From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #101 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, March 17 2003 Volume 12 : Number 101 Today's Subjects: ----------------- humourlessness [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] Beers I have loved ["Matt Sewell" ] Re: beer! ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: beer! [Ken Weingold ] Re: beer! ["Mike Wells" ] Re: beer! [Ken Weingold ] Re: beer! [Michael R Godwin ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #99 [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #99 [Christopher Gross ] There's a tear in my beer... ["Rex.Broome" ] ELIXIRS & REMEDIES Screening -- Tonight! ["kris.kristensen@scotopiapictur] Re: reap (300 feet...nice one!) [Capuchin ] Spin, spin, spin, you self-serving ass.... [Eb ] More Beer! [Tom Clark ] life isn't all beer and chocolate, you kno [grutness@surf4nix.com (James ] breaking news ["Roberta Cowan" ] Re: humourlessness with a cone of chips ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Let's see here... 48 hours... that means... ["Rex.Broome" ] on beer and our sudden wealth [Jill Brand ] bizarre spam [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Something important--beer ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: bizarre spam [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:51:48 +0000 (GMT) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: humourlessness Oooops! That would be American *Literature*. But you lot can't spell anyway ;-) Joe Does anyone else here know the work of Chris Butler, formerly the kingpin of The Waitresses? I've just got his highly Hitchcockian new one, Museum Of Me, recorded on various obsolete machines (wire, wax cylinder etc.). There's a lot of XTC in there as well. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:54:46 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Beers I have loved Mmm... Butcombe - the beer they serve in the wonderful (if a little spit-and-sawdust) Rifleman's Arms at the foot of Glastonbury Tor... delicious... Wadworths - a landmark on our trips down the A361, but I must say I've never been that struck by 6x... a very ordainary ale as far as I'm concerned - quite like the IPA but don't often see it. Theakstons is much better up North, especially OP - a great beer for hangovers! Marston's Pedigree is pretty widely available over here - I can't say it's one of my faves, though. Hook Norton still going strong - not so keen on Old Hooky, but their Haymaker was particularly fine. Yesterday saw me in The Bull at Stanford Dingley, one of the pubs closest to heaven imo, drinking fantastic Good Old Boy and Skiff beers by the West Berks Brewery... Anyway, must go and er, drink some beer! Matt >From: Michael R Godwin >Butcombe - >Wadworths of Devizes. The 6X the IPA. > >Theakstons - but as I say, beware of the Old Peculier > >Before I eased back on consumption, Marstons Pedigree was my regular >drink. It was reckoned to be an endangered species but it still seems to be extant: > > >Matt, are the Hook Norton people still in business? - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay in touch with absent friends. Download MSN Messenger for FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:07:47 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: beer! > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:07:33 -0600 > From: "Brian Huddell" > > the only good American beer I ever saw in London was Liberty Ale... Yay beer! I love everything Anchor brews. My favorite is the hard-to-find and unbelievably delicious Old Foghorn barley wine. Thick, rich, creamy and a very, very high alcohol content to boot. And they have Old Foghorn on tap at the Bulldog in New Orleans on Magazine Street -- where I will be next week. I will be staying around the corner from the Bulldog (which I happen to know opens at 2:00 p.m.) chugging pints of Foghorn and Abita's own barley wine, TurboGator, till I forget my name. Then it's off to eat charbroiled oysters and deep-fried soft-shell crabs. Yes indeedy. I think barley wine is my favorite (it's probably not technically a beer, right?). But I am partial to the English beers -- Young's Old Nick and chocolate stout, Boddington's, and I'll drink anything in a Sam Adams bottle. . Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:29:08 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: beer! On Mon, Mar 17, 2003, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > I love everything Anchor brews. My favorite is the hard-to-find and > unbelievably delicious Old Foghorn barley wine. Thick, rich, creamy and a very, > very high alcohol content to boot. Anchor is great, yeah. They make an absolutely wonderful porter. At a bar in Brooklyn I think last year Anchor had a promo night thing. I ended up with a pewter Anchor belt buckle (really nice, but I don't wear them) and titanium Anchor bottle opener. Now THAT'S cool! - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:37:42 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: beer! Ken: > Anchor is great, yeah. They make an absolutely wonderful porter. At > a bar in Brooklyn I think last year Anchor had a promo night thing. I > ended up with a pewter Anchor belt buckle (really nice, but I don't > wear them) and titanium Anchor bottle opener. Now THAT'S cool! Are you sure the belt buckle isn't also a bottle opener? You know, stick the bottle down there, latch on underneath and give a quick yank... Um, never mind... Michael "twist-offs are much easier on the libido" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:38:16 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: beer! On Mon, Mar 17, 2003, Mike Wells wrote: > Ken: > > Anchor is great, yeah. They make an absolutely wonderful porter. At > > a bar in Brooklyn I think last year Anchor had a promo night thing. I > > ended up with a pewter Anchor belt buckle (really nice, but I don't > > wear them) and titanium Anchor bottle opener. Now THAT'S cool! > > Are you sure the belt buckle isn't also a bottle opener? You know, stick the > bottle down there, latch on underneath and give a quick yank... Hmm. I think that's the Anchor buttplug. I passed on that one. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:39:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: beer! On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > I think barley wine is my favorite (it's probably not technically a beer, > right?). Yes, it's a beer. See the interesting website at This website refers to imperial stouts up to 20% ABV. Gug! It furthermore states that beer tax in the US does not take strength into account - how weird! It sadly confirms that Thomas Hardy Ale has been discontinued. Barley wine used to be advertised over here under the slogan "Strong as a double Scotch and less than half the price". I have a feeling that those kind of slogans are not allowed under the current code. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:46:00 -0600 (CST) From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #99 On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com wrote: > > but I think the States have > > done quite well for themselves these last 227 years. > I agree. My degree was in English and American Literaturte, and I'm > coming over to New Orleans soon (again), to the Jazz and Heritage Fest, > the Ponderosa Stomp and to the Cramps at the Shim Sham Club. That > doesn't mean the US hasn't got faults. Not the least of them being a > tendency to get a little po-faced on the vapours of patriotism. Hasn't this gone on long enough (he said, continuing it)? I would say that first thing is, distinguish between anti-Americanism and being opposed (fairly or not) to policies of the US government. I could add a third distinction: many people worldwide might be opposed to the government, and pissed off at the cultural imperialism evinced by Hollywood et al.'s ramming its prefab products down the world's throats...and still have no beef with individual Americans, and indeed still recognize the many cultural products of worth Americans have produced. C. Joe is definitely onto something with his last sentence (although I had to ask a rotten-toothed, limp-wristed, wombat-carcass -collecting Brit what "po-faced" meant)...which I've always considerd somewhat ironic, in that for most countries, patriotism might make some sort of sense, in that the people, language, culture, etc. have inhabited and evolved in the same land over centuries. But everyone in the US is an immigrant (Native Americans excepted - and how many of them still live in traditional ways?), and if anything unifies our country, it's essentially a philosophical perspective as embodied in our founding documents...which explicitly include *eveyone* regardless of nationality under a rubric of universal humanity. So US patriotism is particularly obnoxious, when used offensively (as opposed to merely being proud that, say, some same set of traditions produced a Jefferson, a Douglass, an Ives, and a Dylan), since all those rights etc. belong to all. The idiots hollering about American superiority, and that it therefore entails 800-pound gorilla behavior, are not only obnoxious but profoundly *unpatriotic* in any true reading of the word in an American context. Even at our best, however, we sometimes lose sight of other cultures and other viewpoints - in part because there's so much variety here, but too often from sheer shortsightedness. Anyway, my two cents from the land of Fuck International Law (sadly), - --Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html ::Once he forgot what city he was in and saw an honor guard of four ::men marching toward him on the sidewalk, going from their guard duty ::to their barracks, and they carried rifles with fixed bayonets and ::wore embroidered tunics, pleated skirts and pompom slippers and he ::knew he wasn't in Milwaukee. --Don DeLillo, _Mao II_ np: Tom Waits _Mule Variations_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:50:39 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #99 On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com wrote: > > > "Americans are just beardless Taliban." Yeah, nice satire, that -- free > > > of all the subtlety and wit of un-nice satire. > > Well, if you cheat, and rob it of all context as you have done, yes. > But that's not how Matt put it, is it now? You could probably defuse > the wittiest satire ever if you employed this dishonest technique. Dishonest? Well, I didn't deliberately cheat, though of course I have no way of proving that. And I don't think my words were misleading at all, deliberately or otherwise. I was going on my memory when I wrote the above; but if you want to make an issue of it, let's check the archives. In we see that Matt wrote: "I was thinking the other day that many Americans seem to like to drive big 4-wheel-drive vehicles and carry guns, and some of them seem a little intolerant towards other peoples' beliefs... stick beards on them and you've got the Taliban!" So, I see that I forgot he said "many Americans," instead of just "Americans." That gives his words a much milder tone than I remembered. Other than that, I don't see anything misleading about my paraphrase. (At most, it's exaggerated