From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #51 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, February 13 2003 Volume 12 : Number 051 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Disconnection of Slade ["matt sewell" ] Re: Catching up [gSs ] Re: Daisies go on and on ["Brian Hoare" ] to the future Kay ["ross taylor" ] Re: Disconnection of Slade [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Catching up [gSs ] Re: Mandatory Oscar Bitching ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Feedback Hotel [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] Re: Mandatory Oscar Bitching [bayard ] Re: Formerly Velvets, Formerly Special [Dolph Chaney ] Scribs and Scrubs ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Disconnection of Slade ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Disconnection of Slade [Tom Clark ] No Tia Pet for You, Mr. Poindexter ["FS Thomas" ] Re: No Tia Pet for You, Mr. Poindexter ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Re: Oscar bitching/Drake note [Miles Goosens ] Re: Mandatory Oscar Bitching [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Flash! [steve ] Re: Philly Fegs? [Jon Fetter ] apropos of nothing [Marcy Tanter ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:05:01 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Disconnection of Slade (ditto) Can I have crisps with mine? And a cup of Tizer? Matt "stuck to the keyboard with Monster Truck Glue" Sewell >From: "Stewart C. Russell" > Stewart > >ps (in a thick W Mids accent): cuppasoup! - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Chat with friends online - download MSN Messenger today. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:10:31 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Catching up On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, James Dignan wrote: > It'd be interesting to see how similar this is to how it would look in > Hawaiian (probably very similar). i thought it was Russian at first as it has some similarities. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 15:20:04 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: Daisies go on and on >From: "Rex.Broome" >So I've just heard, for the first time, this song by the Colourfield called >"Pushin' Up the Daisies", and, ummm, two things: > >1) Hey, it's a cover of Kim Fowley's "The Trip" with different lyrics-- >what >gives with that? No idea but I really like the guitar playing on it. The contrast between the tight ponticello riffing and the way it opens up for the big chords is quite effective. Haven't played it for a while but thats how I remember it. They did a fair few covers of varying quality, I like their Hammond Song, bear their Windmills of your mind and detest their She. As for recylcing music with new lyrics they reuse a lot of music from the track Colourfield on Wild Flame. 2) Not the same rhythm but the Damned used a fair amount of onandonandonandon in Plan 9 on MGE. Brian, np Varttina : Live in Helsinki _________________________________________________________________ Stay in touch with absent friends - get MSN Messenger http://messenger.msn.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:59:57 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: to the future Kay Kay-- If this is the future & you're scrolling thru old emails or digests, hope everything went well. All best regards, Ross Taylor "show me that I'm everywhere and get me home for tea" -- G. Harrison Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:14:07 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Disconnection of Slade > >From: "Stewart C. Russell" (in a thick W Mids accent): > cuppasoup! On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Matt "stuck to the keyboard with Monster Truck Glue" Sewell wrote: > (ditto) Can I have crisps with mine? And a cup of Tizer? Drink it straight out of the bottle, boy! And don't fry those Kraft cheese slices to a frazzle! - - MRG PS Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:26:20 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Catching up On Wed, 13 Feb 2002, James Dignan wrote: > >amatatama and korono. > > > >what do these words mean? > > Amsterdam and Cologne/Koln - both, ISTR, in Sebastian's message. neither amatatama nor korono are maori words or at least they don't appear in the maori/english translation dictionary. from where do these words come? