From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #58 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 19 2003 Volume 12 : Number 058 Today's Subjects: ----------------- SB gig query? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: a barney [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: barney [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: a barney ["matt sewell" ] Re: a barney [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Hitchcock birthday show [Michael R Godwin ] I love you George (not you, dubya)... ["matt sewell" ] Racist Rhetoric [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] Re: a barney ["Mike Wells" ] Re: SB gig query? [Perry Amberson ] Re: a barney [Tom Clark ] Parenting, Valentine's Day, and No Geopolitics ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Parenting, Valentine's Day, and No Geopolitics [Eb ] Re: Shoelaces and pants [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: Parenting, Valentine's Day, and No Geopolitics [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jef] Database Verkloot? [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: SB gig query? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Parenting, Valentine's Day, and No Geopolitics [Sabina Carlson ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:21:59 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: SB gig query? What was the date of the Kershaw session that was online a while back - included a couple of interviews and Destroy, Narcissus, Pulse, Sudden, and Kennedy...? Thanks in advance... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: Some days, you just can't get rid of a bomb :: --Batman ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 00:02:45 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: a barney On 17 Feb 2003 at 16:30, Tom Clark wrote: > That one fits my initial thought, that it was some kind of Cockney. > However, Barney Rubble wasn't around in 1864... My source is "Ocean's 11". One of the characters explains it that way. That's all I know. Googling on "barney cockney trouble" seems to support that explanation. Looks as if it was reverse engineered by this generation, and the original meaning has been forgotten by most. Maybe nobody remembers the original "Barney" anymore. Do any Britfegs care to weigh in? What's the original link? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 06:14:19 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: barney >> P.s. Jim Davies mentioned having a "barney" with someone. What does that >> derive from? > >What you what to do to a giant purple fucker who sings happy songs. With a >13-month old, you're about to find out...say in about six to eight months or >so. Good luck. To barney, i.e. to have an altercation with, dates from at least Dickens's time. The slang dictionary I have says "origin obscure", but I suspect Cockney rhyming slang. >More specifically, Barney Rubble = trouble. the Flintstones have been going longer than I thought! Perhaps, however, the Flintstones got the character name from an old term, and it was the old term which led to the rhyming slang. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 10:00:50 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: a barney What the hell are you talking about? Barney Rubble goes back to the stone age, surely...? Cheers Matt >From: Tom Clark >That one fits my initial thought, that it was some kind of Cockney. >However, Barney Rubble wasn't around in 1864... > >-tc - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Stay in touch with absent friends. Download MSN Messenger for FREE! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:34:06 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: a barney On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, matt sewell wrote: > What the hell are you talking about? Barney Rubble goes back to the stone > age, surely...? Yuk! Yuk! That's a good one, Fred! At http://phrases.shu.ac.uk/bulletin_board/13/messages/932.html Partridge claims it is 'a rowdy jollification', and derives it from 'the holding of Barnard Castle by Sir George Bowes during the Rising of the North in 1569'. However, I prefer Marcy's definition. And how about James's contention that Barney Rubble is _named after_ the slang term? Evidence? - - Mike "Wilma! Open this door!" Godwin n.p. Universal Mind Decoder (disappointingly, it turns out just to be a jam over the chords of "Change is now"). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:34:32 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Hitchcock birthday show On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Marc Holden wrote: > Good to hear you'll make it. Let me know if you'd like to meet up before the show. Marc Marc and fegs My master plan is to take in the Aztecs exhibition at the Royal Academy in the afternoon (maybe 3.30ish), and then make my way to the South Bank. Does anyone else have any pre-show plans? Does anyone else fancy Aztec-ing? Then we can yell for 'Mexican God' all the way through the show*. - - Mike Godwin * Unless he plays it as the first number... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:07:25 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: I love you George (not you, dubya)... Dear old George Monbiot's article on reasons why Iraq's about to be bombed into the stoneage (if it isn't there already): http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,897766,00.html Cheers Matt - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:08:51 +0000 From: "Charlotte Tupman" Subject: Re: Hitchcock birthday show Re things to do before the show: I wonder if the De Chirico exhibition is still on? (Recommended by Robyn himself). Charlotte >From: Michael R Godwin >Reply-To: Michael R Godwin >To: Marc Holden >CC: AleatorySheepPoems >Subject: Re: Hitchcock birthday show >Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:34:32 +0000 (GMT) > >On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Marc Holden wrote: > > Good to hear you'll make it. Let me know if you'd like to meet up before >the show. Marc > >Marc and fegs > >My master plan is to take in the Aztecs exhibition at the Royal Academy > >in the afternoon (maybe 3.30ish), and then make my way to the South Bank. > >Does anyone else have any pre-show plans? Does anyone else fancy >Aztec-ing? Then we can yell for 'Mexican God' all the way through the >show*. > > >- Mike Godwin > >* Unless he plays it as the first number... _________________________________________________________________ Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=186&DI=1059 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:20:03 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Hitchcock birthday show On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Charlotte Tupman wrote: > Re things to do before the show: I wonder if the De Chirico exhibition is > still on? (Recommended by Robyn himself). > > Charlotte According to: http://www.guardian.co.uk/arts/reviews/story/0,11712,890674,00.html> it's on till 13 April at the Estorick Collection, 39a Canonbury Sq, N1. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:41:17 +0000 (GMT) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Racist Rhetoric Had you worried there... My Cassell Dict. of Slang says that Barney was a common Irish name and, by association - since all Micks are, as one, prone to a punch-up - it came to denote aggro. cf Paddy and Donnybrook (after the Fair...) I'm sure Jim didn't mean to be racist, even though he's got a Taffy name...;-) Jock Joe PS Robyn was leading the peace march in Tucson, I'd imagine... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 08:29:49 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: a barney > However, I prefer Marcy's definition. And how about James's contention > that Barney Rubble is _named after_ the slang term? Evidence? Can't speak to that, but I can tell you that "having a Betty"* goes back to my college days! Michael "tip your waitstaff" Wells * flatlander rhyming slang, rhymes with 'sweaty' and 'at midnight on the South jetty'...you can get the rest :) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 07:04:11 -0800 (PST) From: Perry Amberson Subject: Re: SB gig query? The Kershaw session was the Friday night before the U.S. tour started, so it was October 18, 2002. I listened to it live on the BBC's streaming audio feed Friday afternoon (Alabammy time). - --Perry PS: For you outsider music enthusiasts, I'm participating in Otis Fodder's 365 Days web project. My first contribution is available today. I'll also be guest curator for another seven days between now and the end of March. ____________________________________________ Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:09:46 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: a barney on 2/18/03 2:00 AM, matt sewell at matt_sewell@hotmail.com wrote: > What the hell are you talking about? Barney Rubble goes back to the stone > age, surely...? I was waiting for that. ;) - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:44:36 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Parenting, Valentine's Day, and No Geopolitics Ross O: > Never mind that; it's just talk. Don't you folks care about yard- > long shoelaces? I haven't seen that, but the thing in recent years that has puzzled me is huge guys riding, or just sitting around astride, tiny little kid bicycles. Otherwise "cool" looking gangsta-types. Just looks dumb. The huge pants I could understand, but the tiny bike thing is precisely where I part company with modern "style" and start getting old. _____________ James on upcoming Chills stuff: >>Both the EP and album will have titles beginning in SB, by the >>sound of it This must be a totally antipodean thing, apparently, akin to the double "l"'s in most Go-Betweens album titles. Does anyone else do this? I guess there's an argument to be made for Robyn's "Invisible" albums, or his "Hitchcock" ones... >>heh! The album will be "Before and after science", so called because the >>first half is raucous and vaguely rocking (snip) I'm surprised that there are fegs unfamiliar with this record! Pretty great, um, middle-period (I guess) Eno. Really long overdue for remastering on CD, along with most of the totally (to