From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #74 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 26 2003 Volume 12 : Number 074 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: Dennis Miller ["FS Thomas" ] RE: Dennis Miller ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: protest songs no RH content [Sabina Carlson ] RE: Dennis Miller ["Maximilian Lang" ] 'nother reap [Sabina Carlson ] more protest songs [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] You'll Have To Let The Old World Go ["The Mammal Brain" Subject: RE: Dennis Miller I poked the underbelly of the internet and came up with a fractured and incomplete transcript of Miller on Leno last night. It's long and I haven't bothered to edit it any: - ----------------------- Dennis Miller: Bush "Makes Me Proud to be an American Again" Comedian/actor Dennis Miller is the opposite of comedian Bill Maher, the former host of ABC's Politically Incorrect. While Maher rants about the evils of the U.S. and complains about how "depressing" it is that President Bush is "so popular when he has really done so little" to fight terrorism, Dennis Miller on Wednesday's Tonight Show praised Bush's anti-terrorism efforts, favored attacking Iraq and juxtaposed the "wocka-wocka porno guitar of the Clinton administration" with how Bush "makes me proud to be an American again. He's just a decent guy." Miller offered Jay Leno an explanation for his apparent shift to the right over the past few years: "I began to go off liberal America when they insisted to me that Rudy Giuliani was a bad guy...they always like tinged on the Nazi reference. 'He's a storm-trooper! He's a bad guy!' Every time I'd go to New York it was cleaner and safer and I'd think, 'Wait a second how bad a guy can this guy be?'" For Maher's election night comments on CNN: http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2002/cyb20021106.asp#6 Last week when Larry King suggested to Maher that Americans "try to do good, don't we? I mean we're basically good," Maher rejected the notion: "No. Not for the rest of the world." Maher proceeded to charge: "Iraqis, I think, feel that if we drove smaller cars, maybe we wouldn't have to kill them for their oil because certainly the first Gulf War was about cheap gas." More: http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2002/cyb20021104.asp#9 MRC analyst Geoffrey Dickens took down much of what Miller, who was a commentator on ABC's Monday Night Football last season and who has had a weekly half-hour comedy show on HBO, observed using his wry wit on the November 6 Tonight Show on NBC: Jay Leno: "I'm fascinated to hear your take on the election. Because you always have a little different look at things than most Hollywood people." Dennis Miller: "I want to congratulate my President. I think he had a great day. I think George Bush is a good man." [applause] Leno: "Yeah? He did a fine job." Miller: "I think, I think he's a good man and I think he's done a fine job in these last two years. I don't think he's a great man but I would prefer that our President would be a good man because great men tend to believe they're great men and then they end up not being great men any more. I like Bush because he seems like a regular decent guy. And you know what? He's a big picture guy. Which just shocks me. Because when he first came into the office I think many of us thought that he was the sort of guy who watched television one pixel at a time. But uh, shockingly he's proven himself to be a big picture guy. I like his sense of humor. At least I hope it's his sense of humor. I uh, sometimes think it's Norm Crosby's sense of humor. But uh, I think the thing I like most about him is that he's not Clinton. I just think he's a decent guy. I mean, you know..." [applause] Miller: "I'm telling ya when I watch those, the videotape of the retarded kids playing uh, tee-ball on the White House lawn, on the field that he built for them. Leno: "Yeah." Miller: "And I juxtapose it with Clinton and the wocka-wocka porno guitar of the Clinton administration. I just like Bush, he makes me proud to be an American again. He's just a decent guy." Leno: "He is a decent guy. But do you-" Miller: "And you know what, what? Jay what, what are the Democrats really offering? You know I consider both sides in an election before I vote. I looked at what the Democrats are saying. They're saying, 'Listen we want more of your money and we're not really keen on preemptively protecting you from bad guys.' You know what folks? I don't want the bad guys to have the next move. I don't want to see two more big buildings blown up." Miller soon explained: "Listen, I began to go off liberal America when they insisted to me that Rudy Giuliani was a bad guy. You remember that years ago? How they told us Rudy Giuliani, they always like tinged on the Nazi reference." Leno: "Right, right, yeah right." Miller: "'He's a storm-trooper! He's a bad