From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #130 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, April 5 2003 Volume 12 : Number 130 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: SSSQQQUUUOOOGGG!!! ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Mixed-up attributions [Barbara Soutar ] Ask for Dean ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Ask for Hitch [Tom Clark ] Re: Mixed-up attributions ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: best ofs [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Iggy and the squid [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Constant albums [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Take me home....country roads [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] The Radiohead ablum [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: The Radiohead ablum [Mike Swedene ] Some Local H song [Jeff Dwarf ] Acnalbasac Noom [Eric Loehr ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 12:43:43 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: SSSQQQUUUOOOGGG!!! > From: "Jason R. Thornton" > Subject: Re: SSSQQQQUUUUIIIID > > Like a frog? Maybe it's just a squid-shaped frog with interspecies sexual > tendencies. > > That's my theory, anyway. My theory is that this creature is, in fact, the dreaded SQUOG. ALL FEAR THE SQUOG! Sigh. Guess I've been reading too many Diesel Sweeties lately. . Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 16:01:25 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: dagnabbit dignan In a message dated 4/4/03 12:25:01 PM Pacific Standard Time, owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: << on that on those times when my band sang Great Dominions and Head Hang Low. >> OH MY GAWWWWWWWWDDDDDDDD.... you performed the Great Dominions???? POSSIBLY THE GREATEST SONG OF ALL TIME????? I am soooo jealous!!!!!! Not fair!!! I wish I wish I wish.... I've dreamed of doing that one live... Hell, as the singer, I carried very little authority and could never get a cover done that I wanted to do... And head hang low.. Wow, another one of my favorite Cope songs... ' Well James, I remain jealous... Who knew that we could have so much in common, and so little in common at the same time??? Your friendly neighborhood Blatzy ------------------------------ Date: 4 Apr 2003 13:04:28 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: constant albums >From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." >Subject: Constant albums > >* Slapp Happy's "Casablanca Moon" -- so easy, yet unusual, it's tart and sweet >like an exotic asian fruit. YES! Do you have both "versions" - Casablanca Moon and Acnalbasac Noom? I got the latter first, and the former later, and even though there are performances of *most* of the same songs on both, the bonus material is totally different and the vast differences in some of the main songs would be worthwhile in and of themselves. The middle eight in "The Drum" for example, is totally different. Either version, I'm with you - I just can't get tired of this music. >* Fibonacci's "Civilization and Its Discotheques" -- ironic, new wavey, clever, >with a geek's sense of humor. Anyone who writes a song from the viewpoint of >Leroy from "The Bad Seed" is alright with me. > I have a CD-R transfer from a friend's vinyl of this - listened to it a couple times, and then got caught up in something else. I'll have to pull it out again, 'cos my friend raves and drools over the Fibonaccis, and what I heard apparently didn't leave enough of an impression on me. A few of my own in this category: The Rheostatics - Whale Music. About which I've probably raved enough on this list, so I won't say anything more. Mike Keneally - Nonkertompf. Ditto Bob Mould - Workbook. Yeah, I know - Husker Du floats my boat just fine, but for some reason, this album is etched upon my mind as an ideal "driving" album. Fred Frith - Speechless. Amy Denio - Birthing Chair Blues. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:10:20 -0800 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Re: Mixed-up attributions "Now wait a minute: Iggy wrote the song and performed it, and then Bowie covered it. If the version in question is Iggy's performance, it should be labeled by Iggy. If it's Bowie's performance, it should be labeled as such. ..Jeff" Hey, it's all kosher. I just put in a note on the Bowie version saying "Iggy Pop cover" and changed the labelling on the Iggy Pop version from "80's rock" to another label. I mean his version came out in the late 70's, so that's just wrong! I see that Jason Thornton says that they co-wrote the song... sounds valid. My goal is to get it RIGHT. Really find misattributions a pain, especially when the date is wrong by 10-20 years. I believe that I have some sort of librarian-type obsession with getting these music labels right. Spent some time as a library clerk in the 80's... labelling things... Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 13:25:01 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Ask for Dean Barbara: >>Yes, my latest complaint is the mixing up of John Cale and J.J. Cale. >>Both very good but *not actually the same person*. That one's just a digital variation on a tried-and-true record-store-stocking error. I always look under both names for the records by the Cale I'm looking for (John), just in case. As a result I've seen the cover artwork to every JJ Cale record hundreds of times, but as far as I know the only time I've ever heard his music is in the form of Clapton covers. ______ James: >>Seems that - at that time, at least - my voice >>was remarkably similar to Copey's. I later "cashed in" (huh? what cash?) on >>that on those times when my band sang Great Dominions and Head Hang >>Low. Hmmm. The very day I wrote the post about my vocal impersonations, I later recorded a scratch vocal in what I thought was my normal voice, only to listen back to it and find out that I was doing a Dean Wareham impersonation. And a damned fine one if I do say so myself. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:28:28 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Ask for Hitch on 4/4/03 1:25 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > Barbara: >>> Yes, my latest complaint is the mixing up of John Cale and J.J. Cale. >>> Both very good but *not actually the same person*. > > That one's just a digital variation on a tried-and-true > record-store-stocking error. I always look under both names for the records > by the Cale I'm looking for (John), just in case. As a result I've seen the > cover artwork to every JJ Cale record hundreds of times, Just like I've seen albums by that asshole Russell Hitchcock from Air Supply. However, a good side effect of looking for Soft Boys records was that I became interested in The Soft Machine and Kevin Ayers. - -tc, who once came across Jethro Tull filed under "T". ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 13:34:17 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Mixed-up attributions At 01:10 PM 4/4/2003 -0800, Barbara Soutar wrote: >Hey, it's all kosher. I just put in a note on the Bowie version saying >"Iggy Pop cover" and changed the labelling on the Iggy Pop version from >"80's rock" to another label. I mean his version came out in the late >70's, so that's just wrong! I see that Jason Thornton says that they >co-wrote the song... sounds valid. To elaborate, David Bowie and Iggy Pop collaborated not only on that song, but on two Iggy Pop albums in the 70s, "The Idiot" and "Lust for Life," both of which Bowie later raided for material during the 80s (he also re-used the music from one song for a tune on "Lodger"). He produced both records, played on them and had a hand at co-writing most of songs. They later worked together on a third Pop album, "Blah Blah Blah," which wasn't as impressive. In other news, Eddie Vedder impaled a Bush effigy in concert: http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=119170 - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:49:16 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: best ofs >And then, on the way out, I passed the "bargain bin" full of $8 knockoff >compilations. Yup, more Campbell in there, although nothing (by him or >anyone else) with more than 10 "super hits". And, like, thousands of >different short crappy compilations by half of the artists we were >discussing last week (sometimes two at a time-- Juice Newton, check; Jim >Croce, you bet) all of which had overlapping tracks so you couldn't even >grab, like, two of them for all the songs you wanted. And don't even get me >started on the multi-artist comps. Or the "Back to Back Hits" discs (my >favorite: five songs apiece from Talk Talk and Johnny Hates Jazz(!!!))) most annoying "best of" experience I've had was discovering the wonderful 'everything you could ever need by him' "Donovan's greatest hits" 2LP set (with somewhere close to 30 of his tracks) reduced to a single CD with about 11 tracks on it. Same album, same cover art, same everything - except most of the tracks were gone. I've also 'been there done that' as far as the Glen Campbell comps are concerned. I have 'twenty golden greats' which has cover art to match the naffness of the title. But it does have Rhinestone cowboy, Wichita lineman, and Galveston, along with By the time I get to Phoenix, Gentle on my mind, and Try a little kindness, along with the less-than-essential Country boy, Where's the playground Susie, Dreams of the everyday hoisewife, and The last thing on my mind, a duet with Bobbie Gentry on All I have to do is dream, and a handful of decidedly non-essential tracks. >I could easily live without the late '70's hits, but if you're gonna have a >Campbell comp it's pointless not to have those songs as part of it. Like >having a Johnny Cash box set which omits "A Boy Named Sue". You don't need >to hear the tune ever again, but it fits on there without displacing >anything else you're gonna die without, right? Yeah. A bit like the wonderful Beach Boys double best of I have which has 40 tracks of which over 20 are essentials, and which contained all their big songs - except Surfin' safari. Sadder still, it did have the gut-churning warblings of Kokomo and Still cruisin'. Or the "Best of Toots and the Maytals" which has everything except "Beautiful woman" (Then again, in the latter case, Beautiful woman, though a huge hit in NZ, wasn't even a single in most countries). James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:49:27 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Iggy and the squid Kay, then Quail, then Kay... >>>Look at the expression of the scientist's face in the pic where he is >>>fondeling the squid's beak. > >>Fondling? Oh, like the squid doesn't *like* it. "Gentle caress," I think >>you mean.... > >Errrr, I may be wrong here but isn't the squid, well, out of water? And >wouldn't that mean that the squid is, like ... dead? well, as the scientist in question said on the TV news here (approximately): "you wouldn't want to get near the beak of a living one - it'd take your arm off. These things would be more dangerous - and much more intelligent - than great white sharks." >Like a frog? Maybe it's just a squid-shaped frog with interspecies sexual >tendencies. then again, that's also a possibility. - --- >>Iggy wrote the song and performed it, and then Bowie >>covered it. > >Bowie co-wrote the song with Iggy, and produced and played on Iggy's version. They were working a lot at about that time. The excellent Iggy album "Lust for life" has several Osterberg/Jones compositions, notably the title track, and "Tonight" which was a hit for Bowie. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 10:59:46 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Constant albums >My favorite albums are the ones that work themselves into the fabric of my >life, whose lyrics become part of my vocabulary, whose rhythms come to my mind >as I go about my daily chores. I submit to you some of these records: to which I add that there are a few artists whose entire oeuvres (or significant parts of this) have that effect on me. XTC is probably at the top of the list, but Joni Mitchell isn't far behind. Various parts of John Lennon's career also fit into this category, as do various parts of the Who, and lesser amounts of Warren Zevon, Elvis Costello, Chris Knox, and - yes - Midnight Oil. There are other artists responsible for one album that feels that way for me, too, but probably too many to mention here (example, Tori Amos "Little Earthquakes"). Knox is, IMO, responsible for the most poignant eight word couplet in music: "I cry - I remember/I smile - I remember". James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Apr 2003 01:34:17 +0100 (BST) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Take me home....country roads Rex rote - And hey, that chick *from West Virginia* that got rescued in Iraq last night was kinda cute. And her brother wasn't *too* toothless and inbred. The state-image turnaround continues... Sorry Rex, but I was slapping my britches and shouting 'Hot Diggity Dawg' when I saw the interview with the parents. These things are relative I suppose - and, remember, I'm a smug, sneering Twickenham pacifist wanker... Crowbar Joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:25:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: The Radiohead ablum Those MP3 files aren't exactly the album apparently.... http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=17837 ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:34:19 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: The Radiohead ablum According to the official Radiohead websight and message board... these are the rough workings or not quite the final mixes. Look for a double LP version of this album. Not sure what is on the 2nd album yet.... but keep an eye out. A few radio stations have received notices to stop playing the unauthorized tracks on the radio. Who would have thunk it? Herbie np -> "Hold Me, Thrill Me, Kiss Me Kill Me" U2 - --- Jeff Dwarf wrote: > Those MP3 files aren't exactly the album > apparently.... > > > http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?nid=17837 > > > > > > ===== > "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which > consists in very nearly deceiving your friends > without quite deceiving your enemies." > -- F.M. Cornford > > "To announce that there must be no criticism of the > president or that we are to stand by the president > right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, > but is morally treasonable to the American public." > -- Theodore Roosevelt > . > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, > and more > http://tax.yahoo.com ===== - --------------------------------------------- Rebuilding my websight: http://www34.brinkster.com/bflomidy/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 4 Apr 2003 22:37:39 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Some Local H song "Jason R. Thornton" wrote: > In other news, Eddie Vedder impaled a Bush effigy in concert: > > http://entertainment.msn.com/news/article.aspx?news=119170 What the story doesn't say though is that EV did that during the encore, so how many of the people leaving were because of that vs. because they wanted to beat traffic (it was an arena show). A few hundred out of probably 20,000 isn't exactly an audience revolt. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Apr 2003 20:58:17 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Acnalbasac Noom At 01:04 PM 4/4/2003 -0800, da9ve stovall wrote: > >YES! Do you have both "versions" - Casablanca Moon and Acnalbasac >Noom? I got the latter first, and the former later, and even >though there are performances of *most* of the same songs on >both, the bonus material is totally different and the vast differences >in some of the main songs would be worthwhile in and of themselves. > The middle eight in "The Drum" for example, is totally different. > Either version, I'm with you - I just can't get tired of this >music. > OK -- now I'm tempted. It looks like Casablanca Moon is readily available, but I don't see Acnalbasac Noom anywhere but at Amazon France for 21,23 Euros -- has anybody (in the U.S.) ever ordered from them? (expensive shipping?) Or, better yet, does anyone know of another source to get a copy? Merci, Eric ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #130 ********************************