From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #54 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, February 15 2003 Volume 12 : Number 054 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: apropos of nothing ["matt sewell" ] RE: apropos of nothing ["matt sewell" ] fashion victim [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: apropos of nothing [Christopher Gross ] Twas Bushlig [steve ] Re: Oscar bitching/Drake note [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Re-Covered Memories [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: If you aren't frightened yet... [steve ] Scary Stuff (was formerly Women's Rights) ["FS Thomas" ] Soft Boys UK tour info? ["Dave Roberts" ] I don't disagree [Jill Brand ] media hysteria ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] reap [steve ] Re: reap ["Maximilian Lang" ] time to namedrop again... [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Soft Boys UK tour info? ["Charlotte Tupman" Subject: RE: apropos of nothing I think you're still many times more likely to die in a car accident on the way to the airport. I think you'll probably be Ok! Cheers Matt >From: Catherine Simpson > >Do you think it's generational? For instance, I'm flying from Los Angeles to >London next month, and though I'm perhaps a bit more trepidatious about it >than I would have been prior to 9/11/01, I'm not exactly "terrorized". My >mother, on the other hand, is convinced I'm going to die. All my 20- and >30-something friends think it's great, my 40+ friends think I'm stupid for >flying internationally right now (mind you, I'm 38 and perfectly capable of >travelling alone). > >What do you think? > >- Cianne > >-----Original Message----- >From: Ken Weingold [mailto:hazmat@hellrot.org] > > >Wonderful. I guess the "terrorists" are being really effective then. >People are "terrorized". > > >-Ken - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Protect your PC from e-mail viruses. Get MSN 8 today. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:59:09 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: RE: apropos of nothing Doh! I really should read on a little before deciding to reply to older posts! >From: Marcy Tanter >Reply-To: Marcy Tanter >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: RE: apropos of nothing >Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:51:57 -0600 > >At 08:48 AM 2/13/2003 -0800, Catherine Simpson wrote: >>Do you think it's generational? For instance, I'm flying from Los >>Angeles to >>London next month, and though I'm perhaps a bit more trepidatious >>about it >>than I would have been prior to 9/11/01, I'm not exactly >>"terrorized". My >>mother, on the other hand, is convinced I'm going to die. All my >>20- and >>30-something friends think it's great, my 40+ friends think I'm >>stupid for >>flying internationally right now (mind you, I'm 38 and perfectly >>capable of >>travelling alone). >> >>What do you think? > > >I think you have a greater chance of being hit by a car when you >leave home to drive to the airport than you do being hit by anything >from a terrorist! > >Marcy - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Send instant messages for free with MSN Messenger. Click here to download it now! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:12:43 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: fashion victim I saw this guy entering the train station yesterday. He stumbled as he walked past the door, which caught my attention. Looking back at him as he passed me I could see why he stumbled. He was wearing these yard-long shoelaces. Not a total of one yard long, but a yard of loose lace dangling from each top eyelet of his shoes. 4 long strings for doors to catch, people to step on, escalators to bite.... Anybody else see laces like this? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:13:55 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: apropos of nothing On Thu, 13 Feb 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > "Among other things, this body would launch secret operations aimed at > 'stimulating reactions' among terrorists and states possessing weapons of > mass destruction - that is, for instance, prodding terrorist cells into > action and exposing themselves to 'quick-response' attacks by U.S. forces." If I can quibble, this doesn't mean that US forces would "stage" a terrorist attack, as you said earlier (or at least as some of us thought you meant). Rather it means that they would try to provoke real terrorists, ones who would attack us anyway, into acting now, so that the US forces could find and attack them. This would, of course, put Americans at risk, but apparently the planners figured the risk of that is less than the risk of letting the terrorists attack in their own good time. Bad idea, perhaps, but still very different from Rumsfeld saying that we should launch our own fake terrorist attacks against ourselves. Of course now there's no need for special ops spooks to provoke terrorist attacks; the war in Iraq will do that quite nicely.... So even if we just stick to the policies that Rumsfeld *really* advocates, he still comes out pretty badly. - --quibblin' Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 00:34:27 -0600 From: steve Subject: Twas Bushlig > Twas Bushlig, > And the slithey Roves > did spin and simbol on the tube, > All cheney were the Patrilogues > and the Corpgrafts outre. http://www.mwo1.com/poems.htm - - Steve __________ The United States is exploring the development of a 'space-bomber' which could destroy targets on the other side of the world within 30 minutes. - Ed Vulliamy, The Observer ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 05:49:13 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Oscar bitching/Drake note James Dignan wrote: > I'm, beginning to think I'm