From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #112 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, March 26 2003 Volume 12 : Number 112 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Mozilla and beer [Glen Uber ] Re: Mozilla and beer [Ken Weingold ] Re: CNN and Aaron Brown (no fish) [Tom Clark ] Re: Mozilla and beer ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Fw: CNN and Aaron Brown (no fish) ["Mike Wells" ] Re: Aaron Brown and fun reading [Tom Clark ] Re: CNN and Aaron Brown (no fish) [Steve Talkowski ] The War on Music: Well Underway ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: The War on Music: Well Underway [Aaron Mandel ] CNN and Aaron Brown ["K L N W" ] Re: CNN, no fish content [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: CNN and Aaron Brown [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: CNN and Aaron Brown [Christopher Gross ] Germany [The Great Quail ] Re: CNN and Aaron Brown (no fish) [Miles Goosens ] Re: CNN and Aaron Brown [Miles Goosens ] fish & suspicious behavior ["melissa" ] Watching the war (response to Kay) [The Great Quail ] Re: Fw: CNN and Aaron Brown (no fish) ["Maximilian Lang" Subject: Mozilla and beer On 3/25/03 4:06 PM, "rosso@videotron.ca" wrote: > On 25 Mar 2003 at 20:36, Tom Clark wrote: > >> Five popups and countless cookies later... > > Mozilla! Ugh! Has anyone else had a major crash as the result of viewing Flash animation in Mozilla? Just this week, I was viewing a page with Flash and Mozilla crashed. When I tried to restart it, I discovered I had lost my profile, bookmarks, everything, not to mention the ability to open my other browsers. Throwing away my prefs didn't work and neither did restarting. I was able to get back online using Camino and IE, but was never able to restore my Mozilla.app. I'm afraid to try to reload it now. WTF is up with that? Anyone else experience anything similar? Yes, I'm back. I was never really gone, but I wasn't keeping up with the digests. Now I'm back on the regular list and am keeping up with y'all as the messages come in. It's probably a little to late to say anything about the recent beer discussion, but I'll still try to comment at some point. - -- Cheers! - -g- "Work is the curse of the drinking class." - --Oscar Wilde ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:03:37 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Mozilla and beer On Wed, Mar 26, 2003, Glen Uber wrote: > Ugh! Has anyone else had a major crash as the result of viewing Flash > animation in Mozilla? Just this week, I was viewing a page with Flash and > Mozilla crashed. When I tried to restart it, I discovered I had lost my > profile, bookmarks, everything, not to mention the ability to open my other > browsers. Throwing away my prefs didn't work and neither did restarting. > > I was able to get back online using Camino and IE, but was never able to > restore my Mozilla.app. I'm afraid to try to reload it now. > > WTF is up with that? Anyone else experience anything similar? Not I, but all I use is Camino. Try here: . Also make sure you have the latest version of the Flash plugin. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:18:21 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: CNN and Aaron Brown (no fish) on 3/26/03 7:20 AM, The Great Quail at quail@libyrinth.com wrote: > I find that a problem with most TV journalism. But of all the CNN > personalities, I think the best is definitely the oft-bemused Aaron Brown, > the night-time anchor. He's obviously intelligent, self-aware, honest in his > feelings, occasionally ironic, a bit cynical, yet refreshingly idealistic > about his duties. His late-night conversations with General Clark have been > very engaging, I agree that Brown is the most sincere anchor on the air, but I can't help noticing that he's constantly on the verge of busting out laughing. He has a perpetual grin on his face like someone just said "job" or something. I like the way he brings in Gen. Clark (no relation) whenever there's nothing else to talk about. Clark's usual response is "that's war!" on 3/26/03 10:02 AM, Jonathan Fetter at hydra@voicenet.com wrote: > You want trouble? Try taking seriously the anchor (Carol Costello?) > that's on before Paula seriously. She seems more interested in > celebrities, fashion, chit-chat with other reporters, and beaming > smiles at the camera. Last weekend I was watching Martin Savage reporting via videophone with a bunch of marines. Carol's co-anchor (Anderson something?) was asking the real questions while Carol just kept interjecting "you'd better put your helmet on Martin!" I'm also glad to see Daryn Kagen getting some serious face time in Kuwait. She's definitely got the face for it. - -t "bunker-fuck" c ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:32:40 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Mozilla and beer Ken Weingold wrote: > > Not I, but all I use is Camino. I was about to answer "No crashes here", and was just checking a Flash page to be sure when it went ... No damage done, though. Mozilla did (back at 1.2 or so) have a habit of creating new profiles after a crash that made it look like the old one had gone away. The way to fix it was to start another copy of mozilla, which would ask you to choose a session -- and lo and behold, you could get your old one back. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:35:15 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Fw: CNN and Aaron Brown (no fish) Tom rightly observed: > I'm also glad to see Daryn Kagen getting some serious face time in Kuwait. > She's definitely got the face for it. On that note, I love how MSNBC has safely protected its hottie correspondents by placing them where absolutely nothing is in danger of happening. Call it the 'Banfield' effect. Michael "and now for more on the war, we go to Kentucky" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:37:56 -0500 From: noam tchotchke Subject: Re: CNN and Aaron Brown (no fish) one time at band camp, Tom Clark said: >I agree that Brown is the most sincere anchor on the air, but I can't help >noticing that he's constantly on the verge of busting out laughing. jon stewart had him on the daily show right about when he started his cnn job (when was that? sometime after 9/11) and brown was a genuinely funny guy, so the bust-a-gut thing doesn't surprise me any. +w ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 11:57:28 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Aaron Brown and fun reading on 3/26/03 11:37 AM, noam tchotchke at woj@smoe.org wrote: > jon stewart had him on the daily show right about when he started his cnn > job (when was that? sometime after 9/11) and brown was a genuinely funny > guy, so the bust-a-gut thing doesn't surprise me any. I think Brown's first day at CNN was actually 9/11/01. Check out some fun spin on the war here: http://english.pravda.ru/ "I Wanna Be Embedded", - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:00:39 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: CNN and Aaron Brown (no fish) On Wednesday, March 26, 2003, at 02:18 PM, Tom Clark wrote: > I'm also glad to see Daryn Kagen getting some serious face time in > Kuwait. > She's definitely got the face for it. I remember fawning over her 15 years ago when she was on the Phoenix ABC affiliate. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:01:37 -0800 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: CNN, no fish content Hi again, While I was in my hotel room in Hawaii I heard CNN saying over and over that they are the most trusted name in journalism. Saying it a lot doesn NOT make it true. Now that I'm home, I have the advantage of being able to listen to Canadian journalism, plus I tune into the BBC. Believe me, there is intelligent commentary going on. As for Connie Chung, I've never watched her for more than 5 minutes. Just wondered if anyone had heard the news that she's now out of a job on CNN. Apparently not. I notice that my html link to the Canadian news link was knocked out of my last e-mail so I will try again. You might find the Connie Chung story (if you care) plus some others that are missing from U.S. news sources at this address: www.canoe.ca/CNEWS/home.html. Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 12:18:59 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The War on Music: Well Underway And you know what else is kinda pissing me off? My wife got me such a cool birthday present. She consulted with a bunch of "experts" (as in our friends and family who know about such things) and bought a whole bunch of CD's that fill some holes in my collection... mostly early country stuff, classic albums and terrific compilations, with a few more contemporary things... and I keep bringing them to work and then just looking at them sideways while I listen to the damned war on the radio*. Bleah. Also laying there in my unlistened-to pile is my "Slanted & Enchanted" double-disc reissue, which joins a growing cluster of "Reissues So expansive That You're Obligated to Retain Your Copy of the Original Issue in Order to Hold Onto a Clear Example of What the Record Was About to Begin With". But that reminds me that I keep meaning to solicit opinions from y'all on the new Malkmus record. Too prog to be indie, too indie to be prog? Or is that just the simplified press take on it? More importantly... any good? ____ Michael K.: >>> For a very funny example of how my upbringing resembled a Phillip Roth >> novel Not to add fuel to the numerological mania, but Philip Roth was also born March 19, date of the start of the war. And "Portnoy's Complaint" is an anagram for "NOT COMPLIANT-- SPORY!", a clear allusion to biological warfare. Also born 3/19, Patrick McGoohan... there's a whole world of crypto shit associated with that name, eh? - -James Rex Broome, born March 19, whose name is an anagram for "Jab me or more sex", a clear allusion to how you should just kill me now and put me out of my damned misery. *(Umm, make that "listening to the war on Iraq via the agency of the radio". The war on radio, that's a whole 'nother issue.) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:59:10 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Aaron Brown and fun reading > "I Wanna Be Embedded", > -tc Heh. I wasn't thinking Ramones, but while busting sod over the weekend I did rework a song: There's retired General Horner and Amonpour in a corner so it turns into a Baghdad blitz (tchicka - tchicka - tchicka - tchicka) Bagh-dad blitz There was about fifty verses. Have fun, create your own...but warning, it took repeated viewings of Chris Rice's "Billy Joe McGuffrey" from the Veggietales' "Jonah" bonus disc to get me unstuck. Michael "it's amazing what kids will do for your musical taste" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:18:43 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: The War on Music: Well Underway On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > new Malkmus record. Too prog to be indie, too indie to be prog? Or is > that just the simplified press take on it? More importantly... any > good? It's not prog any more than the Ramones were Chuck Berry; it might be a useful reference point for deflating someone who claimed Malkmus was making completely original, previous-unconceivable music, but I haven't heard anyone doing that. I think it's really good, and the bonus EP that came with my copy was a nice surprise. Sonically it isn't too far from Terror Twilight or the s/t solo album, but unlike with those I have the desire to listen to it. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:30:07 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: RE: The War on Music: Well Underway Aaron on the Malkmus record: >>I think it's really good, and the bonus EP that came with my copy was a >>nice surprise. Sonically it isn't too far from Terror Twilight or the s/t >>solo album, but unlike with those I have the desire to listen to it. Interesting-- what makes the difference, just time elapsed since Pavement was really great? The stuff I've heard gives me the feeling I might well feel the same way about it. Thanks, Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:36:31 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: The War on Music: Well Underway On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > Interesting-- what makes the difference, just time elapsed since > Pavement was really great? No, no, I think the songs are better. I was listening to the S&E reissue recently so I don't think my Pavement standards have gone down. Admittedly, I haven't gone back to those two disfavored records since hearing Pig Lib, but my suspicion is that it will make me like them *less*... until now, I'd thought maybe I just didn't dig the sound Malkmus was headed toward, whereas now I feel like he's made the record he was trying to get to. I should probably give the band some credit too, but I think it's the same folks as the last one. Now, it could just be my imagination that it sounds like his recent stuff at all. I read one review that said it sounded like it should have come after Wowee Zowee, and while the guitar playing is too "straight" for that, if you ask me, it does make sense. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:44:50 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: CNN, no fish content on 3/26/03 12:01 PM, Barbara Soutar at bsoutar@horizon.bc.ca wrote: > While I was in my hotel room in Hawaii I heard CNN saying over and over > that they are the most trusted name in journalism. Saying it a lot doesn > NOT make it true. Now that I'm home, I have the advantage of being able > to listen to Canadian journalism, Actually CNN says they are the most trusted name in *news*, not journalism. There's a difference. And it wouldn't be Canadian journalism if it didn't involve hockey. Check out my man Don Cherry on Hockey Night In Canada. I don't agree with his opinions, but he's way entertaining. (Real Player required, sorry) http://cbc.ca/clips/ram-lo/coach030322.ram - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:48:32 +0000 From: "K L N W" Subject: CNN and Aaron Brown First of all, on a positive note, thank you everyone who has welcomed me back. It meant alot to me, I really appreciate it. Now, for todays negativity ... My TV viewing has just about halted. Ive gotten sick of