guy!' Every time I'd go to New York it was cleaner and safer and I'd think, 'Wait a second how bad a guy can this guy be?' And now you don't hearing anybody saying that because it's been proven out that Rudy Giuliani is a good man...." After an ad break, he elaborated on Iraq: "It's not a perfect world. Listen I think Bush's old man could have ended this whole dilemma in the Middle East around 12 years ago. We were like two exits away on the Jersey Turnpike from croaking this toad and we back off because the coalition doesn't want us to go up the road. Are you kidding me? The coalition? This better not happen again. You know Tony Blair is a cute kid and one of my favorite Martin Short characters in waiting, but the simple fact is we don't consult the Brits on anything anymore. We haven't listened to them since our boys dressed up like the Hakawi tribe and boosted all the Tetley tea in the Beantown Harbor around 200 years ago. I don't want to ask the Brits what to do here. We gotta assassinate Saddam Hussein. Why have we taken assassination off the table as a viable political tool? And yet they'll tell you the collateral damage of civilians is acceptable. But you're not allowed to assassinate the main pain in the ass. My theory is if you have trouble with your conscience pretend you're trying to kill the guy next to him and think of him as collateral damage, alright?! If that will allow you to get to bed at night." [applause] Miller: "Listen. Negotiating with Saddam Hussein is about as practical as practicing aroma therapy on a French man. Okay? It's not going to happen." Miller took on liberal wimpiness: "You know I find our approach to the, the war on terrorism to be amazingly non-chalant. I mean the simple fact is we are not being protective enough of ourselves. I think that was a mandate yesterday saying, 'Listen! We don't want these morons trying to croak us!' You know when the Al-Qaeda made a big mistake? Is when they whiffed that dog on videotape? That got the liberals into it. Because they're all sitting at home with their Marmaduke day-planner saying, 'Wait a second? They croaked a puppy? Now it's on mother-[bleeped]!" [applause] (from http://www.mediaresearch.org/cyberalerts/2002/cyb20021108.asp#7) - -f. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Maximilian Lang Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 8:23 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: Dennis Miller >From: Tom Clark >>I never saw him as either Dem. or Rep., I think he's more of a >>Libertarian, >actually. I know he was on some talk show last night which I didn't see, >so >I suppose you're referring to something he must have said there. Well, it was triggered by his Tonight Show appearance last night. It was the second one in about a month or so. He only talks about kickin' ass in Iraq and what a great job Bush is doing in office. Last night he spent half the time on a mean spirited lot of French slamming. I mean hey, nobody likes a French joke as much as me but it was just such propaganda, like it was written by the Bush speech writers. I mean he can like whoever and whatever he wants, he's lost me though. I have better things to laugh about than our rushing off to war and how rosy the world will be, go team! >On a related note, anybody see Bill Maher's HBO show? It's gonna take a >few >more samples before I'll know how I feel about it. Never really cared for >him as a comic in the first place. I like him as a show host and not as a standup. I like the fact that he's someone who will ask questions about just about anything people believe. Even when he believes in something or does not he provides a forum for an opposing view. I will, as a fan of his point out that I don't think he always believes what he says, sometimes only saying things to be outrageous and shocking. I do miss that 12:05 daily timeslot though. Max _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:53:05 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: Dennis Miller >From: "FS Thomas" >Reply-To: >To: "'Maximilian Lang'" , >Subject: RE: Dennis Miller >Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:43:49 -0500 > >I poked the underbelly of the internet and came up with a fractured and >incomplete transcript of Miller on Leno last night. It's long and I >haven't bothered to edit it any: Thanks, but that is a transcript of the previous appearance, more of the same anyway but more so. Max _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:08:47 -0500 From: Sabina Carlson Subject: Re: protest songs no RH content my favourite anti-war song (though it's kinda more anti-blind faith, but i think it still works!), is bob dylan's "with god on our side". that's a good song to put on a comp, and i think robyn would approve :-) . there's a lot of good ones though. dylan's is just the first i can think of. "Oh my name it is nothin' My age it means less The country I come from Is called the Midwest I's