the only Feg who has seen/has good > things to say about "Frida". The visuals were stunning. Most of the performances were fairly good -- Hayak was better than I expected, which is to say she was okay. The lesbian sex scene of her and the actress playing Josephine Baker needed to be longer though. :) ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 06:11:38 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Re-Covered Memories Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > > > Second thing, it's an example of an interesting phenomenon, > > the "cover of a cover". > > Even weirder is when the original artist rearranges the song to > suit the better-known cover version: Dylan's latter-years > version of "All Along the Watchtower," sounding suspiciously > closer to Hendrix's arrangement than Dylan's own original. I think Otis Redding did that with "Respect" also. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:50:07 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: If you aren't frightened yet... On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 02:30 AM, Capuchin wrote: > I'm especially impressed with the cojones > it takes to say that free trade is an absolute, but the United States > can > implement "safeguards (that) help ensure that the benefits of free > trade > do not come at the expense of American workers". Heh. Michael Mandelbaum was on the local NPR station flogging his book "The Ideas That Conquered The World" and he pointed out that we're trying to force third world countries to adopt a form of capitalism that we abandoned in the early part of the last century. - - Steve __________ As for "encouraging people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil," there's only one prominent person trying to intimidate legitimate critics into shutting up about actions they feel to be both wrong and deeply un-American at present. He is, unfortunately, the attorney general of the United States. - Jacob Weisberg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:57:17 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Scary Stuff (was formerly Women's Rights) While I'm not normally a bandwagoner, I've read up a bit on this guy, and he's genuinely frightening. You can read more about this guy here http://www.aauwbridgeport.org/pub/Hager.htm The below is a direct cut-and-paste from your run-of-the-mill mass-blast email. - -f. - ----------------- Women's Rights President Bush has announced his plan to select Dr. W. David Hager to head up the Food and Drug Administration's (FDA) Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee. The committee has not met for more than two years, during which time its charter has lapsed. As a result, the Bush Administration is tasked with filling all eleven positions with new members. This position does not require Congressional approval. The FDA's Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee makes crucial decisions on matters relating to drugs used in the practice of obstetrics, gynecology and related specialties, including hormone therapy, contraception, treatment for infertility, and medical alternatives to surgical procedures for sterilization and pregnancy termination. Dr. Hager's views of reproductive health care are far outside the mainstream of setback for reproductive technology. Dr. Hager is a practicing OB/GYN who describes himself as "pro-life" and refuses to prescribe contraceptives to unmarried women. Hager is the author of "As Jesus Cared for Women: Restoring Women Then and Now." The book blends biblical accounts of Christ healing women with case studies from Hager's practice. In the book Dr. Hager wrote with his wife, entitled "Stress and the Woman's Body," he suggests that women who suffer from premenstrual syndrome should seek help from reading the bible and praying. As an editor and contributing author of "The Reproduction Revolution: A Christian Appraisal of Sexuality, Reproductive Technologies and the Family," Dr. Hager appears to have endorsed the medically inaccurate assertion that the common birth control pill is an abortifacient. Hagar's mission is religiously motivated. He has an ardent interest in revoking approval for mifepristone (formerly known as RU-486) as a safe and early form of medical abortion. Hagar recently assisted the Christian Medical Association in a "citizen's petition" which calls upon the FDA to revoke its approval of mifepristone in the name of women's health. Hager's desire to overturn mifepristone's approval on religious grounds rather than scientific merit would halt the development of mifepristone as a treatment for numerous medical conditions disproportionately affecting women, including breast cancer, uterine cancer, uterine fibroid tumors, psychotic depression, bipolar depression and Cushing's syndrome. Women rely on the FDA to ensure their access to safe and effective drugs or reproductive health care including products that prevent pregnancy. For some women, such as those with certain types of diabetes and those undergoing treatment for cancer pregnancy can be a life-threatening condition. We are concerned that Dr. Hager's strong religious beliefs may color his assessment of technologies that are necessary to protect women's lives or to preserve and promote women's health. Hager's track record of using religious beliefs to guide his medical decision-making makes him a dangerous and inappropriate candidate to serve as chair of this committee. Critical drug public policy and research must not be held hostage by antiabortion politics. Members of this important panel should be appointed on the basis of science and medicine, rather than politics and religion. American women deserve no less. WHAT CAN YOU DO? 1. SEND THIS TO EVERY PERSON WHO IS CONCERNED ABOUT WOMEN'S RIGHTS. 