From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #65 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, February 23 2003 Volume 12 : Number 065 Today's Subjects: ----------------- A bit of history [Eb ] yet another extract [Eb ] RE: A bit of history ["Timothy Reed" ] Re: warm and fuzzy ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #63 ["The Birdpoo" ] The Station [Jill Brand ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #63 ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: The Station [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #63 [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: I don't care about the money, just make them stop (O% war or whimsy) [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: yet another extract [dognamedlazlo ] Re: The Station [Jeff Dwarf ] About a Boy: the movie [Barbara Soutar ] Re: A bit of history ["Stewart C. Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:39:26 -0800 From: Eb Subject: A bit of history In view of recent nightclub news, I dug out this creepy extract from the Fegmania list archive (date: June 13, 2001). Not being much of a hard-rocker, I haven't been exposed to much onstage "pyro," but the below Spaceland experience suddenly popped into my mind last night. (Something tells me Babyland recently decided to eliminate a certain feature of its live show.) I heard the fire marshal covered the whole Sunset Strip yesterday, checking clubs for safety violations.... - ---------- ...I was late enough to miss the first band, but arrived just minutes before Babyland took the stage. The group was obviously thrilled to open for Foetus, and seemed to imply this was one of the few times they've *ever* opened for a musically compatible headliner. I've never heard an album by this group, but the name's very familar. I actually got a kick out of 'em, at least in a live context. The band was just two guys and a daunting bank of computers. Oh, and a whole lotta metal. Their sound is in the general vicinity of old-school, industrial-dance groups like Meat Beat Manifesto and dare-I-say Skinny Puppy, and the only instruments directly played onstage were various sorts of found metal percussion. One guy did nothing but pound on a "drum kit" which consisted of several oil drums, a couple of smaller cannisters dangling on chains and several long, thin, vertical bars of metal which were doubled over in a bunch to serve as his "cymbals." The other guy (a scrappy l'il dude with a stubblehead and an admirable load of energy) sang/howled, manipulated the computers between songs and occasionally pounded some implement of his own. They obviously had a following which was independent of Foetus, and there was a dense pack of folks dancing and bumping in front. The singer did a good job of playing to the crowd, and at one point called out something like "You older people! Don't be ashamed of your disco past! Don't be ashamed of your '80s industrial days!" I guess that sums up the vibe pretty well. However, I think the group made one crucial miscalculation. The obvious highlight of the performance was one track where the drummer set a metal cannister on its side (it was about 2.5 feet in diameter and five feet long, with the can's length parallel to the front of the stage), *straddled* the thing and rhythmically worked on it with some sort of saw or lathe. The result was a shower of angry orange sparks which flew as far as 20 feet into the audience. Quite a sight. I'm sure the Spaceland staff wasn't thrilled, watching the lighting rig and speakers fall squarely in the line of fire. But, no damage seemed to come of this. Not even a singed haircut. Anyway, the crucial mistake was that this was only about the fourth song! Such a spectacle definitely should've been saved for the end. (I guess I've seen both Einsturzende Neubauten and Tom Ze do something like this in the past, but in both those cases, there was more of an elevated stage and the sparks were aimed *across* the stage rather than forward into the crowd. This version was far more exciting to behold.) Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:14:26 -0800 From: Eb Subject: yet another extract Just posted by someone else to a LA-based mailing list.... "Robyn Hitchcock stopped by Jon Brion's show last night. It was one of the best shows I've seen in a long time. First, my good friend Gregory Page (joined by Cindy Wasserman) played a couple of old love songs to open the night then invited Tom Brosseau to the stage. Tom's been getting good airplay on "Morning Becomes Eclectic" lately, which is great. After that, it was the usual Brion madness, although it took him longer than usual to warm up. Robyn joined him for the last few songs of the first set (with covers of The Rolling Stones and 10cc). The second set opened with Amy Correia who sadly moved to NYC awhile back ago and must be back here to thaw out. She used to open for Jon all the time way back when but seemed a little nervous this time around. The night ended with some lovely tunes from Robyn with Jon. It was a fun show." ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 17:00:31 -0500 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: RE: A bit of history > I heard the fire marshal covered the whole Sunset Strip yesterday, > checking clubs for safety violations.... After the fire at the Happy Land social club here in NYC years ago, the city hired 200 additional inspectors and every bar and social club was inspected annually. Unfortunately after city budget problems many of the inspectors have been let go and social clubs are no longer inspected. Seems inevitable that another tragedy will occur and the cycle will continue. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:39:37 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: warm and fuzzy At 3:33 PM -0500 2/21/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "Ken Ostrander" and whispered: >the first album that lept to mind for me was _countdown to ecstasy_. i >dispise that one. my copy is a hand-me-down with actual faces drawn in on >the cover. No, if I'm not mistaken, those faces are actually part of the cover art, they just look drawn on. Like I said, Steely Dan cover art... man. What were they thinking? > >another album cover that i don't much care for is _ok computer_ I don't mind that one as much as "Kid A". Let's hear props for Liz Phair's "Exile In Guyville", which has a cover that my all means should be awful, but somehow it's not. Mike - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 19:55:02 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: A bit of history In the last few years in SF I've seen: 1.) Flames from pyro effects lick and creep along the ceiling of the stage at the Odeon, a tiny bar in the Mission 2.) Flashpots used at a live show at the Cat Club, not much bigger than the Odeon and certainly not much more vertical clearance 3.) The middle of the floor of the auditorium - not the stage, the audience area - at Maritime Hall set on fire by the performers during a Crash Worship show. In my memory the flames licked almost to the ceiling of this perhaps three story auditorium, although it's been a few years and that might be exaggerated by the passage of time 4.) The Go-Nuts initiate a food fight in a small club by throwing 3,000 Hostess snack cakes out to an audience of maybe 150 people, shoot the audience with a popcorn bazooka, and fog the whole place in with smoke machines filled with cocoa powder, which you could taste in the air. Yum! Ok, that last one has nothing to do with fire danger, it's just one of my most unique live performance memories. Mike At 12:39 PM -0800 2/22/03, Eb wrote: >In view of recent nightclub news, I dug out this creepy extract from >the Fegmania list archive (date: June 13, 2001). Not being much of a >hard-rocker, I haven't been exposed to much onstage "pyro," but the >below Spaceland experience suddenly popped into my mind last night. >(Something tells me Babyland recently decided to eliminate a certain >feature of its live show.) > >I heard the fire marshal covered the whole Sunset Strip yesterday, >checking clubs for safety violations.... >---------- >...I was late enough to miss the first band, but arrived just minutes >before Babyland took the stage. The group was obviously thrilled to >open for Foetus, and seemed to imply this was one of the few times >they've *ever* opened for a musically compatible headliner. I've >never heard an album by this group, but the name's very familar. I >actually got a kick out of 'em, at least in a live context. The band >was just two guys and a daunting bank of computers. Oh, and a whole >lotta metal. Their sound is in the general vicinity of old-school, >industrial-dance groups like Meat Beat Manifesto and dare-I-say >Skinny Puppy, and the only instruments directly played onstage were >various sorts of found metal percussion. One guy did nothing but >pound on a "drum kit" which consisted of several oil drums, a couple >of smaller cannisters dangling on chains and several long, thin, >vertical bars of metal which were doubled over in a bunch to serve as >his "cymbals." The other guy (a scrappy l'il dude with a stubblehead >and an admirable load of energy) sang/howled, manipulated the >computers between songs and occasionally pounded some implement of >his own. They obviously had a following which was independent of >Foetus, and there was a dense pack of folks dancing and bumping in >front. The singer did a good job of playing to the crowd, and at one >point called out something like "You older people! Don't be ashamed >of your disco past! Don't be ashamed of your '80s industrial days!" I >guess that sums up the vibe pretty well. However, I think the group >made one crucial miscalculation. The obvious highlight of the >performance was one track where the drummer set a metal cannister on >its side (it was about 2.5 feet in diameter and five feet long, with >the can's length parallel to the front of the stage), *straddled* the >thing and rhythmically worked on it with some sort of saw or lathe. >The result was a shower of angry orange sparks which flew as far as >20 feet into the audience. Quite a sight. I'm sure the Spaceland >staff wasn't thrilled, watching the lighting rig and speakers fall >squarely in the line of fire. But, no damage seemed to come of this. >Not even a singed haircut. Anyway, the crucial mistake was that this >was only about the fourth song! Such a spectacle definitely should've >been saved for the end. (I guess I've seen both Einsturzende >Neubauten and Tom Ze do something like this in the past, but in both >those cases, there was more of an elevated stage and the sparks were >aimed *across* the stage rather than forward into the crowd. This >version was far more exciting to behold.) > >Eb - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:33:22 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: A bit of history Eb wrote: > > The result was a shower of angry orange sparks which flew as far as > 20 feet into the audience. ... But, no damage seemed to come of this. Not much would, I'm afraid. Grinder sparks are mighty impressive, but since they're are tiny specks of steel busily oxidising, they don't have much heat in them. That's not to say I'd operate a grinder near light, flammable material, or in the presence of volatile fuels. But I've used one that dumped sparks on my leg, and there wasn't even singeing. Now if it'd been a cutting torch or a plasma cutter, on the other hand ... Stewart "it's an exothermic reaction" Russell ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:38:14 -0000 From: "The Birdpoo" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #63 > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:48:35 -0600 > From: Marcy Tanter > Subject: Re: anti-war movement > > I haven't really been keeping up with this thread (I have to grade papers > sometime!) but it seems to me that one must bear in mind that France was > the most ravaged country during both of world wars and they have a little > perspective on what war does to a nation and what the implications could be > for nations who support an offensive on Iraq. Erm, I think the Soviet Union wins the "most ravaged country" award for WW2. Birdpoo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:21:34 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: The Station I almost went to The Station to see Dave Davies a few years ago, but I didn't really want to drag myself to Rhode Island for the show. Since he was playing in the Boston area a few days later (or before - I don't remember), I didn't go. I tend to like bands that play small venues like that (not because they play those venues; just because few people tend to like bands that I like), so most of the concert-going that I do these days (which, I admit, isn't much) is at small places like The Station or The Paradise (in Boston) or The Bottom Line. This fire was truly gruesome, and the Boston area media are milking the story for all its worth, so I have spent a fair amount of time being freaked out by it. This morning I got e-mail from one of the guys in Dave Davies's band, and he is terribly upset about the whole thing and keeps thinking about the gig he played there. Not that Robyn or Dave or Ray or anyone else I might see would include pyrotechnics in his show, but, well, I think that I'm going to start paying attention to where the other egresses to buildings are when I go to a club. I've been to the Paradise at least 25 times, and I would have no idea how to get out of there other than the way I came in. BTW, who are/were Great White? I had never heard of them until this disaster. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:43:12 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #63 >From: "The Birdpoo" >Reply-To: "The Birdpoo" >>Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 15:38:14 -0000 > > > Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:48:35 -0600 > > From: Marcy Tanter > > Subject: Re: anti-war movement > > but it seems to me that one must bear in mind that France was > > the most ravaged country during both of world wars >Erm, I think the >Soviet Union wins the "most ravaged country" award for WW2. > >Birdpoo I would think you would have to place Germany somewhere in there too. Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 08:44:58 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: The Station Jill Brand wrote: > BTW, who are/were Great White? I had never heard of them until > this disaster. Just another one-hit wonder hair metal band, though musically less annoying than most I suppose, if I remember -- more like a bad head cold, but as a band. One hit was a cover of "Once Bitten Twice Shy." And was once chosen for abuse by Dave Kendall -- back in his "doing record reviews in the orange shadows days" -- for this album's cover: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=11:37:37|AM&sql=Algfe4j470wav ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:56:47 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #63 - -- Maximilian Lang is rumored to have mumbled on Sonntag, 23. Februar 2003 11:43 Uhr -0500 regarding Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #63: >> Soviet Union wins the "most ravaged country" award for WW2. >> >> Birdpoo > > I would think you would have to place Germany somewhere in there too. Yeah, but the Russians didn't start the war ... and the Soviet Union suffered far more casualties. I'm keeping out of this for the most part, but I don't think starting a war is *ever* right. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:03:16 -0500 From: Jon Fetter Subject: Re: I don't care about the money, just make them stop (O% war or whimsy) First of all, how will courts decide what is "trivial?" >As annoying as they are, this suit sounds like a waste of time. >Sorry, but court time should be reserved for really problems, not >just annoyances that _are_ ultimately trivial. Besides, I think >it would be much more effective to either: a) just not use the >products/businesses that are advertised, making the ads >ineffective and a waste of money; If memory serves me correctly, all the ads are for products widely advertised on tv and elsewhere, like coke and burger king. b) start showing up later to >movies so that you miss the ads; That's the point. The ads start at the listed movie start time. If you are trying to see a popular movie, you will not get a good seat, or have to sit next to someone rustling plastic and eating popcorn for two hours. The theater that I go to that pulls this ad crap also dims the lights for the ads, so you are forced to find a seat in the dark. or c) if possible, go to >theatres that don't sell the ads. If the ads aren't effective at >drumming up business for the advertisers, they won't sell and >they won't be a problem. In my area, not possible, if you wish to get your money's worth in terms of comfortable, stadium seating, modern sound tech, big screen, etc,. you have to go to Hoyt theaters. As a result of the sum of all the little annoyances associated with movie-going nowadays, I tend to wait for DVD unless the film is worth seeing on the big screen, like the TLOR for example. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 09:55:40 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: A bit of history >Eb wrote: >> >>The result was a shower of angry orange sparks which flew as far as >>20 feet into the audience. ... But, no damage seemed to come of >>this. > >Not much would, I'm afraid. Grinder sparks are mighty impressive, >but since they're are tiny specks of steel busily oxidising, they >don't have much heat in them. OK. But there's not even any danger of someone's hair lighting up? > Stewart "it's an exothermic reaction" Russell Folks can be cruel about the nicknames they attach to friends, yes. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:20:20 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: I don't care about the money, just make them stop (O% war or whimsy) Jon Fetter wrote: > First of all, how will courts decide what is "trivial?" Well, it's not up to the courts to decide what is trivial. They certainly have the right to file the suit, and even have a trial if necessary. That doesn't mean that they aren't ultimately wasting time that could have been spent dealing with more substantive issues whether criminal, or about cases where people have suffered greater injuries than having to sit through a couple commercials. If the biggest problem in your life is having to sit through a Burger King ad before a movie, you ought to shut the fuck up, because you don't have any real problems and really should be thankful that you are so well off. > >As annoying as they are, this suit sounds like a waste of > >time. Sorry, but court time should be reserved for really > >problems, not just annoyances that _are_ ultimately trivial. > >Besides, I think it would be much more effective to either: > >a) just not use the products/businesses that are advertised, > >making the ads ineffective and a waste of money; > If memory serves me correctly, all the ads are for > products widely advertised on tv and elsewhere, like coke and > burger king. These companies all do research to tell them what advertising works. If the movie ads are counterproductive, the companies will stop investing in them. > >b) start showing up later to movies so that you miss the ads; > That's the point. The ads start at the listed movie start > time. If you are trying to see a popular movie, you will not > get a good seat, or have to sit next to someone rustling > plastic and eating popcorn for two hours. Movies have NEVER started at the listed time though. There have _always_ been ads before movies; it's just that until recently, all the ads were for other movies (plus the semi-obscene commercial to get you to go to the snack bar, of course). A couple more ads for sugar water and shitty burgers is a minor annoyance, but I'm sorry, that's all it is. > The theater that I > go to that pulls this ad crap also dims the lights for > the ads, so you are forced to find a seat in the dark. > >or c) if possible, go to theatres that don't sell the ads. If > >the ads aren't effective at drumming up business for the > >advertisers, they won't sell and they won't be a problem. > In my area, not possible, if you wish to get your money's > worth in terms of comfortable, stadium seating, modern sound > tech, big screen, etc,. you have to go to Hoyt theaters. > As a result of the sum of all the little annoyances > associated with movie-going nowadays, I tend to wait for DVD > unless the film is worth seeing on the big screen, like the > TLOR for example. Well, this is what's going to ultimately damage them the most anyways. The worse they make the movie going experience -- ads or whatever -- the less people go. Ultimately, that will get more lasting results than some goofy ass lawsuit. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:23:55 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Station >Just another one-hit wonder hair metal band, though musically >less annoying than most I suppose, if I remember -- more like a >bad head cold, but as a band. One hit was a cover of "Once Bitten >Twice Shy." And was once chosen for abuse by Dave Kendall -- back >in his "doing record reviews in the orange shadows days" -- for >this album's cover: > >http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=11:37:37|AM&sql=Algfe4j470wav I never noticed before that if you let your mouse rest on a link within a band's AllMusic discography, a thumbnail of the album cover often appears onscreen. The four...no, five!...five most interesting things I've learned about Great White, since this disaster happened: 1. They're still together. 