taught and brought up there The laws to abide And that land that I live in Has God on its side. Oh the history books tell it They tell it so well The cavalries charged The Indians fell The cavalries charged The Indians died Oh the country was young With God on its side. Oh the Spanish-American War had its day And the Civil War too Was soon laid away And the names of the heroes I's made to memorize With guns in their hands And God on their side. Oh the First World War, boys It closed out its fate The reason for fighting I never got straight But I learned to accept it Accept it with pride For you don't count the dead When God's on your side. When the Second World War Came to an end We forgave the Germans And we were friends Though they murdered six million In the ovens they fried The Germans now too Have God on their side. I've learned to hate Russians All through my whole life If another war starts It's them we must fight To hate them and fear them To run and to hide And accept it all bravely With God on my side. But now we got weapons Of the chemical dust If fire them we're forced to Then fire them we must One push of the button And a shot the world wide And you never ask questions When God's on your side. In a many dark hour I've been thinkin' about this That Jesus Christ Was betrayed by a kiss But I can't think for you You'll have to decide Whether Judas Iscariot Had God on his side. So now as I'm leavin' I'm weary as Hell The confusion I'm feelin' Ain't no tongue can tell The words fill my head And fall to the floor If God's on our side He'll stop the next war." yeah, it's sarcastic and cynical, but it's a damn good song, hehe. it actually has more to do with blind faith and rhetoric and stuff, but at the same time it's an anti-war song.... so i guesss it counts, right? anyways, yeah! "no, no, no, it's chorus, verse, verse, chorus, verse, bridge, chorus!" and it's only a poisonous plant, sabina sheena - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Wells" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 2:25 PM Subject: Re: protest songs no RH content > Kenneth: > > > does anyone have a favorite(s) anti-war song? I am compiling a list for > a > > > possible cd project. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 19:07:30 +0000 From: Subject: war ditties... This is a Boingo dittie (from their least popular era that people call heavy metal) It was written at the beginning of the last Bushwar. It is a favorite of mine. Happies, - -Markg - --- War Again Don't you know we got smart bombs, it's a good thing that our bombs are clever. Don't you know that the smart bombs are so clever, they only kill bad people. Don't you know though our kids are dumb, we got smart bombs, what a joyous thing. Here we go so let's drink a toast, to those clever bombs, and the men who built them. (Chorus) There they go now, there go all my friends There they go now, marching off to war again With their bright flags waving in the wind There they go now, marching off to war again Smiling proudly, with their heads in the clouds. Don't you know this is better than any video friend. It's an action movie. Here we go watch the bad guys get their butts kicked. Really makes me feel good. Here we go watching CNN, the adrenaline rushes through my veins. Don't you know it's a feel good show, electronic bliss. It's a video, video... (Chorus) Aren't you glad we got smart bombs, it's a damn good thing our bombs are clever It's a shame that our kids are dumb, but our bombs are smart, what a lucky thing now Don't you know it's a feel good show and it's suitable for the whole darn family Come on out everybody shout, give a big salute to our ingenuity Don't you know this is better than, any video friend, it's an action movie... Here we go, watch the bad guys get their butts kicked, and it makes me feel good. Don't you know it's Nintendo, really gets the blood flowing thru my veins now Don't you know it's a feel-good show, electronic bliss, it's a video, video ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:16:51 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: RE: Dennis Miller Hmmm, Ferris, I found this online, maybe that was last night's show , I was kinda tired. I think I might be confused because it was edited. It loses alot without the smarmy anxious tone as well. Anyhow this is from a few weeks prior on the Tonight show. Leno: Did you watch the State of The Union Address? Miller: I was fascinated by the number of standing ovations. I was looking for Denny Hastert to fall over though. Im sure he doesnt get much exercise during the year. Hes sitting there with his Krispe Kreme IV in his arm. I missed seeing Trent Lott in the crowd. Isnt that unbelievable? That guy should have never been elected just on account of his hairpiece! That thing could blink a cop killers bullet! Leno: (laughing) Blink a cop killers bullet? Ill write that down. Miller: Im a Bush fan. And I know if you say