From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #50 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 12 2003 Volume 12 : Number 050 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Some Pazz & Jop highlights ;) [Eb ] reap [Eb ] Best of RH Redux ["Mike Wells" ] Disconnection of Slade [Tom Clark ] Re: Disconnection of Slade [brian@lazerlove5.com] Beach Bullies [brian@lazerlove5.com] RE: mo' Moe, Cale ["da9ve stovall" ] Shinyshinyshinyshiny bootsofleathah, whoa whoa yeah yeah ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: mo' Moe, Cale [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Mandatory Oscar Bitching [Steve Talkowski ] RE: mo' Moe, Cale [Eb ] Re: Catching up [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Mandatory Oscar Bitching/Cale [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Catching up [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Formerly Velvets, Formerly Special [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Disconnection of Slade ["Stewart C. Russell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:30:34 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Some Pazz & Jop highlights ;) 2. Beck/Sea Change 3. The Flaming Lips/Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots [way too high] 5. Sleater-Kinney/One Beat 11. Queens of the Stone Age/Songs for the Deaf 13. Elvis Costello/When I Was Cruel [surprised this album did so well] 15. Interpol/Turn on the Bright Lights [I would've predicted top 10] 20. Sonic Youth/Murray Street 25. Sigur Ros/() [way too high] 28. Super Furry Animals/Rings Around the World 46. Tom Waits/Alice 59. Paul Westerberg/Stereo + Mono 61. Badly Drawn Boy/About a Boy 66. Beth Orton/Daybreaker 69. Vines/Highly Evolved 72. Jurassic 5/Power in Numbers [too low] 74. Tom Waits/Blood Money 83. Wire/Read & Burn 01 86. Bob Dylan/Bootleg Series Volume 5 90. Peter Gabriel/Up 91. Foo Fighters/One by One 91. Lambchop/Is a Woman 99. Eels/Souljacker 106. Moby/18 [how the mighty hath fallen] 107. Hot Hot Heat/Make Up the Breakdown 108. Bryan Ferry/Frantic [Ferry wins the glam battle over Bowie by just one notch!] 109. Badly Drawn Boy/Have You Fed the Fish? 109. David Bowie/Heathen 112. Tori Amos/Scarlet's Walk 119. Weezer/Maladroit - ------>122. Soft Boys/Nextdoorland<------- 143. Marianne Faithfull/Kissin Time 147. Cornelius/Point [hmpf] 152. Pere Ubu/Arkansas 160. Mudhoney/Since We've Become Translucent [way too high...this sucked, man] 164. Guided by Voices/Universal Truths & Cycles 169. The Breeders/Title TK [shudder] 203. Luna/Romantica 294. Neil Finn/One All 329. Neil Young/Are You Passionate? 337. The Reindeer Section/Son of Evil Reindeer 362. Paul Westerberg/Stereo [incongruity here...these points should be added to #59] 387. Kristian Hoffman/& [not bad for such a little-label release!] 387. Mull Historical Society/Loss 387. Robin Holcomb/The Big Time 387. Ed Harcourt/Here Be Monsters [sigh, way way too low...and there's an ERROR in its scoring too, because "Be Here Monsters" is listed at #919...add the points together, and this album hops up to #290] 400. Frank Black/Devil's Workshop 415. Supergrass/Life on Other Planets 415. Residents/Demons Dance Alone 456. Sing-Sing/The Joy of Sing-Sing 456. Frank Black/Black Letter Days 496. Billy Bragg/England, Half English 496. Hot Hot Heat/Knock Knock Knock CD5 496. Wire/Read & Burn 02 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 14:31:34 -0800 From: Eb Subject: reap Sen. Kerrey's chances of being elected president. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 16:47:45 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Best of RH Redux On the heels of the thread for 'best of' RH I got to thinking about what my absolute favorites were, including a couple of covers - not just what I would recommend to someone for a first-blush disc (though there is of course some overlap). Of the things I've thought over recently, this was by far the most enjoyable :) And it seems strange, but I've made many, many RH samplers for friends...but I dunno if I've ever sat down and made one for myself...which is about to change... "Cynthia Mask" "One Long Pair of Eyes" "Swirling" "No, I Don't Remember Guildford" "Unsettled" "Luminous Rose" "Driving Aloud (Radio Storm)" "I'm Only You" "Winchester" "Flesh Number One (Beatle Dennis)" "Sally Was a Legend" "I Am Not Me" "Trams of Old London" "Underwater Moonlight" "Clean Steve" "He's A Reptile" "All that Money Wants" (P. Furs) "Vegetable Man" (Barrett) w/ the SB's "Wild Mountain Thyme" (trad.) Michael "I don't ever have to hear 'The Face of Death' again, thanks" Wells Ps. redux '03 - James, how do you say "Peter Jackson got shafted at the Oscars AGAIN" in Maori? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:21:21 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Disconnection of Slade Recently someone mentioned Slade and how the reference fits into Disconnection of The Ruling Class. I'm not familiar with their work or image, so could I get an explanation of how they fit into the whole picture? And does Star of Hairs have anything to do with the Miro painting "And Fix the Hairs of the Star"? - -t "Actual RH Content" c ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:28:12 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: Re: Disconnection of Slade Quoting Tom Clark : > Recently someone mentioned Slade and how the reference fits into > Disconnection of The Ruling Class. I'm not familiar with their work > or > image, so could I get an explanation of how they fit into the whole > picture? Good question. I know little about Slade, but check out their picture at www.allmusic.com > And does Star of Hairs have anything to do with the Miro painting "And > Fix > the Hairs of the Star"? Ah, what a beautious song. Do pipe up if anyone knows more on this! Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:29:52 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: Beach Bullies Does anyone own the Beach Bullies LP "We Rule The World"? (1980 musclebound) Please contact me off list. Thanks! Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: 11 Feb 2003 15:43:55 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: RE: mo' Moe, Cale >From: "ross taylor" >Subject: Lou's lows > ... >Back to Cale, I think he's also a terrific interpreter of other people--I assume there's some >connection between his killer version of "Allelulia" on "I'm Your Fan" & the weaker Wainwright >version that made it to Shrek. And I think Wrong Way Up, with Eno, is pretty fun for a >collaborative toss-off. Am I remembering correctly that the Cale vesion was the one played in the movie, but the Wainright one that actually appeared on the soundtrack? *LOVE* the Cale version. Absolutely gorgeous. I saw Cale in late '96 here in Indy. Good show, but he was *pissed* at some anonymous sound-guy who couldn't get rid of some noise/buzz/feedback/something in the stage monitors. Didn't ruin the show by any means, but I sure felt intimidated out of bothering him for an autograph or anything afterwards, as he'd seemed to be having such a tortuous time during the show. Red House Painters opened - and I hated them. Dunno if I'd still react like that, but they seemed pointless and laborious at the time. >Don't know Moe. I should, fer sho'. One of my fonder memories of small night-club shows is of seeing Moe Tucker on her tour with Half Japanese. Have I told this story here before? I dunno. It was in '89 ('cos I was just 21) at Second Story in Bloomington, IN. Several friends and I (all dj's at our college radio station) trekked to B'ton to see Moe and 1/2 Jap, and they kicked butt. Really strong show. We hung around afterwards and talked to Moe, and helped her load out. Pretty small drum kit, so not a difficult task. She was just as down-to-earth and genial a person as you'd ever want to meet - very happily answered our ooh-ing and aahh-ing questions about the sixties, told us that she wasn't going on the whole tour with 1/2 Jap 'cos she had to get back home (to Georgia, I think, at the time) to see her son's first appearance in a school play. (Awwww,...) One of our fanboy-ish questions was along the lines of "do you regret anything about your time in the VU/the sixties/etc." Her reply was simply that she'd wished they'd had Andy take more pictures. We processed this info and grinned even more goofily when we collectively realized that the default last name behind "Andy" was of course "Warhol." Here's to ya, Moe - yer a class act. d9 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:51:54 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Shinyshinyshinyshiny bootsofleathah, whoa whoa yeah yeah Jeffrey: >>Lou never had that much of a voice (though it was always charming >>in it's own way), but at least on that recording his voice is so >>bad it's not even mono-dimentional. Granted everyone loses some >>of their voice over the years (except Elvis Costello and David >>Bowie for some reason), but Lou's was truly ravaged beyond >>repair. And beyond that, he deliberately phrases everything totally wrong, even songs he's kept in his repertoire for years. The deliveries of "Venus in Furs" and "Some Kind of Love" are just inexcusable and incomprehensible. "Thepozbiliteez...............ahendlesbaby"... eh? _____ Kay on Kave on Kale: >>Is it possible Caves making an understated funny? Maybe... but his answer was more involved than what I quoted; he went on to make a case for humor in his own work. But, um, never mind, you're not going to see this. Nuts. _______ Ross