2. OPPOSE THE PLACEMENT OF THIS MAN BY CONTACTING THE WHITE HOUSE AND TELL THEM HE IS TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE ON ANY LEVEL. Please email President Bush at president@whitehouse.gov or call the White House at (202) 456-1111 or (202) 456-1414 and say "I oppose the appointment of Dr. Hager to the FDA Reproductive Health Drugs Advisory Committee. Mixing religion and medicine is unacceptable. Using the FDA to promote apolitical agenda is inappropriate and seriously threatens all women's health. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 09:17:15 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Catching up On Fri, 14 Feb 2003, James Dignan wrote: > nah. That would be: "Parizh ne nyebesni, Amstyerdam ne nyebesni, Kyohl'n ne > nyebesni. Nyebo, eto Tikhii Okeanh - i kogda Robyn Hitchcock > navesashchataet k Novoi Zelandiye?" Very similar. in russian, 'rangi' means ranks, 'korono' means crown, 'kiwa' means swarming and 'te' means those. just the first words i recognized because of their russian counterparts. i think everyone should order as many bio-hazard suits and gas masks as possible. and keep them with you at all times along with 10 gallons of potable water, 7 pounds of dehydrated sheeps bladder, at least 4 pairs of french testicles and lots of butter. plus a few other things. because you know when the gas or spores come you won't get the 23.07 minute missile warning like before and therefore won't have time to run to the car for instance and don the appropriate attire. yeah, we'll be dancing in the street while the rest of 'em run like gooey lesions. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:14:34 +0000 From: "Dave Roberts" Subject: Soft Boys UK tour info? Does anyone have any info./setlists from the recent Soft Boys UK tour. We only ever seem to get info. about the US gigs! thanks Dave - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Message your friends in real time - and for free. Get MSN Messenger today! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:38:18 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: I don't disagree Jeme wrote in response to me: "The Bush administration doesn't tell the media what to push. They run that which pleases their advertisers, owners, and circulation or ratings in that order. It just so happens that those advertisers and owners are the same people that put Bush in office (and they're the same people that tried to put Gore in office, just to be fair)." I don't in the least bit disagree. I rather meant that the administration is counting on this media circus to make people hysterical. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 11:50:53 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: media hysteria Here in seattle the local media is alll in a hullaballoo over the "impending doom" but I have yet to talk to a single person how is the least bit worried about anything actually happening here. Even at work they havent made any silly grand pronouncements about saftey plans or even reminders about disaster preparedness. =20 =20 Bumper stickers and window signs in the parking lot are a bit more heated in both directions of the war debate here at work. And I did see a fisherman get into a screaming match with one of the nightly war protesters in front of Tully's in Ballard. =20 Most of all people seem far more concerned about North Korean ICBMS especially will the Bangor Trident Submarine base and othe big military bases in the area. But that is usually coupled with a sense of returning cold war fears rather than it being some new immediate tangible threat. =20 Far more bitching about the Oscars and Rick Neuheisel than anything else. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:58:16 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: media hysteria Never mind that; it's just talk. Don't you folks care about yard- long shoelaces? A freakin' yard long, I'm not kidding you! This guy's gonna die of shoelace entanglement. You Yanks are so self-absorbed. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:11:49 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: media hysteria On Friday, February 14, 2003, at 05:58 PM, rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > Never mind that; it's just talk. Don't you folks care about yard- > long shoelaces? A freakin' yard long, I'm not kidding you! This > guy's gonna die of shoelace entanglement. It's just natural selection. - - Steve __________ Misadvised by a frustrated and panic-stricken attorney general, a president of the United States has just assumed what amounts to dictatorial power to jail or execute aliens. - William Safire ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:13:14 -0600 From: steve Subject: reap Dolly The Sheep - - Steve __________ Does pop music really change anything other than the width of a teenager's trousers? Is there really no Santa Claus on the evening stage? Does the shed hold only a push bike, or is there a lawn mower in there too? Well, I've done the research, talked to the culprit's parents and come to my own conclusions. The answer is this: God's atoms have been scattered and re-assembled in the form of a fluffy bunny. - Bill Nelson ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:48:43 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: reap >From: steve >Subject: reap >Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:13:14 -0600 > >Dolly The Sheep > >- Steve Bah. Let it snow, Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 03:12:41 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: time to namedrop again... Just back from the big protest march - upwards of 2500 in Dunedin, a city of 120k. Not too bad (biggest protest I've been on since the anti Springbok tour marches of '81). While in town I ran into David Kilgour (briefly, and not for long enough to really say anything to) and Martin Phillipps. The latter is