From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #78 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, February 28 2003 Volume 12 : Number 078 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: I repent. [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: 24 ["Maximilian Lang" ] Mia Culper [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: 24 [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Fs and Ss, TV shows, and tower designs [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dign] Re: Fwd: Hitchcock published ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: An extremist writes... ["matt sewell" ] REAP [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] Down With Wilco [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] Led 'cock [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] RE: 24 ["FS Thomas" ] Re: anti-war songs ["matt sewell" ] RE: Impending REAP - B*T*VS ["matt sewell" ] Re: Mia Culper [Michael R Godwin ] Re: NYC fegs [Caroline Smith ] Re: OT 0% RH A war that lacks a financial strategy [Michael R Godwin ] Architecture [steve ] Re: James-Sanctions and Inspections [The Great Quail ] Re: OT 0% RH A war that lacks a financial strategy [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Two Pieces of Entertainment Info [Miles Goosens ] Re: Two Pieces of Entertainment Info [Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: I repent. Quoting Tom Clark : > - it's a family. The kind of family that drinks a lot and brandishes > handguns at the slightest disagreement. What? I'll have you know I'm very strongly opposed to handguns - they're the chief cause of... Oh. You weren't serious? Never mind. ..Jeff, wandering off to get another drink J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 00:05:48 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: 24 >From: "FS Thomas" >PS: and props to Keifer for coming back for another season. I was a bit >surprised when they went with another season and agreed to keep it to a >continuous storyline. Congrats to Fox on not caving on that. It has been renewed. Max _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:21:33 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Mia Culper >relatively rational argumant (and >argumants) gah - I'm so tired that not only do I purpetrate a spelling mistake, but I repeat it within half a sentence. Please forgive me, feg word police Oh, and welcome back Natterling! We missed you! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:30:24 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: 24 Quoting Maximilian Lang : > Has anyone been watching 24 this season? Kathy and I love it but for one > problem, the Kim Bauer storyline. Isn't it a bit Perils of Pauline? I > mean, she was stalked by a mountain line, trapped by a survivalist, in a > car accident, wrongly suspected and held for murder and kidnapping and > only the first half of the season, 12 hours in real time. I hear it's > renewed, maybe they can drop the bomb on her character...nah, she's > cute. She's the poster child for "dumb," yes. and the whole survivalist guy thing? Man...sorta like: Dear Penthouse Forum: You guys would not believe what happened to me. As a paranoid, weapons-fetishing, weirdo survivalist hermited living off the grid in the woods of Southern California, you can imagine I just don't get much - hell, the other day a bear was stretching as he scratched himself on a tree, and damned if I didn't think that bear had rather a pert little ass. Anyway, I was out checking on some of my illegal mountain lion traps, and hoo-daddy! you wouldn't believe what I caught! A cute li'l disoriented blonde girl, who claimed that no way could she go back to LA, cuz - get this! - she thought there was an impending nuclear attack! Finally, a gal I could relate to! Anyway, I tried the ol' "my cabin's just a little ways away" thing - and do you believe it? She didn't run off screaming (maybe next time I won't let them out of the trap first). She didn't even ask any questions when I plainly failed to imply that I could, you know, be a good Samaritan and drive her somewhere. What luck! And then, we get back to my cozy little, fallout-shelter equipped shack, and I try the ol' "you can take a shower if you want [pause...coy look] there's a lock on the door" (and a hidden videocamera in the bathroom - but I don't tell 'em that!), and *still* she's not out the door looking for the sheriff! She musta thought I was awful cute, I'm thinking. It gets better! Now, any woman with any sense, even if she was still in this situation, probably would realize that a paranoid weirdo like me doesn't exactly have much practice controlling his natural urges, if you catch my drift, and I made like a gentleman by giving her a big ol' ugly lumberjack-type coat as a coverup - but she comes out wearing nothin' but a teensy little seethrough white tanktop! And did I mention, my cabin's pretty *cold*? Yeehaw! It was almost as if the whole situation