T. on Nico/Icon: >>Closes w/ Cale performing a great version of her "The Borderline," just him & >>piano. That'd be "Frozen Warnings", and damn, is that performance of Cale's beautiful. I was gonna say it brought me to tears, but that's be two "Cale doing Nico makes me cry" admissions in as many days, and I can't have that, can I? >> assume there's some connection between his killer version of "Allelulia" on "I'm >>Your Fan" & the weaker Wainwright version that made it to Shrek. The West Wing used the ubiquitous Jeff Buckley version last year, but Scrubs, bless its heart, was cool enough (or cheap enough) to use Cale's. What's up with the inescapability of that song all of the sudden? >>wasn't it cale's version in the _shrek_ flick? Nope. It probably sounds more like Buckley, but it was indeed the similarly more-famous-than-his-dad and similarly-quavery-voiced Dreamwork Records Recording Artist Rufus Wainwright. Wonder how he got the gig. __________ Just did the math... post-Velvets but counting collaborations, I have 15 Reed albums, which is a lot. But I have 20 Cale albums, which is more. If I parsed the Velvets records and sorted them out as Caleful and Caleless, things would probably equalize. But start piling on the albums *produced* by Cale, and the scales start to tip not only in quantity but quality as well. Patti Smith, Modern Lovers, Stooges, Nico, Nico and more Nico... wow. _____ Eb: >>Signs...lame payoff. Just saw that myself. Man, did a lot of stuff not happen in that film. But what really bugged me the whole time was, what the hell denomination was Mel Gibson supposed to be? They called him "Father" and he wore a priest's collar, but he was married with kids. So, Episcopalian? But he seemed to be the whole town's spiritual leader... what rural town in Pennsylvania is dominated by Episcopalians? It just seemed weird and wrong and someone should've addressed it with Shamyalan (sp. is for sissies) early on in the production. I didn't see many movies this year, so my Oscar prejudices are completely based on who I like in general. No clear favorites, and even less idea of who WUZ ROBBED than usual. Oh well. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 15:58:50 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Shinyshinyshinyshiny bootsofleathah, whoa whoa yeah yeah on 2/11/03 3:51 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: >>> assume there's some connection between his killer version of "Allelulia" > on "I'm >>Your Fan" & the weaker Wainwright version that made it to Shrek. > > The West Wing used the ubiquitous Jeff Buckley version last year, but > Scrubs, bless its heart, was cool enough (or cheap enough) to use Cale's. > What's up with the inescapability of that song all of the sudden? The choice and placement of music is just another thing that make "Scrubs" so great. Anybody see the episode where Colin Hay appeared intermittently strumming an acoustic and singing "Overkill"? Good stuff. RE: Nico. I never knew a whole lot about her, but after seeing "Nico, Icon" I thought she was complete twat. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 20:00:46 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Mandatory Oscar Bitching The Great Quail wrote: > http://www.oscars.com/nominees/nomineelist.html I didn't see enough movies to have that much of an opinion, but given that it was supposedly a play first (that Rita Wilson saw in LA and decided she had to produce it as a film with her husband whatshisface and then blah blah blah), shouldn't My Big Fat Greek Wedding be an _ADAPTED_ screenplay rather than original? After all, Slingblade had to be considered adapted because Billy Bob had done a short film with the same character previously. Oh, and U2 is nominated for their absolute worst song ever. And I'm happy that _Y Tu Mama Tambien_ got the one nomination, even though I think it probably deserved more. But the Oscar people are never going to give that much to a movie about Mexican boys getting laid and jerking off. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 22:30:16 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: RE: mo' Moe, Cale Quoting da9ve stovall : > I saw Cale in late '96 here in Indy. Good show, but he was *pissed* > at some anonymous sound-guy who couldn't get rid of some > noise/buzz/feedback/something > in the stage monitors. Didn't ruin the show by any means, but > I sure felt intimidated out of bothering him for an autograph > or anything afterwards, as he'd seemed to be having such a tortuous > time during the show. I saw Cale in '83 or '84 - he was (according to a friend who worked at the venue) coked to the gills, and if you've heard the intensity of some of the more ranting numbers on live albums from that decade, just imagine being