looking very healthy, I'm glad to say, and is hard at work on music. There should be an EP or mini album release in late April, and hopefully a full Chills album before the end of the year, probably with at least a domestic tour (possibly international? Too early to say for sure). Sounds like a lot of the release/label hassles have been smoothed over, but I didn't ask directly. Both the EP and album will have titles beginning in SB, by the sound of it (seems that started by accident with Submarine Bells and Soft Bomb, but when someone pointed it out to him he decided to continue the theme). James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 09:58:27 +0000 From: "Charlotte Tupman" Subject: Re: Soft Boys UK tour info? The following were posted a few weeks ago: The Fleece and Firkin, Bristol 26th January - --------------------------------- I Love Lucy Tonight Kingdom Of Love Queen Of Eyes My Mind Is Connected To Your Dreams Insanely Jealous Airscape Chapter 24 The Man With The Lightbulb Head Mr. Kennedy Sudden Town (I Want To Be An) Anglepoise Lamp Underwater Moonlight - ------Encore-------- Narcissus He's A Reptile I Wanna Destroy You The Zodiac, Oxford 27th January - ---------------------- Hear My Brane Tonight Kingdom Of Love Queen Of Eyes My Mind Is Connected To Your Dreams Insanely Jealous He's A Reptile When I Was A Kid The Man With The Lightbulb Head Mr. Kennedy Sudden Town (I Want To Be An) Anglepoise Lamp Underwater Moonlight - ------Encore 1-------- Om Chapter 24 I Wanna Destroy You - ------Encore 2-------- If You Know Time Strings And this setlist (plus annotation) was posted about the Cambridge show: I Love Lucy I Got The Hots - RH said it was written about a Cambridge guy who they called Hots, so of it wasn't for him there wouldn't have been the song.... Bells Of Rhymney - I was personally pleased they played this, and it was a good rendition including those harmonies Kingdom Of Love Queen Of Eyes My Mind Is Connected To Your Deams Insanely Jealous Vegetable Man - RH did a shout for Syd, asking if he was still around. Someone said they'd seen him in the park recently, but he wasn't around tonight The Man With The Lightbulb Head - RH said about this song "Written by me in a Syd Barret stylee", and at the end he quipped "if it wasn't for the Soft Boys there would be no Syd Barret" to laughter from the audience. You know, I'd not linked this song to being Barret-esque. I'd have said something like Hots or Face Of Death would be more so. Mr.Kennedy - the main reason Nige, and my mate Chris, came along was the mp3 they got to hear of this song. And to these ears it sounded note perfect. This was the first of the new songs I got to hear at the 2001 show too. Sudden Town - not owning NDL yet I didn't know this one, but I like it a lot. RH said it was written about how places can change, and likened it to the area of Cambridge we were in, where the whole area behind the pub had been flattened to build a new mall (The Grafton Centre), and the pub we were in had previously been called something different too. Anglepoise Lamp - RH mentioned this song was now known as "Seven Winged Bat" but that we all might have known it as something else. He did sing Anglepoise right at the end. Would the squiggle on the setlist next to Anglepoise be his depiiction of this bat ? Underwater Moonlight - RH had made some comments during the show about how we were living again in trying time, and this song was the one that allowed him to vent his feelings a little more directly. You know how he uses the end of the song to go off on a vocal meander, well this was (as close as I can remember) the content of those meanders tonight:- "George Walker Bush, you have been summoned to this court to face charges of crimes against the environment. How do you plead ? George Walker Bush, you have been summoned to this court to face charges of crimes against the economy. How do you plead ? George Walker Bush, you have been summoned to this court to face charges of crimes against humanity. George Walker Bush. You're a fucking wanker !!" [as far as I can remember, this was substituted for 'fucking idiot' at the Bristol show - CT] and with that they exited stage left. There was also reference during the set about another part of Cambridge called Mitchum's Corner, and how Alistair Sims used to sit there alone with a torch under his chin scaring himself. But I can't remember which song. He also asked if anyone hadn't heard of this place. I didn't own up, but my bro-in-law who was also there knew of the place. Now this is where somebody may be able to correct me. The bottom of the setlist contains a list of songs from which to choose from for the encore. They did six in total (including one not on the list), but I'm struggling to remember the correct order, so here's my guess.... Om - Didn't know this one either, but RH introduced it as a "tantric yogic meditation" or something like that, performed in the style of Madness. Sure it enough it had a type of ska feel to it. Hear My Brane - RH mentioned this song came from their first EP. He's A Reptile Pulse Of My Heart Rock'N'Roll Toilet Face Of Death - RH mentioned it was written about one of the old characters of Cambridge who used to roam the streets. Not Harold, but The Face as he was known. All the best, Charlotte >From: "Dave Roberts" >Reply-To: "Dave Roberts" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Soft Boys UK tour info? >Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 18:14:34 +0000 > >Does anyone have any info./setlists from the recent Soft Boys UK tour. We >only ever seem to get info. about the US gigs! >thanks > >Dave > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Message your friends in real time - and for free. Get MSN Messenger >today! _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #54 *******************************