordings from the fifties. i was imagining a tape recorder just dropped in a diner or something, but the main idea is: "what did these people really talk like?" presumably there exists a documentary or something that would supply a feel for it. then i thought, "well how would i find that?" and, seeing as how i see so many interesting things discussed here, and i know there are a bunch of people interested in linguistics, i thought it would be worth asking. any thoughts? tom np: beta band, the three eps (the viral meme planted by _high fidelity_ having taken a few years to inspire the purchase. . .) **************************** *Tom Rodebaugh, M.A. * *Graduate Student, UNC-CH * *on internship at: * *Temple University Hospital* *tlr3@email.unc.edu * **************************** "The past isn't dead. It isn't even past." --William Faulkner ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 07:00:32 -0700 (PDT) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Game Theory > From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey > > Quoting Maximilian Lang : > > > Does anyone have Game Theory's Lolita Nation? > > Ha! You fell for it! It's a well known fact that _Lolita Nation_ is an > entirely mythical recording, Yep. And the $56 I sold the _Lolita Nation_ CD for last month are all mythical, too. Game Theory people are funny. But hey, I did rip the CD before I sold it, so I can sell (er, make) copies of it for people. . The New Yahoo! Search - Faster. Easier. Bingo http://search.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 02:18:53 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Brooze, Blooze, but no Shooze (Carpenters content 0%) >>"Yamanashi blues" (this being a weird amalgam of 12-bar and trad >Japanese >>styles) > >Who's this by? One of my favourite artists at the mo' is The Fujii. >Essentially a Japanese guitarist who plays a National Steel like >Mississippi Fred McDowell (with Jap folk touches) and sings in Japanese. >It sounds beautiful. He's backed by various members of the London improv >scene. Weird and wonderful. Their latest album is called 'We Pray The >Brooze' (geddit?!?) RFSQ - that is, the Robert Fripp String Quintet, i.e., laughing Bobby, Trey Gunn, and three members of the crafty guitarists schools. It's on the album "The bridge between". Don't be put off by the somewhat austere reputation of music from the Fripp schools, this is one weird little piece of blues, too. Hardly delta slide, but very intriguing. As Jason pointed out, The California Guitar Trio have also recorded it. >> "Standing in a bucket blues" (Standing? Shouting? the CD label looks >>confused) > >"Shouting in a bucket blues" by Kevin Ayers. thought so... the CD sleeve to the June 1, 1974 album has it wrong. i think i prefer their altered title. >> Does anyone have Game Theory's Lolita Nation? > >Ha! You fell for it! It's a well known fact that _Lolita Nation_ is an >entirely mythical recording, a music geek's collection of in-jokes grown out >of hand. I mean, c'mon - who's *really* going to title a "song" "Watch Who >You're Calling Space Garbage, Meteor Mouth" - or worse yet, the song title >that begins with "All Clockwork and No Bodily Fluids Makes Hal a Dull Metal >Humbert" and ends about 200 seemingly random characters later? You may be thinking of Lolita Nation's album "Game Theory". One of Sheffield's finest thrash metal/salsa crossover bands, Lolita Nation released their debut album "Game Theory" to critical acclaim and public apathy in the heady summer of 1975. Although the first single off the album "Black Friday in Guanatanamera" did make a ripple in the charts, with its catchy rhytms, breathtaking wurlitzer solo and strident power-laden chords, listeners found it hard to come to grips with such lyrics as the song's chorus: "Making with the wallaby on a salt-fluid odyssey As the alabaster crumbles neath your spike Stiding through calamity, we are a loud family, Maybe even louder than you'd like!" The follow-up single ("We're Havana Party") failed to enter the charts, and the band went into a period of internal ructions, with both the bass players leaving, along with the marimba player. It was three years until the band's second album "Fidel/Infidel" was released to a more receptive public, and, after sales which took it to triple platinum status, sealed the band's place in the pantheon of stupid bands with bad hair and screeching voices. James (web pic no longer wid da 404) James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 09:31:24 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Behind the Music: The "Lolita Nation" Story JeffFF: >>What your wife probably heard was a bootleg recording put together by one >>E. Broome entirely on his keyboard (wait, no - it was R. Broome on his banjo), >>just to see if anyone would fall for the joke. The definitive "Lolita Nation (sic)" actually has Eb's whole keyboard record panned left and my banjo album playing simultaneously panned right. The time indexing is seemingly random but in fact based on the timing of the imaginary "tracks" as seen on the fictitious album "artwork" (created long before recording began) by M. Goosens. The only part of the legend that is true is the fact