From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #108 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, March 24 2003 Volume 12 : Number 108 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: why soccer fans are the best ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Apple Switch (0% RH) [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Apple Switch (0% RH) [Eb ] Re: Apple Switch (0% RH) [Mike Swedene ] Oscar winner out (perhaps) on DVD 4/15 [steve ] gnatmaniax x 3 ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: gnatmaniax x 3 [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Feg (traditional) musical and peace recommendations [grutness@surf4nix.co] Fwd: Re: Beer. ["Brian Hoare" ] Re: gnatmaniax x 3 [Michael R Godwin ] Great American Beer ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: Please report any suspicious looking wallies [Michael R Godwin ] Ebay/Paypal question (0%RH) [Eric Loehr ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:38:33 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: why soccer fans are the best >From: "Michael Wells" >Subject: why soccer fans are the best >Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 09:16:02 -0600 >"Reuters reported that forward George Reilly, who scored Watford's winning >goal in the 1984 FA Cup semifinal, had his ear bitten off recently by a >disgruntled Plymouth fan who had held a grudge over his team's defeat for >19 >years. The attacker chewed off one of Reilly's ears and whispered >'Plymouth' >into the other one." > >That last bit is sheer genius. > >Michael "have a go at his nose" Wells And then tell him he stinks? Max _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 08:48:21 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Apple Switch (0% RH) I was reading this article yesterday. Sounds like Apple may "Pear" ( I know it is pair) up with the evil Intel Empire.... oh well.... http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,939886,00.asp Thought some of the macheads would like to read it. Herbie np-> Ringing Ears from Last night's local show going to see Henry Rollins on his talking tour tonight!!! ===== - --------------------------------------------- Rebuilding my websight: http://www34.brinkster.com/bflomidy/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 18:52:10 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Apple Switch (0% RH) - -- Mike Swedene is rumored to have mumbled on Sonntag, 23. Mdrz 2003 8:48 Uhr -0800 regarding Apple Switch (0% RH): > I was reading this article yesterday. Sounds like > Apple may "Pear" ( I know it is pair) up with the evil > Intel Empire.... oh well.... > > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,939886,00.asp > > Thought some of the macheads would like to read it. John Dvorak has been predicting this for years. So far he has been wrong ;-) Of course now the situation has changed. If Apple were to go with Itanium processors it wouldn't at all mean that they'd be switching to "PC" hardware. The 64 bit processors are very different from the legacy ones. Still, I'm not convinced they're going to do that. The Power 5 may be just as good an alternative. I really don't know. Does anybody on the list have more intimate knowledge of 64 bit processor design? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:13:22 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Apple Switch (0% RH) On Sunday, March 23, 2003, at 10:48 AM, Mike Swedene wrote: > I was reading this article yesterday. Sounds like > Apple may "Pear" ( I know it is pair) up with the evil > Intel Empire.... oh well.... > > http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,4149,939886,00.asp > > Thought some of the macheads would like to read it. When John Dvorak writes about Apple, it's best to just ignore it. It's very likely that Apple will be showing a new PowerMac within a few months - based on IBM's PPC970, a single core, 64-bit processor derived from their dual core Power4. - - Steve __________ In terms of the power he now claims, without significant challenge, George W. Bush is now the closest thing in a long time to dictator of the world. - Michael Kinsley ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:41:01 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Apple Switch (0% RH) >Steve S.: >When John Dvorak writes about Apple, it's best to just ignore it. >It's very likely that Apple will be showing a new PowerMac within a >few months - based on IBM's PPC970, a single core, 64-bit processor >derived from their dual core Power4. We interrupt our regular programming with this breaking news: Fegmaniax subscriber Steve Schiavo has posted a thought, rather than a link. More on this story as it develops.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:06:14 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: Apple Switch (0% RH) - --- Eb wrote: > >Steve S.: > >When John Dvorak writes about Apple, it's best to > just ignore it. > >It's very likely that Apple will be showing a new > PowerMac within a > >few months - based on IBM's PPC970, a single core, > 64-bit processor > >derived from their dual core Power4. > > We interrupt our regular programming with this > breaking news: > Fegmaniax subscriber Steve Schiavo has posted a > thought, rather than > a link. More on this story as it develops.... Eb, Where is the link leading to the story??? Herbie np -> "ambulance" Blur (Think Tank June 2003) ===== - --------------------------------------------- Rebuilding my websight: http://www34.brinkster.com/bflomidy/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 20:16:36 -0600 From: steve Subject: Oscar winner out (perhaps) on DVD 4/15 Disney has mumbled about a wide release should it win, but Spirited Away will probably be out on DVD on April 15. Castle In The Sky (Laputa) and Kiki's Delivery Service surely will be. http://www.spiritualityhealth.com/newsh/items/moviereview/item_5116.html - - Steve __________ The Constitution just sets minimums, most of the rights that you enjoy go way beyond what the Constitution requires. - Antonin Scalia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 19:21:38 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: gnatmaniax x 3 First of all... yay! Kay