From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #93 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, March 12 2003 Volume 12 : Number 093 Today's Subjects: ----------------- another drummer sues the Doors ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: another drummer sues the Doors [Ken Weingold ] put another dime in the jukebox baby ["Natalie Jane" ] Re: six-legged bassist wanted [Caroline Smith ] RE: Rex's Record Review Roundup ["Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" ] free Atlanta minidisc offer closed! [Ben Nicastro ] Police? [Mike Swedene ] last chance for new noise... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] not so fast ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: plinths! (with actual rh content!) ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a p] Re: Aimee tonight ... [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: not so fast - Phil's lawyer hits back [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Another courtroom dress restriction ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Way-belated discovery (belated reply) ["Rob" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:21:25 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: another drummer sues the Doors http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=87&ncid=689&e=9&u=/030311/143/3he0z.html - --Jason ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:28:28 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: another drummer sues the Doors On Tue, Mar 11, 2003, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=87&ncid=689&e=9&u=/030311/143/3he0z.html Jeez. Ray even worked with Echo and the Bunnymen once. He should take their cue from the original formation and use a drum machine. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 11:47:54 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: put another dime in the jukebox baby >I've been in all male bands & co-ed bands (one w/ f keys, other w/ f > >singer & f sax) and I really prefer the feel of being co-ed, as long as > >there's no Fleetwood Mac type problems. More like >real life, you know? Fewer stupid guy-jokes. You know what always happens when I take a bathroom break during practice - my bandmates start playing "I Love Rock and Roll" really loud and then immediately stop, almost guiltily, when I return. Is this some weird "male musician thing" that I don't understand? Incidentally, if anyone can do better than Scott McCaughey as regards thinking up a name for my band, please e-mail me privately. (I know some of you have heard my band's demo, so maybe you people have some ideas...? Dolph, Quail, I'm looking at you...) n. _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 12:27:17 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Top Twenty Female Accordionists in Rock History Jeff: >>but I also think sometimes it's legit to *want* to have women in >>the band specifically so interactions aren't as, uh, guy-like. Gives a >>different environment to the band, I guess. Oh yeah!!! That's why I mentioned having been in bands with women. It really does break up that despicable "locker room" vibe that bands can develop, and makes the whole thing more of a "human" endeavor. I mean, I can sign off on juvenile scatological humor just as easily as the next guy, but casual misogyny is a little harder to take at every single rehearsal. Plus, really, the chicks cuss just as much. ____ Natalie: >>That's what the Pixies did, yeah? They advertised for a female bassist >>because they wanted a woman to do harmonies and they (obviously) also >>needed a bassist. But that makes economical sense, yeah? Here's the exact scenario I'm talking about. Let's say a guy, or two guys, start a band, and they fill all the positions they want with the ideal people of any given gender, say, female bassist and male guitarist. One or both of them quit. They start auditioning new people. Should the new guitarist have to be male or the new bassist have to be female? Replacing personnel is different from creating the type of lineup you want to begin with. I'm just sayin'. Not trying to make a socio-political point-- just, based on my tiny little control group, this seems like a new way to strike a "cool" pose with your band. But I sure could use some female influence in my own current project. I'm tired of being the only woman even if I am the guitarist. ____ Jason: >>I am more likely to be choked to death on fog-machine produced >>gases or poked in the eye by the edge of some goth-girl's bouncing ankh. So that's what they're calling them these days. Is "Nice ankh!" a good or bad Goth pickup line? _______ Ross: >>I'd still be hard pressed to say who my fav female lead guitarist is -- probably >>Bonnie Rait. Bonnie Raitt is cool, but it's hard to get away from her as the prime example. I'm not sure I could pick her slide work out from a bunch of other equally skilled guys as it's very genre-specific... I do enjoy the fact that she splits her expressive voice between vocal and guitar, but I like that in my artists generally. For "big lead guitar" I rilly, rilly like Hilken Mancini (sp?) from Fuzzy. I saw her play before I ever heard their records, and seeing how she does what she does was damned impressive. Also in the indie realm there's still Kristin Hersh who has a very distinctive lead style as well, and Carrie Brownstein who never fails to impress. But I hear what you're saying; women who play lead in their first band are quite prone to hiring other lead guitarists in subsequent projects and I think it often detracts from the distinctiveness of their work-- in other words, the thing that attracted you to them as artists to begin with. I must say that I think the average female rhythm/solo accompaniment guitarist is usually more skillful and expressive than her average male counterpart. Many possible explanations, but I think it's true. Get