From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #90 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, March 10 2003 Volume 12 : Number 090 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Settle a bet ["FS Thomas" ] Re: More information you need to know. [The Great Quail ] free gnatmaniax! ["Natalie Jane" ] "world history" 0% rh content [Sabina Carlson ] Re: free gnatmaniax! [Eb ] Re: More information you need to know. ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a po] Re: free gnatmaniax! ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" ] Re: Apple Driver Search (0% RH) [Mike Swedene ] Re: "world history" 0% rh content [Tom Clark ] 20/20 on Ron Traino, superfreak ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy ha] Reap [Michael R Godwin ] Re: "world history" 0% rh content [Michael R Godwin Subject: RE: Settle a bet ...and to directly address the question: I've always thought they were abutments. (Though plinth is a much snazzier word.) - -f. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf > Of Michael E. Kupietz > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 7:41 PM > To: fegmaniax@smoe.org > Subject: Settle a bet > > I thought this list would be a good place to turn to settle a bet between > myself & my roommate. > > On the cover of "Who's Next", is the thing they have just peed on a > 'plinth', or a 'stanchion'? (Or, god forbid, an 'abutment'?) You'd think I > would know these things. > > Mike > -- > ======== > > We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to > believe > that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of > objective rationale. > - Paul Eppinger > > At non effugies meos iambos > - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") > > "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." > - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 10:13:58 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: More information you need to know. My Rush "2112" cassette didn't have the whole "2112" piece on one side -- two minutes before the end, it faded out, and you had to flip it to hear the last moments of the finale! The odd thing was, it was an "official" cassette, but was actually Canadian or something. It was rather jarring, you know? You'd be jamming along, and suddenly it would cut out. There's something deflating about flipping a tape in the middle of a raucous air guitar solo. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:19:22 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Pic FYI, came across this nifty shot... http://www.visi.com/~charlesr/photogal/concerts2/robyn.jpg "Robyn Hitchcock and the Egyptians, shown here performing an "in-store" at the late, great Northern Lights record store in downtown Minneapolis. This was probably fall of 1985, but I'm not 100% sure." (Charles Robinson) Michael "dig the 'stache on Morris" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 10:46:59 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: free gnatmaniax! It was Jane the Timeline Chick who persuaded me to go to the Minus 5 in-store. I'd encountered her on another list, and corresponded with her a few times about this show. Jane the Timeline Chick lives in Portland, and maintains a timeline of every song Wilco have ever performed live, for tape-trading purposes. She is also the biggest Minus 5 fan ever, and has been following them down the Pacific coast. She even wore a homemade Minus 5 shirt to the in-store. Time was when I found this kind of geeky uber-fandom pathetic, but now I'm sort of in awe of it. People like Jane are totally unconcerned with how dorky they appear to others, and I think that's rather admirable... if verging on complete insanity. So after band practice, I dragged my bandmates to the record store where the Minus 5 were performing. I was trying to guess who Jane might be, and of course realized she was the girl sitting front and center right in front of the stage. I introduced myself and got a gander at her shirt, which actually looks pretty nice. Scott McCaughey's hair keeps changing color - it's back to grey now, though in a recent picture it appeared black. The band was more energetic and rocking than they are on record, and Scott's voice sounds better - more authoritative, less light and breezy. Their drummer, who is the ex(?) drummer from Ministry (!!) was excellent, and the other band members (including Mr. Buck) were good as well. I also enjoyed Scott's wry between-songs commentary. But for all of that, their songs - even the ones I'd heard before - slid pleasantly in one ear and out the other, without making much of an impression en route. I enjoyed myself, and I liked some of the unfamiliar stuff I heard (including Jane's favorite, "Courage Is the Smallest Bird"), but with all due respect to Scott and co., that sort of mild-mannered pop doesn't do much for me. My bandmates felt the same way. I guess that's why they're my bandmates. Jane is, of course, on a first-name basis with the '5, so (stricken with my usual bashfulness) I got her to introduce me to Peter Buck. I gave him a Thoth, and said, "You can ask Robyn Hitchcock what it is." he said, "You can't spend a lot of time around Robyn Hitchcock without knowing what this is. It's that Egyptian god, right?" I said yes, it was Thoth. He said, "We'll hang it up in the van, it'll be our good-luck mascot." He shook my hand. He's a much bigger guy than I thought he would be - tall, heavy-set, with big hands and a big sleepy face. And all I can say is.... ARRGHH! I MET PETER BUCK! :) I gave Scott a tinfoil devil ("Oooh, a good one!" he exclaimed) and gave the Fastbacks' Kim Warnick a copy of the interview my friend Marc and I did so long ago. She was delighted and kept pointing out funny things she had forgotten she had said. She remembers the stuff about Tabitha Soren and her pencil fetish. She said, "This will provide hours of van reading!" Then, when Scott and Peter were signing autographs, I