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 08:41:49 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Mandatory Oscar Bitching At 12:03 AM 2/12/2003 -0500, Steve Talkowski wrote: >I feel that Spirited Away should be excluded because it's a foreign film. I don't really see how that would be fair. Foreign films aren't excluded from any of the other categories; it's just a little rare that get any nominations, beyond the "best foreign film" one. There is no requirement in the Oscar rules that a film be American-made to win an award, only that it be shown at a movie theater in Los Angeles during the given year (although I believe the "foreign film" category is excluded from this). - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:54:47 +0000 (GMT) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Feedback Hotel What with everyone enthusing about John Cale I'm surprised no-one's mentioned that The Soft Boys 'borrowed' his excellent arrangement of Heartbreak Hotel. Rex rote >post-Velvets but counting collaborations, I have 15 >Reed albums I've got 18 - naah-naah-na-naaah-naaaah! I concur with the 'there's something at least half decent on every one of them' camp. But would like to promote Ecstasy into the 'just below the very best' echelon. Stewart. Saw something in the Guardian yesterday about underwater tide turbines to provide electricity. Sounded interesting. Two recent Guardian articles for the Americans. One portrayed Bill Gates and other multimillionaires campaigning against Bush's proposed abolition of inheritance tax!!! The other had a headline asking Whatever Happened To The American Left...' (ducks) Apparently Robyn's b'day do is very nearly sold out, so get down there and grab yer tix. Newbie Crowbar Jim ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 09:23:16 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: Re: Mandatory Oscar Bitching On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Steve Talkowski wrote: > Us animators in the industry were at odds whether Waking Life should've > been included or not. Essentially, it was computer enhanced > proprietary rotoscoping, albeit extremely well done. I personally felt > it didn't deserve to be included on that basis alone. I have a question about _waking life_. In it, one of the characters claims that Philip K. Dick wrote a short story that mirrors the Book of Acts in the Bible, though Dick never read the book of Acts. Any truth to this? or is it made up like samuel jackson's bible passage in _pulp fiction_? (and if true, what part of Acts is mirrored in the story?) >The lasdt movie of either type to win "Best picture" was... "Around the >world in 80 days", in 1956 (1958?). The last one to win "Best director" >was....? It's never happened. Not Star Wars, not Close Encounters, not >Planet of the Apes, not even Wizard of Oz. not even _2001: a space odyssey_. "Oliver!" won for both BP and BD that year. 2001 got - you guessed it! visual effects. =b (I liked Ice Age, Steve. good show!) It is hard for you to kick against the pricks. - Acts 9:5 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:57:04 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: Formerly Velvets, Formerly Special Godders did say: >* It wasn't until I read the Bockris bio that I realised quite how >unpleasant Lou is. I think the account of how he drove Cale out of the >reformed Velvets has contributed to putting me off listening to his >recent stuff. I felt similarly after watching the ROCK AND ROLL HEART video (which was originally a PBS American Masters series entry) and the John Cale hour-long special that was re-broadcast last month on the Ovation Network (think it was originally BBC). This also seems reinforced by all those Lester Bangs articles about their love/hate thing. Here's a rare case where I'd say a box set actually sums up a career fairly well -- the 3-CD BETWEEN THOUGHT & EXPRESSION omits most of the truly egregious pre-NEW YORK material but leaves in enough of the good stuff to satisfy most Lou cravings. I still like BERLIN and STREET HASSLE best start- to-finish. dolph np (how fitting): "Tell Me About Your Drugs" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 10:09:21 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Scribs and Scrubs Tom: >>The choice and placement of music is just another thing that make "Scrubs" >>so great. Yeah, never thought I'd hear Sebadoh (or John Cale) on a sitcom. Wouldn't surprise me to hear Robyn on there some day. ____ James: >>Hallelujah has quickly become a standard. That's another one I have loads >>of copies of - Cohen's original, plus Jeff Buckley (majestic), two Cale >>versions (divine), Bono's (um...), and at least one other I can't quite >>recall at present. Bono! Him and Buckley and Wainwright all have those quavery, decidedly un-Cohen like voices-- how did that become the default reading of the tune, and why hasn't Thom Yorke jumped on board? That all begins to explain why I like Cale's so much. On Wrong Way Up: >>A friend of mine said of this album "you can tell who wrote what - Eno's >>songs are all 'I was just enjoying myself as the world went swirling past' >>and Cale's are all 'Take this coded message to the man from Cairo - he'll >>give you your instructions.'" Heh. True indeed. It's not surprising