is back!! Thanks for the info on "The Cuckoo" (or "The Coo-Coo Bird" or whatever). If I have some spare time maybe I'll try to compile a full list of versions. I found out Dylan did one, too. Anyway, I went to see the Minders for the zillionth time on Friday. The show was kind of sloppy because they were playing new songs (which are good, but no departure) and they haven't played out for a while. I asked "Martin Leper" if my band could open for them, and he said yes, in the summer. I asked for a band name and he said he'd think about it. He revealed that Robert Schneider thought that the Minders should be called "the Wee People." This may possibly be one of the worst band names I've ever heard. On Saturday, my bandmate, the improbably-named Jack Saturn, and I went to see Iron & Wine do an in-store performance. I believe I gushed about I&W briefly in another post, but I'll reiterate - they (or rather he, it's really one guy, Sam Beam by name) sound like Nick Drake steeped in country and blues and then recorded on a murky 4-track, making it sound like a field recording. It's beautiful, mesmerizng music. So anyway, Beam and co. were about an hour late due to traffic, so I read Magnet amidst a large crowd of indie-rock types who didn't seem like a typical audience for that kind of music. Finally, Beam showed up - a small, stocky guy with very close-cropped hair and a big, neatly-trimmed beard, wearing a shirt that said "Bahama Mama" on it. He was accompanied by a bearded hippie-ish guy who played slide guitar, a slight blonde woman who was introduced as Beam's sister Sarah and sang backing vocals, and a little bearded guy who was "one of our drummers" and helped with sound. Beam has the most beautiful guitar - - a small Gibson acoustic with a cutaway and inlaid mother-of-pearl stars all down the neck and around the bridge. He finger-picked with his thumb and forefinger only, which I've never seen anyone do before, and allowed him to thump the guitar with his other fingers to provide percussion. The songs were especially lovely having been freed from the layers of 4-track mud that accompanies them on record. Though I confess that it was all so low-key that I felt my eyes drifting shut once or twice. After the performance I gave Beam a slightly crumpled tinfoil Horned God - he seemed a bit confused but thanked me politely. I asked if his guitar was custom-made and he said, "No!" in a rather surprised tone, adding that he had bought it cheap. My bandmate decided to pass on the I&W show that night, but I wanted to go, especially as Jane the Timeline Chick said she was going to go (in her Minus 5 shirt, possibly?). She wasn't there, but I did spot the estimable and very, very hot Colin Meloy, the guy who organized the Robyn tribute night lo these many moons ago, and James Mercer from the Shins was also "in da house." The first opening band was a blatant Will Oldham rip-off - sample lyric: "There's a light that shines on me like the Holy Ghost." OK. The second band is pretty well-known around here, Norfolk and Western - they did low-key alt-country that pleased me at first but caused my mind to wander after a while. Iron & Wine had expanded their membership and now included TWO drummers, who sometimes traded off while the other played guitar or bass, and sometimes played at the same time. This was a very welcome addition to the mellow music - sometimes the band got positively *loud*. They played a lot of stuff that wasn't on the album - apparently Beam has a huge back-catalogue of unrecorded songs - and all of it was great. I was sort of curious as to why Beam's sister was along for the ride - she sang maybe two lines of nearly-inaudible backing vocals per song, and the rest of the time she danced absent-mindedly around her corner of the stage. Once she played tambourine. How did they justify her presence to I&W's label, Sub Pop, I wonder? Anyway, the crowd was very respectful, and once, after I&W's magnum opus "Upward Over the Mountain," a guy shouted, "That was beautiful!" Beam lived up to his surname, smiling through his thick beard, and shyly said, "Thanks a lot!" I didn't feel exactly blown away after the show - it takes a band with a bit more fire to do that for me - but I was really happy I went. the end. n. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 22:57:31 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: gnatmaniax x 3 Quoting Natalie Jane : > He finger-picked with his thumb and forefinger only, which I've never seen anyone do before Well, that's how I play if I'm not using a pick - but then, that's only because I'm too lame and clumsy to actually use the other fingers... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 17:57:37 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Feg (traditional) musical and peace recommendations Pythia wrote:>She brings us glad tidings >And tells us no lies Welcome Pythia! We could do with an oracle here from time to time... indeed you are right - my faulty memory strikes again. But there are mild lyrical differences to the Pentangle version anyway - she sings as she flies in that version, rather than warbling or wobbling. Kay wrote: >I have returned. and a very warm welcome back to you! Hope that whatever reason you left the list for has righted itself to your satisfaction. >But not always. Except occaisionally there are small outbreaks of peace and >progress, moments of grace in history. How do they happen? What brings them >about? >Has anyone studied peace as feverently as war is studied? What are the >factors involved? Is there a basic pattern that can be emulated? very good question. Sme universities have departments of Peace Studies, but I don't know what sort of research goes on in them. I know a number of people who study the psychology of intergroup conflict (not coincidentally, the researcher here at Otago whose work deals most with this was born in Belfast!). But whether many study peace, I don't know. I suspect its a figure-and-ground type thing. Researchers tend to occupy themselves with the causes of war and see peace simply as an absence of war, rather than occupying themselves with the subject of peace and looking on war as a breakdown of that peace. >James, I know there is a peace