From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #77 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, February 27 2003 Volume 12 : Number 077 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Impending REAP - B*T*VS [Eb ] Re: Come & have a go if you think you're hard enough ["Maximilian Lang" <] Re: anti-war songs [Miles Goosens ] RE: Impending REAP - B*T*VS [Miles Goosens ] RE: Impending REAP - B*T*VS [Eb ] Dean Wareham ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Fwd: Hitchcock published ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Fwd: Hitchcock published [John Barrington Jones ] Re: Fwd: Hitchcock published ["Maximilian Lang" ] No, really. ["Natalie Jane" ] impending reap: my love for Robyn the Hitchcock [Miles Goosens ] RE: Impending REAP - B*T*VS [Christopher Gross ] David Wells, the perfect drunk. ["Maximilian Lang" ] 24 ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: 24 [Tom Clark ] Re: 24 [Eb ] Bad Protests, Cop Rock ["Rex.Broome" ] Stoned Immaculate [Eb ] Re: 24 ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Come & have a go if you think you're hard enough [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: anti-war songs [steve ] Re: 24 [mary ] RE: 24 ["FS Thomas" ] NYC fegs ["FS Thomas" ] Re: NYC fegs [Steve Talkowski ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:39:16 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: Impending REAP - B*T*VS There was a period when I enjoyed "Buffy" a lot, but that's gone. I mostly continue watching, just because it's a fun, recurring conversation topic with a friend of mine. Really tired of endless whiny scenes between Buffy/Dawn/Willow/(Tara), where they commisserate about what each other is "going through." On the whole, the introduction of the Dawn character was probably where my enthusiasm for the show dropped off. I will say that I was pleasantly surprised that the show has somewhat rebounded from the disaster of last season (aka The Year of Meat Palace). I like the new principal character...at last, *someone* besides Buffy who has some balls. Not so crazy about the slayer-sorority angle, however. Eb PS That redheaded-lady puppet on Mr. Rogers always kinda gave me the creeps. ;) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:44:02 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Come & have a go if you think you're hard enough >From: "Rex.Broome" >>Subject: Come & have a go if you think you're hard enough >Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 12:32:19 -0500 >Neil Young's Reaganite phase. -Rex I heard that that whole thing was based on Neil claiming to have voted for Ronnie...Neil is a Canadian citizen, he can't vote here. I could be wrong, Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:58:17 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: anti-war songs At 11:37 AM 2/28/2003 +1300, James Dignan wrote: >PPS - how the hell could you spell Jeffrey WITHOUT two Fs? Ask Black Francis. Seriously, James, do ye not have Pixies albums? Or ye do, and ye're just floating a rhetorical question. Anyway: http://dag.wieers.com/debaser/lyrics/Space.php for Jeffrey's referent. later, Miles whose grandfather lost an "s" from the "Goossens" surname ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:59:47 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: Impending REAP - B*T*VS At 02:39 PM 2/27/2003 -0800, Eb wrote: >Really tired of endless >whiny scenes between Buffy/Dawn/Willow/(Tara), where they >commisserate about what each other is "going through." On the whole, >the introduction of the Dawn character was probably where my >enthusiasm for the show dropped off. Wait, I thought that was when your enthusiasm for Robyn Hitchcock dropped off... :-) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 14:59:13 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: Impending REAP - B*T*VS > >Really tired of endless >>whiny scenes between Buffy/Dawn/Willow/(Tara), where they >>commisserate about what each other is "going through." On the whole, >>the introduction of the Dawn character was probably where my >>enthusiasm for the show dropped off. > >Wait, I thought that was when your enthusiasm for Robyn Hitchcock >dropped off... :-) Maybe that came with the introduction of the *Deni* character. ;) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:02:50 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Dean Wareham Speaking of protest songs, this comes from the Luna listserv. The recent messages referred to were a bunch of pro bush pro war posts set off by my referring to Bush as a BOZO. I guess Luna has a large conservative pro war fan base. Patrick Boyle tells us: "While checking out the "Goings On About Town" section of the current (3/3) New Yorker, I noticed the following: Joe's Pub 425 Lafayette: On March 1 folk and blues singer Barbara Dane (who collected a 100+ protest songs in the "Vietnam Songbook") will perform joined by a group of younger musicians such as Dean Wareham and Thurston Moore. I hesitated to post this considering some of the recent messages found on this list. I would hate to see an angry mob of backwards-baseball-hat wearing Luna fans harangue Dean with pro-war chants. In all seriousness, this sound like, at the very least, an interesting happening and a good chance to see Dean perform." _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:04:51 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Fwd: Hitchcock published >From: noam tchotchke >>>I hold in my hand a copy of the following book: >> >>CARVED IN ROCK (Short Stories By Musicians). Edited by Greg Kihn, >>featuring stories by: . >> Hitchcock's story is called "Narcissus" and runs 137 pages. Haven't >>read it yet. Is this the Novel we have heard so much about? I would think so. Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:14:14 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Fwd: Hitchcock published > >> Hitchcock's story is called "Narcissus" and runs 137 pages. Haven't > >>read it yet. > > Is this the Novel we have heard so much about? I would think so. No, the novel starts with some sort of name beginning with J....like Jacob Marley and the Sons of Bitches or something like that...Jeffrey's Ghost?? I don't know - don't listen to me - I saw a Theolonious Monk documentary today and haven't been able to think clearly since. =jbj= ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:18:22 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Fwd: Hitchcock published >From: John Barrington Jones >I don't know - don't listen to me - I saw a Theolonious Monk documentary >today and haven't been able to think clearly since. Straight No Chaser? I don't think that there is a moment iin that movie where Monk isn't wearing a hat...even in bed. Trivia, Art Monk of the Redskins is his cousin. Max _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:24:34 -0800 From: "Natalie Jane" Subject: No, really. >But you missed most of the whole Iraq debate - I believe we've posted > >about 500,000 words on the topic thus far. I'll dig through my archives > >and forward them all to you. No, that's OK, I've been lurking in the archives so - no, it's OK, really - no - NO!!!! >We knew you'd be back. I think from time to time we all stray to other >lists, only to realize that they're mostly populated by whiny fanboys >who >want to do a "favorite song" poll every two weeks. Oh man, the Postcard guys are different. These people are GENUINELY ENRAGED because their favorite band DARED to change styles and personnel. The (very typical) comment that finally made me snap: "[Calexico's] Feast of Wire is all YHF could have been if [Wilco's] Jeff Tweedy hadn't decided to shit on everything he's done in the past." My response included the phrase "Cry me a fucking river." I think that's the first time I've ever said that. >Welcome back, and fuck you. Oh my god, I love you, Tom. Fuck you too! *weeps* n. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:36:01 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: impending reap: my love for Robyn the Hitchcock At 02:59 PM 2/27/2003 -0800, Eb wrote: >> >Really tired of endless >>>whiny scenes between Buffy/Dawn/Willow/(Tara), where they >>>commisserate about what each other is "going through." On the whole, >>>the introduction of the Dawn character was probably where my >>>enthusiasm for the show dropped off. >> >>Wait, I thought that was when your enthusiasm for Robyn Hitchcock >>dropped off... :-) > >Maybe that came with the introduction of the *Deni* character. ;) Ha! While I enjoyed Deni's contributions, and liked JEWELS pretty well, I have come to realize that Robyn doesn't mean as much to me as he used to. I don't think Deni's a cause nor is she a symptom -- it's that Robyn's writing isn't as sharp or memorable as it once was. I really came to understand this with JfS, because most of the songs I had heard from it in acoustic format (one live show, many live tapes, and of course things like "I Don't Know Guildford" on STOREFRONT HITCHCOCK) bored me to tears. I found this very sad, since Robyn's solo/acoustic stuff through 1990 always rocked my world. However, when JfS came out, I found myself liking its versions of those songs. When puzzling over how this should have happened, I realized that what I was enjoying was Robyn singing over Jon Brion's creative production, and not so much the *songs* themselves. The JfS "hooks" were mostly Brion, IMO, and Robyn's tunes remain mired in less-than-memorable status. I guess I'd buck list trend by saying the incredibly underrated PERSPEX ISLAND was the last one I liked without qualifications, but that's how I feel. NEXTDOORLAND was the most interesting thing I've heard from him since PERSPEX -- in fact, it's the record I wish he'd made next -- but I still can't raise my enthusiasm level for Robyn to where it used to be. Hitchcock '78-'91: a vital part of my musical life, a wizard, a true star, and "yes" may well have been a valid answer when CREEM's posed its "Is This Man God?" question on that cover. Hitchcock, '92-present: a sometimes interesting guy who, judged on that work alone, would only be a footnote in my collection, maybe just a sliver above Vic Chesnutt and Jack Logan. Saddam who?, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:33:34 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: No, really. on 2/27/03 3:24 PM, Natalie Jane at emma_blowgun@hotmail.com wrote: > Oh man, the Postcard guys are different. These people are GENUINELY ENRAGED > because their favorite band DARED to change styles and personnel. The (very > typical) comment that finally made me snap: "[Calexico's] Feast of Wire is > all YHF could have been if [Wilco's] Jeff Tweedy hadn't decided to shit on > everything he's done in the past." My response included the phrase "Cry me > a fucking river." I think that's the first time I've ever said that. > Yet so apropos for an alt.country list! >> Welcome back, and fuck you. > > Oh my god, I love you, Tom. Fuck you too! *weeps* I think you know how I feel... Regarding worst anti-war songs ever: I don't have my Shaggs CD handy, but I seem to remember some sort of half-assed protest song on that one. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:37:14 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: RE: Impending REAP - B*T*VS On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Miles Goosens wrote: > I think BUFFY's been excellent this year, and the only year I think > they *mildly* slumped was last year, and then only for a few > middle-chaptery episodes. This is more or less the way I feel too. If I was to rate the seven seasons of Buffy according to the letter system used in most US schools, it would look something like this: season 1: A- season 2: A+ season 3: A+ season 4: A- season 5: A season 6: B+ season 7: A- (so far) Of course, this is me, and I seem to be Joss Whedon's perfect target audience. Everything he does just resonates with me. I love Buffy, love Angel, loved Firefly. He could probably film his laundry list and I'd watch it. I am Joss's bitch. - --Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 18:44:33 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: David Wells, the perfect drunk. David Wells was still drunk from a party the previous night when he pitched his perfect game. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/yankees/2003-02-27-wells_x.htm _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:00:58 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: David Wells, the perfect drunk. on 2/27/03 3:44 PM, Maximilian Lang at maximlang@hotmail.com wrote: > David Wells was still drunk from a party the previous night when he pitched > his perfect game. > > http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/yankees/2003-02-27-wells_x.htm > Still doesn't beat Doc Ellis pitching a no-hitter on acid: http://www.sirbacon.org/4membersonly/docellis.htm - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:32:29 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: 24 Has anyone been watching 24 this season? Kathy and I love it but for one problem, the Kim Bauer storyline. Isn't it a bit Perils of Pauline? I mean, she was stalked by a mountain line, trapped by a survivalist, in a car accident, wrongly suspected and held for murder and kidnapping and thats only the first half of the season, 12 hours in real time. I hear it's renewed, maybe they can drop the bomb on her character...nah, she's cute. Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:36:50 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: 24 on 2/27/03 4:32 PM, Maximilian Lang at maximlang@hotmail.com wrote: > Has anyone been watching 24 this season? Kathy and I love it but for one > problem, the Kim Bauer storyline. Isn't it a bit Perils of Pauline? I > mean, she was stalked by a mountain line, trapped by a survivalist, in a car > accident, wrongly suspected and held for murder and kidnapping and thats > only the first half of the season, 12 hours in real time. I hear it's > renewed, maybe they can drop the bomb on her character...nah, she's cute. Agreed. She spent one entire episode in that leg trap in the woods. BooHoo. But man, she looked damn fine in that white T-Shirt. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:37:38 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: 24 >Has anyone been watching 24 this season? Kathy and I love it but >for one problem, the Kim Bauer storyline. Everyone on Earth says this. ;) Even folks who work on the show. Still the best show on television, though. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:47:34 -0500 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Bad Protests, Cop Rock Jeffrey FF: >>But let me try... Good lord almighty! I just meant to *cite* a bad protest song. But such a project is hopeless now. You win! Although Terrance's suggestion was pretty damned strong. Two more contenders: check out the pointed Reagan-bashing on the song "Homeless" by Old Skull, the punk band comprised of nine-year-old kids. I guess they'd be, like, 23 or so now. Hope they're still not trotting that one out. And I'll also throw the English translation of "99 Red Balloons" into the hat. ___ Catherine corrects: >>"if you have a daughter, bounce her on your knee. If you have a son, send the >>blighter off to sea". ... not so much "war" as I had it. (Which explains why I had so much trouble remembering what you were supposed to do if you had a daughter). So scratch that one! Just got my web access back, so I won't have such problems in the future. ___ Eb: >>Those Millers can be an exasperating clan. They'd probably say the same thing of the Broomes, if they only knew. ____ Miles: >>Best Show Ever? It's right up there for me, along with (in no particular order) >>HILL STREET BLUES, SCTV, the first ten seasons of THE SIMPSONS, >>NEWHART, HOMICIDE, MONTY PYTHON'S FLYING CIRCUS, MYSTERY >>SCIENCE THEATRE 3000, and, of course, COP ROCK. Ah, you truly haven't lived until, like myself, you've wasted a solid half hour at work watching an old 3/4" tape of an episode of "Cop Rock" with the dialogue dubbed into Spanish, but with the songs still in English with subtitles. ____ James: >>how the hell could you spell Jeffrey WITHOUT two Fs? Aha. If you hadn't already confessed to disliking the Pixies, we would all know now. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 16:44:14 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Stoned Immaculate Between Interpol and last night's Queens of the Stone Age gig, these were the best back-to-back shows I've seen in awhile. Last night was an especially nifty 'n' new experience, because I was not only seeing QOTSA for the first time, but also going to the Ventura Theater for the first time ever (now that I know where it's located, I can understand why). I went to QOTSA with the legendary Lawndart, which entailed driving up to L.A. and then riding with him further north to the venue. I had no idea how far away it was -- it was a 45-minute drive beyond Hollywood. In the wintery air, with a passenger window which only closed halfway. Brrr. I was thinking it would be just 15-20 minutes away. Dopey me. The venue wasn't much different from L.A. spots like the Palace, the Henry Fonda and the Mayan -- an aging, old-time theater with a balcony and marquee, and various gothic carvings in the walls and ceiling. Except this theater wasn't quite as well-maintained. A bit seedier. The second level had a lobby where the walls were painted bright blue with yellow stars -- tacky, but kinda cute. The first floor had a somewhat unusual tier structure. There were four or five different levels of standing room, from the stage all the way up to the bar. Given that the show was a sell-out, it was surprisingly easy to slip down to the bottom. Except we ended up settling for the second tier, to avoid the moshers. As we arrived, Rye Coalition was playing. Just some bash-it-out MC5 kind of act, which didn't do a thing for me. Enough said. The Queens were miles better, and lived up to all my expectations. I saw the setlist on the Web today, and discovered that the band varies its program quite a bit from night to night. Good! This night's set evenly split 16 songs between the last two albums, then added two more from the relatively obscure debut. I wouldn't have expected guest singer Mark Lanegan to be on the tour at all, but he made a sizeable contribution. He sang or co-sang five (?) songs in a row, plus one more later tune. It was nice to see Lanegan get that showcase, since his own band Screaming Trees is such an obvious influence on the Queens. (Then again, I don't think he was ever introduced by name, and I'd be surprised if even one in 20 audience members were familiar with Lanegan's work. Oh well...here's hoping they start reading album credits more closely.) The band is a strange collection of types. There was the austere, nu-metal bassist, with his shaved head and pointy beard. The drummer was sweaty, shirtless and abundantly tattoed. The guitarist (sometimes, the keyboardist or slide guitarist) was in a dark suit, and looked like he might be on loan from Interpol. And then there was singer/guitarist Josh Homme, whose appearance doesn't fit the band's sound at all. A tall, beefy guy with a clean, '50s-style haircut, he looks like he should be wearing a letterman's jacket. Or playing Becky's boyfriend in a "Roseanne" rerun. I generally have nothing but positive things to say about the band's polished, hard-rock swirlings, but the set did have three wee minuses. 1) The sound was a bit muddy -- I couldn't even understand Homme's occasional between-song comments. 2) The lighting scheme was a misfire. Three white canvas disks were hung on the back curtain, and songs would sometimes end "dramatically," as the stage lights dropped and a silhouetted image was projected on one of the disks. It just wasn't much of a visual effect. Similarly, there were four or five spotlights positioned around the stage, which pointed askew into the audience with sort of a "Bat signal" format. One light had a devil's pitchfork in the center, another had an ashtray...I think another had a "$" sign...I forget the other icons. As with the disk projections, these lights mostly employed just varying intensities of white. They simply weren't very eye-catching. Maybe the house lights should have been lower? 3) One of the songs from the first album was stretched out with a spacy, drumless duet between the two guitarists, and the music's excitement level abruptly dropped off the chart. Wake me when it's over. I just frowned and waited for Homme to start singing "Way, way down insiiiiiiide" in his best Percy voice. Didn't happen, though the song eventually lurched back into gear. Other than those quibbles, it was an excellent show. I just wish the band's music had a bit more variety -- maybe a song or two where Homme (with his excellent, creamy voice) really stands apart from the music, instead of being just a textural cog in the machine. On this night, the primary change-of-pace was the second album's spidery "I Think I Lost My Headache," which has extended instrumental sections apparently written in 15/8 time. I would have welcomed a few more offbeat tunes like this one. During one of the late songs (maybe the above "Headache"?), one guy ran onstage from the right and started dancing. The roadies jumped in to remove him, but Homme held them off. The guy boogied around for a couple of minutes while the band jammed, briefly shared the mic with Homme to address the crowd, then finally dove back into the crowd. A fun rock 'n' roll moment. As for the *worst* rock 'n' roll moment, this occured in my own Great Whited head, when I caught myself silently noting the location of the nearest EXIT door. Yikes. Hopefully, I'll be seeing Tortoise tomorrow night.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:46:10 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: 24 >From: Eb >>Has anyone been watching 24 this season? Kathy and I love it but for one >>problem, the Kim Bauer storyline. > >Everyone on Earth says this. ;) Even folks who work on the show. > >Still the best show on television, though. > >Eb Strongly agreed. Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 19:00:54 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Come & have a go if you think you're hard enough Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > No takers on my "Worst. Protest Song. Ever." challenge? How about that "Angry American" piece of crap by the redneck Alf then decided he wouldn't be caught dead with in those horrible cheap phone call commercials. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:49:07 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: if you know time (protest songs) So, a bit late, here are the lyrics to "If You Know Time" taken from the wfmu broadcast. If someone else has already posted them, sorry, but they seemed timely. IF YOU KNOW TIME there?s a wall inside you and it wants to smash your head if you know time there?s a door inside you and it wants to slam you shut if you know time if you know time at all if you know time there?s a law inside you with a real enforcin? sherriff with a badge, a gun and a jaw there?s a man inside you with his fingers at the wheel he crashes you no matter how you feel now you know time if you know time at all if you know time [break] there?s a voice inside me an erasor[?] in my head you know I love you you know that?s what I said I can walk you through the rain I can see your face again if you know time if you know time at all if you know time in the war that?s coming setting good guys against good it?s always a good cause you fight because you should you can chop ?em down like weeds but you?ll never make them love you don?t you know time don?t you know time at all don?t you know if you know if you know if you know time & just for completeness, here are my comments from my earlier email-- Most of the verses are arguably about Death, but I think it builds up to the anti-war statement of the last verse or so. Death is inside all of us, and his absoluteness is linked to our most unbending harsh impulses. (Time=death for humans) The last few verses give two ways of dealing with time: love ("I can see your face again") and war ("you'll never make them love you") with the suggestion that the latter is a historical addiction. Ross Taylor Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 22:02:39 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: anti-war songs On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 09:42 AM, Jill Brand wrote: > The President reflects my mood at the moment quite well. http://www.topica.com/lists/psychohistory/read/ message.html?mid=1711891071&sort=d&start=4389 - - Steve __________ They tend to be people who are insecure and vain. They are frequently nervous about their marriages and uncomfortable about parenthood. They often lack confidence in their driving skills. Above all, they are apt to be self-centered and self-absorbed, with little interest in their neighbors. - Keith Bradsher's summary of the auto industry's own marketing research about SUV buyers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:06:37 -0500 From: mary Subject: Re: 24 >>>Has anyone been watching 24 this season? Kathy and I love it but for >>>one problem, the Kim Bauer storyline. >> >>Everyone on Earth says this. ;) Even folks who work on the show. >> >>Still the best show on television, though. >> >>Eb > > Strongly agreed. > > Max Yeah, the Kim Bauer storyline was trouble from the get-go. I thought the whole nanny/abusive father parts of the show were just plain bad. I guess they had to give her some excuse to not escape from LA. However, I do enjoy the show immensely. 24, Coupling, and The Office are the only shows I can count on to entertain me these days. s.Mary ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:30:09 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: 24 - -----Original Message----- > Yeah, the Kim Bauer storyline was trouble from the get-go. I thought the whole nanny/abusive father parts of the show were just plain bad. I guess they had to give her some excuse to not escape from LA. However, I do enjoy the show immensely. 24, Coupling, and The Office are the only shows I can count on to entertain me these days. s.Mary > I've found that show (24) to be one of the few truly engaging ones available on the Big 4. I'll admit I haven't given The Office a shot yet. Perhaps soon. The Bauer situation: I've been waiting for a tie-in with the father in the relationship. Can't there be some far-flung coincidence? I'm waiting. - -f. PS: and props to Keifer for coming back for another season. I was a bit surprised when they went with another season and agreed to keep it to a continuous storyline. Congrats to Fox on not caving on that. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:32:16 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: NYC fegs So, what's the local opinion on the designs for the Trade Center site? (Non-NYC fegs need not reply) - -f. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 23:44:43 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: NYC fegs On Thursday, February 27, 2003, at 11:32 PM, FS Thomas wrote: > So, what's the local opinion on the designs for the Trade Center site? I respect the work of Daniel Libeskind and support the choice of his proposal. My favorite proposal was by Norman Foster. The absolute WORST proposal was the horrific, giant "#" sign by Richard Meier. I think you need to be subscribed (it's free) to read this link: - -Steve ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #77 *******************************