about fifteen feet away. When he growled out that line in "Leaving it Up to You" - "right now, you fascists!" - the whole audience stepped back. Intimidated from asking for an autograph? That's an understatement! Brief Lou career summary: a notorious self-overrater, Reed is prone to ruin his better material by surrounding it with crap. Still, I like most of _Transformer_, _Berlin_, _Blue Mask_, _New Sensations_ (sorry to whoever ripped this one earlier - I can do w/o a couple of tracks, but mostly I think he wrote a good set of songs w/a good band here), and _New York_. Never did get into _Songs for Drella_ - sound & arranging seem too thin for my taste - and in a definite minority vote, I'm going to say I rather enjoy most of that blue one from a few years back w/"Egg Cream" whose title I forget (too lazy to look up). As much as I like Cale's career, he's released some lame-ass songs and compositions as well. Still, grossly underrated in comparison to Reed. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 00:03:23 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Mandatory Oscar Bitching On Tuesday, February 11, 2003, at 04:07 PM, Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: >> No bitching over here - ICE AGE was nominated for Best Animated >> Picture, along with LILO & STICH, SPIRITED AWAY, SPIRIT: STALLION OF >> THE CIMARRON and TREASURE PLANET. > > No offense Steve, but I hope to fucking god that Ice Age, Spirit, or > Treasure planet don't win. Ice Age looked great but the story was > totally lame. Yeah yeah, it was "three mammals and a baby", but you should've seen the original script Fox presented us with. (Definitely not Blue Sky's choice for its first feature) However, we did take a doo doo script and made it tolerable. And, it was the first film to break $100 million and opening box-office records for that weekend in March. Oh, and we trounced the re-release of E.T. - that was fun. ; ) > The other two sucked majorly in many ways. That said > none of this years nominees were as bad as that lame ass nickelodeon > Jimmy Neutron thing that was nominated last year over good stuff like > Waking Life. Us animators in the industry were at odds whether Waking Life should've been included or not. Essentially, it was computer enhanced proprietary rotoscoping, albeit extremely well done. I personally felt it didn't deserve to be included on that basis alone. > It's a toss up between, Lilo and Stitch and Spirited Away. Both were > beautifully animated with great stories that moved me emotionally. I absolutely agree (hey, we already won an oscar for "Bunny" 4 years ago), but I feel that Spirited Away should be excluded because it's a foreign film. Miyazaki certainly deserves to win based on his entire oeuvre at Studio Ghibli, but damn, it's a heavy hitter and will most likely come down between that and Lilo & Stitch. How "Shrek" won over "Monsters, Inc." last year is a testament to how far Katzenberg will go to spend the money to sway the votes in his favour. He did the same thing this past Annie Awards by purchasing a membership for EVERY PDI/Dreamworks employee and "encouraging" them to go out and vote. "Spirit" won for best character design. huh? Paint-by-number colouring book horses essentially. I just returned from a daylong business trip to Minneapolis with our Ice Age character designer, Peter De Seve, (who also contributed to "Treasure Planet" and Pixar's upcoming "Finding Nemo") and felt he was robbed of a well deserved nod for character design on both Ice Age and TP. - -Steve (up since 5:30a, ready for head to hit pillow as Mr. Sandman pummels away...) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:28:19 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: mo' Moe, Cale >Still, I like most of _New Sensations_ (sorry to whoever >ripped this one earlier - I can do w/o a couple of tracks, but mostly I >think he wrote a good set of songs w/a good band here) I actually bought that one, and traded it back! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:28:13 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Catching up >> Ehara Parani i te Rangi, Ehara Amatatama i te Rangi, Ehara Korono i te >> Rangi. Te Moana Nui a Kiwa o te Rangi. Engari ka ahea Ropina Hitikoka >> whakatoro ki Aotearoa? > >yer starting to sound french. what the fuck kinda language is this? you >have no right to fuck with us using an insignificant language from some >small island in the south pacific. > >though shalt speak no fucking kiwi! a day without annoying gSs (even in jest) is a day wasted :) >anyway, i was able to figure it out except for these words: > >amatatama and korono. > >what do these words mean? Amsterdam and Cologne/Koln - both, ISTR, in Sebastian's message. My incredibly dodgy Korero Maori