2. They did a live album entirely composed of Led Zeppelin covers. 3. They wrote/recorded their own song called "Baby's on Fire" (and probably hadn't even heard of Brian Eno's song at the time). 4. In addition to the above, their catalog includes other now-cringeable titles like "Burning House of Love" (yes, it *is* the X song), "Dead End," "No Better Than Hell," "Afterglow," "Fire and Water," "Pain Overload" and, of course, "Stairway to Heaven." 5. They seem to have more best-of and live albums than actual studio albums. Another factoid: I heard about the story early enough to check the Great White/Station websites before they were flooded out of existence. The band booked at the Station the following night was "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath," a Black Sabbath tribute band. Something a bit creepy about that, too. I keep picturing what would be like to hear some of those slow, doomy Sabbath dirges on the site of the club's burnt ruins. Brrrr. Eb PS Does EBay have some new design feature which prevents you from opening a link in a new window? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:21:45 +0000 From: dognamedlazlo Subject: Re: yet another extract any idea how I get off this mailing list? Sorry. on 23/2/03 5:19 pm, Eb (by way of noam tchotchke ) at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > Just posted by someone else to a LA-based mailing list.... > > "Robyn Hitchcock stopped by Jon Brion's show last > night. It was one of the best shows I've seen in a > long time. First, my good friend Gregory Page (joined > by Cindy Wasserman) played a couple of old love songs > to open the night then invited Tom Brosseau to the > stage. Tom's been getting good airplay on "Morning > Becomes Eclectic" lately, which is great. After that, > it was the usual Brion madness, although it took him > longer than usual to warm up. Robyn joined him for the > last few songs of the first set (with covers of The > Rolling Stones and 10cc). The second set opened with > Amy Correia who sadly moved to NYC awhile back ago and > must be back here to thaw out. She used to open for > Jon all the time way back when but seemed a little > nervous this time around. The night ended with some > lovely tunes from Robyn with Jon. It was a fun show." ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:31:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: The Station Eb wrote: > I never noticed before that if you let your mouse rest on a > link within a band's AllMusic discography, a thumbnail of the > album cover often appears onscreen. That feature is about a week old. I haven't decided if I like it or not. > The four...no, five!...five most interesting things I've > learned about Great White, since this disaster happened: > > 1. They're still together. But not as much as they were Thursday morning. > 2. They did a live album entirely composed of Led Zeppelin > covers. > 3. They wrote/recorded their own song called "Baby's on Fire" > (and probably hadn't even heard of Brian Eno's song at the > time). They probably haven't heard of it now. > 4. In addition to the above, their catalog includes other > now-cringeable titles like "Burning House of Love" (yes, it > *is* the X song), "Dead End," "No Better Than Hell," > "Afterglow," "Fire and Water," "Pain Overload" and, of > course, "Stairway to Heaven." At least they never did Costello's "Indoor Fireworks." > 5. They seem to have more best-of and live albums than actual > studio albums. > > Another factoid: I heard about the story early enough to check > the Great White/Station websites before they were flooded out > of existence. The band booked at the Station the following > night was "Sabbath Bloody Sabbath," a Black Sabbath tribute > band. Something a bit creepy about that, too. I keep picturing > what would be like to hear some of those slow, doomy Sabbath > dirges on the site of the club's burnt ruins. Brrrr. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:54:41 -0800 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: About a Boy: the movie Hi, To get away from controversial talk, I wanted to share a recent movie I enjoyed with the group. We rented About a Boy the other night and it amused two different age groups in our house. Our rather cranky 14 year old (two teeth recently pulled) and equally cranky adults had a good time watching it. Hugh Grant is not exactly lovable for most of the movie, but there are moments when he changes your mind. I found myself getting emotionally involved in several character's lives. Last summer I read the book by Nick Hornby and hoped that a good job had been made of the movie. All Nick Hornby's books seem entertaining and music-oriented as far as I've seen. Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 14:14:33 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: A bit of history Eb wrote: > > OK. But there's not even any danger of someone's hair lighting up? only if they'd just lacquered it, or used Sterno as hairgel. > Folks can be cruel about the nicknames they attach to friends, yes. hell, yeah. Only one of my nicknames has stuck with me. Stewart ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #65 *******************************