human events as spectacle. No more massacres on cable. TV news during a somewhat jingoistic war scares me. The news makes you feel familiar with events and gives you a false sense that you know whats happening, that you are informed and on top of things. It gives a sense of false control by purveying unreality while selling itelf as reality. But can you really know the inside of the scream when your guts are getting torn out, or the emotional turmoil of a dad telling his crying child that of course daddy will be just fine and coming back home soon? Ack, its all been said before but I just can't stand the professionally glib, impersonal comments about "policy" and "strategy" etc when those words really just boil down to a whole bunch of very personal tragedies. Brown is by far the best of the lot, he can think on his feet and avoid being ponderous. But I don't trust any of it. And if you can't trust it, then what is it --entertainment? Thats obscene. The major news outlets can only basically report what the military allows them to report. Whether they do it with bimboes or intelligent folk, I know that what Im getting is not what it pretends to be. I actually prefer reading the newspaper because Im a less passive consumer. How much I pay attention to what parts is less liable to be swayed by explosions and hysterical voices. Sure there are rhetorical tricks and biased reporting, but its not like TV where your body reacts even thou your intellect sees thru the tricks. Part of this rant is because Im so disgusted by the whole war. Bush's regime is corrupt and Saddam is a flat out tyrent. Its like bad fighting evil. France, Germany and Russia have interests in Iran just like Cheney would like to. And the peace movement, which I think I support, has no counter-proposal for disarming or disempowering Saddam, who if he could probobly would use his arms aggressively. My daughter thinks Bush and Saddam should just have a duel and let everyone else go home. I kinda like that idea. Grumpy Kay _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:53:15 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: CNN, no fish content On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Tom Clark wrote: > And it wouldn't be Canadian journalism if it didn't involve hockey. Check > out my man Don Cherry on Hockey Night In Canada. I don't agree with his > opinions, but he's way entertaining. From avant-garde jazz trumpet-playing to hockey commentary? Some march to a different drummer... - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Some see things as they are, and say "Why?" ::Some see things as they could be, and say "Why not?" ::Some see things that aren't there, and say "Huh?" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:54:31 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: CNN and Aaron Brown - -- K L N W is rumored to have mumbled on Mittwoch, 26. Mdrz 2003 21:48 Uhr +0000 regarding CNN and Aaron Brown: > France, Germany and Russia have interests in Iran just like Cheney would > like to. Germany? I don't think so. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:01:52 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: CNN and Aaron Brown At 09:48 PM 3/26/2003 +0000, K L N W wrote: >My daughter thinks Bush and Saddam should just have a duel and let >everyone else go home. I kinda like that idea. Can we get them to mud wrestle in bikinis? They'll start off trying to kill each other, but I'm sure by the end, they'll be making out... you can just tell by their heated rhetoric that there's some underlying lusty passion there. - --- Jason Thornton "I can offer nothing This nothing's everlasting" -- David Sylvian ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:09:36 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: CNN and Aaron Brown On Wed, 26 Mar 2003, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > France, Germany and Russia have interests in Iran just like Cheney would > > like to. > > Germany? I don't think so. I think she meant to write "Iraq" instead of "Iran." Germany does have fairly extensive trade relations with Iraq, though not nearly as much as France or Russia. Whether or not these determine German policy towards Iraq is another question. Another annoying thing about TV news reporting of the war: the way some reporters use the word "forces" to refer to individual soldiers, as in "there were two forces in the back seat of the jeep." That sends a little shiver of annoyance down my spine every time I hear it. - --Chris np: NPR ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:09:19 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Germany >> France, Germany and Russia have interests in Iran just like Cheney would >> like to. > > Germany? I don't think so. Sebastian is almost correct. Germany