From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #113 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, March 27 2003 Volume 12 : Number 113 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Watching the war (response to Kay) [Tom Clark ] reap [noam tchotchke ] Re: Aaron Brown and fun reading [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Anderson Vanderbilt My House of Style (2% CNN) [Tom Clark ] A pox upon the media ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: rumours of war [Christopher Gross ] RE: Watching the war (response to Quail) ["Terrence Marks" ] Re: fish and suspicious behavior [Barbara Soutar ] Re: Watching the war (response to Kay) ["Matt Sewell" ] my brother-in-law [Jill Brand ] an old topic [Jill Brand ] Re: ch [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: my brother-in-law [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: CNN and Aaron Brown ["K L N W" ] Punctuating emoticons [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: CNN and Aaron Brown [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: ch ["Stewart C. Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:06:53 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Watching the war (response to Kay) on 3/26/03 2:34 PM, The Great Quail at quail@libyrinth.com wrote: >> My daughter thinks Bush and Saddam should just have a duel and let everyone >> else go home. I kinda like that idea. > > No -- not enough! Jeb, George Senior, Uday and Qusay need to be in on it, > too! Welcome to a special edition of Gulf War Family Feud! 100 people were surveyed and here are the most popular responses to the following statement: "Anti-government protesters should be " George Sr.: "Put on a list of known agitators and have their phones tapped" George W: "Rounded up and handcuffed with those little plastic doohickeys that Jeb and me used to whip each other with when we was kids" Jeb: "I like ice cream" Sadam: "Subjected to hours and hours of excruciating torture, until their shrieks of pain turn into pleas to be killed" Uday: "Yeah, that sounds good" Qusay: "Hours of torture. Definitely. But only after I get to rape them" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:07:13 -0500 From: noam tchotchke Subject: reap daniel patrick moynihan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:07:36 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Aaron Brown and fun reading Tom Clark wrote: > noam tchotchke at woj@smoe.org wrote: > > jon stewart had him on the daily show right about when he > > started his cnn job (when was that? sometime after 9/11) and > > brown was a genuinely funny guy, so the bust-a-gut thing > > doesn't surprise me any. > > I think Brown's first day at CNN was actually 9/11/01. It was Paula Zahn's as well (in fact, there was some conjecture about Fox News going after her since she may have technically still been under contract there, even though she had already decided to leave for CNN). And the guy who were alluding to is Anderson Cooper, son of jeans empress Gloria Vanderbilt. I don't know why I know that. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:13:25 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Anderson Vanderbilt My House of Style (2% CNN) on 3/26/03 3:07 PM, Jeff Dwarf at munki1972@yahoo.com wrote: > And the guy who were alluding to is Anderson Cooper, son of jeans > empress Gloria Vanderbilt. I don't know why I know that. Wow, there's trivia for ya. I heard a story today about a drunken Calvin Klein wandering onto the court during a Knicks game. Anyone have any info on this? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:17:59 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Re: Anderson Vanderbilt My House of Style (2% CNN) On 3/26/03 3:13 PM, "Tom Clark" wrote: > I heard a story today about a drunken Calvin Klein wandering onto the court > during a Knicks game. Anyone have any info on this? I think fark.com linked to it yesterday. It may still be available on the front page. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Work is the curse of the drinking class." - --Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:21:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Anderson Vanderbilt My House of Style (2% CNN) Tom Clark wrote: > Jeff Dwarf at munki1972@yahoo.com wrote: > > > And the guy who were alluding to is Anderson Cooper, son of > jeans > > empress Gloria Vanderbilt. I don't know why I know that. > > Wow, there's trivia for ya. > > I heard a story today about a drunken Calvin Klein wandering > onto the court during a Knicks game. Anyone have any info on > this? He accosted Latrell Sprewell as Sprewell was trying to throw a pass in bounds, and mumbled something to him. Klein was then taken back to his seat by security. Sprewell declined to tell the press what Klein said, but from Sprewell's failure to choke Klein, we can assume mustard was not part of the conversation. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:56:38 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: rumours of war >>It gives a sense of false control by purveying unreality while >> selling itelf as reality. > >No media outlet has ever claimed to give you a sense of control. In fact, >"reporting" is almost the antithesis of control. Nor is everything you see >"unreality." However, we must accept that there are multiple ways of looking >at reality, many of them at odds. the difficulty is that, by accepting that there is reality in news reporting, people are willing to swallow the falsehood that they are getting the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth -and that the truth they ae getting is pure, in the sense that it is the only possible way to look at reality. Anyone who has done much writing (and I suspect that includes most of us here) knows that the choice of exact words is vital to colour how any report is presented. As such, it is probably impossible to have totally unbiased news. And when your main news source is - understandably - viewing only one side of a conflict and trying to put it in a positive light, the potential for seeing the unadulterated truth disappears totally. But to much of the general public, who have been brought up to accept the news media as an accurate view of events, this becomes the 'reality' which they will believe. As the old saying goes, one man's terrorist is another man's patriot. Or partisan. Or freedom fighter. Or rebel. Or... >>The major news outlets can only >> basically report what the military allows them to report. > >This is not entirely true. There are restrictions, there are things the >reporters are not allowed to record, but your statement is too totalizing to >be accurate. but it still carries more than an element of the truth to it. Journalists are only being allowed into Iraq if they are 'embedded' with the coalition forces. As such, they can only go where the coalition forces want them to, can only see what they are allowed to see by those forces, and have their news viewed and vetted. The coalition forces claim this is for the journalists own safety, yet it is a highly unusual procedure and is probably more dangerous for the reporters ("we'll protect you by placing you within our unit, which is an obvious target for attack."). In fact, the number of reporters killed or missing is already high compared with the number in other conflicts. >I think a combination is best -- TV, including all channels and >international feeds, newspaper, and Internet. One best builds up a picture >of reality through many angles. Agreed - and wherever possible, 'international feeds' should include information sourced from different nations' new agencies. Points of consensus between them are more likely to have basis in 'real fact'. Points of difference remain conjecture or - worse - opinion. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 11:57:13 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: divers alarums first Kay, now Glen - this has been a good week for Feg-returning! >Ugh! Has anyone else had a major crash as the result of viewing Flash >animation in Mozilla? Just this week, I was viewing a page with Flash and >Mozilla crashed. When I tried to restart it, I discovered I had lost my >profile, bookmarks, everything, not to mention the ability to open my other >browsers. Throwing away my prefs didn't work and neither did restarting. > >WTF is up with that? Anyone else experience anything similar? I had similar happen once (back in the university days), though it was a hard drive glitch rather than any fault with the browser. Since then, though, I've always kept a backup bookmark file compacted away on another corner of my drive. - --- >I agree that Brown is the most sincere anchor on the air, but I can't help >noticing that he's constantly on the verge of busting out laughing. He has >a perpetual grin on his face like someone just said "job" or something. >I like the way he brings in Gen. Clark (no relation) whenever there's >nothing else to talk about. Clark's usual response is "that's war!" best question from a press conference so far during the war has been one during a conference with a high-ranking Australian official. After parrying a series of questions with "I can't comment on that" one journalist asked "If you can't answer any of our questions, why are we having a press conference?". The response (I kid you not): "So that the Australian people can stay informed of what our forces are doing". - --- >And you know what else is kinda pissing me off? My wife got me such a cool >birthday present. She consulted with a bunch of "experts" (as in our >friends and family who know about such things) and bought a whole bunch of >CD's that fill some holes in my collection... mostly early country stuff, >classic albums and terrific compilations, with a few more contemporary >things... Rex, hang on to that wife, she sounds like a goody :).* Oh, and a belated happy birthday! >Too prog to be indie, too indie to be prog? Or is that >just the simplified press take on it I'm a little concerned that Prog seems to be making a small comeback. And if groups like the Flaming Lips keep coming up with good stuff then it could be more than a small one. - --- > I'm also glad to see Daryn Kagen getting some serious face time in > Kuwait. > She's definitely got the face for it. I'm an Orla Guerin fan meself (BBC's Israel/Palestine reporter). Not yer 'classically beautiful', but one of those 'interesting, and more attractive because of it' faces. - --- >> "I Wanna Be Embedded", >> -tc > >Heh. I wasn't thinking Ramones, but while busting sod over the weekend I did >rework a song: All the way through the Afghanistan crisis I had Warren Zevon's "Turbulence" on the brain. - --- >> And it wouldn't be