From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #87 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, March 7 2003 Volume 12 : Number 087 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: correction to a correction of a correction [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: NZ anti-war songs [rosso@videotron.ca] clothing and court! [Eleanore Adams ] HB/XTC/FF [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] XTC related [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Grauniad [Michael R Godwin ] Covering (songs) and (your body with offensive garments) UK ["Rex.Broome"] Take it all Off ["Mike Wells" ] for those having a harried day [Caroline Smith ] Cheese alarm [Eleanore Adams ] Robyn's 50th ["Marc Holden" ] Re: for those having a harried day ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Dig this band description ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Lemmy! [Tom Clark ] Re: Dig this band description ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat"] follow-up [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 00:36:14 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: correction to a correction of a correction On 4 Mar 2003 at 22:44, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Weirdly, I haven't heard any of them - except the, uh, "Terry and the > Lovemen" track (which isn't really a cover, then, is it). T&TL is XTC? I didn't know that, but I did wonder why a tape I have has Andy going on about how their lead singer sounds like Colin. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 00:38:33 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: NZ anti-war songs On 4 Mar 2003 at 19:08, bibi gellert wrote: > I am as usual behind reading the digests, but I couldn't help answering > James' inability to find an NZ anti-war song-what about The Mutton Bird's > "Jackie's Song" ? I didn't know the Mutton Birds are also anti-carriage-return. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 22:11:38 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: clothing and court! More on clothing!!! Just stories - my mentor who is a female trial attorney taught me that you never never never wear a pant suit to trial (if female). Must wear a skirt if you want the older judges to take you seriously. There is no rule on this, just protocol. But it is true. It doesn't apply to prelims or just motions, then you can wear the pants suit. You want to impress the judge - they can make your life difficult. Most of the general public, in criminal court at least, wear crap. But none are allowed any kind of hat, unless religious in nature. The cops are usually polite about it, unless the citizen is rude, so if that cop was making a huge loud scene, it was probably a power trip or some sore of history between the two. The judges, when you talk to them, expect citizens to wear their sunday best, but they also understand that the general publics sunday best is often clean jeans and a Kobe Bryant numbered basketball jersey with Timberland boots. (Don't be offended by this stereotype - I in fact own a O'Neal jersey. But I would never wear it to court, just on a court, ha ha) We dress our clients for trial, i.e. go to their mama's house and get the cloths. We have even gone to Ross and bought them ties bcs they didn't own one. eleanore On Wednesday, March 5, 2003, at 07:50 PM, FS Thomas wrote: >> And I would give this idea more credence if (as some judges still > insist >> upon) people in that courtroom generally dressed nicely, etc. > > You're in *court* for fuck's sake! Showing up in less than your > Sunday's best shows effin' comtempt! If you show contempt on your > court > date based on te way you choose to dress, then whatever sentence you > get > is your own fault. > >> If they *really* wanted the hat off - and not to >> reinforce their sense of power - they could have quietly, privately > asked >> him to remove it. > > And who is to say that whatever person of the court (or the mall, for > that matter) didn't) then what's the point?) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:10:47 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: HB/XTC/FF Eb flowed: >>> Hank Ballard, 66 >>> Horst Buchholz, 69 >>> >>> If your initials are HB, I'd stay at home today. >> >>Why oh why can't Bush's first name begin with H? > >I can't believe that Eno-freak James didn't immediately transfer his >worries to Harold Budd. ;) good point - perhaps the Eno connection is the fact that I listed "2 HB" reaps :) >I suggest getting the Sugarplastic's BANG, THE EARTH IS ROUND (1996), >which features a bunch of super-catchy songs that strongly resemble >early-to-BLACK SEA XTC. They're even better than XTC covers -- they're >delightful new songs that will remind you of all the things you liked >about XTC. you would also probably be delighted with Martin Newell's "The only living Englishman" album, produced and partly co-written by a Mr A. Partridge. Also, it's worth remembering that XTC coverers They Might be Giants actually had XTC in one of their song titles. >And Jeffrey already >had 2 F's even back then, but James never got around to asking about it >until this week. However did you contain yourself? Life isn't so hectic down here in the south Pacific, so there's no need to rush things. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:32:05 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: XTC related I realise the thread has mutated from XTC covers to XTC-soundalike, but I don't think anyone's yet mentioned You am I's "Hourly Daily" album, with the track "Mr Milk" (I think it's that one, anyway), which might as well be "Senses working overtime", complete with the Patent Patridge Oohs. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:25:37 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Grauniad Whilst looking for that review of the birthday show, I came across these two favourable Soft Boys reviews which I don't remember seeing before: Apologies if they have been posted previously. - - Mike "pleasant" Godwin PS I'm having doubts about whether the tune from 'Idonea' is actually lifted from 'Underwater Moonlight', or from another song which I can't place. Suggestions? PPS I did spot Peter Blake at the gig, but wasn't 100% sure - he's gone quite grey. Remember him? He did the Sergeant Pepper cover: Gosh, he's 70 - at last a Hitchcock fan who is older than me... ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:38:24 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Covering (songs) and (your body with offensive garments) UK Ross: >>A friend of mine liked the Dummies' version of "Peter Pumpkinhead". >>For a while it was getting significant airplay here in Montreal. >>I played the original XTC version for him and he just said "... but >>it's almost exactly the same!" as if that were XTC's problem. Man, is that vexing. Play someone the original when they know the cover, and they seem to be pissed that the guy who wrote the song didn't sing it like the guy who copied it and messed up the lyrics twenty years later. Or maybe they're irritated by the "cheesy '60's drum sound". Ummm... it was recorded in the sixties, and I'm not so sure the gated-snare and punchy 1985 kick drum are an improvement. Hey, it suddenly sounds like I'm talking about "Bells of Rhymney", doesn't it? Which is a good case in point: if you like Robyn, and he likes this song well enough to do such a loving cover of it, why would you be irritated by the original, on which the playing is almost exactly the same? I think it often comes down to people being stuck on the production styles of certain eras. Me, I tend to seek out the originals of any intriguing covers by interesting artists. Cornerstone of my record collection, really. I already bitched about the crowd who insisted on singing Axl-style "haaayy, haayyy, hay hay hay"'s during Cat Power's very subdued cover of "Knocking on Heaven's Door", didn't I? All I could do was sit there with a little cloud of scribbled ink lines floating above my head, next to the words "Urge to Kill" and a little arrow pointing back to me. "Peter Pumpkinhead" is a weird case since there's all of, what, three years between the original and the cover? That only seems to happen with songs on soundtracks, perhaps because of licensing issues, and those songs are usually called "There She Goes". _______ Last time I was in London, there were a lot of pubs that prohibited the wearing of "football colours". Not *gang colors*, but clothing that indicates ones enthusiasm for an athletic club, although presumably if the probibition had to be made, the reasons were the same (to prevent violence). Still, I had no idea if I might've been wearing "football colours" by accident, only that I was logo-free as per usual. I assumed that what it meant was "don't wear the colours of this week's visiting club, ya knob", but maybe the UK is so much smaller than the US that London's really full of rowdies for all the clubs, in which case wouldn't that cover just about any color you could wear? Point is I don't think you'd see that in the States, any more than you'd be prohibited from wearing your Morrissey t-shirt to a Tool concert. Wrong? - -Rex "look at me being all anglicized and calling teams 'clubs' and stuff" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:38:10 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Take it all Off A short but humerous profile of serial streaker, and Liverpool fan, Mark Roberts: http://espn.go.com/page2/s/drehs/030306.html Michael "maybe he'll streak his court appearance" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:18:42 -0500 From: Caroline Smith Subject: for those having a harried day is it friday yet? http://members.aol.com/beardguy/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 12:50:41 -0800 From: Eleanore Adams Subject: Cheese alarm They played Cheese Alarm on NPR today el ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 13:55:58 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Robyn's 50th >Marc Holden went all the way to *England*, just to see Robyn perform???? No, I'm a bit obsessive, but not that bad. I found out about the show after I already had plane tickets for 2/25--3/5. It just