was *scripted* by someone trying to fulfill typical male fantasies like mine! Anyway, after I pretended the nuke had dropped - it was pretty funny, I just twiddled the knob on my radio between the stations and said, long-faced, "nothing" - she went all white and ashen. And speaking of knob-twiddling, (ctd. on p. 137) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 18:46:21 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Fs and Ss, TV shows, and tower designs Miles replied: >At 11:37 AM 2/28/2003 +1300, James Dignan wrote: >>PPS - how the hell could you spell Jeffrey WITHOUT two Fs? > >Ask Black Francis. Seriously, James, do ye not have Pixies albums? Or ye >do, and ye're just floating a rhetorical question. thats - Jefffrey himself pointed out what was going on, too. No, I've never been much of a Pixies fan. Had "Bossanova" (I think it was), for a while, but don't any more. >whose grandfather lost an "s" from the "Goossens" surname weirdly, two places near here lost an extra 's' for financial reasons. The town of Mossgiel and suburb of Rosslyn both had woollen mills run from Scotland. However, at the time, telegram costs depended on word length. In a glorious example of Scottish canniness, the mills and their surrounding population changed their names to Mosgiel and Roslyn respectively. >mean, she was stalked by a mountain line, trapped by a survivalist, in a car >accident, wrongly suspected and held for murder and kidnapping and thats >only the first half of the season, 12 hours in real time. I hear it's >renewed, maybe they can drop the bomb on her character...nah, she's cute. > > Max thanks for the spoilers, Max. Sigh. Not everyone gets the show at the same time as the US, you know. >>>Best Show Ever? It's right up there for me, along with (in no >>>particular order) >>HILL STREET BLUES, SCTV, the first ten seasons of >>>THE SIMPSONS, >>>NEWHART, HOMICIDE, MONTY PYTHON'S FLYING CIRCUS, MYSTERY >>SCIENCE >>>THEATRE 3000, and, of course, COP ROCK. ooo. Do I spot a thread? I'd throw in Six Feet Under, Barney Miller, and Taxi. And I'd agree about several of those you mentioned, especially Homicide. I'd also mention "The Games" an absolutely brilliant Aussie comedy which probably none of you has ever seen, sadly. 'Twas a mock fly-on-the-wall documentary (a la The Office) about the organisers of the 2000 Olympic Games, and was at worst enjoyable, and at best screamingly funny. >> So, what's the local opinion on the designs for the Trade Center site? the Libeskind is a good design. Agree with Steve that the # was the worst. Shame the Gaudi design didn't stay in contention, though. One of the last seven or so designs had a great feature - an memorial avenue of trees up to the site. A pity that couldn't have been grafted onto the Libeskind design. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:47:16 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: Fwd: Hitchcock published >>> Hitchcock's story is called "Narcissus" and runs 137 pages. Haven't >>>read it yet. > > Is this the Novel we have heard so much about? I would think so. I'm pretty sure he said this was a new story, written for just for this book. Wasn't the Novel called "The Professor"? Or was that something else? yeah...137 pages looks awfully long. I'll double-check this. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:16:48 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: An extremist writes... Is that because you use it to fuck the local wildlife? ;0) Matt >From: gshell@metronet.com ... > >my gun is phallic. > >gSs - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message your friends in real time - and for free. Get MSN Messenger today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:53:06 +0000 (GMT) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: REAP Othar Turner. North Mississippi folk-blues legend, upholder of the old fife and drum tradition. Played recently with North Mississippi Allstars and Jon Spencer, amongst others from the 'nu blues' comm-uuuu-nity. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:57:19 +0000 (GMT) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Down With Wilco This might send Natalie screaming into the night, but Robyn's big mate Scott McCaughey (wouldn't be surprised to see him at QEH on Sun.), has a new album out in his Minus 5 guise, and Jeff Tweedy and the boys guest effectively. In fact, if you dig your West Coast pop with a skewed element, this is a bloody fantastic album. My fave of '03 so far. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:03:13 +0000 (GMT) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Led 'cock If John Paul Jones guests on Sun. I'm looking forward to a version of Stairway To Heaven, Battle of Evermore, or perhaps that potential nuclear wasteland, Kashmir, dedicated to Bush and Blair. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 06:26:50 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: 24 Max observed: > ...The Kim Bauer storyline. Isn't it a bit Perils of Pauline? Or perhaps Scrappy Doo. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:13:02 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: anti-war songs Unkind words for Dylan, James? Blasphemer! In the words of the good book, "and unto the money lenders Jesus said 'Even Dylan would never forgive what you do'" (4 Matt 17-21). I was thinking about anti-war songs and wondering whether War Pigs is one of the worst or one of the best..? "Generals gathered in their masses, just like witches at black masses" ...genius... Cheers Matt >From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) >hmm... Godley & Creme's "Air force one"? Their "Goodbye Blue Sky" album is >all about impending nuclear war, and mostly pretty good, but that one is >just plain bad. And, despite recent comments on this list, I've always >thought "Masters of war" was too shrill and preachy - and how the fuck dare >Dylan state who or what Jesus would and wouldn't forgive! Even as a >non-Christian that rankles. > >James > >PPS - how the hell could you spell Jeffrey WITHOUT two Fs? > > James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= > .-=-.-=-.-=-.- > .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. > - -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance > =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time > - -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send music and picture to your friends with MSN Messenger. Download it FREE here. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:30:49 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: RE: Impending REAP - B*T*VS Scrappy Keegan, surely? Cheers Matt >From: Eb >>>the introduction of the Dawn character was probably where my >>>enthusiasm for the show dropped off. >> >>Wait, I thought that was when your enthusiasm for Robyn Hitchcock >>dropped off... :-) > >Maybe that came with the introduction of the *Deni* character. ;) > >Eb - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message your friends in real time - and for free. Get MSN Messenger today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:37:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Mia Culper On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, James Dignan wrote: > gah - I'm so tired that not only do I purpetrate a spelling mistake, but I > repeat it within half a sentence. Please forgive me, feg word police That's "perpetrate", James! My current betes noire is "Ghandi"... - - Mike Godwin PS As far as I can remember, the last time I went to the Queen Elizabeth Hall was to see the Pink Floyd's "Games for May" in 1967 - still my top show, ever. I'm hoping that Robyn will drag Syd on stage on Sunday, but I think the chances are probably quite low... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:43:52 -0500 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: NYC fegs On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 11:32 PM, FS Thomas wrote: > So, what's the local opinion on the designs for the Trade Center site? > > (Non-NYC fegs need not reply) er... the new design has made the news here (Toronto) too. In fact, two of the concepts chosen for the final round were from Canadian designers, I believe. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 13:32:00 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: OT 0% RH A war that lacks a financial strategy On the topic of what expat Iraqis think, the only Iraqi I know, Ghazi Sabir-Ali, holds strongly anti-war views: http://www.thisisbath.com/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=71037&command=displayContent&sourceNode=70589&contentPK=4106367 - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 14:23:12 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: OT 0% RH A war that lacks a financial strategy Well he would do, Mike - he is living in Ba'ath after all...! God, I kill myself sometimes, I really do... Matt >From: Michael R Godwin > >On the topic of what expat Iraqis think, the only Iraqi I know, Ghazi >Sabir-Ali, holds strongly anti-war views: >http://www.thisisbath.com/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=71037&command=displayContent&sourceNode=70589&contentPK=4106367 > >- MRG - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message your friends in real time - and for free. Get MSN Messenger today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 9:24:42 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: NYC fegs Caroline Smith wrote: > > In fact, two of the concepts chosen for the final > round were from Canadian designers, I believe. There was a third, but since it was entitled "So, how about a double-double* and a chocolate glazed**, eh?", it was dismissed out of hand. Stewart *: double-double: coffee with double milk, two sugars. "Regular" is white with sugar (ick). Quadruple-quadruple is a common order where I live. **: doughnut. From Tim's. None of that suspiciously-fresh-for-days Krispy Kreme nonsense. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:54:16 -0600 From: steve Subject: Architecture > "It succeeds both when it rises into the sky and when it descends into > the ground," said John C. Whitehead, the chairman of the development > corporation. This is why, perhaps, people should *only* be allowed to dance about it. - - Steve __________ Members of the Christ Community Church in Alamogordo, N.M., burned Harry Potter books, Star Wars items and works by Shakespeare and J.R.R. Tolkien, USA Today reported. Pastor Jack Brock called the Potter books "a masterpiece of satanic deception [that teaches] children how they can get into witchcraft." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:15:35 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: James-Sanctions and Inspections James writes, > There ain't no such thing as > an unbiased news source at the moment (ever?), especially not with the > mainstream US media *Especially* not with the mainstream US media? I take exception to this singling out in the context of the Middle East. While I agree wholeheartedly that CNN and the mainstream *televised* news media is often -- and increasingly -- a complicit flunky of US policy, and while I agree that the BBC and many other European news outlets are often more balanced, I think it's worth comparing even the biased US media with, say, Al-Jazeera and the Iraqi "news" services. In any case, I actually agree with Jeme -- the US televised news media centers are ultimately controlled by corporations that have vested interests in US policy. This compromises them terribly. > Hardly an unbiased opinion of Iraqis in general, though, is it? I suspect > that defectors and exiles from any country would have bad things to say > about the government in charge of it and want it overthrown. Otherwise they > wouldn't have defected or been exiled. Yeah, especially when they come from a Stalinist police state that routinely executes anyone who protests the regime's decisions. I think that defectors from such states have a different slant on things than, say, Canadian expats. Additionally, the fact is, it is very hard to get the real word of the "average" Iraqi. Not only does this vary wildly depending on location, tribe, religion, and ethnicity, but Saddam tightly controls all media, and it is a well known fact that most Iraqis are terrified of informers. To talk negatively to the Western media is paramount to a death threat. So consequently, what you hear an average Baghdad shopkeeper say to the NYT (said Iraqi being a Sunni, close to the regime, prosperous because of Saddam, with all words screened by the Iraqi press authorities) is going to be very different than what a Shi'ite in Karbala might write in a private journal. This is not to say that Iraqis cannot be legitimately opposed to the war -- after all, it can't be easy knowing that the US military is on its way and certainly some civilian will die -- but the situation is complicated enough for me to quibbilize your quibble. >> And many of these inspectors change their mind on and off as new evidence >> comes to light, from defectors or discoveries. Remove inspections now, lift >> all non-humanitarian sanctions, and Iraq will have the bomb within this >> decade. > > But didn't you say earlier that sanctions weren't working? This statement > of yours clearly suggests that they must be! Sanctions and inspections are different, but related, things. Sanctions are *not* working, which is one of the reasons that most non-military sanctions have been lifted recently. The fact is, Russia, China and France have been grossly compromised by Iraqi oil contracts, whereas countries like Turkey, Syria, Jordan, Iran, and the lower Gulf States are widely engaged in smuggling -- oil goes out, money and materials go in. In fact, the economies of Syria and Jordan *depend* on it, and the Saudis and Kuwaitis refuse to help them out. No one except US and Britain are really interested in sanctions anymore. Not only have they helped create a humanitarian disaster in the early 90s, they have proven to be economically unfeasible to countries that want Iraq's oil. How do you react to sanctions when TWO members of the P-5 have flagrantly violated them, and an additional member wants *all* sanctions lifted? Note -- by "sanctions" I mean economic sanctions on military equipment and a limited "dual-use" list of equipment. Medicine, food, and civilian building supplies are no longer covered by sanctions, and the former two were *always* available to Iraq, should Saddam desire it. Inspections, which have been tied to sanctions, have proven somewhat more effective, although the link between the two has grown tenuous. Recall, the inspectors were tossed out in 1998, and high-level Iraqi defectors claim that Saddam has mobilized his BW, CW, and nuclear programs, making them almost impossible to find. Even current inspectors, back in the country for only a little while, agree that Iraq is not cooperating