From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #66 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, February 24 2003 Volume 12 : Number 066 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: yet another extract ["matt sewell" ] Re: yet another extract ["matt sewell" ] trivia [steve ] About a book [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: yet another extract ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re:The station ["Russ Reynolds" ] Re: yet another extract [Roberta Cowan ] Re:The station [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re:The station [Eb ] Snail ["Marc Holden" ] Unfrigginbelievable [Eb ] Re: Unfrigginbelievable [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: The Station ["da9ve stovall" ] Wow, what a great map [Eb ] Re: the stupidest thing I have ever seen [Michael R Godwin ] boo yah [Ken Ostrander ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:44:12 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: yet another extract Don't tell me - you're sick and tired of these Robyn Hitchcock threads? It's worth sticking with, we do sometimes discuss interesting topics like the war in Iraq or the merits, of Mac over PC (or vice versa). And of course if you're after a list of any kind, this really is the place to come! Cheers Matt >From: dognamedlazlo >any idea how I get off this mailing list? > >Sorry. > >on 23/2/03 5:19 pm, Eb (by way of noam tchotchke ) at >ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > > > Just posted by someone else to a LA-based mailing list.... > > > > "Robyn Hitchcock stopped by Jon Brion's show last > > night. It was one of the best shows I've seen in a > > long time. First, my good friend Gregory Page (joined > > by Cindy Wasserman) played a couple of old love songs > > to open the night then invited Tom Brosseau to the > > stage. Tom's been getting good airplay on "Morning > > Becomes Eclectic" lately, which is great. After that, > > it was the usual Brion madness, although it took him > > longer than usual to warm up. Robyn joined him for the > > last few songs of the first set (with covers of The > > Rolling Stones and 10cc). The second set opened with > > Amy Correia who sadly moved to NYC awhile back ago and > > must be back here to thaw out. She used to open for > > Jon all the time way back when but seemed a little > > nervous this time around. The night ended with some > > lovely tunes from Robyn with Jon. It was a fun show." - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online - download MSN Messenger today. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:51:14 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: yet another extract Bizarre extra comma in there... huh! >From: "matt sewell" > >Don't tell me - you're sick and tired of these Robyn Hitchcock threads? >It's worth sticking with, we do sometimes discuss interesting topics like >the war in Iraq or the merits, of Mac over PC (or vice versa). And of >course if you're after a list of any kind, this really is the place to >come! > >Cheers > >Matt > > >From: dognamedlazlo >any idea how I get off this mailing list? > >Sorry. > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Overloaded with spam? With MSN 8 you can filter it out ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:18:40 -0600 From: steve Subject: trivia Raymond Chandler Evening just played on This American Life. This week's topic --- private detective wannabes. - - Steve MacFeg, who just got a beige G3 MT and a Color Classic off eBay __________ Do you think Americans should ask God to grant George W. Bush the power to fly? House majority whip Tom DeLay, the ability to predict the future? Senate majority leader Tom Daschle, X-ray vision? In a prayer written for the National Day of Prayer, May 2, the Reverend Lloyd Olgivie, the Senate chaplain, asks God to "bless our President, Congress, and all our leaders with supernatural power." He didn't beseech God to endow them with strength and wisdom--a more reasonable request--but to make them superheroes. - David Corn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 22:25:03 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: About a book > Last summer I read the book by Nick Hornby and hoped that a good job >had been made of the movie. All Nick Hornby's books seem entertaining >and music-oriented as far as I've seen. not quite. "Fever pitch" is entertaining and soccer oriented. Also made into a reasonable movie starring Colin Firth (well, the movie is related to the book - only the characters and plot have been changed). James ("we're going to beat Liverpool two-nothing...") Dignan James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 13:32:31 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re: yet another extract Eb by way of LA-based list: > "Robyn Hitchcock stopped by Jon Brion's show last > night. [yadda yadda...] > Robyn joined him for the > last few songs of the first set (with covers of The > Rolling Stones and 10cc). I would love to know what 10cc tune they