that in this town people go crazybut how long can we wait with these morons?! To me Hans Blix is like Weapons Inspector Crusoe. Theyre driving around Iraq in the Scooby Doo van looking for weapons. Listen! We dont need anyone to present evidence. Do we really need to know everything? Cant we assume that Iraq and al-Qaeda have each other on speed dial? Theyre both lunatics. Im surprised by all the people who think Bush should call up Hollywood for advice and let them know whats going on. This town cant keep secrets! I know Craig Kilborns deal for God sakes! What would he call out here for? Its just our turn now Jay. They got us. Its our turn. Someone is going to get blown up. I wish more people in this town would get on board  Sean Penn for instance is showing restraint. What could we possibly say to get Sean Penn on board? If only Saddam was the paparazzi. Now Sean, Ive met him. Hes a good guy but hes the sort of guy that if I see him now on the street hell come up to me and want to kick my ass because I insinuated that he wasnt peaceful. Thats the dichotomy out here. We dont need to see a smoking gun  except for the one that blew off his (Saddam) head! We know that Saddam is a horrible human being. He needs to be turned upside-down in the town square and let the Kurds take care of him. Its time to even the score. These guys are over there talking trash about us! Now we got Saddams moron playboy son Udah talking trash. Let me tell you, Udah is in between Cosmos at the local nightclub regime talking shit right now. Udah? Thats what hes going to be saying when our Navy Seals run over him like the bulls at Pamplona! Leno: What do you think about the French and the Germans? Miller: The French and the Germans? What do we care? Theres a reason why the only French most people know in this country is oh contraire. The only way well get the French on board is if we tell them weve found truffles in Iraq. Who cares! The French are people that take a day off work nationally on the day they invented grenades. And do you think the country that gave us the last Hitler is even willing to concede the existence of Saddam? I think that most Germans wake up each morning thinking, I hope that Hitler thing was a bad dream. Then they turn the coffee on and go about the rest of their day pissed off. Why do we need Germanys blessing? The only thing the Germans give a blessing to are sneezes. Its just time to go in now. Who is going to stop us in Iraq? The elite Republican Guard? You dont even hear about them this time like we did the last war. All we heard last time about these guys was how they were all this cadre of killing machines. Let me tell you  The Republican Guard was in Vegas last week opening up for Wayne Newton. If I was running things Id make our whole Air Force those unmanned drones that way none of our boys would be put in harms way. Do you like that thing, the unmanned drone? If I gave my 12 year old a barker lounger, a bag of Doritos and a toggle switch hed fly one of those drones up Saddams ass and wake him up! My kid is a military genius waiting to happen. Leno: What about North Korea? Miller: Well thats the real reason why we invade Iraq. You know that heat applied to sand makes glass. I hope after we leave Iraq it will look like Supermans dads apartment on Krypton. Then we can turn to North Korea and say, You want a piece of this (bleeped out) mother fucker?! Listen, you know Kim Jong Il has to be a ruthless dictator with that hairdo. Hes like the Buddy Holly of the Pan-Pacific. Hes like a Chia-Dictator. I hope that if we blow his head off that someone will save that thing and bring it back because Id pay five cents to go inside some circus tent to look at it. Leno: Now youve got a plan on how to attack North Korea? Miller: Yeah I do, I brought along some video if we could see that.watch this. (Video plays showing North Korean troops doing a high step march through a street) Now look at thisthey are most vulnerable when they march. See that? They get that leg up in the air. We just need to develop some sort of groin laser beam. Well have them dropping to the floor. Leno: What about the Democrats? Miller: The Democrats. Look its now 7 out of 10 Americans that are for this war. I dont want to trivialize it, war is a bad thing. But if dont do it, whats next? Everythings connected and before long I think the Democrats will have to come onboard. Look Gore saw the light - and good riddance! Gore lost me when he said he wasnt for vouchers. Now we cant all agree on much but I think we can all agree that the public school system has gone to hell in a hand basket. Why not try vouchers? Why not let parents have the choice of where to send their kids if its not working out somewhere else? Weve got too much B.S. educational happy talk from liberals in our schools. They dont even want to grade anymore. Forget the grades. A D is just a B without a belt on. Next thing you know youre 40 years old