From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #57 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, February 17 2003 Volume 12 : Number 057 Today's Subjects: ----------------- didn't see Robyn or Michelle [Jim Davies ] Re: didn't see Robyn or Michelle [Eb ] Re: didn't see Robyn or Michelle [Caroline Smith ] Re: The Son's Room [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Snow. [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: L [Michael R Godwin ] Re: apropos of nothing [Christopher Gross ] Re: didn't see Robyn or Michelle [Tom Clark ] Re: old subject headings ["Mike Wells" ] Dino vs. Tinky-Winkie [Tom Clark ] a barney [Marcy Tanter ] reap [Eb ] snow [Ken Weingold ] Re: snow ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: snow [Ken Weingold ] Re: reap ["Mike Wells" ] Re: a barney [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: a barney [Tom Clark ] Bert the Turtle [Jeff Dwarf ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 01:01:16 GMT From: Jim Davies Subject: didn't see Robyn or Michelle (robyn content appears towards the end, honest) But then I didn't see any of the 30 or 40 people I =knew= to be there, either. I've put a few photos up on the web, at www.fiveminuteslater.com (Yeah, there are some almost duplicates, I just haven't worked out which of these I want to keep). I am certain that the attendance was closer to the organisers' figure of 2M, than to the early `police' figure of 750K. The Sky News estimate of 1.5M seems quite credible. My feeling about this is based upon the fact that people were still on Waterloo Bridge, waiting for a chance to cross the river and start marching, at Embankment, when we were finishing the march at Hyde Park - - it took us three hours. We also saw whole streets full of people waiting to join the main march, but being held back (for the moment) because Piccadilly was too full for comfort (you can see it full, from end to end, on the photos). Fellow Robyn fan Dawn was there, and I ran into John (Oxford feg) on the train on the way back. But, like I said, even using mobiles, it was hard enough to meet up with people you =knew= were there. A fair amount of central London was =rammed=. By the way, in case anyone hasn't guessed, =most= of this country - who are not, and have never been - heh heh - weasels or cowards - think that the planned war is a terrible, terrible (deliberate) mistake. Seems to me like a lot of people in America have been sold on something that isn't terribly true, and isn't really in their own interest. And it's probably impossible to get through to them, even in person (I had a little bit of a barney with my - US Army - father-in-law today). I guess that they think they have as much information as we do, and that we were the fools, or the cowards, for marching. Nobody wants to admit that they might not be sitting in the best position (in this case, anywhere on the receiving end of the US media) to make a judgement on this. It's also pretty damn =emotional= for them, too. But that doesn't mean that this war is a good idea for anyone, except Bush (who =needs= it now). So it's probably going to happen. Short of a miracle. Anyway, to my point (and I did have one). I'm sure that Robyn will have a happy birthday, with so many wishing him well, and it will be a great gig, but unless something unexpected happens between now and then, it's going to be a strange occasion. Almost the eve of the war. Hmm. x Jim - -- p.s. Matt said that he just got back row tickets, which means that the gig must be pretty near sold out. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 18:06:01 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: didn't see Robyn or Michelle >By the way, in case anyone hasn't guessed, =most= of this country - >who are not, and have never been - heh heh - weasels or cowards - >think that the planned war is a terrible, terrible (deliberate) >mistake. I saw some interesting poll results on the news, the other night...I'm not entirely sure about the figures, but I think they said 46% of Brits think Tony Blair is just "Bush's lap dog," 38% think the US itself is a threat to world peace and 69% think the UK shouldn't furnish troops if the US doesn't get UN support. I *think* that's what they said, anyway.... Carry on. And for the love of Gawd, someone change the other thread's subject line to something fresh. Anyone have a romantic V-Day story to share? Don't look at me.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 21:44:43 -0500 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: didn't see Robyn or Michelle On Sunday, February 16, 2003, at 09:06 PM, Eb wrote: > > Anyone have a romantic V-Day story to share? Don't look at me.... I had a nice weekend in Niagara Falls. The Falls are beautiful in winter. If you go, check out the restaurant in the Hilton for a late dinner. They have a fantastic view from the 32nd floor of the Falls illuminated in eye-candy colours. I have pics to email if anyone's interested. Caroline Didn't House of Love have a song called 32nd Floor? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 19:16:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: didn't see Robyn or Michelle Caroline Smith wrote: > Didn't House of Love have a song called 32nd Floor? Track 11 on the so-called Fontana/Butterly album: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=10:12:55|PM&sql=A6tkvu325an8k nw: 60 Minutes story on how ill-prepared the U.S. military is to deal with Bio-Chem attacks the troops are being sent off into. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 04:52:58 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: The Son's Room >For years I've seen James Dignan's signature file, the one where he >quotes the Brian Eno song. Last night I was watching Nani Moretti's >"The Son's Room", an Italian film about a tragedy suffered by an Italian >family, and how they deal with their grief. In one part of the film, the >father goes to a cd store and asks to buy a cd for his son's friend, and >the proprietor recommended one but didn't mention the name. He begins to >play the cd, and although I didn't recognize it, it was a very pretty >song, and it was also replayed over the ending credits, where much to my >surprise, it was identified as "By this River". I grabbed a pen and >wrote down some of the lyrics, and I knew I'd seen them before-in James' >sig file. What a small world-I finally hear a Brian Eno song in an >Italian movie that I recognized from a New Zealand sig file. bibi --- heh! The album will be "Before and after science", so called because the first half is raucous and vaguely rocking (in an Enoesque way), and the second side is quiet, ambient, 'watery' - sort of 'pre and post holocaust" if you like. Highlights for me are the Talking Heads piss-take (that's pronounced "pastiche") "King's lead hat", the wonderful basswork of "Kurt's rejoinder", the calm yet dark "Julie with", and "By this river", which contains, in my view, the best possible description of email conversations (see below ;) James PS - it also contains "Here he comes" - a song that I mentioned a while back as being one I would like to haveplayed at my funeral. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 05:36:41 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Snow. > Anyone else out there stuck in this storm on the east coast? We have >nearly 7" already. It wasn't even supposed to start until 5 PM, it began at >8 AM. They say it won't end till 7 PM tomorrow, with the worst yet to come. > It's mind blowing. Please Canadians, don't mock me! I guess you don't want comments from anywhere where it's summer either. FWIW, another weird day with some Aussie bushfire smoke today. Brown skies, dry as, and the wind pushing the temperature up and up. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:08:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: L On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Jim Davies wrote: > p.s. Matt said that he just got back row tickets, which means that the > gig must be pretty near sold out. Oh, you've talked me into it, Jim. I've just signed up for a ticket in the penult row. There were no more than 20 seats left. I'll be the one worrying all the way through about whether I can get back to Paddington in time for the 23.30 (I don't fancy waiting for the 3.35 to Reading and then waiting for the 6.02 to Bath...) See you all there! - - Mike Godwin PS My wife, stepdaughter, stepgranddaughter and stepgrandson (aged 11 months) made it to the march, but I had a gig... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 08:13:39 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: apropos of nothing Actually, I'm dropping this whole discussion. I'm not in the mood for it, and it's a pointless debate anyway. I regret my role in starting and reviving it. Oh, well. Thinking of skipping work because of the snow, Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:04:06 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: didn't see Robyn or Michelle on 2/16/03 6:06 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > Anyone have a romantic V-Day story to share? Don't look at me.... My wife and I had another couple over with their 15 month old daughter. She and our 13 month old ripped the house apart while the adults scarfed down Thai food and Pilsner Urquells and listened to my now-famous "Fuck!" compilation. The whole evening was over by 9:30. Oh, and there were some hand made truffles involved. - -tc P.s. Jim Davies mentioned having a "barney" with someone. What does that derive from? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:11:42 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: old subject headings > on 2/16/03 6:06 PM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: > Anyone have a romantic V-Day story to share? Don't look at me.... I left the wife home with two sick kids while a buddy and I hit the late-night Apples in Stereo show at the Abbey Pub. After 11 years of marriage, the magic lives on! Heh. > P.s. Jim Davies mentioned having a "barney" with someone. What does that > derive from? What you what to do to a giant purple fucker who sings happy songs. With a 13-month old, you're about to find out...say in about six to eight months or so. Good luck. Michael "I'm paying for it now, trust me" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:16:45 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Dino vs. Tinky-Winkie on 2/17/03 11:11 AM, Mike Wells at mwells@imageworksmfg.com wrote: >> P.s. Jim Davies mentioned having a "barney" with someone. What does that >> derive from? > > What you what to do to a giant purple fucker who sings happy songs. With a > 13-month old, you're about to find out...say in about six to eight months or > so. Good luck. We have decided to run a No-Barney household. The Teletubbies have already made inroads, but that's ok, since they remind me of my old acid-dropping days. Fun for all ages! Hat hat hat hat, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 13:21:16 -0600 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: a barney A barney is a disagreement. The OED says it's a noisy one. Here's their def. with quotes showing usage: c. A noisy dispute or altercation. Also Austral. and N.Z. 1864 C. R. THATCHER Colonial Songster 86 A barney first commenced, in one of their Celestial revels. 1885 in Elworthy W. Somerset Word-bk. (1886) 45 I'll warn't there'll be a barney over thick job. 1888 'R. BOLDREWOOD' Robbery under Arms II. xiii. 216 We had long talks and barneys over the whole thing. 1895 Daily News 4 Jan. 3/7 (E.D.D.), Selby runs out, and goes to get another knife, but I stops him, and the barney was all over. 1916 Bulletin (Sydney) 17 Feb. 48/4 We did 'ave a bit of a barney. She tole me I'd better be goin'. 1929 J. B. PRIESTLEY Good Companions I. iv. 112 He has a bit of a barney with the other two partners, decides to have a split. 1958 Encounter May 12/2 There was a right barney at the other end of the shop. 1958 D. NILAND Call me when Cross turns over 200 There should never have been a barney between them in the first place. 1959 Spectator 29 May 752/3 That a team will go forward without Maori players..is the only positive conclusion that can be drawn from the barney. 1964 J. BURKE Hard Day's Night i. 20 'If you're going to have a barney,' said John, 'I'll hold your coats.' ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 11:36:18 -0800 From: Eb Subject: reap Wow, what a horror. Do any of you Chicago folks have any firsthand impressions of this nightclub? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:23:29 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: snow Brooklyn. Wheeee: - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:40:54 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: snow >From: Ken Weingold >Subject: snow >Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:23:29 -0500 > >Brooklyn. Wheeee: > >-Ken Featuring Mark as the Grim Reaper. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:51:01 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: snow On Mon, Feb 17, 2003, Maximilian Lang wrote: > >From: Ken Weingold > > > >Brooklyn. Wheeee: > > Featuring Mark as the Grim Reaper. Heh heh. Notice the difference in the way we're dressed. Lightweights.... - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 15:09:24 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: reap Eb reaps: > Wow, what a horror. > Do any of you Chicago folks have any firsthand impressions of this nightclub? Other than knowing where it is...2300 S. Michigan is starting to get into the South Side proper. Not sure if any of our listmembers would really have reason to be down that way (that's not intended to be an insult of any kind). There are some seriously freaky stories coming out from the survivors...being forced forward over already-trampled dead people...having people vomit, pass out right next to you and die...yikes. To give you an idea of how entrenched the Daley family is here, the death of old man Daley's wife Elanor (and mother of the current Hizzoner) has been getting co-billing on the headlines. Michael "for once, we're not the ones in the blizzard" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 18:55:05 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: a barney On 17 Feb 2003 at 13:21, Marcy Tanter wrote: > A barney is a disagreement. The OED says it's a noisy one. Here's their > def. with quotes showing usage: > > c. A noisy dispute or altercation. Also Austral. and N.Z. More specifically, Barney Rubble = trouble. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:30:48 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: a barney on 2/17/03 3:55 PM, rosso@videotron.ca at rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > On 17 Feb 2003 at 13:21, Marcy Tanter wrote: > >> A barney is a disagreement. The OED says it's a noisy one. Here's their >> def. with quotes showing usage: >> >> c. A noisy dispute or altercation. Also Austral. and N.Z. > > More specifically, Barney Rubble = trouble. That one fits my initial thought, that it was some kind of Cockney. However, Barney Rubble wasn't around in 1864... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 19:36:14 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Bert the Turtle http://www.solidarity.com/hkcartoons/duckandcover.html ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #57 *******************************