Canadian journalism if it didn't involve hockey. Check >> out my man Don Cherry on Hockey Night In Canada. I don't agree with his >> opinions, but he's way entertaining. > >From avant-garde jazz trumpet-playing to hockey commentary? Some march to >a different drummer... believe it or not, one of NZ's top soccer reporters is called Miles Davis. Perhaps he and Don Cherry should get together... James * how do you punctuate around emoticons? Do they go inside the full-stop, or in place of it, or outside it? And what about when you're using parentheses? James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:05:45 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: rumours of war > Journalists > are only being allowed into Iraq if they are 'embedded' with the coalition > forces. I'm not entirely sure this is true. I believe that there are many foreign journalists who are not attached to units -- particularly Middle Eastern journalists. In fact, a close friend of mine is an American reporter in Iraq right now, and he's in a group floating from place to place.... Mind you, I am not 100% sure. I haven't talked to him since this began, he's a producer and doesn't file stories. > The coalition forces claim this is for the > journalists own safety, There is an element of truth to this, considering that some journalists are killed in the Middle East.... But I do agree with you, it's a bit of a paradox.... Best, - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:21:01 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: A pox upon the media Jeffrey: >>From avant-garde jazz trumpet-playing to hockey commentary? Some march >>a different drummer... Damn, ya beat me to it... _____ Miles: >>I listen to the BBC World Service radio feed at work, and NPR in the car. Pretty close to my war-media diet, too... actually my local public station sort of switches liberally *pun sort of intended* between NPR and BBC programming. In the morning and at night I look at whatever news channel I hit first on TV (I really don't know what channel is what on my cable system) to get a look at the faces and locales I've been hearing about, and then back to radio. Read the paper at lunch. >> The former is far superior to the latter in breaking news and its equal when >>they do >>in-depth stories, plus Auntie Beeb is thankfully sans the "SUV-liberal"- >>appeasement attitude that pervades NPR, but both beat the bejeezus out of the >>triumphalist cheerleading of the U.S. TV horde. Whoa, when I first read that I missed the hyphen between "SUV-liberal" and "appeasement" and I though you were using the "A" word the way right-wingers urging boycotts of "appeasement-loving celebrities" do (blehh). On a second reading it made perfect sense and I pretty much agree (although some NPR outlets are guiltier than others (coughpacificacough)). But for those of you who are irritated by the gung-ho mainstream war coverage... why are you watching it? I'm not asking that to be a cantankerous asshole, I'm genuinely curious. I can see some value in partaking of and thus understanding the picture that the average American is seeing-- taking the pulse of the nation, if you will-- but I feel no such compulsion, since I pretty much know how the mainstream media protrays things and I *know* that I'm going to hear many people complaining about it from everyone else anyway (socially, on mailing lists, and in the media I *do* partake of). With so much else of major concern, I'd rather not make the mainstream media anything more than one of the sidebar stories (and the coverage gets plenty of coverage, believe me)... putting it center stage would just give me something more to be pissed off about. Anyhoo... - -Rex np: r ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 19:46:03 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: rumours of war On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, The Great Quail wrote: > > Journalists > > are only being allowed into Iraq if they are 'embedded' with the coalition > > forces. > > I'm not entirely sure this is true. I believe that there are many foreign > journalists who are not attached to units -- particularly Middle Eastern > journalists. You're correct, Quail. Journalists (including Americans) don't *have* to be embedded to enter Iraq. For example, Terry Lloyd, the British reporter who was accidentally killed by coalition fire last week, was non-embedded. And I believe the Washington Post has at least one non-embedded reporter, Keith Richburg, wandering around southern Iraq. He's still alive, last I heard. > There is an element of truth to this, considering that some journalists are > killed in the Middle East.... But I do agree with you, it's a bit of a > paradox.... I think the embed program is really just a sad reflection of the military's low self-esteem. "Those journalists are all biased against us, but if only they lived and worked with our troops and really got to know them, *then* they'd like us...." - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 01:34:25 -0500 From: "Terrence Marks" Subject: RE: Watching the war (response to Quail) A Quail goes: > > My daughter thinks Bush and Saddam should just have a duel and > > let everyone else go home. I kinda like that idea. > > No -- not enough! Jeb, George Senior, Uday and Qusay need to be in on it, > too! I was working on a story in which an