did the thing that my bandmates told me not to do - I asked them for a band name. Peter just smiled and shook his head, but Scott was really working on it. I said, "It's OK, I'll just tell them you drew a blank." "No - no, I'm thinking of one," Scott said, visibly racking his brains. "OK, you should be called - FLIMSY." "I can't guarantee we'll use that," I said dubiously, and he said that was OK. While this was going on, Kim Warnick's new band Visqueen was playing. I wasn't too impressed by what little I heard - it just sounded like generic punk/rock n' roll to me, except with girls. My new rule is that girls don't necessarily make a boring genre better (see: the Donnas). But I didn't really hear enough of them - we had to leave during their first song. My bandmates weren't really thrilled about being called Flimsy, but other than that it was a nice, free afternoon. Next gnatmaniax: Iron & Wine on 3/22. Stay tuned. cheers, n. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 14:04:32 -0500 From: Sabina Carlson Subject: "world history" 0% rh content ok, yeah, nothing about robyn or even music or even controversial world politics in this letter. sorry! i'm doing a projeect for world history and we're learning about the industrial revolution...specifically in england. well, we're supposed to do a project on different aspects of the industrial revolution period and i got the topic of "women's rights". my textbook has about 1/2 a page on women's rights in britain during the industrial revolution, and that's it (well it's better than the 2 short paragraphs for women's rights in france!). i was wondering if any british fegs could help me out? like give me an internet link or the name of a book or something? help, pretty please? :-) thanks! and it's only a poisonous plant researching women's rights, sabina sheena ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 13:02:26 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: free gnatmaniax! >She even wore a homemade Minus 5 shirt to the in-store. Time was >when I found this kind of geeky uber-fandom pathetic, but now I'm >sort of in awe of it. People like Jane are totally unconcerned with >how dorky they appear to others, and I think that's rather >admirable... if verging on complete insanity. Then you should WORSHIP this guy.... http://home.twcny.rr.com/ronaldus/spice/dream.htm Saw Gangs of New York last night...jeez, was that film overlong. I'd estimate over a hour of the film was simply expository scenes establishing that "Aye, these are rough 'n' barbarous times." OK, OK, I *get* it already...how about a little *plot*? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 12:54:37 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: More information you need to know. Ohh. Yeah, my old cassette of Animals did that some thing, righ tin the middle of "Pigs (Three Different Ones)". Wasn't as bad as some of my 8-tracks, though. Yea! Verily, at 10:13 AM -0500 3/9/03, it was written by The Great Quail that all should kneel low and, cupping their hands behind their ears, reflect momentarily upon these hallowed words, for within them lies the seed of truth: >My Rush "2112" cassette didn't have the whole "2112" piece on one side -- >two minutes before the end, it faded out, and you had to flip it to hear >the >last moments of the finale! The odd thing was, it was an "official" >cassette, but was actually Canadian or something. It was rather jarring, >you >know? You'd be jamming along, and suddenly it would cut out. There's >something deflating about flipping a tape in the middle of a raucous air >guitar solo. > >--Quail - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:37:21 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: free gnatmaniax! Oh, MY GOD!!! What an EXCITING STORY!! It was SO DRAMATIC how his donuts turned to MUSH and he had to THROW THEM IN A DUMPSTER, and how he was so nervous about seeing THE GIRLS that he almost PUKED!! And when I read how Victoria and Emma LOOKED HIM IN THE EYE, I SWOONED IN BLISS! Multiple choice witty closing comment: A.) Blech. Gag me with a spoon. B.) Should I even ask why you were aware of this link? C.) Who does he think he is, staring into Mel B.'s eyes? She's Mine! MINE!! D.) Do this kid's parents know about this? E.) Mark my words, when one of the Spice Girls gets murdered one day, look for this guy. Mike PS. Oh my god. I just caught it. The link at the bottom to the D&D-style "profile" of Emma puts this one right over the top. This guy deserves to be at least as famous as "Curry" or that "I Kiss You" guy. Yea! Verily, at 1:02 PM -0800 3/9/03, it was written by Eb that all should kneel low and, cupping their hands behind their ears, reflect momentarily upon these hallowed words, for within them lies the seed of truth: >>She even wore a homemade Minus 5 shirt to the in-store. Time was >>when I found this kind of geeky uber-fandom pathetic, but now I'm >>sort of in awe of it. People like Jane are totally unconcerned with >>how dorky they appear to others, and I think that's rather >>admirable... if verging on complete insanity. > >Then you should WORSHIP this guy.... >http://home.twcny.rr.com/ronaldus/spice/dream.htm > >Saw Gangs of New York last night...jeez, was that film overlong. I'd >estimate over a hour of the film was simply expository scenes >establishing that "Aye, these are rough 'n' barbarous times." OK, OK, >I *get* it already...how about a little *plot*? > >Eb - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 18:38:21 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Pere Ubu BTW I got to see Pere Ubu last night. What a great show... 25 years later they can still do it. David Thomas's voice is even weirder when you can see it coming out of him. Memorable banter: talking about how he always dedicates the next song to the prettiest woman in the room. He says, "One day, I will be your man. [pause] One day, I will be the best that you can do. Time will catch up with