that Donette Thayer sings on a few tracks. And it rawks. Also, Klaatu was the Beatles. (Barada is Tupac.) - -Rex "Space Garbage" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:50:11 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Nina Simone Island I just got done looking at the extant lists of celeb picks for "Desert Island Discs" on the website for BBC Radio's program(me) of the same name , and all indications are that the biggest musical artist ever must have been Nina Simone. She's on a remarkable number of these lists. Granted, I didn't live through the early '60s, a lot of the celebs they have the show tend to be people in their 50s and 60s and are often famous for other things than music, and my interest in jazz is minuscule, but when the heck did Nina Simone get to be this ubiquitous? I would have thought that Coltrane, Miles Davis, or even Duke Ellington would lead the way for the jazz-inclined. I'm suspecting she might have been the thing that trendy white liberal sophisticates put in their collections in the '60s to demonstrate that they were trendy, liberal, sophisticated, and not racist, but I don't know the history, really. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:42:31 -0700 From: Eb Subject: The Ambiguously Gay Network Rebrands Itself Spike TV TNN: The National Network will become Spike TV on June 16 and will be repositioned as the first network targeting men. "Today the first network for men has a name, and it's Spike TV," said Albie Hecht, president of TNN. "Spike TV captures the attributes and essence of what we want the first network for men to be. It's unapologetically male; it's active; it's smart and contemporary with a personality that's aggressive and irreverent. This is a first major step in our journey to super-serving men in a way no one has done before." The network's new logo will be unveiled at the MTV Networks upfront presentation in New York City on Tuesday, May 6. During a conference call, Hecht announced the network's first slate of male-skewing programming, which includes partnerships with Men's Health magazine and CBS MarketWatch. The re-naming of the channel will be supported by a multi-million dollar awareness campaign that will include on-air, outdoor and print advertising. Spike TV will be available in 86 million homes. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 12:48:21 -0700 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: The Ambiguously Gay Network Ralph Emery weeps tonight. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:08:59 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: The Ambiguously Gay Network on 4/15/03 12:42 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > Rebrands Itself Spike TV > > TNN: The National Network will become Spike TV on June 16 and will be > repositioned as the first network targeting men. > > "Today the first network for men has a name, and it's Spike TV," said > Albie Hecht, president of TNN. "Spike TV captures the attributes and > essence of what we want the first network for men to be. It's > unapologetically male; it's active; it's smart and contemporary with a > personality that's aggressive and irreverent. This is a first major > step in our journey to super-serving men in a way no one has done > before." > Howard Stern said last week that his new animated series, "Howard Stern: The High School Years", will be on TNN. Sounds like a perfect match. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:20:21 -0700 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The Left Hand of Dorkiness Eb: >>My dad loooooved golf, and played it for years. He was right-handed >>in general but, for whatever reason, he played golf left-handed. I'm starting to think that the spectrum of "handedness" is a lot wider and more diverse than most people realize. My older daughter is seeming way ambidextrous, but I don't know how early that kind of thing develops. Interestingly she tends to play her ukulele *usually* right-handed, facing me while I play guitar ("dakar", as she calls it)... I would've guessed she'd tend to go left-handed in that situation, to mirror me, but that only happens occasionally. I'm really interested in which way she'll go. My wife is left-handed and I am right-handed, but I have the more left-handed-seeming personality (admittedly only by a hair). Meanwhile, her brothers also have the stereotype backwards: the leftie is the suburbanite doctor, and the right-handed one is the way-artsy Cajun fiddler. It always seems to me that stringed instruments are designed backwards, anyhow (as you'd think you'd want to do the more complex task of fingering with your more dextrous hand), but I think we've been through all that before... However, it's worth adding for archival purposes that if you have one of those "right-handed Hendrix-style" Stratocasters with the upside-down headstock, damn are you lame. - -Rex, whose mutant Tele has an unusually large, right-side-up Strat-style headstock, if you know what I mean... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 13:19:35 -0700 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Left Hand of Dorkiness >Eb: >>>My dad loooooved golf, and played it for years. He was right-handed >>>in general but, for whatever reason, he played golf left-handed. > >I'm starting to think that the spectrum of "handedness" is a lot wider and >more diverse than most people realize And meanwhile, I'm practically the opposite: I write with my left hand, but do all sports right-handed. But my writing posture is all wrong...I write "backhanded," with my hand above the pencil point and the pencil pointing back at me. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:27:08 -0400 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: The Left Hand of Dorkiness On Tue, Apr 15, 2003, Eb wrote: > >I'm starting to think that the spectrum of "handedness" is a lot > >wider and more diverse than most people realize > > And meanwhile, I'm practically the opposite: I write with my left > hand, but do all sports right-handed. But my writing posture is all > wrong...I write "backhanded," with my hand above the pencil point > and the pencil pointing back at me. That is really common among left-handed people. You are writing like a right-handed person writes: pulling the pen instead of pushing it. I am left-handed, but do almost everything else right-handed. Probably why I always sucked at sports. Only things I do left-handed are write, eat, and play pool. There is one more thing but I always forget it until I'm doing it. And no, it's not THAT. Only thing I can do equally as well with both hands is using chopsticks. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:42:09 -0500 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: RE: The Left Hand of Dorkiness Rex: > It always seems to me that stringed instruments are designed backwards, > anyhow (as you'd think you'd want to do the more complex task of fingering > with your more dextrous hand), but I think we've been through all that > before... Really? I'd always thought that it made sense; the right hand being the base of rhythm and picking requiring the type of logical, sequential processing found in the left brain. Or at least somebody's left brain, but not mine :) My only current neck modification are jumbo frets, though they do get in the way of shaving. Michael "you put your midbrain in, you take your midbrain out" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 15:59:37 -0500 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Game Theory At 07:00 AM 4/15/2003 -0700, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: >> From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey >> >> Quoting Maximilian Lang : >> >> > Does anyone have Game Theory's Lolita Nation? >> >> Ha! You fell for it! It's a well known fact that _Lolita Nation_ is an >> entirely mythical recording, > >Yep. And the $56 I sold the _Lolita Nation_ CD for last month are all >mythical, too. > >Game Theory people are funny. No, to us Game Theory people, people who would sell their copy of LOLITA NATION are funny -- but we're sure grateful that you exist! :-) later, Miles, who got made fun of for paying $50 (when the kind person who offered it probably would have probably taken $20) for his replacement LN in '95, but wanted to pass on the karma points ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:39:13 -0400 From: noam tchotchke Subject: carved in rock a copy of _carved in rock_, which includes robyn's "narcissus", arrived in the mail yesterday from amazon. haven't had a chance to read the story yet though. just wanted to mention that it's definitely out there. woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:13:48 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Behind the Music: The "Lolita Nation" Story Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > The definitive "Lolita Nation (sic)" actually has Eb's whole keyboard > record > panned left and my banjo album playing simultaneously panned right. The > time indexing is seemingly random but in fact based on the timing of the > imaginary "tracks" as seen on the fictitious album "artwork" (created > long > before recording began) by M. Goosens. The only part of the legend that > is > true is the fact that Donette Thayer sings on a few tracks. And it > rawks. This is the infamous "nude mix," made at a time when bassist Gui Gassuan persuaded the rest of the band to record sans clothing. Consequently, some chords are impossible to play with conventional fingering. Okay, I'm lying again. This is the truth: Everything you know is wrong! The true story is related below - now it can be told! Okay, everyone here's probably heard of the theory that _Dark Side of the Moon_ is actually an alternative soundtrack to _The Wizard of Oz_ (Scott Miller even alludes to this in some _Days for Days_ lyrics). But I've unearthed *far* more persuasive evidence (and those of us who've actually watched TWoO w/DSotM playing know just how *very* persuasive such an experience is) that _Lolita Nation_ was clearly intended as an alternative soundtrack for the Bette Davis/Joan Crawford film _What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?