unnamed American president challenged an unnamed third-world dictator and said that they would meet him in any field at any time. The third-world dictator responded by challenging him to a baseball game - the President and his cabinet against the Dictator and his cronies. And A-Rod would be named Minister of Second Base, and they'd get Babe Ruth's old bat from the Smithsonian... Mind you, that story would've been more appropriate, say, three to twelve months ago. My news source is usually CNN's website, mainly because they won't let me through to MSNBC while at work. I used to have opinions on things but after a few months of CNN.com, I feel too underinformed to make a decision on anything global. Of course, most of their website's news is licensed from AP and Reuters (which in turn, is mostly corporate press releases with an AP/Reuters logo stamped on them.) One thing of note is that CNN's website has no "Opinions" section. The closest it has is weekly articles in the law and politics section. I'm pretty much contextless now. I don't have much opinions about anything now. Also....any statement I've seen from Saddam or Kim Jong-Il has been stilted and loopy. Is it that these guys are so out of it that they can't string together a coherent sound bite? Or is there a different translation policy for Axis of Evil members? I mean, things like Iraq's Minister of Information asking the Coalition forces to "surrender because we will behead you", as CNN directly quoted. Not "Surrender or else we will behead you" or "If you surrender, we will behead you" but "You should surrender. You will be beheaded". Or translating the Saddam Feyadeen as "Saddam's Men of Sacrifice" instead of, maybe, "Saddam's Martyrs" or what have you. Terrence Marks http://www.unlikeminerva.com >>> Download free spam killer at http://eliminatespam.com [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/ms-tnef which had a name of winmail.dat] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:48:43 -0800 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Re: CNN, no fish content Said Tom Clark: "Actually CNN says they are the most trusted name in *news*, not journalism. There's a difference. And it wouldn't be Canadian journalism if it didn't involve hockey. Check out my man Don Cherry on Hockey Night In Canada. I don't agree with his opinions, but he's way entertaining." I quoted the wrong word there, and it makes a huge difference. CNN has definitely cornered the market on news. But I'm tired of hearing empty commentary that echoes the government's position. As for Don Cherry, he's loud in every way: voice, fashion, opinion. A wacky guy who people love to hate. I didn't know he had fans outside the country! Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 00:06:05 -0800 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Re: fish and suspicious behavior "I just got back from Hawaii too. Went to visit the folks and show my boyfriend the islands. My favorite of his comments was that wow people really did wear aloha wear there. Got to play with the fish too. Wish I was back there. Melissa" My theory was that it was mainly the tourists who were wearing the brightest and floweriest clothes. Is this true? This trip was mainly a business one for my husband but my daughter and I got to come along. Rooms and meals were free as job involved updating the hotel room safes to be radio controlled. We are counting it as our 25th wedding anniversary trip... this should have happened 2 years ago but we didn't manage to celebrate the quarter century mark at the time. Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:40:38 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Watching the war (response to Kay) Kay/Quail > > My daughter thinks Bush and Saddam should just have a duel and let everyone > > else go home. I kinda like that idea. >No -- not enough! Jeb, George Senior, Uday and Qusay need to be in on it, too! Only if everyone could lose... Cheers Matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:15:07 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: ch "ch", as heard in German, Yiddish, many Slavic languages, Hebrew, is probably considered a glottal fricative. Ken? Sebastian? What do you all think. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:23:22 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: my brother-in-law Quail wrote, "Germans mostly built Iraq's network of bunkers and chemical weapons factories..." Ain't it the truth. My husband has 4 brothers and sisters, and their politics are all over the map (from conservative to once card carrying members of the German Communist Party [DKP]). His brother, the most conserative of the bunch, lived in Baghdad for 2 years during the 80s. Whenever people asked us what he was doing there, we'd glibly reply "Selling bombs to the Iraqis." And this was true. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:26:14 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: an old topic People were talking about protest songs recently. A friend of mine just sent me this. Her boyfriend is in a rather out there band called Cul de Sac, so she is way more connected than I am. ************************************** To the Musicians for Peace mailing list: Thurston Moore and Chris Habib have launched a website of protest songs in mp3 format, for free download -- following is their announcement: WWW.PROTEST-RECORDS.COM (as curated by Thurston Moore and Chris Habib) exists for musicians, poets and artists to express LOVE + LIBERTY in the face of greed, sexism, racism, hate-crime and war FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT All songs on this site are free to share, not to sell www.protest-records.com Don't forget the dash (-) in protest-records or you'll be directed to a different site. contact: info@protest-records.com Please forward - -- M4P http://www.musiciansforpeace.org ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:34:30 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: ch - --On Donnerstag, 27. Mdrz 2003 8:15 Uhr -0500 Jill Brand wrote: > "ch", as heard in German, Yiddish, many Slavic languages, Hebrew, is > probably considered a glottal fricative. Ken? Sebastian? What do you > all think. I can only say about German. There are two allophones in German, i.e. they don't have phoneme status because they aren't distinctive. They are in complementary distribution. Example 1: "ach" (that's /x/ in IPA, as far as I remember) Example 2: "Licht" (I forget how that one is transcribed) NB: AFAIK both are realised using the same allophone (the first one) by speakers of Swiss German. OK, now I've used up just about all that I remember from my phonetics and phonology classes ... ;-) Thinking about it I *believe* that they aren't glottal fricatives, but rather velar fricatives, but I'm not sure. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:35:59 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: my brother-in-law - --On Donnerstag, 27. Mdrz 2003 8:23 Uhr -0500 Jill Brand wrote: > Quail wrote, "Germans mostly built Iraq's network of bunkers and chemical > weapons factories..." > > Ain't it the truth. My husband has 4 brothers and sisters, and their > politics are all over the map (from conservative to once card carrying > members of the German Communist Party [DKP]). His brother, the most > conserative of the bunch, lived in Baghdad for 2 years during the 80s. > Whenever people asked us what he was doing there, we'd glibly reply > "Selling bombs to the Iraqis." And this was true. I bet that makes for great family reunions ... ;-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 14:14:15 +0000 From: "K L N W" Subject: Re: CNN and Aaron Brown I wrote: >>France, Germany and Russia have interests in Iran just like Cheney would >>like to. Sebastion responded: >Germany? I don't think so. You're probobly right. I know France and Russia do, so in mid-grouch I overgeneralized. Sorry. Kay _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:24:42 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Punctuating emoticons - --On Donnerstag, 27. Mdrz 2003 11:57 Uhr +1200 James Dignan wrote: > how do you punctuate around emoticons? Do they go inside the full-stop, > or in place of it, or outside it? And what about when you're using > parentheses? This question has been bugging me forever! I usually end up leaving white space between the emoticon and parentheses or other punctuation. Looks ugly, though. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:37:23 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: CNN and Aaron Brown - --On Donnerstag, 27. Mdrz 2003 14:14 Uhr +0000 K L N W wrote: > I wrote: >>> France, Germany and Russia have interests in Iran just like Cheney would >>> like to. > > Sebastion responded: >> Germany? I don't think so. > > You're probobly right. I know France and Russia do, so in mid-grouch I > overgeneralized. Sorry. That's alright. I wasn't upset. It's just that I feel that the current German government (if you are willing to refer to a government as a single entity) really tries to do the right thing. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:50:09 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: CNN, no fish content On Thursday, March 27, 2003, at 01:48 AM, Barbara Soutar wrote: > Said Tom Clark: "Actually CNN says they are the most trusted name in > *news*, not journalism. Actually, the "news" from CNN or any other source is meaningless. The outcome is not in doubt, and the only question is if the Ba'ath Party will kill a bunch of people on its way out. The local NPR station cut into Diane Rehm yesterday for "news" from Bush. What they actually got was his fist 2004 re-election speech. The Marine general that introduced him sounded like he got his introductory remarks directly from the RNC. - - Steve __________ The Bush/Nixon bond is a most peculiar union, given the immense class gap between the Man from Whittier and the would-be dynasty in Kennebunkport. And yet there's an important similarity between them after all. Despite the Bush clan's vast advantage, that crew is, oddly, just as thin-skinned and resentful as the Trickster. Like him, they never forget a slight, and always feel themselves impaired; and so-like Nixon-they tend to favor The Attack. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 10:03:23 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: ch Jill Brand wrote: > > "ch", as heard in German, Yiddish, many Slavic languages, Hebrew, is > probably considered a glottal fricative. Don't forget Scots ... I think it's an uvular fricative. John Wells thinks so, and he's The Man where IPA is concerned: Stewart ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #113 ********************************