a bit for satirical effect....) As for the missing context, I don't think it makes any difference (it's not like his joke was a direct response to anything anyone else had posted); but interested readers can check and judge for themselves. > > > BTW, British men are all either football hooligans, inbred aristocrats > > > or sadistic headmasters. > > Yeah. And...? So you're not offended? Good ... because I was, after all, using a deliberately silly example in a weak attempt at humor. Congratulations on failing to be offended. The Taliban crack was a good deal more offensive; the more so as I fear that some Europeans honestly believe it. Not that I'm mad at Matt; quite the contrary. And I don't think Matt *really* believes we are a bunch of beardless Taliban, not that makes it less annoying. > The whole point is that I, and many other Brits, don't > mind this sort of stuff. You don't mind offensive stereotypes? Good. Hopefully we won't have to hold you to that. > I'm Scottish by birth. My father was Scottish. I know England's > failings well (and Scotland's) that's why I don't go around saluting > the flag and getting uppity about perceived insults when someone > disses my country(ies). and later > > but I think the States have > > done quite well for themselves these last 227 years. > > I agree. My degree was in English and American Literaturte, and I'm > coming over to New Orleans soon (again), to the Jazz and Heritage > Fest, the Ponderosa Stomp and to the Cramps at the Shim Sham Club. > That doesn't mean the US hasn't got faults. I'd call this an unfair characterization of the Quail's attitude and mine. (Much more unfair than, and just as context-free as, my paraphrase of Matt's anti-American joke, which so upset you.) No one is getting upset because someone pointed out a few of America's failings, as you claim. It's things like being called a nation of near-Taliban that got on our nerves. There's a difference between criticism and tossing insults. (BTW, sorry for putting words in your beak, Quail!) > Interesting to note Robyn's attitude to America. Perhaps you ought to > send him a pompous e-mail slapping him down. What exactly is Robyn's attitude to America, please? He thinks we're all a bunch of Taliban? - --Chris np: Clannad 2 ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:23:01 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: There's a tear in my beer... Michael: >>Anyone else East of the Rockies remember what it was like to see Coors back >>in the 70's? Sadly I only remember this as a plot point (in the loosest sense of the term) from "Smokey and the Bandit". Too late for me to catch up on the beer talk, but hey, I sure like the good beers from the US and UK in equal measure m'self. d find some incredibly cheap Bass at the grocery story yesterday... seems they're making a real bid for mainstreaming in the US. Not a bad thing, really. And I think I'll have to pick up a big ol' Sam Smith Oatmeal Stout on the way home. Can't get too crazy, though... one of the disadvantages of having one's young daughter's birthday be Saint Patrick's Day. Things could swing the other way when she's a bit older, though. - -Rex, shouting lager lager lager lager... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:18:53 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: beer! My favorite kind of beer is..."free." Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:26:16 -0500 From: "kris.kristensen@scotopiapictures.com" (by way of noam tchotchke ) Subject: ELIXIRS & REMEDIES Screening -- Tonight! Elixirs & Remedies Screening in Seattle - March 12, 2003 Monday March 17, 2003 7:00pm THE A-V CLUB: ELIXIRS & REMEDIES The inaugural installment of TheWarrenReport's funky/dorky tribute to the marriage of music and image. Tonight's main attraction: Elixirs & Remedies, Kris Kristensen's cinematic interpretation of a recent Robyn Hitchcock/Grant Lee Phillips concert tour. "The music is top notch and would make fans squeal with delight. ELIXIRS & REMEDIES is a tonic for fans of these two talented musicians." - -- The Tablet "You'd be a sucker to miss this." - -- The Stranger Kristensen's music video for the R.E.M. song Life & How To Live It will kick off the evening. The short won the 1998 Silver Medal at the Emerald City Awards. Kristensen is also the producer behind the award winning short film White Face and the producer/director of the recently completed Inheritance . The director will be present at the screening. Admission: FREE! The Rendezvous' Jewel Box Theatre 2320 2nd Ave, Seattle, WA Click here for a special bonus track not seen in the finished film http://www.scotopiapictures.com/Films/filmsglh.html. If you wish to be removed from this mailing list, please hit reply and be sure to write: REMOVE - in the subject header and be sure to include your email address. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:57:26 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: reap (300 feet...nice one!) On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Eb wrote: > 'COPS' Producer Falls Off Cliff, Missing > > Stojanovich, the executive producer whose home is in Portland, was also > an honorary Special Reserve Officer for the Beaverton Police Department, > said Beaverton Officer Mark Hyde. Just so you know, I went to a meeting of a computer crime group here a few months back and it appeared as though the Beaverton and Hillsboro Police Departments will gladly make just about anyone a "Special Reserve Officer" if you sign a couple of papers and buy one of their black vests. J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:46:57 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Spin, spin, spin, you self-serving ass.... From a press release, regarding Moore's important (?) work shooting a System of a Down video: "The strangest thing about this impending war is that the people -- the REAL majority who make up the population of this country and the world -- do not truly want to go to war," said Michael Moore, self-appointed savior of the Common Man. "Watching the news, you would never know that millions have been out there proposing a different solution -- one that does not involve the slaughter of innocents." What news is HE watching??? I see anti-war demonstrations, every time I turn it on. Eb (OK, OK...I added that "self-appointed...Common Man part ;P) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:14:56 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: More Beer! This thread flew by a little too fast for me, but I just wanted to add a little about the great Belgian beers. I toured the country back in '96 and had the opportunity to sample some great stuff. Rodenbach, gueuze, Blanche de Brugge, all the Trappist ales. Pure heaven. I even went so far as to smuggle back an entire case from Abbey Westvleteren, complete with wooden carrying case. The stuff is only officially sold at the Abbey, but you can find it in limited quantities outside the country. U.S. beers? Sierra Nevada can do no wrong, same with Anchor. Red Hook ESB is still good, as is the original Sam Adams. I caution you though - stay away from Sam Adams Light - AAAAAAGH!!! I much preferred their old light entry, Lightship. It only lasted a few years, but it was the only light beer I could ever stomach. The Ommegang brewery on Cooperstown, NY makes some nice Belgian style ales. They're readily available here in Sillycone Valley, so I assume their distribution is pretty widespread. - -tc, who had a fabulous Chimay Triple last week... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:51:26 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: life isn't all beer and chocolate, you kno the (only) good thing to come out of the Quail vs Crowbar dialogues was a discussion on the merits of beer and chocolate. >Now, saying US beer is better than English beer, now *that's* funny! hell, you don't call what the US and UK have *beer* do you? Belgium, Germany, various parts of eastern Europe, Australia, South Africa, and New Zealand make beer. And here in NZ we accepted Lister's unspoken challenge, with the successful marketing of beer-flavoured ice cream. Okay, I'll accept, microbrewers do make beer in the US and UK, and there is one (only one, mind you) major Brit beer that I don't mind. But, as Graeme Downes sang: "I love that imported German beer, they know how to make it over there". >*cool* beer (not ice cold) this is something that always startles me about kiwi comments on UK beer. "They serve it warm! Bleagh!" But British beers tend to be much yeastier than kiwi ales and lagers. And as such, to serve them chilled kills them. Different type of beer, different way of presenting it. But they should at least be cool. Quail, surely you aren't serious about better candy in the US? You need to try British chocolates. Cadbury's knocks the snot out of every US confectionery I've tried (with the possible exception of those Reeces peanut thingies. Mmmmmm...). And here in Dunedin we're spoilt, having Cadbury's biggest southern hemisphere factory in the centre of the city. It means Dunedin is used as the guinea-pig for new varieties, hot out of the presses, as it were. >No it isn't. Have you tried calling any of your Irish (or Scottish, >or Welsh) friends "English"? It's a different country! Oscar Wilde, Flann >O'Brian and James Joyce wouldn't thank you for calling them English >either. nor George Bernard Shaw, W.B.Yeats, Oliver Goldsmith, or Sean O'Casey for that matter. >Matt, celebrating St Paddy's, being a *whole quarter* Irish..! James (whose O'Duigenan ancestors were from Co.Roscommon) PS - make mine a Emerson's Porter, thanks PPS - Belgium. Land of good beer and great chocolate. Maybe I'll have to reappraise my thoughts on the place... James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:20:45 -0500 From: "Roberta Cowan" Subject: breaking news According to thesoftboys.com: "As of March 2003, Robyn has left the Soft Boys, the pressure of being in the band and managing it having gotten to be too much, and the bulk of the reunion project being complete, anyway. So there won't be any further gigs... " I guess it means that Marc's report from London has been officially substantiated. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:23:21 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: humourlessness with a cone of chips Michael R Godwin wrote: > > The only people who have real full-scale beer are the Trappist monks in > Belgium. I guess you've never tried Scottish New Year Ale. The weak stuff is 9.6% alcohol. The strong stuff needs to be drunk from sherry glasses. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:29:54 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: breaking news >From: "Roberta Cowan" >Subject: breaking news >Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:20:45 -0500 > >According to thesoftboys.com: "As of March 2003, Robyn has left the Soft >Boys, the pressure of being in the band and managing it having gotten to be >too much, and the bulk of the reunion project being complete, anyway. So >there >won't be any further gigs... " Gee, I am glad I got my Fillmore poster signed. Aside from that selfish statement, I am very sorry to hear this. Knowing Robyn, I think the future is worth looking forward to. Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:31:37 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Let's see here... 48 hours... that means... Woo hoo! Looks like I get WAR for my birthday! This is not shaping up as a wonderful week, lemme tell ya. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 18:54:25 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Something important--beer >They don't have beer in the US, just that bottom fermented stuff which >tastes like hamster piss (sorry, Amstel Pils) only not quite as vigorous. >The only people who have real full-scale beer are the Trappist monks in >Belgium. One sip of that and you're so dumbstruck that you don't need to >take a vow of silence. {MRG} You need to come here and try a decent US beer, not that crap that they mass-produce for people who wouldn't know the difference between a good beer and mouthwash (just make sure you serve it to them cold enough to have ice crystals forming in it). Granted, most of the brew styles are borrowed those found in Europe, but there are some great hand-crafted or micro-brewed ales, lagers, porters, and stouts available locally--they still don't have the knack for a great bitter, at least not that I've found. Most Americans still wind up buying that bland piss-water you were mentioning, but screw them. That just leaves more of the good stuff for me. I totally agree on the Belgian brews. I usually keep a bottle or two of Chimay around. Great stuff. Orval and Corsendonk are really good. Lindeman's lambics are interesting, too. Recommended US beers--Anchor Steam, Anchor Porter, Dixie Blackened Voodoo, Pete's Wicked Lager, 8th Avenue Kilt Lifter (from a brew pub near my house), Sam Adams Cream Stout, Pete's Wicked Red, Pike, Portland, Cooper's, Celis, Full Sail, Sierra Nevada, Gordon Biersch, Pyramid, Oregon, Big Rock, Stone, J. J. Dunwoodie, Weeping Radish, etc., etc. A lot of these are only available regionally in the US, but are worth looking for. Well, now I need to get out to the store. I only have a bottle of "Skullsplitter" Orkney Ale in the 'fridge, and I'm having cravings for a tasty Belgian beer. Later, Marc The fact of the matter is, I'm fucking brilliant. Not 'was' brilliant. 'Am' brilliant. Pete Townshend ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:35:04 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: on beer and our sudden wealth Sebastian wrote: "I know I'll risk alienating all others here, but I don't think very highly of either US or UK beers. Samuel Adams is OK and I had a few other beers in New York that were drinkable, but *all* of them lacked depth in taste. As for British beer, the only one I *really* liked was something called "... cream ale". The bitters and stouts and lagers didn't do much for me. Granted, I had only about 5 different ones." Sebastian, darling, you can drink as many American or UK microbrewed beers as are offered to you, but ain't none of them gonna be as good as the most ordinary beer in Germany. Really. Germany spoils one for life when it comes to three of the major food groups: beer, bread, and chocolate. I still remember when my husband first landed in the States (24 years ago - oh my God) and my father gave him a Miller to drink (I know that there are lots better American beers than Miller). Thomas took a gulp, paused, and said, "It's nice. It's not beer, but it's nice." Here he drinks Beck (though I occasionally talk him into Harpoon IPA), but he is happiest at home. And as for riches inconceivable, did I understand our President correctly. In his speech, which my son forced me to watch because he had to watch it for school, he told the Iraqi military not to destroy the oil fields because "those fields belong to the Iraqi people." Does logic dare to bring me to the conclusion that Bush's oil fields are therefore my oil fields and your oil fields (well, only if you are a proud Yank like myself)? Are Exxon Mobil and Sunoco being given over to some national trust? Yippee! Jill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:47:28 +1200 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: bizarre spam I just received the most bizarre spam I think I have yet received. It was a typical religious zeal type message with the exception of the fact that the main thrust of the message was that - with a potential WWIII just round the corner - we will all burn in Hell if the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin is not destroyed. File under weird-loopy. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 21:58:29 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Something important--beer >From: "Marc Holden" >Dixie Blackened Voodoo mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Blackened Voodoo. mmmmmmm beer, MMMMMMMMAX _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 19:22:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: bizarre spam James Dignan wrote: > I just received the most bizarre spam I think I have yet > received. It was a typical religious zeal type message with > the exception of the fact that the main thrust of the message > was that - with a potential WWIII just round the corner - we > will all burn in Hell if the Brandenburg Gate in Berlin is not > destroyed. > > File under weird-loopy. I was going to make some smart ass remark about how if yoiu destroy the Brandenburg Gate, you can either get a cheaper mortgage of 3-4 more inches of cock (sorry, c0ck), but I'm too tired to think of what the right phrasing should be so fuck it. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! 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