did! Anyone? - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:01:10 -0800 From: "Russ Reynolds" Subject: Re:The station Hung out with in Ensenada Great White guitairst Michael Lardie a few years back; he was the "special musical guest" on a station cruise--chiefly because he was dating our promotions director at the time. Nice enough guy, although he cut into our drinking time with his extensive primping before we left the ship, taking at least a half hour longer than even my wife, who usually kicks everyone's ass in that department. Anyway, I found out that he was kicked out of the band last year (probably for taking too long to get ready for gigs). But I suppose if he wants back in there's an opening now. I also brought them on stage once in Santa Clara, probably 10 years ago. Don't remember them using any pyrotechnics, just a fog machine which seemed to impress the paying customers well enough. As the bass player said to Mister Rogers in that National Lampoon bit, "The hell, you're easily amused." Before their all-zeppelin covers album they released a true-to-the-original version of "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" as a B-side or something. Their own material was pretty weak, though, and it always bothered me that their stale cover of "Once Bitten Twice Shy" was such a huge hit. Ian Hunter's original was at least 50 or 60 times better. As far as I know they've never covered "96 Tears"... - -rUss ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:14:31 -0500 (EST) From: Roberta Cowan Subject: Re: yet another extract Eb by way of LA-based list: > "Robyn Hitchcock stopped by Jon Brion's show last > night. [yadda yadda...] > Robyn joined him for the > last few songs of the first set (with covers of The > Rolling Stones and 10cc). then rUss: >I would love to know what 10cc tune they did! Anyone? Personally I think "Wall Street Shuffle" would have been a great choice. Roberta ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:28:34 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re:The station Quoting Russ Reynolds : > Before their all-zeppelin covers album they released a > true-to-the-original > version of "Babe I'm Gonna Leave You" as a B-side or something. Their > own > material was pretty weak, though, and it always bothered me that their > stale > cover of "Once Bitten Twice Shy" was such a huge hit. Ian Hunter's > original > was at least 50 or 60 times better. I can't recall the cover version, but I love the Hunter track. Hey - didja hear the working title of the new Great White album? _Rhode Island Blackened Mullet_... Okay, that was pretty sick, sorry... What's really disturbing is that several club owners have said Great White made no mention of any pyrotechnics...if that turns out to be the case, I'd imagine the band themselves would bear some pretty nasty liability. Here's a link to The Smoking Gun site with the band's standard rider (nothing about pyro): http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/greatwhite1.html ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman np: GrndNtl Brnds _Communicating for Influence_ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:31:58 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re:The station >Here's a >link to The Smoking Gun site with the band's standard rider (nothing about >pyro): http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/greatwhite1.html Yeah, I already looked at this a night or two ago. Be sure to look at the last page of the rider, which has an explicit diagram of the stage setup with no indication of pyro cannons (or whatever you call 'em). That *is* the "smoking gun," as far as I'm concerned. Oh, here's some compelling reading: http://www.metal-sludge.com/GWGeorgeEmail.htm Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:49:04 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Snail Soft Boys bassist Matthew Seligman will be performing with his band Snail in London a couple days before Robyn's birthday show. I liked their CDs I got at the Soft Boys shows. I might try to make it to that one. Video and audio samples are available from the link below. Marc Gig 28 Feb 03 Upstairs @ The Garage London Friday 28 February 2003 Club Noir @ The Garage, 20-22 Highbury Corner, London N5. With: Mechanical Cabaret, Snail and Spermwhale. Doors 7:30pm. #5 with our flyer #6 without. >this is the link >http://www.snailmusic.fsnet.co.uk >but it isnt just snail, its the ju-ju babies...the evening is "club noir", >there is a rumour that these electro bands are london's next cultureboom..... >and both juju babies and mechanical cabaret (also on that night) spend >a lot of their free time at S&M clubs....kicky and brilliant.....plus old man snail.... ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:00:50 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Unfrigginbelievable >NY DAILY NEWS...RUSH AND MOLLOY > >The mourning is just beginning for the 96 souls who, so far, lost their lives >in Thursday's tragic fire at a Rhode Island nightclub. But Great >White frontman >Jack Russell is wasting no time in scouting for a replacement for guitarist Ty >Longley, who died after a pyrotechnics display got out of control. > >"I personally would like to express my heartfelt condolences to those families >of the loved ones who perished, as well as Ty ... in the tragedy at the >Station," Russell said in a Web message. "We will continue our tour with a >replacement guitarist sometime in the next few days." Does this lunkhead have NO clue? Can you imagine the atmosphere at any Great White show in the near future? Picture the crowd: 50% absent, 25% lynch mob, 25% blubbering mourners.... Oh yeah! ROCK N ROLL!!! HELLOOOOOO LOS ANGELES! , Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:24:07 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Unfrigginbelievable Eb wrote: > >NY DAILY NEWS...RUSH AND MOLLOY > > > >The mourning is just beginning for the 96 souls who, so far, > >lost their lives in Thursday's tragic fire at a Rhode Island > >nightclub. But Great White frontman Jack Russell is wasting no > >time in scouting for a replacement for guitarist Ty Longley, > >who died after a pyrotechnics display got out of control. > > > >"I personally would like to express my heartfelt condolences > >to those families of the loved ones who perished, as well as > >Ty ... in the tragedy at the Station," Russell said in a Web > >message. "We will continue our tour with a > >replacement guitarist sometime in the next few days." > > Does this lunkhead have NO clue? Can you imagine the atmosphere > at any Great White show in the near future? Picture the crowd: > 50% absent, 25% lynch mob, 25% blubbering mourners.... Oh yeah! > ROCK N ROLL!!! HELLOOOOOO LOS ANGELES! Jack Russell is probably going to need to money to settle the lawsuits that are going to be filed for wrongful deaths. And if it IS his fault -- namely there really was no permission for using the fireworks, he needs to make the money now before he goes to jail. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 23 Feb 2003 16:30:33 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: Re: The Station >From: Jeff Dwarf >Subject: Re: The Station > >At least they never did Costello's "Indoor Fireworks." > I saw EC in Indianapolis back in October (13th, I think) - and there was an unplanned fire alarm right in the middle of the show. I forget what song was in progress, but the lights started flashing on the walls, and though we couldn't hear it for the music, the alarm started chirping. The audience thought the lights were part of the show effects. The band finished the song ('cos they didn't know that anything was going on either), and then a venue official came out and whispered into EC's ear. Elvis then annouced that they'd be taking a short break while venue officials dealt with the alarm. He joked also that the lights weren't part of the show - "this isn't The Pink Floyd." A few minutes later, a venue guy came out and told us that it was just a faulty water pressure sensor - it went south, and the automation system set the alarm off. (He didn't use those words, but I'm familiar with that kind of system, so I extrapolate, . . .) The band waited a few more minutes, then came back out and continued the show with "Accidents Will Happen." They DID also play "Indoor Firworks" in there somewhere - I'll have to consult my tape to find ot if it was later or before the whole alarm thing. If this same thing were to happen at the next show attend, I'm sure I'll *not* reflexively shrug my shoulders and assume it's just a false alarm. da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 19:22:46 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Wow, what a great map http://a1636.g.akamai.net/7/1636/797/c835ef66bb8ac4/graphics.boston.com/images/daily/22/station.gif It's too bad more people in front didn't run out that exit to the right of the stage. Maybe it was more like a "stage" entrance than a public one. Eb, crossing his fingers for a write-in Ed Harcourt win for Best New Artist ;) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:21:28 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: the stupidest thing I have ever seen On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat wrote: > --- begin forwarded text > better than virtual post-it note, better than virtual glue stick. > http://www.virtualstapler.com/ > --- end forwarded text Bit depressing that they could only come up with one film featuring staplers, though. If I didn't have a macro class in 10 minutes I'm sure I could think of some more. - MRG PS For fans of dotty machines: the financephalograph ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:33:50 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: The complicity of France (was: anti-war movement) Barbara writes, > I have to agree with Marcy on this, European countries had their lives > seriously ravaged by the 2nd World War. > This is no doubt behind most European countries UNITED > reluctance to go to war, not shady money deals and "friendship" with > Saddam Hussain. I am sorry, and with all due respect