From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #59 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 19 2003 Volume 12 : Number 059 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Parenting, Valentine's Day, and No Geopolitics [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Parenting, Valentine's Day, and No Geopolitics ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Interesting links from Reason Express [steve ] Re: Interesting links from Reason Express [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Eno's 'Before and after Science' on CD [Perry Amberson ] Re: Where do you hang out online? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] RE: Interesting links from Reason Express ["Jason Brown (Echo Services In] RE: Interesting links from Reason Express ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Worst Album Cover for a GoodAlbum [The Great Quail ] Re: Worst Album Cover for a GoodAlbum [Miles Goosens ] Re: Where do you hang out online? [Sabina Carlson ] reap [Glen Uber ] Re: Worst Album Cover for a GoodAlbum ["Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Parenting, Valentine's Day, and No Geopolitics - --On Tuesday, February 18, 2003 11:44:36 -0800 "Rex.Broome" wrote: > I haven't seen that, but the thing in recent years that has puzzled me is > huge guys riding, or just sitting around astride, tiny little kid > bicycles. Otherwise "cool" looking gangsta-types. Just looks dumb. I totally agree. I wasn't aware that was a cross-Altlantic phenomenon ... but most fads these days are. > James on upcoming Chills stuff: >>> Both the EP and album will have titles beginning in SB, by the >>> sound of it > > This must be a totally antipodean thing, apparently, akin to the double > "l"'s in most Go-Betweens album titles. Wow, I never picked up on that. Have you ever read that this is intentional or do you just think it might be? >>> heh! The album will be "Before and after science", so called because the >>> first half is raucous and vaguely rocking (snip) > > I'm surprised that there are fegs unfamiliar with this record! Pretty > great, um, middle-period (I guess) Eno. Really long overdue for > remastering on CD, along with most of the totally (to me, anyway) > essential Eno. I just don't know any Eno. I've got a Phil Manzanera album (Diamond Head) because Yung WU used to cover Big Day, but I don't have any Roxy Music, either. It's just that I never knew anybody who listened to that stuff. A friend of mine had a copy of ambient Eno (Music For Living Rooms or some such) but at that time I found that boring. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Non regalate terre promesse a chi non le mantiene. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 02:13:29 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Parenting, Valentine's Day, and No Geopolitics Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > "Rex.Broome" wrote: > > This must be a totally antipodean thing, apparently, akin to > > the double "l"'s in most Go-Betweens album titles. > > Wow, I never picked up on that. Have you ever read that this is > intentional or do you just think it might be? In the liner notes in the re-issue of Before Hollywood, they say that it was unintentional for it and Send Me a Lullaby, but after that it was on purpose (except for The Friends of Rachel Worth, which doesn't have a double-l). ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:57:45 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: B(ll)arney The Godwin of Bath wrote: >However, I prefer Marcy's definition. And how about James's contention >that Barney Rubble is _named after_ the slang term? Evidence? just a suggestion, not a contention! I have no evidence, but it seemed possible. >My Cassell Dict. of Slang says that Barney was a common Irish name and, by >association - since all Micks are, as one, prone to a punch-up - it came >to denote aggro. cf Paddy and Donnybrook (after the Fair...) on behalf of my ancestry I take exception to that, and must ask yer to step outside... ;) >This must be a totally antipodean thing, apparently, akin to the double >"l"'s in most Go-Betweens album titles. Does anyone else do this? I guess >there's an argument to be made for Robyn's "Invisible" albums, or his >"Hitchcock" ones... I take it you're not including things like the "Peter Gabriel" albums or Chicago's imaginatively titled series... Hmm... lessee... Straitjacket Fits' three album titles were all four letter words: Hail, Melt, Blow. XTC usually title their albums after a lyric in their previous album. Other than that, though, I'm drawing a blank. James PS - but which author of juvenile science fiction made sure that she wrote books with titles beginning with every letter of the alphabet? James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 04:00:06 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: B(ll)arney >Straitjacket Fits' three album titles were all four letter words: Hail, >Melt, Blow. Foetus do dat, too. He even did Blow. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 9:12:03 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Parenting, Valentine's Day, and No Geopolitics Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > > I just don't know any Eno. Before & After Science is a good one. Back when I did a lot of driving, I had it on Croatian-import cheapo tape. I wore that tape out. "ooh, what to do, not a sausage to do." Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 08:58:08 -0600 From: steve Subject: Interesting links from Reason Express Never mind the bollocks - > 3. The Pedagogical War > > The stated reasons for going to war with Iraq are failing to satisfy > an increasing number of people. As a result, the search for the real, > and presumably coherent, reason for war is gathering steam. Now > Nicholas Lehman has joined the hunt. By asking the right questions in > the right way, he's elicited some interesting answers. > > In sum -- and summation does his New Yorker piece little justice -- > the aim of war in Iraq is pedagogical. The U.S. intends to demonstrate > to the Arab world two important lessons. One, that hostile regimes > will be bitch-slapped into the dust bin of history. Two, that > democratic institutions improve the quality of life for all societies. > > Even assuming that these goals are worth pursuing, it cannot be > overlooked that by adopting them, the Bush administration would put > strategic victory, as the White House itself defines it, largely > outside of its own control. If the target audience in the region does > not learn that U.S. power might be turned against any irritant, the > war will have failed a major objective. If democratic institutions do > not sprout up in Iraq, another strategic objective will go by the > boards. > > It is also worth noting that the advocates of teaching these lessons > posit a kind of domino effect once Saddam is removed and Iraqi society > is liberalized. Iraq's neighbors, they predict, will be next. Assuming > that is true, one must also assume that the non-liberal forces in the > region will do all they can to prevent those liberal, democratic > institutions from forming. At the very least, any U.S. presence > attempting to cultivate such institutions will be very inviting > targets for terrorists. > > So then the Iraq war has regional, hard-to-secure strategic objectives > which could spark terrorist attacks against both the U.S. and the > follow-on regime for the foreseeable future. No wonder that the > administration only talks in code about those objectives and is no > doubt prepared to declared victory the second Saddam leaves Baghdad. > > The Washington Post's Robert Kaiser supplies a plausible explanation > of how the Bush administration has gotten away with presenting > fundamentally flawed and contradictory reasons for war. It's not that > the cabinet is full of maniacs and the mainstream press full of dolts. > It is simply a function of the power of the presidency being brought > to bear. > > Kaiser argues that there is nothing in the American political system > that can function as an opposing force to a presidency bent on driving > home a single message in service of a particular goal. > > http://newyorker.com/printable/?fact/030217fa_fact > > http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A10767- > 2003Feb14?language=printer __________ "We're not attacking Islam, but Islam has attacked us. The God of Islam is not the same God," the Rev. Franklin Graham, who spoke at President Bush's inauguration, said recently. "He's not the son of God of the Christian or Judeo-Christian faith. It's a different God, and I believe it is a very evil and wicked religion." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:34:10 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Interesting links from Reason Express On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, steve wrote: > The God of Islam is not the same God," the Rev. Franklin Graham, who > spoke at President Bush's inauguration, said recently. "He's not the son > of God of the Christian or Judeo-Christian faith. It's a different God, > and I believe it is a very evil and wicked religion." Where did this guy do his theology degree? I think you'll find that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the same in all three sects. Kipling - who often writes as if he were pro-Moslem and anti Hindu - calls them all 'people of the book'. And of course God isn't his own son, he is YHWH the father, the well-known sky god and tetragrammaton. And don't try that Trinitarian mumbo-jumbo on me, either. The Unitarians reckon that's all rubbish, and they are a respectable Christian outfit. - - MRG PS Just picked up a CD of 'Notorious Byrd Brothers' for a fiver. Amazing record: traditional Byrds harmonies and 12-string, plus Moog, brass section, string quartet, distortion guitars, pedal steel and Clarence White. Absolutely extraordinary - too bad the band fell apart while they were cutting it. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 07:34:36 -0800 From: Barbara Soutar Subject: Thanks people TC to Barbara: >>Just bite the bullet and buy the "Fruit Tree" box set. It'll become a family >>heirloom. and REX BROOME SAID: "Agreed. When I bought it, that and the introductory sampler were the only Drake available on CD (the albums weren't available individually). Never regretted it. You'll want all of them anyway, as they each have a distinct feel. " (I apologize for the messy quoting I do, since I don't seem to have a quoting function built in to my Netscape browser) Thanks to those who recommended the set of Nick Drake, and I'll try to find it. KaZaA has been failing me recently, though I did find out that it was because my computer was jammed with Betty Boop cartoon which my husband downloaded. These are quite amazing, especially the one called "Betty Boop for President" - in fact I am thinking that her election could end all world aggression. I especially liked the part where a huge mean criminal is sent to the electric chair and instead of being killed, is changed into a simpering effeminate guy! Eno's Before and After Science is a well-worn record in my collection by the way. Is it really not available on CD??? Strange. Barbara Soutar Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 07:47:03 -0800 (PST) From: Perry Amberson Subject: Re: Eno's 'Before and after Science' on CD Apparently, it is still in print. I just looked it up on amazon.com, amazon.co.uk, and