that Cale wrote a song called "Graham Greene". In fact it's kind of surprising that he hasn't written three or four of them. ________ >>* Two things: At the gig I saw, Lou played all his guitar parts absolutely >>spot on, and very exciting it was too Agreed, the guitar interplay is really great and revelatory of some of what's really happening on some of their murkier original recordings. "Black Angel's Death Song" is pretty cool. ____ So I just noticed that the Hoodoo Gurus actually have a song called "Gene Hackman". Weird. Anyone heard this? _____ Moe Tucker: Oddly, I don't have any of her solo records, probably because they mostly seem to be odds-and-sods compilations or lo-fi live shows when I see them. What's a good "proper" solo Moe record? I seem to recall one coming out on Shimmy Disc in the late '80's with many a Velvety guest... was I high? - -Rex "when the rain comes, everone in LA forgets how to drive" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:42:51 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Disconnection of Slade Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Drink it straight out of the bottle, boy! And > don't fry those Kraft cheese > slices to a frazzle! Ooh, can I have that Fray Bentos tin when you're done with it? [for non-uk readers, we haven't gone odder than usual. Vic Reeves and Bob Mortimer, popular light entertainers*, had a sketch series where they pretended they were Slade living in some group house, living off 1970s junk food.] ISTR Noddy Holder being interviewed, and saying that he sometimes notices people watching him in the supermarket to see if he does actually buy Cuppasoup. He slips a pack into his trolley just to keep them amused. Stewart Joe/Jim: yes, underwater current turbines pop up every now and again. Dunno if anyone's ever built anything beyond demo scale. *: I saw them play to a full house of 60 watts. They cracked up! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:30:01 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Disconnection of Slade on 2/12/03 10:42 AM, Stewart C. Russell at scruss@sympatico.ca wrote: > Michael R Godwin wrote: >> >> Drink it straight out of the bottle, boy! And >> don't fry those Kraft cheese >> slices to a frazzle! > > Ooh, can I have that Fray Bentos tin when you're done with it? > While god knows I've enjoyed this banter to no end, I'm still wondering what Noddy Holder washing his hands in a brook has to do with the theme of the song. - -tc p.s. They just delivered a palette-load of Hostess Fruit Pies and Chex Mix! Who says the bubble has burst??? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:04:49 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: No Tia Pet for You, Mr. Poindexter It looks as though they may scrap implantation of the Total Information Awareness program. At least for use against "Americans": (From http://www.startribune.com/stories/587/3647992.html) House, Senate agree to prohibit citizens' e-mail surveillance Adam Clymer New York Times Published Feb. 12, 2003 WASHINGTON, D.C. -- House and Senate negotiators have agreed that a Pentagon project intended to detect terrorists by monitoring e-mail and commercial databases for health, financial and travel information cannot be used against Americans. The conferees also agreed to restrict further research on the program without extensive consultation with Congress. House leaders agreed with Senate fears about the threat to personal privacy posed by the Pentagon program, known as Total Information Awareness (TIA). So they accepted a Senate provision in the omnibus spending bill passed last month, said Rep. Jerry Lewis, R-Calif., who heads the defense appropriations subcommittee. Rep. John Murtha, D-Pa., senior Democrat on the subcommittee, said of the program, "Jerry's against it, and I'm against it, so we kept the Senate amendment." Of the Pentagon, he said, "They've got some crazy people over there." The only obstacles to the provision becoming law would be the failure of the conferees to reach agreement on the overall spending bill in which it is included, or a successful veto of the bill by President Bush. Lt. Cmdr. Donald Sewell, a Pentagon spokesman, defended the program, saying, "The Department of Defense still feels that it's a tool that can be used to alert us to terrorist acts before they occur." He added, "It's not a program that snoops into American citizens' privacy." One important factor in the breadth of the opposition is the fact that the project is headed by retired Adm. John Poindexter. Several members of Congress have said he is an unwelcome symbol because he was convicted of lying to Congress when he was President Ronald Reagan's national security adviser. That his conviction was reversed on the grounds that he had been given immunity for the testimony in which he lied did not mitigate congressional