flag. Is there a justice and mercy flag as >well? Do you ever fly it? Unless you count the flag of the International Court of Justice (which I don't think is that respected by many of those involved in the current conflict) I don't know of one. John Lennon had the idea of the international flag, which was simply an empty flagpole. I have seen some people use the Tibetan flag to represent peace, although this has a particular meaning that seems tro override this alternative meaning. I've also seen "The earth flag" used, which is midnight blue with a picture of the Earth taken from space on it. I'm very tempted to create a flag of peace, justice and mercy though... But it would have to be completely different from any national, regional or organisational flag. I'd be tempted to follow John Lennon's lead, and make it an 'empty field', but to do it in a practical way as a sheet of clear plastic or gauze, on which I would put a golden rayed sun (not yellow, metallic gold). The other option would be to use some form of reflective or iridescent fabric. Hmmm... James now flying - the unofficial flag of Otago (quartered deep blue and yellow) - - it's Otago Anniversary day James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 08:09:40 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Fwd: Re: Beer. During the recent debate where all fegs claimed that their nation's beer was the greatest I mailed my sister to enlist her help in deciding the matter. As fate would have it she is in NZ and will be heading to SF for a few weeks. I have given her a list of list recommended beers. The first report is from NZ: > >Hello Mr B, >This is a good mission to be on! I'm still in NZ, and so far I've >particularly enjoyed Speights, DB Draught, Mac's Black, Export Gold, & >Monteith's Black (although I had to sleep after two of those in the >afternoon!). There are loads of others but their names are escaping me >now... >I haven't come across Emersons yet, but I will keep looking.... > >I'll see what I can do in San Fran - I'll be there on the 10th April >Love Sarah. _________________________________________________________________ Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=186&DI=1059 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:04:16 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: gnatmaniax x 3 > Quoting Natalie Jane : > > He finger-picked with his thumb and forefinger only, which I've never seen > anyone do before > On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Well, that's how I play if I'm not using a pick - but then, that's only > because I'm too lame and clumsy to actually use the other fingers... Known to blues fans as the Rev. Gary Davis picking style, I think. "Your forefinger and your thumb -- that's the striking hand, and your left hand is your leading hand. Your left hand tells your right hand what strings to touch, what changes to make. That's the greatest help! You see, one hand can't do without the other." Used on 'Candy Man', 'Cocaine', 'Baby let me follow you down' and other favourites popularised by the Rev. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:33:32 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Great American Beer Well, found that my local beer specialists do indeed sell Anchor Steam, so decided to experiment, despite the terrifyingly small bottle (350ml or thereabouts). Very good indeed, quite an unusual taste, perhaps just slightly fizzier than usual bottled beer (which is fizzier than draught). I don't know that drinking beer that is more travelled than I am is too great an idea... the other beers consumed yesterday were Fuller's Porter (from Chiswick) and Hook Norton Double Stout (from Hook Norton). Cheers! BeerMatt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's fast, it's easy and it's free! Click here to download MSN Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:38:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Please report any suspicious looking wallies On Sat, 22 Mar 2003, James Dignan wrote: > A wally is a prat. A bit of a norman. A schlemiel. My recollection is that this dates from the Weeley pop festival of whenever (Commander Lang, help!). A group of fans gathered in the crowd around a banner which read "Wally from Weeley". Soon there were appeals across the PA for Wally to contact the Release tent, or the organisers' booth, or the veggieburger stall etc. People started to shout "Wally" at any hippie who looked confused or lost. Hence 'Wally' = a bemused hippie. This usage rapidly spread nationwide. I'd be glad for confirmation or rebuttal of this piece of folklore. - - Mike Godwin n.p. The Fish Cheer ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 07:09:32 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: If you know mp3s For those who haven't heard it yet, "If You Know Time" seems to have been put up in mp3 format in the files section of the YahooGroups... http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Vibrating/files/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 11:33:29 -0500 From: Eric Loehr Subject: Ebay/Paypal question (0%RH) Fegs, Are there any experienced Ebay/Paypal users out there? I won an auction (if you must know, for an old Jack Bruce CD -- not one of the about to be reissued ones) and tried to pay using Paypal, which I've done many times before. The seller says he can't accept a direct payment by credit card through Paypal but can take a transfer of funds from the my Paypal account to his. I don't carry a balance on my Paypal account -- I just use a credit card to send the exact amount. The seller says he's only got a personal account and can't accept the payment because it came from my credit card -- but isn't that the whole point of Paypal -- being able to send $$ to anyone with an email address and an account? I don't see why it matters on his end how the money got into my account. One of us doesn't understand how this works -- it could well be me -- anybody out there have any insight? Please feel free to reply off-list (or on if you think others might be interested.) merci beaucoups Eric (running the risk of using non-freedomspeak) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #108 ********************************