for your father's postwar experiences, you and Marcy are really arguing from an emotional stance with little respect for the facts. For instance, let's look at France, the main European bone of contention here. Setting aside their dealings with Lebanon and Israel as well as their participation in the 1956 Suez Canal action, let's look at their relationship with Iraq. In 1976, they sold Iraq an "Osiris" nuclear reactor, clearly understanding that it would be used to produce nuclear weaponry. (This was the same reactor that the Israelis destroyed in 1981.) As if this wasn't enough, by 1982, Iraq accounted for 40% of French arms imports. (You are aware that the French are international arms dealers, right?) Various "peace-loving" items sold to Saddam Hussein included armored vehicles, surface-to-air missiles, Mirage jet fighters, and Exocet anti-ship missiles. Recall back in the early 80s, when an Iraqi pilot accidentally killed 37 Americans on board the USS Stark? That Iraqi pilot was flying a Mirage fighter and firing an Exocet missile. Now, lest we forget our other friends in Europe, the Germans, it might be nice to recall that the also had deep ties with Iraq, not only selling them military vehicles but also helping them *build* the complexes they needed to produce chemical and biological weaponry. (This is, of course, not even mentioning their WWII involvement with the Iraqi pro-Nazi coup. I admit that you have to draw the "that was then this is now" line somewhere!) And of course, when one looks at who has been violating the post-Gulf War military sanctions and selling Iraq the advance technology they need for WMDs, what names come up? Why, some of our P-5 friends on the UN Security Council, such as China and Russia! Indeed, "war-ravaged" Russia was so nice as to smuggle them missile guidance system components! And who has large stakes in Iraqi oil right now? Let's see...France, Russia, and Germany! Now, none of this is to imply that the US was any different in the 1980s, and behaved more "responsibly" towards Iraq. Quite the contrary. Our relationship with Iraq was quite chummy during the Iran-Iraq War, even though Washington was fully aware that Saddam was a cruel and murderous dictator. Not only did we *condone* the actions of the Europeans, we helped Saddam out on our own, removing him from the Terrorism list so we could "legally" supply whim with agricultural credits so he could buy more weaponry. We also sold them military helicopters, trucks, WMD-style technologies, and other goodies. Additionally, we turned a blind eye on him when he used chemical agents against Iranians. (Though the US Senate wanted to rebuke him for the Kurdish massacres, but the Reagan administration would have none of that.) Of course, the reason we did this was because he was fighting a war with the Iranians, and supporting Saddam seemed like a better idea than letting Iraq fall to the religious zealots of the Ayatollah. The idea of an expansionist, Soviet-friendly, fundamentalist Shi'ite republic stretching from eastern Iran all the way to Kuwait and Saudi Arabia was a valid reason for concern. Does this mean we should have allowed Saddam license to murder his own people? That's a good question, and worthy of a different debate. The point I am trying to make here is that the situation is more complex than it seems, and Europe are certainly not the war-torn innocent peaceniks that some List members naively believe them to be. While their fears of an American hegemony are certainly understandable, they are as self-interested as we are, no matter what rhetoric they dish out. - --Quail PS: Many of my statistics above come from Kenneth Pollack's "The Threatening Storm." I am finding it a very lucid and fair book that argues a case for war for both humanitarian reasons as well as political necessity. I am still not sure where I stand, but I want to give "both sides" a fair hearing before I make up my mind and commit to a stance. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:37:22 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: The complicity of France (was: anti-war movement) - --On Montag, 24. Februar 2003 10:33 Uhr -0500 The Great Quail wrote: I know next to nothing about these issues, but I know a little about German politics. > Now, lest we forget our other friends in Europe, the Germans, it might be > nice to recall that the also had deep ties with Iraq, not only selling > them military vehicles but also helping them *build* the complexes they > needed to produce chemical and biological weaponry. That was a different government, though. I suppose that was during the 80's? Note that the CDU (the leading party during that era) now *supports* war against Iraq. Angela Merkel even found it necessary to say so in a Washington Post article and to travel to Washington to express her dissent. I am quite willing to believe that Chirac has ulterior motives - he doesn't come across as a pacifist. But I'm convinced that at least a big part of the German government actually believes that a war would be wrong for humanitarian reasons. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn PGP key ID: 0x4D105B45 Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:35:38 -0600 (CST) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: warm and fuzzy On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, The Great Quail wrote: > Inspections have not worked because Saddam Hussein is a clever man who has > had plenty of time to inculcate a secret network, and with the UN in his > pocket, he can stall all he wants. I mean, does anyone think the French, > Russians or Germans are going to cause him to change? that just absolutely cannot be. saddam is not clever and the un is not run by incompetant boobs. also the french have a fine government that is looking out for all of our interests, just like before. And the same goes for Russia and the Germans. Just look at their track records and you see a fine, just and grand history of leadership in all aspects. > > china? success is all relative, isn't it? relative to what? china is the new free-market based capitalistic powerhouse that is as a whole somehwere between 50 and 100 years behind technologically. communism has done nothing for the chinese except for to keep many of them living like it's 1352, ad. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:50:00 -0600 (CST) From: gshell@metronet.com Subject: Re: warm and fuzzy On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Ken Ostrander wrote: > we should educate our children in civics and require everyone to do > social service and community building. we need to teach empowerment. heullafuckingluya!!!! MANDATORY CIVIL SERVITUDE, what a concept. I think I'm getting an erection. And this means I will find a favorite variety of chocolate-chip cookie dough ice cream and it also disproves the invisible friend theory entirely. All hail, mandatory civil service. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:35:59 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: grounding a turntable On Fri, Feb 21, 2003, Brooks Martin wrote: > Your first concern when hooking your turntable up to your MAC or PC isn't > grounding (though that's essential too) but the RIAA EQ that you need to > transfer to straight line level. To plug a turntable into a line level > input such as the one on your computer you need something like href="http://www.rolls.com/new/vp29.html">this. > > Not only does it get your signal up to snuff, but it provides a terminal > for grounding on the unit. Thanks, Brooks, but I am already using a preamp. Recoton SP2. It turns out that swapping cables fixed it. No more hum at all. I run it into a Griffin iMic since my Mac has no audio input. Griffin put out software called Final Vinyl, which actually allows you to run the turntable directly into the computer since it compensates for the RIAA curves. I tried that before I got the preamp, but the music came out way too flat. It was defintiely boosted, but just not as good as with a preamp. Oh well, at least I can use whatever software I want. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 17:15:36 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: boo yah >It's too bad more people in front didn't run out that exit to the right of the stage. Maybe it was more like a "stage" entrance than a public one. from the video footage it looks like that's right where the fire started. > >Great White frontman Jack Russell is wasting no > >time in scouting for a replacement for guitarist Ty Longley, > >who died after a pyrotechnics display got out of control. > > > >he needs to make the money now before he goes to jail. cashing in on their second fifteen minutes in any case. this notoriety should carry them for a few more years. >The worse they make the movie going experience -- ads or >whatever -- the less people go. Ultimately, that will get more >lasting results than some goofy ass lawsuit. i've been going less. the fact is it's a lot easier to rent. we went out last night to see _gangs of new york_ and tonight will be watching the video i made of the grammys. we like to fast forward. >>>Soviet Union wins the "most ravaged country" award for WW2. >> >>I would think you would have to place Germany somewhere in there too. > >Yeah, but the Russians didn't start the war ... and the Soviet Union suffered far more casualties. and how http://www.valourandhorror.com/DB/BACK/Casualties.htm japan gets my vote for "most ravaged country" though http://www.vw.vccs.edu/vwhansd/HIS122/Hiroshima.html >I'm keeping out of this for the most part, but I don't think starting a war is *ever* right. sometimes it's unavoidable; but in the case of iraq, it certainly isn't. >PS: Too much American politics here today. Please discuss >Quebec's struggle for the yes instead. i'd like to see quebec become it's own independent state. aren't there several different resolutions? that should divy up the vote. ken "moving to florida" the kenster np behind the music the soundtrack of our lives ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #66 *******************************