fully. (Which is not to say they welcome a war.) It is also worthy to note that there are differences between UNSCOM and UNMOVIC, and it is largely believed (by the US and Britain) that the latter inspectors are weaker, less professional, certainly more compromised by concessions made to Iraq, and motivated more by UN politics than any real desire to see Iraq disarm completely. Recall that once military sanctions are lifted on Iraq, China, Russia and France are free to sell arms to Saddam. Hell, Iraq was responsible for 40% of French arms exports, and even *during* sanctions, China was busted for selling them sophisticated, military-grade communication networks! And Russia, during sanctions, was caught smuggling them components meant for ballistic missiles. Ballistic fucking missiles! (And, yes, I know we also helped Saddam out against Iran, I am not saying the US is an angel, and again, I feel the US wrongly aids dictators and sells out human rights. That doesn't mean we can't occasionally do some good in the world, and I am happy we have changed our minds on this tyrant. Even if that shift was motivated by his oil-threatening invasion of Kuwait, we can't go back now, you know? I don't even think *we* have the hypocrisy needed to start arming Saddam again!) Also, recall that in the early 90s, Iraq had everything they needed to make a nuke *but* the fissile materials. How long do you think it will take Saddam to get some? Especially if North Korea is allowed to crank out warheads in the near future? Whether you are for or against a US invasion, several facts remain indisputable: sanctions no longer work as intended, containment has eroded, the UN has lost its will for both, and Saddam is actively pursuing nuclear capabilities. Again, this doesn't mean you need to support an invasion. Two other options include renewed sanctions and inspections (very, very unlikely), or a shift to deterrence rather than containment (reasonable but risky). - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 07:38:22 -0700 From: Cadtharsis Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #77 > No, the novel starts with some sort of name beginning with J....like Jacob > Marley and the Sons of Bitches or something like that...Jeffrey's Ghost?? > I don't know - don't listen to me - I saw a Theolonious Monk documentary > today and haven't been able to think clearly since. > > =jbj= Jacob Lurch? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 15:24:01 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: OT 0% RH A war that lacks a financial strategy On Fri, 28 Feb 2003, matt sewell wrote: > Well he would do, Mike - he is living in Ba'ath after all...! Ha! Ha! Where's the _Party_? :) > God, I kill myself sometimes, I really do... Well, you're the one with the virtual shotgun! - - MRG n.p. Roy "C" - [you guessed it] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 08:23:53 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: I am a character in a PK Dick novel >While I enjoyed Deni's contributions, and liked JEWELS pretty well, I >have >come to realize that Robyn doesn't mean as much to me as he used to. I >don't think Deni's a cause nor is she a symptom -- it's that Robyn's > >writing isn't as sharp or memorable as it once was....and of course > >things like "I Don't Know Guildford" on STOREFRONT HITCHCOCK) bored me to > >tears. Egads! Have I slipped through a crack in reality? Is this an alternate universe list in which I agree with Miles?? What's next - Tom liking Neutral Milk Hotel??? :) n. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:32:26 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Two Pieces of Entertainment Info Didn't know either of these was happening: Mad Max 4 and I, Robot: (from Yahoo) Iraq Crisis Prompts 'Mad Max' Production Delay Fri Feb 28, 3:08 AM ET By Claude Brodesser and Don Groves HOLLYWOOD (Variety) - The prospect of a war in Iraq has prompted 20th Century Fox to postpone the production start of "Mad Max: Fury Road," the fourth installment of Mel Gibson's action adventure series. The picture was expected to begin filming in Namibia in July. Instead, writer-director George Miller won't unleash the Road Warrior and his futuristic mayhem until sometime in the fall. "Any time you do a show like this, it is a massive undertaking with enormous prep time," said Jim Gianopulos, chairman of Fox Filmed Entertainment. "In this case, it is about the movement of huge vehicles and a mass of people, and with the pending war and all the potential logistical consequences, we had the latitude to wait and let some of this stuff blow over before going into full-bore production. What we do have firmly in place is Mel and George." Gianopulos said the studio, Gibson and Miller are fully committed to shoot the film in Namibia. Fox had penciled in a tentative summer 2004 release date, but Gianopulos said the studio won't know if the film can keep that date until an actual start date is set. Fox also has on the summer schedule the Alex Proyas-directed Will Smith film "I, Robot." - --- I, Robot is slated for a 2004 release and is being directed by Alex Proyas (Dark City, The Crow). Couldn't find much info on it, though. the F S Thomas ferris@ochremedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:47:14 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Two Pieces of Entertainment Info I knew about this one... >"Mad Max: Fury Road," the >fourth installment of Mel Gibson's action adventure series. But not this one. >Fox also has on the summer schedule the Alex Proyas-directed Will Smith film >"I, Robot." I wish it was going to be directed by Crow T. Robot. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:47:41 -0700 From: "Reynolds, Russ" Subject: Re: Hitchcock published-correction "137 pages" was in fact a typo. The story is a much more reasonable 37 pages. Still one of the longer ones, though. - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 12:51:15 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Two Pieces of Entertainment Info On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 12:32 PM, FS Thomas wrote: > Fox also has on the summer schedule the Alex Proyas-directed Will Smith film "I, Robot." Which brings to mind that great Atari game (circa 1983) that I poured so many quarters into during my senior year of high school... http://www.klov.com/I/I,_Robot.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 10:08:59 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The following takes place between 1992 and the present Max: >>I heard that that whole thing was based on Neil claiming to have voted for >>Ronnie...Neil is a Canadian citizen, he can't vote here. There was more to it than that, sadly, detailed in the Neil bio "Shakey". He talked up the Reagan thing quite a bit in his "Old Ways"/International Harvesters period. Some of it was unquestionably tongue in cheek-- he would go on the Nashville Network and bash CSN for their druggy lifestyle and claim to be a clean-livin' country boy; meanwhile he'd play "Roll Another Number" with the Harvesters every night. He caught a lot of shit for the song "Union Man" on Hawks and Doves, but if you listen to it (which shouldn't be a priority, really) it's a pretty specific rip on the musicians' union, not labor in general. But he did make some genuinely disturnbing homophobic comments in the early days of the AIDS crisis that still rankle and don't square with much he's ever said before or since ("Philadelphia"???). Frankly the hardest part of that book to read for me. >>Has anyone been watching 24 this season? Kathy and I love it but for one >>problem, the Kim Bauer storyline. Me and the wife, too. Although man, has there been a lot of torture on everyone's behalf, from the first scene of this season onwards. Difficult situations require hard decisions and moral crises... got it. Move along. The George Mason subplot has paid some surprisingly rewarding dividends... sorry to see him go (if he has). Kim vs. the Cougar was this year's "amnesia" subplot. They just burn through so much plot on that show that it's bound to happen. I eagerly anticipate next year's midseason howler... Kim falls in a well? Gets abducted by aliens? It's all part of the fun. Love that show. _____ Miles: >>Hitchcock, '92-present: a sometimes interesting guy who, judged on that work alone, would only be a footnote in my collection, maybe just a sliver above Vic Chesnutt and Jack Logan. Hey, cool, something to argue about other than politics! I, too, like "Perspex Island" more than most around here, but '92-present is too wide a swath for me to get behind for less-than-stellar Robyn. The release patterns have muddied the waters (all those "companion piece" records) but I stand behind "Moss Elixir" as truly excellent, particularly in the writing department, and "Nextdoorland" puts a lot of things right for me. And "Robyn Sings" is a real sentimental favorite that brought the guy back front and center for me, albeit perhaps me alone. But I think one big reason Robyn still looms so large in my book through these years is that A) he kept going and stayed "on mission" throughout those years when his style became (even more) unfashionable, and B) he never made any of the halfhearted concessions or stylistic shifts that many of his contemporaries did in order to stay "current" or court radio play in the '90's... the examples are endless and debatable, but I don't think Robyn can be accused of this on any level. It makes the Soft Boys reunion seem a little more organic than most, if nothing else. ___ Ross: >>So, a bit late, here are the lyrics to "If You Know Time" taken >>from the wfmu broadcast. I could swear that at least once in the tune when I've heard it, the title phrase is altered to "If you've no time/If you've no time at all". If not, Robyn should consider it. That there is a good song, though. - -Rex ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #78 *******************************