you." Yowtch! - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 19:53:15 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: Apple Driver Search (0% RH) Still no luck on the driver... I Have an iMac (Grey One) and it has a usb 1.1 thingie on it. It recognizes there is a drive on there but nothing more. I can not get it to use toast or burn discs for that matter. Any suggestions on a generic driver? > > BUSLINK USB 2.0 RW446USB > http://www.buslink.com/serv02.htm Herbie np-> "The Ring" movie ===== - --------------------------------------------- Agnes Skinner: Seymour! Are you looking at naked ladies? Principal Skinner: No, mother! Agnes:"You sissy! http://www.hootisland.com/text/news/021703.shtml _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 21:10:11 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: "world history" 0% rh content On 3/9/03 11:04 AM, "Sabina Carlson" wrote: > my textbook has about 1/2 a page on women's rights in britain during the > industrial revolution, and that's it (well it's better than the 2 short > paragraphs for women's rights in france!). i was wondering if any british fegs > could help me out? like give me an internet link or the name of a book or > something? > help, pretty please? :-) thanks! I'm sure Mike Godwin could give you a first-hand account! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 22:41:17 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: 20/20 on Ron Traino, superfreak Eb, I hope you don't mind my public'ing this, I assume you meant to RE: to the list, not me... At 7:03 PM -0800 3/9/03, Eb wrote: >[Regarding the Spice Girls dork site:] >>Multiple choice witty closing comment: >>D.) Do this kid's parents know about this? > >He's not a kid, actually. If memory serves, he's a 40ish *postal worker*. > Gaaaaaah. Now I'm going to have nightmares. Hmm. Googling "Ron Traino" turns up all kinds of wackiness, philatelic and otherwise, including this tantalizing morsel: The Spice Girls: Search and Destroy ... Destroy: The fucked up email Ron Traino sent me detailing A) his death fantasy about the Spice Girls (in which he condemned them to hell as well) B) what he ... www.greenspun.com/bboard/ q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0058v6 - 12k - Cached - Similar pages [ More results from www.greenspun.com ] The post itself had been deleted, but thanks to the magic of the "Cached copy", we get to have this image lodged in our heads for the rest of our lives: >I'm convinced that Peter Pan guy on pixyland.org is Ron, Nicole. It'd only >make sense. It's the ONLY thing that would make sense. Please, god, let it >be Ron, and there aren't two of them. > >I want to revise my destroy. > >Destroy: The fucked up email Ron Traino sent me detailing A) his death >fantasy about the Spice Girls (in which he condemned them to hell as well) >B) what he thinks about when he masturbates. Good god, I was only 17! I >didn't need that in my life! >-- Ally (garance80@yahoo.com), May 02, 2001. See? I told you we was a sicko. Actually he claims in a Usenet post that the above was a fabrication, but I did find a link that indicates he used to write "Three's Company" fanfic, which absolutely clinches it for me. Someday something's going to set this guy off, and it'll be off the free-for-all links pages and into the history books. Wow, religious nut, too. He's even got an essay on his site arguing that the earth, not the sun, is the center of the solar system. Takes all kinds, doesn't it. OK, what's more pathetic, the guy who spends all his time doing all this stuff, or the guy who wastes a whole night surfing the web chasing this inane BS down? Traino's Gordon Jump (from WKRP, etc.) fanfic is at . OK, I'm done. I'm gonna go back to thinking about Shooby Taylor now. For the record, Traino is 32. MK (w/a PH) - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:30:56 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Reap Adam Faith, 60s pop star and actor (he took over Ringo's role in 'That'll be the day' for the follow-up 'Stardust'). Also famous for appearing as the voice of teenage Britain on John Freeman's 'serious' TV prog "Face to Face". http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2832231.stm IMHO his whole pop career was based on the sound of two late Buddy Holly records, "I guess it doesn't matter anymore" and "Raining in my heart". AF's hits feature the typical Holly hiccup and often the pizzicato string sound as well. His big hits were "What do you want?" and "Poor me", but some of us oldies also remember things like "How about that?","Lonely pup" and "As you like it". Deeply disturbing pic of Adam backing Jon "Dr Who" Pertwee here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/photo_gallery/2832435.stm Well-known songwriter Russ Ballard (Unit 4+2, the Zombies, Argent etc) got his first break in Adam's group The Roulettes. http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/3254/russ.html - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 14:07:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: "world history" 0% rh content On Sun, 9 Mar 2003, Sabina Carlson wrote: > i'm doing a projeect for world history and we're learning about the > industrial revolution...specifically in england. well, we're supposed to > do a project on different aspects of the industrial revolution period > and i got the topic of "women's rights". my textbook has about 1/2 a > page on women's rights in britain during the industrial revolution, and > that's it (well it's better than the 2 short paragraphs for women's > rights in france!). i was wondering if any british fegs could help me > out? like give me an internet link or the name of a book or something? > help, pretty please? :-) thanks! I should start with Mary Wollstonecraft, who was the primary (not to say the only) women's rights writer in England at the time. Any other offers? - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #90 *******************************