reads "France is not Heaven, Amsterdam is not Heaven, Koln is not Heaven. Heaven is the Pacific Ocean - but when is Robyn Hitchcock going to visit to New Zealand?". It'd be interesting to see how similar this is to how it would look in Hawaiian (probably very similar). James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 12:29:48 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Mandatory Oscar Bitching/Cale >http://www.oscars.com/nominees/nomineelist.html > >1. I assume "The Two Towers" directed itself? y'see, there's this odd thing about the Oscars. If you're working on either a science fiction or a fantasy movie, you might as well not bother looking. The lasdt movie of either type to win "Best picture" was... "Around the world in 80 days", in 1956 (1958?). The last one to win "Best director" was....? It's never happened. Not Star Wars, not Close Encounters, not Planet of the Apes, not even Wizard of Oz. Still, I'm glad that "Frida" got several nods. >> To add insult to injury, there were only THREE movies nominated for Best >> Visual Effects. It's like they wanted to just say, "Fuck You" to >> Spielberg. > >A year or two ago I was annoyed that there were only three nominees for >Best Animated Film while something I thought was worthy had been passed >over, and I was told that there's some formula for how many nominees there >can be in a category based on how many are eligible; it's just that the >cap is 5, and almost every category has enough eligible entries to get 5 >nominees. Seems kind of weird -- what, there weren't a lot of movies with >special effects last year? -- but I think there's no insult there. We're not talking "Special effects", we're simply talking "Visual effects". Name me one movie with no visual effects. Even "Blue" had a visual effect. And before you start to consider a hypothetical possibility, having no visuals would be a stunning "visual effect" for a movie to have! >Back to Cale, I think he's also a terrific interpreter of other people--I >assume there's some >connection between his killer version of "Allelulia" on "I'm Your Fan" & >the weaker Wainwright >version that made it to Shrek. And I think Wrong Way Up, with Eno, is >pretty fun for a >collaborative toss-off. Hallelujah has quickly become a standard. That's another one I have loads of copies of - Cohen's original, plus Jeff Buckley (majestic), two Cale versions (divine), Bono's (um...), and at least one other I can't quite recall at present. And Wrong Way Up is more than just a toss-off - it's got some very intriguing stuff on it, and is a mighty fine album. It's also unique amongst Eno albums because of the lyrical opening and closing - after years of hiding behind strange fake characters and only referring to himself obliquely (if you'll pardon the term), he comes out straight away with an autobiographical song - and then ends the album by questioning whether the whole thing was just a dream. It was damn fine to hear an album's worth of him singing again, too, after such a long gap, and his voice and Cale's go very nicely together on songs like "One word". A friend of mine said of this album "you can tell who wrote what - Eno's songs are all 'I was just enjoying myself as the world went swirling past' and Cale's are all 'Take this coded message to the man from Cairo - he'll give you your instructions.'" James, sad that Kay's gone James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:21:59 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Catching up - --On Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:28:13 +1300 James Dignan wrote: > Amsterdam and Cologne/Koln - both, ISTR, in Sebastian's message. > > My incredibly dodgy Korero Maori reads "France is not Heaven, Amsterdam is > not Heaven, Koln is not Heaven. Heaven is the Pacific Ocean - but when is > Robyn Hitchcock going to visit to New Zealand?". > > It'd be interesting to see how similar this is to how it would look in > Hawaiian (probably very similar). That's very cool! I didn't know it worked like that, i.e. approximating the sounds. James, when you recovered your computer you went a year in the past! All your mails have 2002 as the year ... ;-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Non regalate terre promesse a chi non le mantiene. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:25:39 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Formerly Velvets, Formerly Special On Mon, 10 Feb 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > Quine's playing is great, and you can hear him more on this record than > the followups, but he's still not prominent enough for my tastes. > Apparently the tour was where the Reed/Quine thing really happened, and > you know what happens when Lou finds a good artistic foil: he tries to > kill the guy or something. * It wasn't until I read the Bockris bio that I realised quite how unpleasant Lou is. I think the account of how he drove Cale out of the reformed Velvets has contributed to putting me off listening to his recent stuff. Jeff Dwarf: >>Sterling lords over LIVE MCLXXXXXDDMIIIII as well though, as every good >>tugboat captain and literature professor should. Cale is solid as well. Rex.Broome: > Thing on that record is that Lou sucks so badly and willfully that > everyone sounds great in comparison. In that sense Lou provides a > valuable public service by shining a brilliant light on the other three > and their own characteristic greatnesses. Cale's "All Tomorrow's > Parties" makes me cry. Actually, so do some of Lou's lead vocal turns, > but for a different reason altogether. * Two things: At the gig I saw, Lou played all his guitar parts absolutely spot on, and very exciting it was too, realising that the Velvets noise uses a real Keith-and-Brian interplay of written guitar parts, which I stupidly hadn't spotted before. But as you rightly observe, the voice was hit and miss, mostly miss. I was aware of it, but not particularly worried at a live gig. It's when you play the recordings back that you notice how shaky the vocals were. I don't know about wilful, though. He has never been much more than a grunter of lyrics in a sub-Dylan vein. My feeling at the time was that his voice had dropped and he just couldn't hit the notes any more. "All tomorrow's parties" was definitely one of the high spots, along with "The gift" and a staggering "Waiting for the man". > Mike Godwin: > >>PS I only ever say Nico once on a sunny afternoon in Hyde Park at a free > >>concert > > I thought this was an incredibly artistic statement beyond my puny powers of > understanding before I puzzled out that it was a typo. May I be so lucky > next time. Sorrriiie! - - Waldo "it would be soon" Jeffers n.p. "I can't stand it anymore", VU 1969 version with synapse-stripping feedback ... PS That was the free gig where Kevin Ayers insisted on singing his cringeworthy "I've got a hard on for you baby" - almost as yukky as Donovan's "The intergalactic laxative" ... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 14:05:51 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Disconnection of Slade On Tue, 11 Feb 2003, Tom Clark wrote: > Recently someone mentioned Slade and how the reference fits into > Disconnection of The Ruling Class. I'm not familiar with their work or > image, so could I get an explanation of how they fit into the whole picture? Slade were probably the top UK glam rock band. According to http://www.slade-weerallcrazee.co.uk/ they had 6 number 1 singles, four at number 2 and two at number 3, which must outdo T. Rex. There is a good pic of the group here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/totp2/features/wallpaper/images/640/slade.jpg They were very different from T Rex with their boot boy, West Midlands, stomping image. You still hear "Here it is Merry Christmas" every year in the supermarkets, so their songwriting team (Jim Lea and Noddy Holder) must be raking the shekels in to this day. It was noticeable on a TV documentary last year that Dave Hill and Don Powell (gtr + drs) are still gigging, while Jim and Noddy stopped years ago. There is quite a good rundown on them at: http://www.artistdirect.com/music/artist/bio/0,,494055,00.html?artist=Slade though they only concede 5 number ones. Noddy has acting ambitions and turned up as a schoolmaster and frustrated guitarist in that TV show about Dudley in the 70s. What was it called? > And does Star of Hairs have anything to do with the Miro painting "And Fix > the Hairs of the Star"? At the last Bristol gig, RH was urging people to go to the de Chirico exhibition in London, on the grounds that dC was earlier and better than the surrealists. But my guess is yes, he must be a Joan Miro fan too. - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 9:53:03 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Disconnection of Slade Michael R Godwin wrote: > > You still hear "Here it is Merry Christmas" > every year in the supermarkets I spent my time in seasonal sub-minimum-wage store jobs thinking up new and painful deaths for Lea & Holder every year. I suspect I have heard that song more times than any other. > Noddy has acting ambitions He's been in The Grimleys, and is notable for his acoustic renditions of Slade songs thereon. Slade's movie "Flame" (1975) is supposed to be quite good -- it did a tour of the arthouses in the UK a couple of years ago, to better acclaim than I'd have expected. Stewart ps (in a thick W Mids accent): cuppasoup! ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #50 *******************************