_. The most obvious proof is, of course, the fact that if you sync up the very beginning of LN to the initial appearance of the title card of WEHtBJ that reads "1917," the TITLE PHRASE of LN (from "We Love You, Carol and Alison") is sung just when the TITLE of the film appears on the screen. Want more? 1. several cuts in LN's opening sound collage "Kenneth - What's the Frequency?" correspond to cuts in the film: the first appearance of the little girl corresponds to the first guitar chord, the clown in the film is sync'd w/the next image, and the bells on the recording sync up w/a horse-drawn truck in the film. 2. Baby Jane dances in time with the music of "Not Because You Can." She begins to sing just at the song's guitar break. At the words "a show of hands," Baby Jane raises her hands to toss a paper into the air. The song ends just as Baby Jane's dance numbers end. (And of course, the line "eyes of green" in "Not Because You Can" signifies the film's theme of jealousy.) 3. The creepy doll's initial appearance corresponds with "Shard" ("close out sound and sight." 4. As Scott sings "dripping with looks," the young Blanche gives a dirty look. 5. The line "private heaven" is sung while two characters in the film attend a private screening of a film! 6. At one point during "Exactly What We Don't Want to Hear," there are two backing vocalists and one lead singer - the film shows two men in a theater, and one man in the projectionist's booth! 7. Shortly after the line "well-trained ears," a chorus girl passes by with huge, ear-like feathers atop her head! 8. Shortly after the line "the sugar was dazzling" ("We Love You Carol and Alison"), another chorus girl walks past the characters - in a dazzling, sparkly outfit! 9. Just as Donnette Thayer sings "take a seat in our dream car" in the backing vocals, Blanche's white car appears (a contrast to the line of black cars that precedes it)!! 10. Right when the man on the right of the screen smiles, the line "with the smile" is sung!! 11. Just as Scott sings about "the shoulder upstairs," the credits - indicating those folks "upstairs" who actually control things, like the studio, director, etc. - begin!! 12. Both titles occur simultaneously!!! 13. The film comes to the present moment ("YESTERDAY" caption) just as the first line of "The Waist and the Knees" ("Cozify with the lip-tied mind")is sung!!! The relation of the line to that caption is so self-evident I will leave it unremarked upon!!! 14. As Scott sings about a "fantasy dreamed of," two characters on a TV screen kiss!!! 15. Gil Ray's big drum hit (just before the silence) coordinates with the cut away from the TV screen!!! 16. There's a shot of trees in the background as Scott sings about "rings of smoke through the trees"!!! 17. There's a painting of a big-eyed child holding a CAT in the background - - just as the band makes weird CAT-LIKE noises during the breaks in "The Waist and the Knees"!!!! 18. As Scott sings "no place you can go," the TV in the movie shows a shot of a man confined to a bed!!!! 19. Cut to an exterior shot...just as Scott sings "on the outs" ("Nothing New")!!!! 20. Scott sings "you can't walk" - and the film shows a shot of Joan Crawford in a wheelchair!!!!! 21. Joan Crawford picks up a phone - Scott sings "I'm going to phone you" ("The Real Sheila")!!!!! 22. As Crawford closes a door - wait! Donnette sings "it was an open door" (irony!!!!!!) But then...she sings "windows opened" - and Crawford's at an open (but barred) window!!!!!! Plus - there are shots of a garden - and all this is during..."Mammoth Gardens"!!!!!!! Whew. (I used up all the exclamation marks in my computer.) Of course there are more - you have to start the CD over again, but I'll leave all the other clues to others. Further, no one has ever bothered to explain *why _The Wizard of Oz_ with _Dark Side of the Moon_*? But the reason Scott chose _What Ever Happened to Baby Jane?_ as the template for LN is so obvious, it hardly needs explaining - but in case anyone missed it, here goes: A simple manipulation of obvious numerological cues (rather like that used by the authors of _The Bible Code_) makes clear why this film, with this album. First, the movie was released in 1962. Disregarding the century year, that gives us "62" - and 6 + 2 = 8. _Lolita Nation_ was released in 1987. Again disregarding the century, that gives us "87" - 8 + 7 = 15, and 1 + 5 = 6. Now 8 - 6 = 2 - and recalling that Scott was 27 in 1987, 27 - 2 = 25. Recall that the bulk of the film is set in "Yesterday" - that is, 1962. 1987 - 1962 gives us 25 again. Plus, subtracting Scott's age at the time of LN from the current day of the film (1962 - 27) gives us 1935: the year of the car "accident" in the movie. There's more, of course: the opening scene is set in 1917. Note that 1 + 7 = 8, 3 + 5 = 8 (1935), and 6 + 2 = 8. (I really wish I had some more exclamation marks here.) And what is 8 x 3? That's right: 24 - a Scott Miller song! (I found one hiding underneath the keyboard.) Everything in this post is true - try it for yourself! > Also, Klaatu was the Beatles. (Barada is Tupac.) All rappers are space aliens. All space aliens are Canadians. All Canadians are the Beatles (except Alanis Morissette, Bryan Adams, and Anne Murray). Ipso dixit wuxus fuxit. ..Jeff, a real square little fella but not from around here J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 23:10:45 -0400 