saying you want something to bink with that dig mac? Listen, this whole country has gotten soft. They no longer let dodge ball be played in schools. Isnt life just one big 75 year episode of getting hit in the balls with something?! We need dodge ball! And then we got the ACLU. This Christmas the ACLU was out trying to get public displays of the Nativity Scene removed. Yeah, thats the problem with America  public displays of Jesus birth. The ACLU will no longer defend public displays of the Nativity Scene but they will defend the local freak that wants to stumble onto the scene and have sex with the sheep! > _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 22:28:11 -0500 From: Sabina Carlson Subject: 'nother reap reap: tom glazer, big city folk singer, the guy who wrote "on top of spaghetti". had a song recorded by bob dylan. he was 88. died on friday. r.i.p. interesting fact: his brother produced "the producers" and it's only a poisonous plant, sabina sheena ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 17:38:50 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: more protest songs >Eric Bogle "And the Band Played Waltzing Matilda" and "Green fields of >France". The Pogues do a great rendition of the former. These last two are >perhaps two of the best anti-war songs ever written I've just remembered he also wrote the heartfelt "My youngest son came home today", another great anti-war song, but pretty specifically related to Northern Ireland. Dammit, how could I forget "Draft morning", especially since the Chills also recorded it (on the "Time between" Byrds tribute album)? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 20:59:28 -0800 From: "The Mammal Brain" Subject: You'll Have To Let The Old World Go all right, i just don't have the time to participate in this forum these days. but i do like to peek into the archives every now and again, just to see what's what in fegworld. so just a few quick responses here. i've written quite a bit about this topic, and encourage interested parties to check out and for more. lots and lots of links at both sites. for what it's worth, the best single piece i've seen is "Behind The Invasion Of Iraq", located at . fairly lengthy. but i suspect that i'm far the slowest reader in fegdom, and i read it all in an afternoon. it's not your decision to make, nor is it george bush's. has anybody asked the iraqis if they *want* to be "liberated" by the united states? of course not. 80% or more of the world's population is opposed to war, the number rising the closer one gets to the region -- 95% in turkey, for example. even the security council, many of whose members' motives are despicable is *firmly* set against war. the u.s. will probably be able to buy and bully its way to a vote "authorising" war. is this how democracy works in 2003? *nobody* outside the united states considers iraq to be a "threat". yet, if the world *did* consider him to be one, then, the way to remove the threat is through the means set down in the UN charter. suffice to say, the methods currently being practised by the "civilised world" are far afoul of the charter. actually, the number is over 1,000,000 killed since the gulf war -- mostly children. killed not by *saddam's* "manipulation" of the sanctions, but by the *united states'* propagation of and "manipulation" of (placing billions of dollars worth of "holds" on needed supplies, for example) the sanctions. this has been *extremely* well documented. see for example , , and . at the same time, scott ritter, ray zilinskas, hans blix, richard butler, and other inspectors repeatedly stated in 1998 that iraq had been "qualitatively disarmed", or essentially disarmed, or that they were three-quarters of the way around the last lap, etc.. yet, the sanctions stayed on. why? and why, when UN 687 mandated iraqi disarmament *in the context* of region-wide disarmament, did the united states continue to arm to the teeth israel, turkey, saudi arabia, and egypt? (or, rather, why did the united states get away with openly violating 687 while iraq was more less in compliance?) and why should iraq be forced to forego its WMD while so many other nations -- including, principally the u.s., which is in its own league when it comes to *using* them upon helpless civilian populations - -- continue to maintain such programmes? is it because, "we are the indispensible nation. we stand tall. we see farther into the future," (to use madeleine albright's words)? and why the fuck -- when it is *official* (that is to say, we don't have to wait 30 years for the documents to be declassified) u.s. policy to use nuclear weapons in the case of "unexpected" battlefield developments, or if bunkers are "too deep" for conventional weapons; when the u.s. has dropped *thousands* of tons of depleted uranium upon iraq, serbia, afghanistan, vieques, and okinawa -- causing *massive* short- *and* long-term civilian and ecological devastation; when