a bunch of nonprofessional strummers to sit around and play covers on their Yamaha acoustics or whatever; the one woman in the group will invariably be as nimble with the finger-pickin', hammer-ons, pull-offs, and fills as the best guy in the group and better than most of the rest. Sadly, all of the songs that anyone plays in this scenario will probably be awful, and one of them will be "Comfortably Numb". The irony will be lost on all involved. >>I like Kims Gordon and Deal as songwriters but felt they (like me, in the bands >>I was in) were told to play the instrument with the fewest strings. I liked it a lot when Kim Gordon kinda swapped bass for guitar and SY went to the "three guitar no bass" lineup. But that's taken a giant leap backwards now that Jim O'Rourke plays bass on her vocal tunes and she plays the, ummm, somewhat awkward front-chick. Kinda late in the game for that, and a little off-putting, but I do like O'Rourke's contributions to the live set, so it all evens out. And in Kim's defense, Thurston doesn't seem to play guitar on "100%" anymore. He doesn't take the guitar *off*, he just doesn't play it. - -Rex, who gave up on listing female accordion players when he realized that he probably wasn't going to get past Miss Murgatroyd... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:08:02 -0600 (CST) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: And now for something completely different around 83 or 84 when during the 'diary of a madman' tour at a concert in dallas, ozzy had the short guy running around doing various things including being hung and picking up an array of items cast on the stage by the audience. after a while, the little guy seemed to grow tired of picking up trash so he left for a bit and returned with a few buckets of fresh chicken and calf liver, which he tossed into the audience. i believe they ate most of it. it was quite the sight to see after an ozzy show, so many people covered with blood. gSs On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Jason R. Thornton wrote: > I also don't believe I've ever been to a show where there was any sort of > meat or animal parts on-stage... not even a corn dog. I suppose my tastes > in music protect me from pyrotechnic and flying flesh related injuries, > although I am more likely to be choked to death on fog-machine produced > gases or poked in the eye by the edge of some goth-girl's bouncing ankh. I > may also get beaten up by Robert Fripp for looking at him while he plays. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 13:51:52 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: six-legged bassist wanted Natalie Jane wrote: > I'm still not sure why, when there's a lone woman in the band, > she almost always ends up playing bass or keyboards. What is > so specifically feminine about those instruments? Why not > guitar, drums, trumpet, or accordion? Wasn't the trumpeter in Sly & The Family Stone a woman? As for why so many female bassists, could it be because of the previously mentioned Kims and Tina Weymouth? Specifically, because a lot of those women when they first saw a woman playing in a band they liked (setting aside all-female bands like Go-Go's and The Bangles), it was Tina Weymouth or Kim Gordon or (slightly later) Kim Deal, so those then-girls were motivated to pick up bass because that's what Tina or the Kims played and that was who they idolized. Sort of like why there are so many Venezuelan shortstops -- they all wanted to be Dave Concepcion (and now, Omar Vizquel) when they grew up. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:00:19 -0500 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: six-legged bassist wanted On Tuesday, March 11, 2003, at 04:51 PM, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > As for why so many female bassists, could it be because of the > previously mentioned Kims and Tina Weymouth? Specifically, > because a lot of those women when they first saw a woman playing > in a band they liked (setting aside all-female bands like Go-Go's > and The Bangles), it was Tina Weymouth or Kim Gordon or (slightly > later) Kim Deal, so those then-girls were motivated to pick up > bass because that's what Tina or the Kims played and that was who > they idolized. > For sure. I know that after I saw the White Stripes live I wanted to be a drummer just like Meg. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:58:13 -0800 From: "Jason Brown \(Echo Services Inc\)" Subject: RE: Rex's Record Review Roundup Rex wrote: > >>Yeah, I don't like the two new albums much, and I don't think they sound > >>like old Go-Betweens, but that's not why; I don't feel betrayed or > >>anything. > > Just curious... do you simply find them uninspired? What's your take on > Grant & Robert's solo records? I liked most of them but kinda found them > occasionally, in Robert's words, "Too Much of One Thing", so in that sense > the new Go-Betweens records would be a step up no matter what. I'm not Aaron but, I really like both of the new albums. The new sounds more like the go-betweens though. Rachel Worth sounded more like Robert and grants solo careers colliding which was cool because I liked their solo stuff. The new one sounds more like they are a band. It's not 16 Lovers Lane Part 2 but that just fine with me. It sounds like the Go-Betweens but it also sounds very current. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:19:35 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: From the album notes... From the CD booklet to "Who's next" (remastered): "The Who played six warm-up dates in the spring of 1971 prior to their UK and US tours. It was on the way back to London from [May 7's] Sunderland gig that the famous 'monolith' album cover photograph was shot on a slag heap just outside of Sheffield. Kosh: 'Keith and John had just been talking about Stanley Kubrick's film "2001" in the car on the way back from the gig when the "call of nature" prompted a brief roadside stop.'" There is an additional picture in the booklet of the four of them, erm, aping the early scenes from 2001. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:27:46 -0500 From: Sabina Carlson Subject: plinths! (with actual rh content!) sorry this is late in regard to the actual plinth discussion, but i just re-read the lyric sheet to "respect". yeah. *ahem* since there has been much plinth talk lately: (Brian said: > If it once held a bridge it would be an abutment (at end) or pier > (supporting deck but not at and end). If it held a statue or ornament then > it'd be a plinth. If it held anything else "column" would be good. > A stanchion is generally metal, rod or post like in construction that acts a > a support - eg scaffold columns. > The "official" answer from our technical support guy (we do structural > analysis software) is "column", with abutment/pier in second place if you > know where the bridge went.) i forgot the fact that in the story next to the lyrics in "respect" there's the story about Moose Mark and saw that the Prince of Cones' daughter Lino has a close relationship with plinths: "when he got back to the magnolia circle, Moose Mark saw Lino sitting on a plinth." ........ "Lino drew herself off her plinth and pulled a tiny silver bell from her pocket" we should have asked robyn for the definition of plinth! ....sorry just trying to bring a small dose of robyn into the discussions ;-) .... as my brother would say, "teehee!" and it's only a poisonous plinth (is that physically possible? hmmm i wonder.....) sabina sheena ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:36:53 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Nicastro Subject: free minidiscs - Atlanta 4/8/02 Any one interested in my master MiniDisc recording of the April 8, 2002 show please email me offlist. The first reply from someone in the continental US gets them free! Its a decent recording of the whole show, minus a bit of dialog at the beginning and the MD flip. The second disc has low recording levels but still can be boosted with good results. The setlist is: Mexican God I Got The Hots I Man's Got To Know His Limitations, Briggs Queen Elvis It's Not Dark Yet The Yip Song Linctus House Sleeping With Your Devil Mask Autumn Is Your Last Chance I Often Dream Of Trains Unsettled I Feel Beautiful The Last Thing To Die Queen Of Eyes One Long Pair Of Eyes Visions Of Johanna I am selling my MD recorder so I have no use for the discs anymore. Sorry, I have my CD copies in storage and no access to a burner so I can't make CD's now - maybe the person who gets them can remaster to CD and make a tree (if there's any demand). - - Ben Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:49:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ben Nicastro Subject: free Atlanta minidisc offer closed! The MD's have been given away! - - Ben Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 17:14:24 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Police? RNR Hall of fame stuff.... Anyone have access to the MP3s or SHNS of this performance? I am curious since I heard nothing on the news about it. Did it suck that bad? Herbie np-> "Sweet Ride" Belly ===== - --------------------------------------------- Agnes Skinner: Seymour! Are you looking at naked ladies? Principal Skinner: No, mother! Agnes:"You sissy! http://www.hootisland.com/text/news/021703.shtml _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 19:42:49 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: last chance for new noise... As I announced last week, I'm expanding the list of the mix swap group I coordinate. Let me know if you're interested by tomorrow: you'd make and receive a mix every other month. (See my earlier post for details, or ask me if you've lost that post.) Thanks! ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:44:53 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: not so fast http://www.usatoday.com/life/2003-03-11-spector_x.htm _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:03:58 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: plinths! (with actual rh content!) Yea! Verily, at 7:27 PM -0500 3/11/03, it was written by Sabina Carlson that all should kneel low and, cupping their hands behind their ears, reflect momentarily upon these hallowed words, for within them lies the seed of truth: >and it's only a poisonous plinth (is that physically possible? hmmm i >wonder.....) Oh yes, my dear, yessssss. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:48:11 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Aimee tonight ... - --On Samstag, 8. Mdrz 2003 13:25 Uhr -0500 Sabina Carlson wrote: > you all probably know this but bonus points for whoever can name the > record label aimee's early band the young snakes was on!! I don't have the slightest idea! I didn't even know she had a band previous to 'Til Tuesday ... I just found it on allmusic.com ... apparently the cross-reference is broken - when you click on her name you don't go to her page and on her page that EP isn't mentioned. So, does anybody have MP3s of these tracks ... ? ;-) Well, the concert was much better than the first time I saw her. Once again it was a llittle short for my taste (less than 90 minutes), but that was because they had to be off stage by 10 pm because of the dual-use of the venue - it's a disco as well. That's very common in Germany, BTW. The intensity of the show made up for its lack of length, though. I was very happy that she played "End of the Telescope" as a request. They also did some Coldplay song as rehearsal for a British TV show where every guest has to perform a cover. Initially they had wanted to do Steely Dan's "Dirty Work", but the TV station said they wanted "something hip and current, like Queen or the Rolling Stones" ;-) Aimee repeated several times how much she loves Coldplay. Hmm. I didn't