From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #99 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, March 17 2003 Volume 12 : Number 099 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: www.boring3d.com ["Gene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Name one female jazz drummer (and more anti-Americanism...) [crowbar.joe@] Re: Name one female jazz drummer [Nur R Gale ] "humorlessness" and not "humourlessness"? [Christopher Gross ] Re: "humorlessness" and not "humourlessness"? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] All that jazz... ["Matt Sewell" ] reap (300 feet...nice one!) [Eb ] RE: reap (300 feet...nice one!) ["FS Thomas" ] Re: humourlessness with a cone of chips [Jon Fetter ] Re: reap (300 feet...nice one!) [Tom Clark ] Re: humourlessness with a cone of chips [gshell@metronet.com] Robyn solo in Spain... ["Michael Wells" ] Re: humourlessness with a cone of chips [Michael R Godwin ] RE: humourlessness with a cone of chips ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: humourlessness with a cone of chips [Michael R Godwin ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:29:48 -0600 From: "Gene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: www.boring3d.com >From: Steve Talkowski >Subject: www.boring3d.com > >methinks a few fegs might enjoy the imagery on this site: > >http://www.boring3d.com/daily_archive.htm Wow. Quick, somebody give those folks $200M and let them make a movie. That would be so cool. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:48:21 +0000 (GMT) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Name one female jazz drummer (and more anti-Americanism...) I'd second Susie Ibarra. Lenny Kravitz's stickswoman (Cindy Blackman) has released some creditable jazz stuff (I almost forgive her for playing with such a charlatan). Marilyn Mazur has played with Miles D, Wayne Shorter and Gil Evans. Sue Evans also played with the aforementioned Gil. But my favourite is Terri Lynne Carrington who I saw playing with Herbie Hancock a couple of years back. She had everything - power, finesse, invention. Are there any other jazz fans on the list? Just been to see McCoy Tyner, who seems to have lost a bit in his right hand, but is still a master of dynamics. 'Twas a delight. Seeing Shorter at the end of the month. Wonderful American artistes all... Good enough, Quail? You know, you never seem to seem to credit the many, many times that American culture (and I use the term in its broadest sense), is praised on the list by 'aliens' (no, not that thread...); but start bleating and flapping at any perceived slight from the 'Commonwealth' and 'Mother Country'. That old, national inferiority complex rearing its head again, eh? Crowbar Joe Oh. And Luxor's not half bad either. Some very nice, 'genuine' blues-playing on it. Another of my favourite American-originated idioms. He's previously used it as a parodic tool, it seems to me; but here it sounds more heartfelt - and his slide-guitar playing is really rather good. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 09:11:05 -0800 From: Nur R Gale Subject: Re: Name one female jazz drummer Marilyn Mazur! Perhaps more of a percussionist though. She replaced Nana Vasconcellos in Jan Garbarek's quartet in the mid-90s. She is bandmaster of her own euro-jazz group, Future Song, with other norwegian jazz artists -- including trumpeter Nils Petter Molvaer, guitarist Eyvind Aarset, Auden Klieve (from Terje Rypdal's band the Chasers), etc. She is highly sought after in German and Scandinavian jazz circles. nur ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 12:23:06 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: "humorlessness" and not "humourlessness"? > >Face it, the American mainstream media -- and sadly, much of the > >public (though not as much of the public as the volume of the > >noise would seem to indicate, of course) -- at the moment in is > >at it's most banally self-adoring, so it's only natural that > >there would be a overreaction by many in the other direction. > >'Overreaction'? I thought Mr Sewell's Texiban comment was a nice little >bit of satire. But, being a Brit, I would say that... "Americans are just beardless Taliban." Yeah, nice satire, that -- free of all the subtlety and wit of un-nice satire. I can't *imagine* why Quail might have mistaken this satire for anti-American bigotry. BTW, British men are all either football hooligans, inbred aristocrats or sadistic headmasters. Hee hee! Satire is fun. - --Chris "Okay, at this point you're abusing sarcasm." --Buffy ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:37:43 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: "humorlessness" and not "humourlessness"? Quoting Christopher Gross : > "Americans are just beardless Taliban." Yeah, nice satire, that -- free > of all the subtlety and wit of un-nice satire. I can't *imagine* why > Quail might have mistaken this satire for anti-American bigotry. > > BTW, British men are all either football hooligans, inbred aristocrats > or sadistic headmasters. I thought that satire usually involves some exaggeration of the truth. ..Jeff, shootin' his gun, drivin' his SUV, and wavin' his flag J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make np: _Tempted: Jenny Toomey Sings the Songs of Franklin Bruno_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:48:18 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: "humorlessness" and not "humourlessness"? Christopher: > BTW, British men are all either football hooligans, inbred aristocrats or > sadistic headmasters. Or Sting. A fairly convincing argument could be brought that the story of Sting's career is the story of England...once small, edgy, and interesting, evolving to a world-influencing entity before collapsing in a morass of bickering, meaningless self-involvement and general wussiness. > Hee hee! Satire is fun. Satire? Michael "or we could do one for Roger Waters" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:02:13 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: "humorlessness" and not "humourlessness"? On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > I thought that satire usually involves some exaggeration of the truth. And you're right; but not every exaggeration makes for good satire. (Nor can every exaggeration be exonerated of the charge of bigotry.) I really think the effectiveness of exaggeration in humor or satire can be graphed on a bell curve. Too little, and your audience doesn't see the joke; too much, and your humor/satire becomes too heavy-handed to work. Michael, your Sting analogy could have caused me to buy a new keyboard, if I hadn't put down my drink just beofre I read it. - --Chris (who owns a flag, has driven his father's SUV a couple of times, and did surprisingly well when he visited a shooting range back in '97) np: Einsturzende Neubauten, "Ende Neu" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 14:15:29 -0500 From: Subject: Re: humorlessness with a side order of fuckwit fries The always reasonable and increasingly more charming Crowbar Joe writes, > 'Overreaction'? I thought Mr Sewell's Texiban comment was a nice little bit of satire. But, being a Brit, I would say that... Well, I'm not sure that you speak for all Brits, but if you do I am even more surprised. Considering the wealth of satire that Britain has produced, I would credit you with being able to recognize the difference between an insult and satire. Satire requires a knowledge of the subject coupled with a certain sense of wit; Mr. Sewell's comment was merely yet another arrow of contempt fired for no good reason at the people of my country. It was hardly Swiftian, or even Monthy Pythonesque. More Anne Robinson, I think...? > Crowbar Joe Yes, an excellent name for yourself, as it evokes the subtle, searching quality of your intellect quite nicely. > A list of Great Britons would have followed, but I was so 'aaawwwed' by Quail's list, I decided against exposing our puny culture to ridicule... Ah....Funny story, this. My reply was in response to a comment that equated Canada to the United States, "minus the arrogance." I also backed it up by indicating that history, culture, and resources were very important for enabling great artistic expression -- in fact, I used the Germans of the European Enlightenment as an example. I was going to add another sentence, like: "This list does not mean to imply that any 'great' culture, such as Great Britain, France, China, etc., cannot produce a similar or even more extensive list." The reason I didn't do so is because I thought that anyone with two neurons to rub together would find it obvious. What is it -- the bad beer? > but start bleating and flapping at any perceived slight from the 'Commonwealth' and 'Mother Country'. That old, national inferiority complex rearing its head again, eh? Oh my God, you really can't believe that! (Not to mention that my "Mother Countries" are Ireland, Germany, Bohemia and Poland.) I admit, I am impressed that England, for such a small place, has managed to produce so many great cultural figures -- despite a long history of effette and insane royalty, psychopathic puritans, colonial apologists, artistic snobs, and Imperial mass murderers. (And I mean this even after you've subtracted the Irish, the Welsh, and the Scots from your list of artists.) But I assure you that I am happily free of any Anglo-inferiority complex. I mean, the Beatles were pretty cool and all, and there's that Robyn fellow, but I think the States have done quite well for themselves these last 227 years. (And we even have better candy and beer!) Bleating and flapping away, - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:26:12 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: "if this is freedom, you must be joking" Really Quail, I think you're taking the list and yourself a little be too seriously. I'm sure there are great things about America and indeed Americans - you don't need to keep waving that flag every time anyone says anything critical about either. I believe your government is run by a bunch of very scary, dangerous people, this doesn't mean I... Actually, I can't really be bothered. Oh, and "egads"? Do you really say this in real life? Good grief... Cheers Matt >From: The Great Quail >Luther writes, > > > "Canada: Just like the US, minus the arrogance". :) > >Exactly! Well, and minus Thomas Jefferson, >Well, you did give us Rush, David Cronenberg, and Neil Young, though. That's >cool. > >Matt Sewell writes, >When it comes to discussing the Unites States, when exactly did an awareness >of the complex nature of reality desert this list? I don't want to come >across as humorless, but really, I'd rather not see any political discussion >at all than these witless remarks that boil things down to a slogan or a >half-assed comparison. This, from people who claim to think Bush is a >simpleton? Egads! > >--Quail - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send instant messages for free with MSN Messenger. Click here to download it now! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:31:03 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Lemmy cometh! Announced about a week ago, '03 US and UK tourdates... http://www.imotorhead.com/index2.htm And it appears the May US dates, of which Chicago is one, will be co-billed with Anthrax. (!) Michael "and be sure to check out the Motorhead lyric database while you're there" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 15:04:18 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: "humorlessness" and not "humourlessness"? Christopher Gross wrote: > > BTW, British men are all either football hooligans, inbred aristocrats or > sadistic headmasters. Hee hee! Satire is fun. (can you use 'either' with three things?) I think it works better if you phrase it as: Choose one word from each list: British men are all (football | inbred | sadistic ) ( hooligans | aristocrats | headmasters ) Aren't these so much more fun: sadistic aristocrats inbred hooligans football headmasters sadistic hooligans inbred headmasters football aristocrats ? And I didn't say anything about being gay, having bad teeth, or collecting things, either. ;-) Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:07:08 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: humourlessness with a cone of chips I thought Swift was Irish, but that's just being pedantic - the idea that Americans are like the Taliban came about during a discussion I had a few days ago, with some Americans as it goes. I thought it was funny, if glib and flippant, but then I'm a big fan of glib and flippant... Now, saying US beer is better than English beer, now *that's* funny! Matt >From: Quail: It >was hardly Swiftian, or even Monthy Pythonesque. More >Anne Robinson, I think...? > >(And we even have better candy and beer!) > >Bleating and flapping away, > >--Quail - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send instant messages for free with MSN Messenger. Click here to download it now! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:25:35 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: "humorlessness" and not "humourlessness"? I think I've probably met representatives of each of these at some point! Also I think it's strange that no-one has mentioned English reserve and our non-tactile nature - for instance, I greet my mother with a brisk handshake... Anyway back to cataloguing my rotten teeth extracted from homosexuals collection - most prized, Peter Tatchell's manky molar... Cheers Matt >From: "Stewart C. Russell" >Aren't these so much more fun: > >sadistic aristocrats >inbred hooligans >football headmasters >sadistic hooligans >inbred headmasters >football aristocrats > >? > >And I didn't say anything about being gay, having bad teeth, or >collecting things, either. ;-) > > Stewart - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message your friends in real time - and for free. Get MSN Messenger today! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:28:55 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Reap Ian Samwell, composer of Cliff Richard's finest moment, Move It... Cheers Matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online - download MSN Messenger today. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:50:29 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: All that jazz... I'd say I was a jazz fan, though certainly by no means anything of an authority - quite the opposite, I only really know what I like - Monk (I'd never heard a piano being played like that), Mingus, Coltrane and his wife Alice (this may horrify jazz fans but I could almost say I prefer Alice to John...), Miles, Dave Brubeck, Gerry Mulligan... As for Luxor, I think that Idonia alone makes the album a worthy addition. Cheers Matt >From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com >Are there any other jazz fans on the list? Just been to see McCoy Tyner, who seems to have lost a bit in his right hand, but is still a master of dynamics. 'Twas a delight. Seeing Shorter at the end of the month. > >Oh. And Luxor's not half bad either. Some very nice, 'genuine' blues-playing on it. Another of my favourite American-originated idioms. He's previously used it as a parodic tool, it seems to me; but here it sounds more heartfelt - and his slide-guitar playing is really rather good. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 13:43:35 -0800 From: Eb Subject: reap (300 feet...nice one!) 'COPS' Producer Falls Off Cliff, Missing By JULIA SILVERMAN Associated Press Writer PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- The creator of the long-running reality television series "COPS" fell 300 feet from an Oregon cliff into the Pacific Ocean and was missing, police and the Coast Guard said. Paul Stojanovich, 47, and his fiancee Kim Srowel were hiking Saturday at Treasures Cove, a bluff overlooking the ocean, when he slipped while stopping to pose for a picture, said Coast Guard Petty Officer Jamie Desanno. Stojanovich grabbed a tree limb to break his fall but plummeted into the surf below, said Sgt. Mike Zimmerman of the Tillamook County Sheriff's Office. The waves were 14 to 16 feet at the time, and rain over the past week had left the trail slippery and wet. Officers searched for three hours after Srowel called 911, but they didn't find any sign of Stojanovich, Desanno said. COPS premiered on March 11, 1989, and aired its 500th episode last season. Stojanovich, the executive producer whose home is in Portland, was also an honorary Special Reserve Officer for the Beaverton Police Department, said Beaverton Officer Mark Hyde. "Paul was probably the first one to bring real police officers into your home and give people a real look at the stresses and strains that the street-level people come across, day after day, night after night," Hyde said. "He made police officers more alive." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:55:30 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: reap (300 feet...nice one!) > ...he slipped while stopping to pose for a picture "Back up, Sweetie; I want to get in the landscape. Another step...another...one more....PERFECT!" > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of Eb > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 4:44 PM > To: fgz > Subject: reap (300 feet...nice one!) > > 'COPS' Producer Falls Off Cliff, Missing > > By JULIA SILVERMAN > Associated Press Writer > > PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- The creator of the long-running reality television > series "COPS" fell 300 feet from an Oregon cliff into the Pacific Ocean > and > was missing, police and the Coast Guard said. > > Paul Stojanovich, 47, and his fiancee Kim Srowel were hiking Saturday at > Treasures Cove, a bluff overlooking the ocean, when he slipped while > stopping to pose for a picture, said Coast Guard Petty Officer Jamie > Desanno. > > Stojanovich grabbed a tree limb to break his fall but plummeted into the > surf below, said Sgt. Mike Zimmerman of the Tillamook County Sheriff's > Office. The waves were 14 to 16 feet at the time, and rain over the past > week had left the trail slippery and wet. > > Officers searched for three hours after Srowel called 911, but they didn't > find any sign of Stojanovich, Desanno said. > > COPS premiered on March 11, 1989, and aired its 500th episode last season. > > Stojanovich, the executive producer whose home is in Portland, was also an > honorary Special Reserve Officer for the Beaverton Police Department, said > Beaverton Officer Mark Hyde. > > "Paul was probably the first one to bring real police officers into your > home and give people a real look at the stresses and strains that the > street-level people come across, day after day, night after night," Hyde > said. "He made police officers more alive." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 17:47:55 -0500 From: Jon Fetter Subject: Re: humourlessness with a cone of chips It must have been that Belgian Quail. >Now, saying US beer is better than English beer, now *that's* funny! > >>(And we even have better candy and beer!) >> >Bleating and flapping away, > >--Quail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 16:45:39 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: reap (300 feet...nice one!) On 3/16/03 1:43 PM, "Eb" wrote: > 'COPS' Producer Falls Off Cliff, Missing > > By JULIA SILVERMAN > Associated Press Writer > > PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) -- The creator of the long-running reality television > series "COPS" fell 300 feet from an Oregon cliff into the Pacific Ocean and > was missing, police and the Coast Guard said. > > Paul Stojanovich, 47, and his fiancee Kim Srowel were hiking Saturday at > Treasures Cove, a bluff overlooking the ocean, when he slipped while > stopping to pose for a picture, Yeah, "slipped". The question to ask here is: was she named as the beneficiary of his multimillion dollar life insurance policy? - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 19:03:53 -0600 (CST) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: humourlessness with a cone of chips On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Matt Sewell wrote: > Now, saying US beer is better than English beer, now *that's* funny! Shiner Bock is better than all but one foreign beer and we have a fair number of homosexuals with bad teeth and strange collections. http://www.shiner.com/tr1b.html gSs ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 20:40:22 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Robyn solo in Spain... I see the museum has posted the following dates... March 28: Madrid - Sala Suristan March 29: TBC April 1: Algeciras - Escuela Politecnica April 3: Valencia - Roxy Club April 4: Barcelona - Razzmataz 3 April 5: Leon - Teatro El Albeitar I'd like to hear that Barcelona venue pronounced in it's Catalonian accent... "Raath-mah-TAATH traisth" ? :) Michael "sounds like a nice trip - when do we leave?" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:46:15 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: humourlessness with a cone of chips On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Matt Sewell wrote: > I thought Swift was Irish, but that's just being pedantic No it isn't. Have you tried calling any of your Irish (or Scottish, or Welsh) friends "English"? It's a different country! Oscar Wilde, Flann O'Brian and James Joyce wouldn't thank you for calling them English either. > Now, saying US beer is better than English beer, now *that's* funny! They don't have beer in the US, just that bottom fermented stuff which tastes like hamster piss (sorry, Amstel Pils) only not quite as vigorous. The only people who have real full-scale beer are the Trappist monks in Belgium. One sip of that and you're so dumbstruck that you don't need to take a vow of silence. - - Mike "I'll have mayonnaise with that cone of chips" Godwin n.p. Herman Brood's Wild Romance ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 12:52:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Reap On Sun, 16 Mar 2003, Matt Sewell wrote: > Ian Samwell, composer of Cliff Richard's finest moment, Move It... And first moment, aussi. I hope you're not saying that Cliff's career has been downhill all the way! It almost sounds as if you're denigrating "Travellin' Light", "Dynamite", "I wont be tie tie tie tie tied to your apron strings", "We don't talk anymore", "Devil Woman" (always Rik's favourite), "Bachelor Boy", "The day I met Marie", "Willie and the hand jive" (great version, much better than the Johnny Otis Show") ... Oops - I'd better stop there. - - MRG PS Of course it isn't Hank Marvin on guitar on 'Move It', but I can't remember who it is. Same as it isn't Mick Green on guitar on Johnny Kidd's 'Shakin' all over'. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 07:18:46 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: humourlessness with a cone of chips Mike Godwin: > They don't have beer in the US, just that bottom fermented stuff which > tastes like hamster piss (sorry, Amstel Pils) only not quite > as vigorous. Now *them's* fighting words! I wonder if you really believe this. Are you really unaware of the huge number of smaller breweries that have sprouted up in the last 25 years, many dedicated to hoppy top-fermented ales? Even in Texas you can find cask-conditioned real ale if you look for it, and in the Northwest you don't have to look at all, it will find you. And we did that without a CAMRA breathing down our necks, I'll have you know. We did it because it was the right bloody thing to do. All hail the American independent brewer! +brian (a little choked up) in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:31:14 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: tasty beer with a cone of chips in a bus shelter by the sea... Respect to the microbrewers all over the world! Any US beers you'd recommend, just in case any imports hit the shops over here (Christ, if we can import lager from India and Japan, surely we can get beer from America)? Cheers! Matt ND: Wychwood's Black Witch Stout... arghlghlghlghlgh! >From: "Brian Huddell" >Now *them's* fighting words! I wonder if you really believe this. Are you >really unaware of the huge number of smaller breweries that have sprouted up >in the last 25 years, many dedicated to hoppy top-fermented ales? Even in >Texas you can find cask-conditioned real ale if you look for it, and in the >Northwest you don't have to look at all, it will find you. And we did that >without a CAMRA breathing down our necks, I'll have you know. We did it >because it was the right bloody thing to do. All hail the American >independent brewer! > >+brian (a little choked up) in New Orleans - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online - download MSN Messenger today. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:41:20 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Irishness with a cone of Belgian (Freedom) chips *with ketchup only* Point taken about the Swift being Irish thing - if I accused the landlord of the Half Moon*, Joe Ryan of being English, he'd bat me round the head with his bodhran or his shillelegh (or however you spell these things). Belgian beer... trappist because a couple of pints and one finds oneself unable to speak? As for mayonnaise on your chips - shame on you! How terribly Yurpean - Governor Blair will haul you in for your unAmerican behaviour! Ketchup only, obv... Cheers Matt *Sparky's Flying Circus: and evening of music , poetry and guinness every Thursday at the Half Moon, St Clements, Oxford - performers/spectators/drinkers welcome! >From: Michael R Godwin > > I thought Swift was Irish, but that's just being pedantic > >No it isn't. Have you tried calling any of your Irish (or Scottish, >or Welsh) friends "English"? It's a different country! Oscar Wilde, Flann >O'Brian and James Joyce wouldn't thank you for calling them English >either. >The only people who have real full-scale beer are the Trappist monks in >Belgium. One sip of that and you're so dumbstruck that you don't need to >take a vow of silence. > >- Mike "I'll have mayonnaise with that cone of chips" Godwin - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's fast, it's easy and it's free! Click here to download MSN Messenger ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 13:45:52 +0000 From: "Matt Sewell" Subject: Re: Reap Yep, 'fraid so... except perhaps, yes, Devil Woman and Wired for Sound - great video! Hank Marvin - he scares me... I think I preferred the Shads as puppets on Thunderbirds... if only they'd stayed that way! Cheers Matt "g-g-g-g-gee Mr Tracy" Sewell >From: Michael R Godwin > >And first moment, aussi. I hope you're not saying that Cliff's career has >been downhill all the way! > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay in touch with absent friends. Download MSN Messenger for FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:12:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: RE: humourlessness with a cone of chips On Mon, 17 Mar 2003, Brian Huddell wrote: > Now *them's* fighting words! I wonder if you really believe this. Are you > really unaware of the huge number of smaller breweries that have sprouted up > in the last 25 years, many dedicated to hoppy top-fermented ales? Even in > Texas you can find cask-conditioned real ale if you look for it, and in the > Northwest you don't have to look at all, it will find you. And we did that > without a CAMRA breathing down our necks, I'll have you know. We did it > because it was the right bloody thing to do. All hail the American > independent brewer! This is all good news, Brian. We certainly haven't seen any sign of these in the UK - it's all Miller and non-Czech Budweiser. But I won't hear a word against CAMRA - until they came along, pressurised "dead" keg beer was well on the way to sweeping aside the last few real beers in England. Now, after 25 years of campaigning, we have several independent real ales in most areas. > +brian (a little choked up) in New Orleans Sit back, order another pint, relax, sniff at it a couple of times, grasp the glass firmly, and then ... ... swallow! That's much better, isn't it? - - Mike PS to Matt: http://tolsun.oulu.fi/kbs-bin/directbeer?Nr=1142 for a rated list of Trappisten and other beers ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 10:06:28 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: I found this mouse in your beer. >> Now, saying US beer is better than English beer, now *that's* funny! Just to clarify, I do *not* mean the commercial US import beer like Budweiser and Coors and all that swill. That stuff is awful indeed, and a disgrace to export. I mean things like Samuel Adams, Anchor Steam, Yuengling Porter, Sierra Nevada, Victory Hop Devil, and countless other smaller brews. I have been to London three times, and each time I was surprised by the quality of the beer, which I found weak and watery. Maybe it's better outside of the city...? (Or maybe after they kick everyone out on the street at 11pm they break out the good stuff for the locales?) - --Quail ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #99 *******************************