the united states is apparently planning to use *non*-depleted uranium munitions in iraq (and may have already done so in afghanistan); when rumsfeld has stated that the u.s. plans to spray the same nerve gas concoction that putin used in the moscow theatre all over iraq; when the united states is openly planning to use land mines and cluster bombs -- are *american citizens* throwing fits over *iraq's* WMD. and why, again, when saddam has only ever used WMD when the u.s. *supported* him doing so, and with george tenet having testified that in his opinion he'd not use them again *unless* attacked are we worried about *saddam's* WMD? uh-huh. is that why the architect of the bush administration's war plan for iraq *explicitly* compared it to hiroshima? why the plan calls to smother baghdad with 800 cruise missiles in two days, so that there will be "no safe place" in the city? why the plan calls for the u.s. to "take down their power and water"? why u.s. war planners openly boasted of doing such a smash-up job of destroying civilian infrastructure in the first gulf war that it would lead to "incidences, if not epidemics, of disease" (see )? remember, even *if* the UN were to (without u.s. financial and diplomatic bullying) approve of using force to remove saddam (or any other threat to safety and/or human rights), this means that, according to the charter, forces of the *member* nations would be used *by the security council* to do the job. but, let's suppose, just for the fuck of it, that the security council would give the go-ahead to a "coalition of the willing" to remove saddam. the *methods* being *openly* planned are *obvious* war crimes of *gargantuan* magnitude. the geneva conventions don't say that "collateral damage" is okay. they don't say that it's okay to kill innocent civilians if it's "unintential", or if you apologise afterward. they say it's illegal to conduct indiscriminate bombing, precisely *because* civilian casualties are *inevitable* (as the u.s. freely admits), and unacceptable. it is *illegal* to kill civilians, even unintentionally. and this is giving the u.s. a huge benefit of the doubt which it *does not deserve* because its plans are *explicitly* and *precisely* to cause massive civilian suffering. and it knows *full well* that this is the expected outcome of its plans -- and even refused to participate in a recent conference in geneva convened to discuss the humanitarian crisis expected to be caused by this war. here is a brief summary of what various aid and relief organisations are warning against (which i compiled for these are methods saddam used in the '80s -- when he was avidly supported by the united states. Amnesty even criticised the blair government for calling attention to them at this time. (). they're also the same methods used by the guatemalan and salvadoran death squads -- supported by the united states. by the israeli occupation -- supported by the united states. by the colombian paramilitaries, the argentinian generals of the "dirty war" period, of somoza *and* the contras, of the shah's savak, of the indonesians in east timor, and of the turkish government in its genocidal campaign to eradicate turkish culture throughout the '90s. and many more we could name -- all supported by the united states, with *huge* flows of military armaments. these are also the methods of the "northern alliance" in afghanistan, as we all very well know. hell, the clinton administration, which helped bring the taliban to power, *openly* claimed that it found "nothing objectionable" with the taliban's methods (see ). the united states has also increased aid to human rights violators *since* september 11th (see ). so how should the first world solve the saddam "crisis"? stop shipping armaments to and cultivating friendly relationships with every dictatorial regime that is perfectly willing to bash its populations' heads in to maintain "stability". stop bombing third world countries whenever there's an itch to scratch. stop dropping hundreds of tonnes of radioactive munitions onto third world countries, and expecting them to kiss your ass for it. stop imposing austerity programmes on the third world. in short, LEAVE THE THIRD WORLD THE FUCK ALONE, AND LET IT SOLVE ITS OWN PROBLEMS. and maybe we can worry about how to stop consuming resources at 8 times the proportional rate to our population. maybe we can worry about having the poorest social health indicators in the industrialised world. maybe we can worry about having the highest prison population in world history. maybe we can worry about account for *40%* or world military spending. maybe we can worry about the administration's gradual imposition of a fascist legal system. maybe, just maybe, we can worry about OUR OWN FUCKING BUSINESS, for once. didn't proofread thoroughly, so, sorry if there are many typos... _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #74 *******************************