worked out. How's that for luck? If I had been flying there for the show, I would have scheduled it differently, so I could also catch the Residents at the Royal Festival Hall on March 10th. Other than the Snail show I saw and the Brian Ferry one I skipped, there weren't any other concerts while I was there that really caught my interest. It was mostly just a trip for site-seeing and record shopping. I did manage to meet up with Mike Godwin, and we saw the Aztec exhibit at the Royal Academy. The quantity and quality of artifacts on display were really impressive. The bird-masked spider monkey seemed like something Robyn would have made a story about. More about Snail, later. Cheers, Marc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:46:40 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: for those having a harried day Caroline Smith wrote: > > is it friday yet? for James, maybe. > http://members.aol.com/beardguy/ coo, shades of "Big & Beardy" from Black Books... Stewart (looking more and more like Burl Ives every day.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:00:13 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Dig this band description Playing locally in June...I've never heard of this group, but how fuggin' cool is this description??? Eb http://trachtenburg.homestead. com/jtmain.html TRACHTENBERG FAMILY SLIDESHOW PLAYERS "There is a musical act that I saw at the Bumbershoot Festival last year in Seattle called the Trachtenburg Family Slideshow Players. They are brilliant (in both the English and American usage of the word brilliant). They are nothing if not love itself. They are a father and a mother in their thirties, and a daughter, about eight. They tour the country in their mini-van (which is hand-painted in many colors... why not?) They put on shows. They go to estate sales and buy the old slides of various strangers and then write songs using the slides, in random order, as a guide. One of their songs is called, Mountain Trip to Japan, 1959, and thats exactly what the slides and lyrics represent. The father plays guitar or piano. The mom runs the slide projector. The daughter plays drums. Father and daughter sing the funny lyrics. And they kick ass." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 15:09:10 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Dig this band description At 03:00 PM 3/6/2003 -0800, Eb wrote: >Playing locally in June...I've never heard of this group, but how >fuggin' cool is this description??? > >TRACHTENBERG FAMILY SLIDESHOW PLAYERS I saw them play a song on Conan. Freakin' hilarious, and surprisingly catchy. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 15:54:12 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Lemmy! http://www.theonion.com/onion3908/wdyt_3908.html ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 15:33:17 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: Dig this band description Yeah, I saw a writeup on the guys in The Stranger last time I was in Seattle - I was really sorry I wasn't going to be in town when they were going to play, they sound pretty entertaining. Yea! Verily, at :00 PM -0800 3/6/03, it was written by Eb that all should kneel low and, cupping their hands behind their ears, reflect momentarily upon these hallowed words, for within them lies the seed of truth: >Playing locally in June...I've never heard of this group, but how >fuggin' cool is this description??? > >Eb > >http://trachtenburg.homestead. >com/jtmain.html > >TRACHTENBERG FAMILY SLIDESHOW PLAYERS >"There is a musical act that I saw at the Bumbershoot Festival last >year in Seattle called the Trachtenburg Family Slideshow Players. >They are brilliant (in both the English and American usage of the >word brilliant). They are nothing if not love itself. They are a >father and a mother in their thirties, and a daughter, about eight. >They tour the country in their mini-van (which is hand-painted in >many colors... why not?) They put on shows. They go to estate sales >and buy the old slides of various strangers and then write songs >using the slides, in random order, as a guide. One of their songs is >called, Mountain Trip to Japan, 1959, and thats exactly what the >slides and lyrics represent. The father plays guitar or piano. The >mom runs the slide projector. The daughter plays drums. Father and >daughter sing the funny lyrics. And they kick ass." - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 00:18:00 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: follow-up The Great Mall T-Shirt War of 2003 is over - charges dropped (http://tinyurl.com/70ws). I note this paragraph: "Earl Wells, a spokesman for the mall owner, defended the guards, saying ... there is a policy of asking people who display anti-war messages on their clothes to leave." I wonder if that policy is posted anywhere - and I wonder if, then, pro-war t-shirts are okay. (Or does "policy" just mean "it's what we did"?) (Large photo silkscreened onto shirt of battlefield atrocities; bold print slogan WAR ROX!!) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #87 *******************************