is fairly free from connections right now, though that was not the case in the 70-8os. Germans mostly built Iraq's network of bunkers and chemical weapons factories, and worse, they provided him with the technology to produce the worse varieties of nerve gas, many of them descended from Nazi prototypes. You would have thought they'd have learned...? But as I am sure Sebastian would point out, those German companies were allowed to do that under a very different political administration. By far, France and Russia are up to their eyeballs in Iraq. Hell, it was Chirac who brokered the deals with Iraq on Mirage fighters and nuclear materials, and France was the only Western country seriously taking Saddam seriously with his claims to Kuwait before the Gulf War. Please note, this is not to absolve Dick Cheney. The man is Satan. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:22:04 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: CNN and Aaron Brown (no fish) At 02:37 PM 3/26/2003 -0500, noam tchotchke wrote: >one time at band camp, Tom Clark said: > >>I agree that Brown is the most sincere anchor on the air, but I can't help >>noticing that he's constantly on the verge of busting out laughing. > >jon stewart had him on the daily show right about when he started his cnn >job (when was that? sometime after 9/11) and brown was a genuinely funny >guy, so the bust-a-gut thing doesn't surprise me any. I was about to point out that Brown's obsequious and deferential behavior toward military experts, exemplified by this play-by-play from the Embedded Desert Joyride , gets in the way for me. In a major way for me. But among U.S. news anchors, he's about as unique in that respect as Dick Vitale and Billy Packer are unique among college basketball announcers in their obsequious coach worship. For the non-U.S./non-sports audience among ye, append "(i.e., not at all)" to the previous paragraph. I listen to the BBC World Service radio feed at work, and NPR in the car. The former is far superior to the latter in breaking news and its equal when they do in-depth stories, plus Auntie Beeb is thankfully sans the "SUV-liberal"-appeasement attitude that pervades NPR, but both beat the bejeezus out of the triumphalist cheerleading of the U.S. TV horde. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:15:07 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Germany on 3/26/03 2:09 PM, The Great Quail at quail@libyrinth.com wrote: > Please note, this is not to absolve Dick Cheney. The man is Satan. Reporter: "Mr. Cheney, how do you know Iraq possesses weapons of mass destruction?" Cheney: "We still have the receipts!" - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:26:10 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: CNN and Aaron Brown At 05:09 PM 3/26/2003 -0500, Christopher Gross wrote: >Another annoying thing about TV news reporting of the war: the way some >reporters use the word "forces" to refer to individual soldiers, as in >"there were two forces in the back seat of the jeep." That sends a little >shiver of annoyance down my spine every time I hear it. The only way I've survived the onslaught of the word "normalcy" since 9/11 is by imagining that every time a talking head utters the word, a demon shoves a red-hot pitchfork into Warren G. Harding's posterior. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 22:25:06 -0000 From: "melissa" Subject: fish & suspicious behavior hello, Just taking a break before our annual conference swallows my life and prevents me from keeping up with feg mail. Welcome back Kay. We missed you. Did anyone else see this piece in the post? Creepy. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A16791-2003Mar23.html Barbara I just got back from Hawaii too. Went to visit the folks and show my boyfriend the islands. My favorite of his comments was that wow people really did wear aloha wear there. Got to play with the fish too. Wish I was back there. Melissa ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:34:51 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Watching the war (response to Kay) Kay writes, > The news makes you feel familiar with events and gives you a > false sense that you know whats happening, that you are informed and on top > of things. That's not necessarily an entirely false sense. It is an *incomplete* sense, because we lack omniscience, the reporters are not allowed to cover everything, and we are largely in the dark about the Iraqi side. But I think it is fairly undeniable that the public has an unprecedented amount of information in this war, a very risky strategy in terms of the Pentagon: even if they do shape a lot of what we see. Despise the war or grimly accept it: the media coverage, even incomplete, is a powerful thing, and I believe mostly a