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: The Left Hand of Dorkiness >From: Ken Weingold >Subject: Re: The Left Hand of Dorkiness >Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 16:27:08 -0400 >I am left-handed, but do almost everything else right-handed. >Probably why I always sucked at sports. Only things I do left-handed >are write, eat, and play pool. There is one more thing but I always >forget it until I'm doing it. And no, it's not THAT. Only thing I >can do equally as well with both hands is using chopsticks. The only thing I do left handed is play hockey, I am a left handed shot. This probably explains why I sucked at golf, I played it right handed. Max _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 22:39:23 -0500 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: The Ambiguously Gay Network Alas, it's not April 1... Quoting Eb : > Rebrands Itself Spike TV Yes, tres manly...yeeesh. > "Today the first network for men has a name, and it's Spike TV," said > Albie Hecht, president of TNN. "Spike TV captures the attributes and > essence of what we want the first network for men to be. It's > unapologetically male; it's active; it's smart and contemporary with a > personality that's aggressive and irreverent. This is a first major > step in our journey to super-serving men in a way no one has done > before." Okay, first of all: "Albie"? C'mon - no one who's "unapologetically male" is named "Albie"! Second: what if we don't *want* to be "super-served"? I don't know why they didn't just change their name to "The Redneck Channel" years ago. And I'm curious: when they changed from The Nashville Channel to The National Network (or whatever it stands for), did they instruct the announcers to slur the second word so as it might sound like "Nashville" and no one would know the difference? > During a conference call, Hecht announced the network's first slate of > male-skewing programming, which includes partnerships with Men's > Health magazine and CBS MarketWatch. Y'know, I used to wonder how entire magazines (several) could subsist on such a limited market as brides-to-be. That was before the appearance of Men's Health, which I believe has three articles: How to Get Washboard Abs, How to Stay Hard Longer, and How to Keep Your Hair. I love my hard, hairy abs! Or should I say "albies"? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 20:53:12 -0700 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: keepers of esoteric knowledge (0% robyn, but hey, isn't most of it?) on 4/15/03 6:01 AM, Thomas Rodebaugh at tlr3@email.unc.edu wrote: > hi all, > > had a conversation amongst friends, regarding the stilted way that people > from the fifties (and the u.s.a) are often portrayed as speaking, and we > started wondering if there exist any "fly on the wall" recordings from the > fifties. > > then i thought, "well how would i find that?" I remember hearing a show on NPR that was all about spoken word archives, but for the life of me I can't remember the name of the program. Perhaps the Smithsonian would have something like that? I have a friend who collects wax cylinders and other early recordings and digitally records and enhances them, but he recently moved to Paris. Oh, and didn't Steve Allen do a bunch of "man in the street" interviews in the 50's? - -tc, full of random thoughts... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 00:11:26 -0400 From: noam tchotchke Subject: Re: keepers of esoteric knowledge (0% robyn, but hey, isn't most of it?) one time at band camp, Tom Clark said: >on 4/15/03 6:01 AM, Thomas Rodebaugh at tlr3@email.unc.edu wrote: > > had a conversation amongst friends, regarding the stilted way that people > > from the fifties (and the u.s.a) are often portrayed as speaking, and we > > started wondering if there exist any "fly on the wall" recordings from the > > fifties. > >I remember hearing a show on NPR that was all about spoken word archives, >but for the life of me I can't remember the name of the program. lost and found sound . +w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 09:08:37 -0400 From: mary Subject: Re: keepers of esoteric knowledge (0% robyn, but hey, isn't most of it?) At 09:01 AM 4/15/2003 -0400, Thomas Rodebaugh wrote: >fifties. i was imagining a tape recorder just dropped in a diner or >something, but the main idea is: "what did these people really talk like?" >presumably there exists a documentary or something that would supply a >feel for it. The Internet Archive is a good source for advertising, industrial, educational and amateur films. The site has films from 1927 - 1983. < http://www.archive.org/movies/prelinger.php > And if any of you are web designers/developers, check out the "WayBackMachine" (under Web) to view previous versions of websites. I've checked out a bunch of sites that I built oh so long ago - always good for a laugh. This has nothing to do with the topic but I thought I'd send along the link anyway. < http://www.aprilwinchell.com/multimedia/ > This site has a great collection of recordings - quite a few gems. Enjoy! s.Mary np - Stephen Malkmus - Pig Lib -- Thanks Mr Q ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #142 ********************************