recognize the song (haven't heard the new CD). It sounded nice enough done by Aimee, but I could easily imagine it being done in U2 fashion with lots of pathos. So, nobody has anything to say about Johnny Marr's current band? - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 12:42:12 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: not so fast - Phil's lawyer hits back On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Maximilian Lang wrote: > http://www.usatoday.com/life/2003-03-11-spector_x.htm Today's rebuttal of the contradiction: http://www.teletext.com/news/story.asp?intArticleID=54954&intarticlenumber=13&intRegionID=19&intSubsectionID=1&From=I&indent=2 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 13:34:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Another courtroom dress restriction Good tip for avoiding jury service! - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:03:14 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Re: Another courtroom dress restriction The offending shirt is for French Connection UK and said, appropriately "FCUK". Brilliant. Surfed around their site and they've got some nice shirts. $42 bucks is a bit much for a t-shirt. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael R Godwin" To: "AleatorySheepPoems" Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 08:34 Subject: Another courtroom dress restriction > > > > Good tip for avoiding jury service! - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 08:04:58 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: not so fast - Phil's lawyer hits back Quoting Michael R Godwin : > On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Maximilian Lang wrote: > > http://www.usatoday.com/life/2003-03-11-spector_x.htm > > Today's rebuttal of the contradiction: > http://www.teletext.com/news/story.asp?intArticleID=54954&intarticlenumber=13&intRegionID=19&intSubsectionID=1&From=I&indent=2 Whoa - stand back! The guy's lawyer says - dig this - that he's innocent! Shocking... It doesn't exactly sound as if there's any new info here... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal and :: winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 14:59:08 +0000 From: "Charlotte Tupman" Subject: Storefront Hitchcock VHS PAL Does anyone know where I can get hold of a copy of Storefront Hitchcock on VHS PAL format? The only videos I can find for sale are in the American format which won't play on our video recorders here in GB... I know that I should really get a DVD player but I just can't bring myself to spend a couple of hundred quid when it isn't strictly necessary... although if I can't get hold of Storefront except on DVD then it might finally push me to do so! ;-) Charlotte 'All that you need is around you' - Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:52:57 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: reap Zoran Djindjic, Prime Minister of Serbia, assassinated today at age 50. Djindjic was a long-time pro-democracy activist, opposed the Milosevic regime, turned Milosevic and others over to the international war crimes tribunal, and has tried to crack down on organized crime, so it's really surprising that he lived as long as he did. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 07:57:39 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Another courtroom dress restriction At 09:03 AM 3/12/2003 -0500, you wrote: >The offending shirt is for French Connection UK and said, appropriately >"FCUK". > >Brilliant. > >Surfed around their site and they've got some nice shirts. $42 bucks is a >bit much for a t-shirt. I don't have any FCUK clothing, but I do have a shirt from FUCT. It's got a fake name-sticker printed on the front which reads "Hello, My Name is Satan," and on the back it says "This Shirt is FUCT." Silly, I know. And it never gets as many comments as my "Jesus Hates Me" t-shirt from www.unamerican.com. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:02:46 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: reap - --On Mittwoch, 12. Mdrz 2003 10:52 Uhr -0500 Christopher Gross wrote: > Zoran Djindjic, Prime Minister of Serbia, assassinated today at age 50. > > Djindjic was a long-time pro-democracy activist, opposed the Milosevic > regime, turned Milosevic and others over to the international war crimes > tribunal, and has tried to crack down on organized crime, so it's really > surprising that he lived as long as he did. Shit! He was really one of the good ones. :-( His image here was very positive. His perfect German surely played a role in that, but I never heard anything negative about him. This really makes me upset. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:21:23 -0000 From: "Rob" Subject: Re: Way-belated discovery (belated reply) On 7 Mar 2003 at 13:03, Eb wrote: > I heard the new Delgados album today (wow, good stuff!), and felt > reeeeeally dumb for not recognizing this band sooner. What's more, I > initially thought this was their second album, but the web tells me > it's actually the *fourth*? > > Any knowledgeable fans here? That'll be me I think. The first two albums are quite different in style to the later two. The earlier two are much more raw and punky while the later two are much professional and rely heavily on strings and flute for the sound. If you like Hate, then I can't imagine you'd not like The Great Eastern. Do you know they're doing a quite extensive tour of North America in April? See www.delgados.co.uk for dates. They follow that with a few dates in the UK. The two London dates featuring different setlists each night, the first night's material is from the first single to the second album and the second night's material is from the last two albums. I wonder if John Peel will be in attendance, he's quite a big fan of theirs. Rob np The Coral - The Coral ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #93 *******************************