welcome thing. For the first time, we see our troops truly as an extension of ourselves; we see the methods of war without the sanitation of Gulf War I; we see the different fronts unfolding in a way that shows us a reality so profound even the Pentagon cannot claim to control it. Add to that Al Jazeera, Abu Dhabai, the BBC, and others, and we get a multifaceted image, for the first time, of modern war. I am actually staggered by the coverage, and the broad range of emotions it has evoked in me, from excitement to horror to a baseline of gnawing anxiety. >It gives a sense of false control by purveying unreality while > selling itelf as reality. No media outlet has ever claimed to give you a sense of control. In fact, "reporting" is almost the antithesis of control. Nor is everything you see "unreality." However, we must accept that there are multiple ways of looking at reality, many of them at odds. > And if you can't trust it, then > what is it --entertainment? Thats obscene. No, you are setting up a false equation. Just because you cannot 100% trust the news does not imply that it is "entertainment." It is merely television news, hampered by numerous factors, including the patriotism or bias of the journalists, yes, the control of the Pentagon, yes, and the decisions of the networks what to air and what not to air. It is flawed, but that does not mean it is cheapened to the state of mere "entertainment." That *would* be obscene. (Or perhaps just Fox news.) >The major news outlets can only > basically report what the military allows them to report. This is not entirely true. There are restrictions, there are things the reporters are not allowed to record, but your statement is too totalizing to be accurate. Look at the dead Syrians, the wounded children, the mendacity of Sgt. Akbar, the prisoners of war, the executed POWs, the bombed market, the two Tomahawks that went down in Turkey, the struggle with Fedayeen; these are not things the Pentagon would necessarily choose to report raw, before days passed for management and spin. Look at the interviews with US soldiers, many of which claim to be scared, angry, homesick. Look at the world wide peace demonstrations, the anger of the Muslim world.... There is much more going on that Miles O'Brian's breathless maneuvering over the CNN war-map. In fact, I think the Pentagon is taking a huge risk by allowing this -- even though they balance that risk by employing coverage as propaganda, both to the home front and to the Iraqis. Yes, this is complex. > I actually prefer reading the newspaper because Im a less passive consumer. I think a combination is best -- TV, including all channels and international feeds, newspaper, and Internet. One best builds up a picture of reality through many angles. > Part of this rant is because Im so disgusted by the whole war. Bush's regime > is corrupt and Saddam is a flat out tyrent. Its like bad fighting evil. Heh heh -- I think that's the best critique I have yet to read! "Bad fighting evil." > And the peace movement, which I think I support, has no > counter-proposal for disarming or disempowering Saddam, who if he could > probobly would use his arms aggressively. The peace movement depresses me. So much empty rhetoric, emotion without logic, and false pretenses. There are numerous reasons to oppose the war -- Eddie and Chris Gross provided some very good ones -- but they don't always fit on a placard. > My daughter thinks Bush and Saddam should just have a duel and let everyone > else go home. I kinda like that idea. No -- not enough! Jeb, George Senior, Uday and Qusay need to be in on it, too! - --Quail ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The Great Quail, Keeper of the Libyrinth: http://www.TheModernWord.com "All visible objects, man, are but as pasteboard masks. But in each event -- in the living act, the undoubted deed -- there, some unknown but still reasoning thing puts forth the mouldings of its features from behind the unreasoning mask. If man will strike, strike through the mask! How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall?" --Herman Melville, "Moby Dick" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 18:01:35 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Fw: CNN and Aaron Brown (no fish) >From: "Mike Wells" >Subject: Fw: CNN and Aaron Brown (no fish) >Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:35:15 -0600 >On that note, I love how MSNBC has safely protected its hottie >correspondents by placing them where absolutely nothing is in danger of >happening. Call it the 'Banfield' effect. Is Banfield still on the air? For a while I thought the B in MSNBC was for Banfield, now she seems to have vanished. Max _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #112 ********************************