me, anyway) essential Eno. ________ TC to Barbara: >>Just bite the bullet and buy the "Fruit Tree" box set. It'll become a family >>heirloom. Agreed. When I bought it, that and the introductory sampler were the only Drake available on CD (the albums weren't available individually). Never regretted it. You'll want all of them anyway, as they each have a distinct feel. ____ Natalie the Unsubscribed: >>The ubiquitous Portland scenester DJ Gregarious played XTC and >>Television, which pleased me I bopped into a record store with my daughter this weekend and they were cranking Marquee Moon. Little girl dug it and enjoyed pulling discs out of the bottom shelf and resorting them (just like at home, really). Next up was Singles Going Steady, which was cool except that it was... a little odd seeing her hop up and down to "Orgasm Addict". Sometimes I forget that a lot of my favorite music isn't a whole lot less juvenile than some of the modern stuff I detest. Oh well. Tom C: >>We have decided to run a No-Barney household. The Teletubbies have already >>made inroads, but that's ok, since they remind me of my old acid-dropping >>days. Fun for all ages! We've banned Barney, too. My wife finds him way disturbing; I just find his show insultingly crappily produced, and thus not fit for my daughters' consumption. Right now she mostly sees the PBS morning lineup-- mostly Arthur, which I find very benign. We all hunkered down and watched the Powerpuff Girls movie on DVD this weekend. She likes the Powerpuff Girls, and I'm all about that. Nifty role models and a nice, mildly subversive side-order of cartoon in-jokery. What's not to love? ______ Eb: >>Anyone have a romantic V-Day story to share? Don't look at me.... The wife treated me very well. In addition to some swell and thoughtful gifts, let's just say that there were certain things that couldn't happen for medical reasons during and right after our recent pregnancy, and now they can and have. Woo hoo! - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:18:52 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: a barney Can't say I'm surprised, Tom - your sense of humour is quite as dreadful as mine! Cheers Matt >From: Tom Clark >To: matt sewell , Detonating in a Ten Ton Truck >Subject: Re: a barney >Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 11:09:46 -0800 > >on 2/18/03 2:00 AM, matt sewell at matt_sewell@hotmail.com wrote: > > > What the hell are you talking about? Barney Rubble goes back to the stone > > age, surely...? > >I was waiting for that. ;) > >-tc > - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 12:28:12 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Parenting, Valentine's Day, and No Geopolitics >The huge pants I could understand. Explain them to me, then. To me, this and the unlaced-shoes thing are about the stupidest fashion trends I've ever seen. The only thing I can imagine topping this would be a new hip-hop group who insists on wearing their shirts with the hems pulled up over their faces. Maybe they could have tattooed faces on their tummies, as compensation? I finally saw My Big Fat Bore, er, Greek Wedding, last night. WOW, I don't get why this was such a hit. No laughs, no chemistry, no depth...not even all that "sweet." I was barely able to sit through it, and if it hadn't been such a gargantuan smash, I probably *wouldn't* have. Seeing Interpol tonight...excited about that! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 14:36:30 -0800 From: Elizabeth Brion Subject: Shoelaces and pants On Tuesday, February 18, 2003, at 12:28 PM, Eb wrote: >> The huge pants I could understand. > > Explain them to me, then. To me, this and the unlaced-shoes thing are > about the stupidest fashion trends I've ever seen. No explanation from me, but I do have a related cautionary tale. Years ago, an old friend of mine developed a minor drug problem, which as it so often does led to a minor crime problem, which led to his spending the night in a New York City holding cell. Naturally, everyone's belts and shoelaces were confiscated. We watch TV. We know about that part. Many inmates were sporting huge pants, which really require belts to work at all, and my friend entertained himself during his brief stay mainly watching guys try to hold the pay phone receiver, put change in the slot, and keep their pants up simultaneously. The pants always lost. Always. Apparently, it lent a great deal of weight to the maternal caution about wearing clean underwear when you leave the house. Haven't seen any yard-long shoelaces in this part of the world yet, but my husband is quite distressed about the hygiene involved in retying something that has been dragging on the ground behind you all day. I hadn't even thought of that. Eww. E ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:18:23 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Shoelaces and pants *Now* we're talking! About pants: I saw some bell bottoms about two weeks ago that I would have sworn were a dress. They were bigger than any you ever saw in the 60's, no matter what you were on at the time. Not those baggies that make it look as though a 6-foot guy has the legs of Herve Villechaize, but huge bell bottoms that were wider at the end of each leg than a 365 pound man's waist. The free world's going to hell in an oversized handbasket! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:12:26 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Parenting, Valentine's Day, and No Geopolitics Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > I haven't seen that, but the thing in recent years that has puzzled me > is > huge guys riding, or just sitting around astride, tiny little kid > bicycles. > Otherwise "cool" looking gangsta-types. Just looks dumb. The huge pants > I > could understand, but the tiny bike thing is precisely where I part > company > with modern "style" and start getting old. The pants-down, underwear-up look...the tiny bikes...it's all an al Qaeda plot to sap our national self-confidence. Next up: large, floppy, two-foot long shoes. > The wife treated me very well. In addition to some swell and thoughtful > gifts, let's just say that there were certain things that couldn't > happen > for medical reasons during and right after our recent pregnancy, and now > they can and have. Woo hoo! Yep, nothing like an invigorating round of air hockey. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 02:43:43 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Database Verkloot? I've just been trying out the Gnod "AI music suggestion program", which I've not seen mentioned here before. Like various similar sites on the web past and present, you type in several favourite bands and it suggests new ones for you. By rating the new ones, it slowly homes in on bands you might like but have not heard of. In my case, its first suggestion was Echo & the Bunnymen, not bad. From there, it went through several bands I knew before throwing up the names Database Verkloot and Bananafishbones, neither of which I've ever heard of. Anyone know anything about them? Oh, and Interpol were listed as fifth or sixth choice - yet more evidence that I need to hear them. James PS - the site is at James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:50:47 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: SB gig query? Quoting Perry Amberson : > The Kershaw session was the Friday night before the > U.S. tour started, so it was October 18, 2002. I > listened to it live on the BBC's streaming audio feed > Friday afternoon (Alabammy time). Tjamls! (Oops - that was Shifted Keyboard for "Thanks!") ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 21:56:15 -0500 From: Sabina Carlson Subject: Re: Parenting, Valentine's Day, and No Geopolitics rex said: > the bottom shelf and resorting them (just like at home, really). Next up > was Singles Going Steady, which was cool except that it was... a little odd > seeing her hop up and down to "Orgasm Addict". hehe. much fun being 14 and going through the mall or something singing this. wait, mall or something else? err, bleh, not important. or having very same friend tell you about the time she was playing this in the background while she was on the phone and having the guy on the other line ask "what's happening back there????" *sigh*, so much fun. but, i can understand being a little weirded out. it would be a little odd to see my little brother bouncing up and down to orgasm addict. er i made a shirt with buzzcocks on the front and i am constantly explaining to people that it's not what their perverted mind is thinking, it's a band. again, not important.... yeah anyways, despite any content, i'm sure your daughter will thank you when she grows up for letting her listen to the buzzcocks. i know i'll thank my parents for letting me listen to them if i haven't already! hehe ~sabina sheena, singing "sounds great when you're dead" on the phone with poor scott, unsuspecting of another hitchcock quote. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 09:31:48 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Database Verkloot? - -- James Dignan is rumored to have mumbled on Mittwoch, 19. Februar 2003 2:43 Uhr +1300 regarding Database Verkloot?: > In my case, its first suggestion was Echo & the Bunnymen, not bad. From > there, it went through several bands I knew before throwing up the names > Database Verkloot and Bananafishbones, neither of which I've ever heard > of. Anyone know anything about them? Yeah, the Bananafishbones are a German band, which had a huge hit (Come To Sin) a few years ago with the music for a commercial. ISTR that the song was available before the commercial came out, but it definitely became a hit because of its use in this ubiquitious commercial for a department store chain. The song was very catchy in a nice way and I borrowed a CD from a friend, but found it ultimately boring. I don't know what happened next. I think they're still around. Try if you can find Come To Sin as mp3. Cheers, Sebastian - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156, 50823 Kvln, Germany http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ "Being just contaminates the void" - Robyn Hitchcock ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #58 *******************************