hmv.com (Canada), and they all show it as being in stock. - --Perry _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 07:55:08 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Where do you hang out online? I'm currently building a web-based community for my employer (with phpBB and Linux, for those who care about such things), so I've been immersing myself in web-based community sites lately. There are several sites I frequent, but I'd like to know about others. What are your hobbies, and what websites do you use to talk about them? For example, I hang out at the following: http://www.zcar.com/ http://www.audioasylum.com/ http://www.stevehoffman.tv/ http://www.phpbb.com/ I'm looking for examples of good practice, bad practice, and simply other sites dedicated to things I'm not. I'm fairly certain that if somebody's interested in it, somebody has a web-based community for it. So let me know about yours. . Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:11:21 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: toxicity and humanity i've been away from my computer for more than a week; but i had these old threads that i wanted to comment on before checking new mail. >Yet personal wealth spent on often absurd luxeries could obviously be better used >taking care of people's basic needs. And it could be argued that wealth at a certain >level is toxic and does harm to the wealthy. this is utterly fascinating to me. i realize that i've been obsessed with the idea of waste. this springs from a deep appreciation of our natural environment and the understanding that our world is finite; yet, despite my inclinations to recycle and bicycle, i am addicted to the consumer culture that i see destroying our planet. i inherited a protestant work ethic and tried to lose it in riotous living. not quite; but my sheltered religious upbringing made it seem so. all my life i have envied those with more. i've tried to get more and gotten caught up in surrounding myself with books and films and music and friends. i've got so much stuff; and have been happy to get more. continually supersizing it can lead to unhealthy obesity. i subscribe to the idea that moderation is healthy; but you need moderation even in your moderation. we all need to live a little. in fact, living in the moment is the healthiest thing we can do; but we need to be responsible. every action has a consequence. how do you know when you've got too much? when a terrorist attack hits and you've got to take what you need and hit the road, you might find out. sometimes it seems the best thing you can do with money is to get rid of it; but it's not money that's unhealthy, it's the attitude that accompanies it. generousity of spirit is infectious. if you are open and giving, then that will come back to you. if you put up walls and hoard things, then you're going to have to. if fact, it'll be all you can do to hold onto what you've got and you'll have to really work to make more and get more. when you're focused on the material, it's never enough. for some, accumulation is a religion. pursuit of profit margins at the expense of human decency is a historical problem; but it's also a personal problem. a progressive taxation can turn this around without harming the economy. in sweden, where the tax rate is more than fifty percent, basic needs are provided for and the poverty rate is the lowest in the world. redistribution of the resources of the planet should be a major priority; but there are powerful people who want to stay powerful. the allure of wealth keeps many people running after the carrot; and not knowing the difference between what we want and what we need helps keep us all relatively disinfranchised. it's true that money can get us better health care, better lawyers, and better access to our political representatives; but so often i see myself paying more for less. i like dealing with local businesses for the sense of community. when you really think about it, the bigger a company gets, the worse the service becomes. bigger is not better. in fact, when you have fewer and fewer people responsible for more and more, it leads to mismanagement and graft. even if you have an honest person trying to make it work, there's only so much one person can do. the more people involved, the better, more informed decision will be made. if we are determined to come up with solutions that benefit everybody, then we can; but the political is the personal. we need to make these decisions in our own lives as well. >Like pornography, conspiracy theory should be regarded strictly as >entertainment, not a guide to real life. i disagree. this is like saying things that turn you on have no value. people fuck and people conspire. they are a part of the human music. the relative merits of each are in the specifics. you can and should learn from anything and everything. when i think of the warren commission or even campaign finance, i can't help but wonder why people aren't more questioning than they seem to be. when two people plot to do anything from killing the boss to stealing office supplies, then it's a conspiracy. there is a tendency for people to be lazy and rely to heavily on sweeping generalizations and dubious explanations; but the prevalence of these theories in our culture is indicative of a deepseated distrust of those in power. it's all about sources. who do you want to believe? you hear chatter about a liberal bias in the media; yet the fact of the matter is that there isn't a liberal or conservative bias, but rather a bias in favor of corporate power. >I don't really know how to increase signel and cut noise, but Im all for it if we could >work something out along such lines. people will say and do what they will. there will always be negative threads, poorly-thought-out posts, and unconstructive chatter. i like your description of these trends. noise is far outweighed by signal on this list. whenever i read something that irks me, there's usually someone out there that addresses my concerns before i get a chance. i like to think that we are all learning. we can put something out there and get a response that completely changes our perspective. it's fabulous. ken "receive and transmit" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 11:57:16 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Where do you hang out online? Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > > What are your hobbies, and what websites do you > use to talk about them? PerlMonks , mostly. All the rest of the stuff -- the photography, the discussion of the works of J P Martin -- are all done by mailing list, 'cos at least I can control the user interface I use. I've seen phpBB used for neat things -- Nanowrimo, Royal Roads Community forums -- but PHP itself has always struck me as a bit 'eww'. I think I'm supposed to like the online community interface at , but since I usually see the backend, I'm not so sure. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:30:42 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Pants and Shirts Me, then Eb: >>>The huge pants I could understand. >>Explain them to me, then. Well, what I meant was that I could understand them as an extrapolation, or extreme version, of an explicable form of clothing-- that is, loose fitting jeans, which I like and wear. Always have, since I had long skinny legs and didn't want to emphasize it, nor did I enjoy the constrictive feeling of "tight" jeans. The legs aren't that skinny anymore, but I still wear largish, loosish jeans, and XL t-shirts for that matter. So, dumb as it looks, I can relate to the "roots" of the huge pants movement and have in some ways benefitted from it without partaking myself. _________ Jeff: >>Yep, nothing like an invigorating round of air hockey. How did you know we called it that? You work for Homeland Security, don't you? ____ Sabina: >>hehe. much fun being 14 and going through the mall or something singing >>this. i made a shirt with buzzcocks on the front and i am constantly explaining >>to people that it's not what their perverted mind is thinking, it's a band. Very cool for 14. That could quite well be her by then. Dunno about 2. However, I really do want to find a Sleater-Kinney shirt in size 4T for her. Guess I'll have to make one. >>anyways, despite any content, i'm sure your daughter will thank you when she >>grows up for letting her listen to the buzzcocks. That's the idea. Better to have her hear them before all the frat-rock knockoffs with the "hot" frontmen. Much as it benefitted me to hear real, actual country music as a child, the better to scoff at what passes for it now. We give what we can, eh? - -Rex "Where Were the Girls With The Homemade Buzzcocks T-Shirts When I Was 14?" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:35:49 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: Interesting links from Reason Express > On Wed, 19 Feb 2003, steve wrote: > > The God of Islam is not the same God," the Rev. Franklin Graham, who > > spoke at President Bush's inauguration, said recently. "He's not the son > > of God of the Christian or Judeo-Christian faith. It's a different God, > > and I believe it is a very evil and wicked religion." > > Where did this guy do his theology degree? I think you'll find that the > God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the same in all three sects. Kipling - > who often writes as if he were pro-Moslem and anti Hindu - calls them all > 'people of the book'. I dunno Bob Jones University? j/k This is Billy Graham's kid right? So I thi his views on islam probably mirror the following Jack Chick tract: http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp > And of course God isn't his own son, he is YHWH the father, the well-known > sky god and tetragrammaton. And don't try that Trinitarian mumbo-jumbo on > me, either. The Unitarians reckon that's all rubbish, and they are a > respectable Christian outfit. As someone that was raised Unitarian, I can tell you that a lot of fundamentalist born-agains look at Unitiarian-Universalism as being on par with Satanism. That said Unitarianism has to be the most wishy-washy anything goes sect around. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 13:04:55 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: RE: Interesting links from Reason Express Jason Brown wrote: > > I can tell you that a lot of > fundamentalist born-agains look at > Unitiarian-Universalism as being on > par with Satanism. Philip Henry Gosse (victorian naturalist, inventor of the aquarium, and fundamentalist opponent of Darwin) refused an offer of lunch with Unitarians, for he "could not dine with those who denied the Holy Trinity of Our Lord". The things one learns when one is married to one of the world's experts on the Gosses ... > That said Unitarianism has to be the most > wishy-washy anything goes sect around. Coming from a liberal Quaker background, it's a bit alarming how "churchy" meeting is here. Plus you can't get a minute's silence for someone popping up and giving fifteen minutes of ministry on the beauty and value of silence ... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:32:53 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: Worst Album Cover for a GoodAlbum Schoolboys in Disgrace - The Kinks Sunflower - The Beach Boys ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:43:29 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Worst Album Cover for a GoodAlbum >Schoolboys in Disgrace - The Kinks >Sunflower - The Beach Boys I've always felt like Neil's "Tonight's the Night" is sort of the standard-bearer. "Blonde on Blonde" is another major candidate. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:49:46 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Worst Album Cover for a GoodAlbum Good thread! man, there are probably dozens, but all I can think about are these: "Tormato," Yes. (Let's not debate how good the album is, shall we?) "Mirrorball," Neil Young. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:59:17 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Worst Album Cover for a GoodAlbum At 12:43 PM 2/19/2003 -0800, Eb wrote: >>Schoolboys in Disgrace - The Kinks >>Sunflower - The Beach Boys > >I've always felt like Neil's "Tonight's the Night" is sort of the >standard-bearer. > >"Blonde on Blonde" is another major candidate.= HOUSES OF THE HOLY, though I don't expect a majority opinion in favor of "good" on Feg. And then there's the cover of Joe Henry's TRAMPOLINE - ick, ick, ick. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 12:57:28 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Worst Album Cover for a GoodAlbum >HOUSES OF THE HOLY, though I don't expect a majority opinion in >favor of "good" on Feg. Actually, I'd be more prone to question why you think that's such a bad cover. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 15:14:43 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Worst Album Cover for a GoodAlbum At 12:57 PM 2/19/2003 -0800, Eb wrote: >>HOUSES OF THE HOLY, though I don't expect a majority opinion in >>favor of "good" on Feg. > >Actually, I'd be more prone to question why you think that's such a bad cover. Dayglo orange, naked kids. Ick-worthy separately; together, monumentally ugly. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:50:13 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Where do you hang out online? > What are your hobbies, and what websites do you use to talk about them? The Pynchon List is my second biggest hang-out, other than Fegmaniax: http://www.waste.org/pynchon-l I am also a member of the following Web site based fan communities: U2.com and Bjork.com. And the following public mailing lists, in order of volume (I only post regularly to the one with asterisks.): Fegmaniax!* The Pynchon List* Spiral-Bound (PoMo literature)* Elephant Talk (King Crimson) Ishmail (Herman Melville) Cthulhu Live!* Jardines (a parrot companion list) Philip Glass List* James Joyce Group Finnegans Wake Reading group Specula (Umberto Eco)* Macondo Post (Garcia Marquez) Beckett List Borges-L South American Authors - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:59:11 -0500 From: Sabina Carlson Subject: Re: Where do you hang out online? eugene: > I'm currently building a web-based community for my employer (with phpBB and > Linux, for those who care about such things), so I've been immersing myself in > web-based community sites lately. There are several sites I frequent, but I'd > like to know about others. > > What are your hobbies, and what websites do you use to talk about them? umm i don't know if this counts but i am an online comic addict, so there's places like keenspace.com and onlinecomics.net for people like me, and it definitely is a community of sorts with all the link pages and general servers and stuff. i also have a wall of dead in my room (basically i put anything on my wall that has to do with someone in music dying, and yes i am sadly saving a space for warren zevon) so there's sites like the cemetary of rock (which i can't get to now!!!! grrr) and the "we'll always remember" rock obituary index (http://www.hotshotdigital.com/WellAlwaysRemember/BandsList.html) neither exactly cover ALL the deaths, not really anywhere close 'cause that's a hard feat (they don't have matty luv, for example, but then again he's a recent death). again, i am not sure if this counts either but....yeah just thought i'd say it in case it helps. and it's only a poisonous plant, sabina sheena "martian girl from planet v, will you marry me? whoawhoawhoawhoawhoa!" - the aquabats ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:04:08 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: B(ll)arney on 2/18/03 3:57 PM, James Dignan at grutness@surf4nix.com wrote: > PS - but which author of juvenile science fiction made sure that she wrote > books with titles beginning with every letter of the alphabet? Dunno about juvenile science fiction, but Sue Grafton is up to "Q Is For Quarry" in her mystery series. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:16:44 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: reap Country singer Johnny Paycheck, age 64. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=495&ncid=762&e=7&u=/ap/ 20030219/ap_en_mu/obit_paycheck Cheers! - -g- "Never waste a trip anywhere by coming home without beer." - --Russ Reynolds ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 16:22:04 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Worst Album Cover for a GoodAlbum Jason queries: > Subject: Worst Album Cover for a GoodAlbum I'm a big Rush fan but that cover for "Hemisperes" always kind of gave me the willies. Then there's "The Warning" from Queensryche, a clumsly and hackneyed cover if there ever was one. Admittedly in both cases your definition of 'good album' would have to include prog rock/metal :) And I'll probably be castigated for this, but "Black Snake Daimond Role" always struck me as awful - especially given how excellent the music inside was. Michael "there's a couple Sabbath albums which are no bargain either" Wells. Ps. the fave album cover of all time? hmm... ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #59 *******************************