opinion, they said. The conferees' decision spells almost complete failure for a last-minute Pentagon effort, begun Friday, to protect TIA by establishing advisory committees to oversee it. TIA would enable a team of intelligence analysts to gather and view information from databases, pursue links between individuals and groups, respond to automatic alerts, and share information, all from their individual computers. It could link such different electronic sources as video feeds from airport surveillance cameras, credit card transactions, airline reservations and records of telephone calls. The data would be filtered through software that would constantly seek suspicious patterns. The program could be employed in support of lawful military operations outside the United States and lawful foreign intelligence operations conducted against non-U.S. citizens. The action was praised by Democrats and Republicans and by outside groups on both the political right and left. F S Thomas ferris@ochremedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:14:54 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: No Tia Pet for You, Mr. Poindexter How odd. I was just checking out the Poindexter Descendants Association webpage when this message arrived... - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:28:37 -0000 From: Subject: Oscar bitching/Drake note What's the worst cover ever recorded? Don't answer that: I'll tell you. It's Elton John's execrable version of Nick Drake's "Saturday Sun." I found it on one of the many fine peer-peer file sharing services yesterday. It's not so much his performance that's wrong: it's Elton being Ray Charles like how Elton can be Ray. He quite rightly twigged that it's essentially gospel, but he way he declaims the lyrics, he's obviously got no idea about what he's singing...then again, I don't know many people who could do any of ND's songs all that well...Lucinda Williams's version of "Which Will" is pretty good though. Ah good...Oscar season...sorry, I'm in an emphatic, belligerent mood today. _The Hours_: Where do I start? Nicole Kidman's truly great; the Richmond sequences are great; Stephen Dillane is brilliant in the thankless role of Leonard Woolf; Moore is great; the set design, title sequences, and the first five minutes of the film are cool. However, the rest of the film is the kind of thing the term "photographed stage play" was intended to describe. The contemporary New York sequences are wretchedly paced, scripted, shot, edited, blocked, lit, directed, scored, and acted, except for Allison Janney, probably because she's given very little to do. I mean, these are basic technical things one should get right. I don't think I've ever seen so much suckage given the talent involved...you take terrific people (Eileen Atkins, Jeff Daniels), give them stupid lines, and put in them in for only a minute or two. Pure sadism. The 50s story line isn't much better, and thank God Julianne Moore's on screen for most of it. It doesn't help that David Hare had a pile of pretentious, overwritten crap from which to work, but still, he, of all people, should've known better. No particular feelings about anything else other than to say I totally agree _Y Tu Mama Tambien_ got shafted: it was the best movie, period, of last year. Although I understand there was some confusion about timing & eligibility, right? And that's why no best foreign picture nomination for them? marshall np Arvo Part, _Tabula Rasa_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:52:59 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Oscar bitching/Drake note At 10:28 PM 2/12/2003 +0000, mojo@rice.edu wrote: > No particular feelings about anything else other than to say I totally >agree _Y Tu Mama Tambien_ got shafted: it was the best movie, period, of last >year. Although I understand there was some confusion about timing >& eligibility, right? And that's why no best foreign picture nomination for >them? I haven't seen it (though the DVD sits in my living room at the ready), but if it got shafted, it was shafted last year, not this year -- the country of the film's origin has to submit the picture, and Mexico didn't, and all that happened around this time last year. I guess it's a timing issue that makes YO MAMA, RUSS TAMBLYN! (that's what I think every time I see the title) also eligible *this* year for other categories, probably something to do with a US release date. Similarly, even though Pedro Amaldovar is up for Best Director and Original Screenplay this year, TALK TO HER wasn't submitted by Spain, so no Best Foreign Language Film for him. I'm hoping Marty gets his Oscar, and while I don't think it's a match for RAGING BULL, GOODFELLAS, TAXI DRIVER, MEAN STREETS, et al, GANGS OF NEW YORK exceeded our low expectations (tell me those previews don't look like a collision between LES MISERABLES and RIVERDANCE on the set of GRAFFITI BRIDGE, with Daniel Day-Lewis as Snidely Whiplash), and we thoroughly enjoyed it. Drew In Absentia may have a fit to hear me say this, but Day-Lewis richly deserves one of them statues too. Heck, Leo wasn't even embarrassing, for the first time since... THE BASKETBALL DIARIES? Future generations will, however, probably still not know that he could once act. My biggest "overlooked" gripe is that there's no nomination for Kieran Culkin, who was a marvel in IGBY GOES DOWN. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:06:41 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Catching up >> Amsterdam and Cologne/Koln - both, ISTR, in Sebastian's message. >> >> My incredibly dodgy Korero Maori reads "France is not Heaven, Amsterdam is >> not Heaven, Koln is not Heaven. Heaven is the Pacific Ocean - but when is >> Robyn Hitchcock going to visit to New Zealand?". >> >> It'd be interesting to see how similar this is to how it would look in >> Hawaiian (probably very similar). > >That's very cool! I didn't know it worked like that, i.e. approximating the >sounds. a lot of NZ places and places overseas traditionally known to the Maori have their own names - the rest are mainly done with closest approximation in the 15 letter Maori alphabet. So you get London/Ranana; New York/Niu Iaka; Seattle/Heatara; Washington/Wahitaone. The USA becomes Te Hononga o Amerika. When you think about it, this is what happens to some extent with most 'foreign place names'. That's why English speakers refer to Cologne rather than Koln, and Warsaw rather than Warszawa, why the French talk of Londres instead of London, and why the Russians talk about Veliko Britanya rather than Great Britain. The Maori placename I was impressed with but didn't know until I looked it up was "Te moana nui a kiwa", i.e. the Pacific Ocean, which translates literally as "The big dark sea"! >James, when you recovered your computer you went a year in the past! All >your mails have 2002 as the year ... ;-) oops - thanks for that. I'm back to the usual 12 hours ahead now ;) James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:04:22 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Philly Fegs? Wow, Kay is gone? Am I the only Philly region(Delaware Valley)Feg? Certain to hear the echo of this email, Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 19:45:26 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Mandatory Oscar Bitching Quoting bayard : > I have a question about _waking life_. In it, one of the characters > claims that Philip K. Dick wrote a short story that mirrors the Book of > Acts in the Bible, though Dick never read the book of Acts. Any truth > to > this? or is it made up like samuel jackson's bible passage in _pulp > fiction_? (and if true, what part of Acts is mirrored in the story?) I can't actually answer your question - but given Dick's broad reading and particular range of interest, I would find it almost unbelievable if he hadn't read Acts: toward the end of his life, he was (of a very Phildickian variety) a Christian. So even if the claim about the short story is true, it would have to be something more like "he hadn't read the book of Acts yet, or for quite a while, or..." - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" np: some obscure Marmoset mp3 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 20:19:37 -0600 From: steve Subject: Flash! http://www.whitehouseanimationinc.com/kunstbar.htm - - Steve __________ Embarrassing but true: Just one month ago the James A. Baker III Institute presented Alan Greenspan with its Enron Prize. I'm not suggesting any impropriety; it was just another indication of how deeply the failed energy company was enmeshed with our ruling elite. - Paul Krugman, 12/14/01 ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 21:53:24 -0500 From: Jon Fetter Subject: Re: Philly Fegs? Surely Ethyl Ketone is still living in that tessaract of alleys in central Philly. And if you want to hear an email echo, come out to central PA. Jon >Wow, Kay is gone? Am I the only Philly region(Delaware Valley)Feg? > > Certain to hear the echo of this email, > > Max > > >_________________________________________________________________ >The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* >http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 10:34:15 -0600 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: apropos of nothing Are you guys around the continents feeling the panic in the air that Shrub is causing? People are going nuts. On the Dallas news last night, they showed people wrapping their houses in plastic and stocking up on water. It's like being in the twilight zone! Marcy http://www.people.fas.harvard.edu/~pyang/base/allyourbase.swf ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #51 *******************************