From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #46 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, February 7 2003 Volume 12 : Number 046 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Tomorrow Never Sleeps Tonight ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Open Letter to Capuchin [Fric Chaud ] Re: Open Letter to Capuchin [steve ] OK, what the fuck is this? (or just wait till you pass 40 and your brain cells drop dead) [Jill Bran] Re: OK, what the fuck is this? (or just wait till you pass 40 and your brain cells drop dead) [Perry Amberson ] Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Re: Tomorrow Never Sleeps Tonight [Sebastian Hagedorn ] Let no-one else's work evade your eyes [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Open Letter to Capuchin [Steve Talkowski ] Song list ["Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" ] Re: Song list [gSs ] Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' [gSs ] Re: OK, what the fuck is this? (or just wait till you pass 40 and your brain cells drop dead) [Tom ] Re: Song list [Tom Clark ] Errata, about which none will care ["Rex.Broome" ] New Video clips from 1980 [brian@lazerlove5.com] attn: Marc Holden (sorry everyone else) [Jeffrey Norman ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:50:44 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Tomorrow Never Sleeps Tonight Just announced: >>Tuesday, March 11 Paris Elysee Montmartre (as part of the Aden Festival) Elysee Montmartre! I saw the Pogues, Sugarcubes and Urban Dance Squad there, and yeah, that was all one bill... also included Screaming Target, AKA B.A.D. minus Mick Jones and/or any raison d'etre. The most kick-ass-est venue in that area is (or was) Espace Ornano, which is about as big as the inside of a Ford Explorer, and yet you could see the Replacements there. Vis a vis les Francaises or quelque chose like that... I lived in Paris for a spell and could never substantiate any of the stereotypes about the French. I got on fine. But I'd say of Paris much the same thing I say of Los Angeles: a nice place to live but I wouldn't want to visit there. Immersion is pretty much required to get the full measure of the place. ___________ James: >>I seem to have 9 different soloists or groups performing "Tomorrow never >>knows" Citations, please. Other than the Chameleons version, the only covers I can think of have had the name changed to something like "Setting Sun", "Lips of Steel" or "Taxloss". Perry: >>"Mbube"/"Wimoweh"/"The Lion Sleeps Tonight." Got a lot of those, too. Rememer 1992, the year when everybody had a song with a fragment of that in it? Well, okay, REM and They Might Be Giants, but still, that was kinda weird. ___ Jason: >>Actually, I wrote "Got the skinny on lobsters?" Never got an answer back. The answer was misdirected to me, and it was, "Lobsters now located adjacent to prawns". If I could only figure out where *those* were... ____ Miles: >>Anyway, the live takes of "Heaven" and "Egyptian Cream" are identical to the >>glorious versions I remember from the May '92 Egyptians show in Nashville. I think I remember Heaven from the show I saw at that time, but almost definitely not Egyptian Cream. That woulda been Hollywood, though, not Paris. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 21:03:33 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Signel to Noise Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > Isn't this more of a tax *protest* and a lifestyle *choice* than an example > of being unmotivated to work because taxes are too high? I don't really see the difference. I've known a few folks who wouldn't work back in my conservation volunteer days, but for them, it was pure attitude. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 21:56:00 -0500 From: Fric Chaud Subject: Re: Open Letter to Capuchin On 6 Feb 2003 at 9:36, The Great Quail wrote: > 2. Speaking of which, I have never claimed to be the voice of reason. > Chris Gross and Steve Schiavo are the voices of reason. I have too > much of a temper. Chris and Steve are the list machead. I believe the position of voice of reason is still open. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 21:42:02 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Open Letter to Capuchin On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 08:56 PM, Fric Chaud wrote: > Chris and Steve are the list machead. I believe the position of voice > of reason is still open. I might let you get away with this, Fric, but only if you're running a *nix. - - Steve __________ They tend to be people who are insecure and vain. They are frequently nervous about their marriages and uncomfortable about parenthood. They often lack confidence in their driving skills. Above all, they are apt to be self-centered and self-absorbed, with little interest in their neighbors. - Keith Bradsher's summary of the auto industry's own marketing research about SUV buyers. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 23:12:21 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: OK, what the fuck is this? (or just wait till you pass 40 and your brain cells drop dead) My husband said to my son tonight "My mind's not so open that anything can crawl right in," and I laughed, about to cite the song and, and, and, and, and, I COULDN'T!!! And somehow, when I try to sing it, it keeps coming out as the bridge to Beautiful Queen. Thomas thinks it's the Buzzcocks or Howard Devoto. HELP. Please. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 20:17:51 -0800 (PST) From: Perry Amberson Subject: Re: OK, what the fuck is this? (or just wait till you pass 40 and your brain cells drop dead) That would be from "My Mind Ain't So Open" by Howard Devoto's post-Buzzcocks band Magazine. I seem to recall that it was the b-side to one of their early 45s, perhaps the first one--"Shot by Both Sides." - --Perry ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 20:29:22 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: Fegmania: Not just a list, but an album! At 10:10 AM -0800 2/6/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "Rex.Broome" and whispered: >Quail: >>>Having you back is like rediscovering the taste of something awful. > >Leaving aside the nature of your post, this singular statement is truly >AWESOME! I'd like to be completely nonconstructive and heartily second this statement. That line caused me to forward Quail's original flame to a bunch of old friends from other contentious lists I've been on, with the comment that I wish I'd had Quail writing for me back during some of those old flame wars. Without commenting on the merit of what was being said, on a pure reading-for-enjoyment level, that was the best line in perhaps the best flame I've ever read. At 6:32 PM +0000 2/6/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "Rex.Broome" and whispered: >> I meant flat-out most copies. Really skews things. I have a lotta Hey >> Joe's too. It's funny how Hendrix's version totally changed that song >> forever. I would really, one day, like to hear a pompous and self-absorbed Bono proclaim, "Hendrix stole this song from Dylan, and now we're stealing it back!" Wait, no I wouldn't. Sorry. Mike - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 00:19:39 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: mullet the blue sky Or, in the case of Rick Derringer, "mullet the blues guy." His R'n'R H C was way more popular here than Winter's. Being older than most, I tend to push that mullet list back a couple of years, but I did just actually plunk down for a Slade collection. It was part of my research into Robyn, you know. Re. "Disconnection of the Ruling Class," I guess it makes sense to portray Slade as rulers (as he does, particularly in the verse that's on the web site but not in the song) since they probably dominated UK radio keeping out more deserving weird acts. But being lower class wasn't just an act w/ them was it? Also I have a theory that every time Robyn blasts someone/thing in a song (except politicians) he usually is ambivalent about it/them -- David Byrne, Seattle, Clint Eastwood, cheese, etc. Re. the haircut, Bowie & Little Richard, Bowie did talk about growing up wanting to be sax player in Penniman's band. But who knows the dates of Bowie/ Little Richard hair-do's? - --- The Spectre-- I seem to remember hearing that Phil Spector was one inspiration for the charactor Swann in Brian DePalma's r'n'r horror comedy Phantom of the Paradise. Makes more sense all the time. - --- Rainbows All Over Your Baby Blues-- It's All Over Now BB is probably near tops in my collection (which isn't as big as some o yez) & I don't even really like the song. It's supposed to be a melody song, but verse is a one-note drone with a down-turn at the end. The lyrics aren't as good as anything on John Wesley Harding. But it was differenter than anything else at the time, & it put in a really dramatic appearance in Don't Look Back. Top of my list is Satisfaction, incl. Stones, Otis Redding, Television, Devo, Residents, Grateful Dead, Troggs, a bunch of lame bands on tributes & comps. and probably some more major acts. Paint it Black would be a close runner up tho. - --- Last but not least, my top 20 Robyn songs, in no order but fairly serious about it: Airscape Feels Like 1974 Yip Song Narcissus Man Who Invented Himself Underwater Moonlight Cynthia Mask Lady Waters & the Hooded One I'm Only You My Wife & My Dead Wife (despite overplay) The Crawling The President Antwoman Acid Bird Winchester Blues in the Dark Sounds Great When You're Dead Flesh Number 1 Globe of Frogs If You Know Time Ross Taylor "If I should die, think only this of me: That there's some corner of a foreign field That is forever England ..." -- Rupert Brooke, 1889-1915 Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 09:35:14 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' - --On Thursday, February 06, 2003 17:44:44 -0500 gSs wrote: > On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Tom Clark wrote: >> I couldn't imagine anything closer to heaven than seeing Robyn in Paris. > > de hemel is niet dichtbij Frankrijk! > > amsterdam misschien? > > ik leer. > > hemel op aarde! Obwohl ich auch finde, dass es in Paris zu viele Franzosen gibt als dass es himmlisch sein kvnnte, muss ich hier widersprechen: Amsterdam ist sicherlich eine sehr schvne Stadt, aber es kann keine Frage geben. Der Himmel auf Erden ist Kvln ;-) - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Non regalate terre promesse a chi non le mantiene. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 12:36:25 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Yo La Tengo. - --On Thursday, February 06, 2003 18:56:09 -0500 Maximilian Lang wrote: > I thought this to be amusing: > > http://www.yolatengo.com/billboard/index.html Is this for real?? I guess that so few singles are sold these days that it *could* be real. > By the way, YLT will be touring in April(yes Ken,without horns). And in May they'll play Germany, in fact they'll even be here in Cologne :-) Three days earlier the Go-Betweens are going to be in town. Still I wish the Soft Boys were to play in these parts ... - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Non regalate terre promesse a chi non le mantiene. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 12:58:10 +0100 From: Sebastian Hagedorn Subject: Re: Tomorrow Never Sleeps Tonight - --On Thursday, February 06, 2003 17:50:44 -0800 "Rex.Broome" wrote: >>> I seem to have 9 different soloists or groups performing "Tomorrow >>> never knows" > > Citations, please. Other than the Chameleons version, the only covers I > can think of have had the name changed to something like "Setting Sun", > "Lips of Steel" or "Taxloss". Phil Collins! I actually like "Face Value" and think this cover is pretty good as well. I'm sure I know others, but can't think of them. - -- Sebastian Hagedorn Ehrenfeldg|rtel 156 50823 Kvln http://www.spinfo.uni-koeln.de/~hgd/ Non regalate terre promesse a chi non le mantiene. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:26:47 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: mullet the blue sky On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, ross taylor wrote: > Or, in the case of Rick Derringer, "mullet the blues guy." His R'n'R H > C was way more popular here than Winter's. Weird!!! I mean, he can play the guitar (and does with Johnny Winder And), but I always felt that his vocals peaked with "Hang on Sloopy" :) > Being older than most, I tend to push that mullet list back a couple of > years, but I did just actually plunk down for a Slade collection. It > was part of my research into Robyn, you know. Dave Hill's is the quintessential mullet. > Re. "Disconnection of the Ruling Class," I guess it makes sense to > portray Slade as rulers (as he does, particularly in the verse that's on > the web site but not in the song) since they probably dominated UK radio > keeping out more deserving weird acts. But being lower class wasn't > just an act w/ them was it? No. More to the point, being from Wolverhampton wasn't just an act (or do I mean Dudley?). But the boot boy image was carefully crafted by Chas Chandler - remember the early Ambrose Slade days when they used to sing hippie ditties like "Martha My Dear"? > Also I have a theory that every time Robyn blasts someone/thing in a > song (except politicians) he usually is ambivalent about it/them -- > David Byrne, Seattle, Clint Eastwood, cheese, etc. Hmmm - interesting! > Re. the haircut, Bowie & Little Richard, Bowie did talk about growing up > wanting to be sax player in Penniman's band. But who knows the dates of > Bowie/ Little Richard hair-do's? My vote for first mullet would go to Rod and Ronnie in the Faces around the time of "You Wear It Well": > Rainbows All Over Your Baby Blues-- > It's All Over Now BB is probably near tops in my collection (which isn't > as big as some o yez) & I don't even really like the song. The two Dylan songs which I have heard (not bought) the most covers of are "You ain't going nowhere" and "I'll be your baby tonight" (who can forget the great Blossom Toes version?) > Last but not least, my top 20 Robyn songs, in no order but fairly > serious about it: > > Airscape > Feels Like 1974 > Yip Song > Narcissus > Man Who Invented Himself > Underwater Moonlight > Cynthia Mask > Lady Waters & the Hooded One > I'm Only You > My Wife & My Dead Wife (despite overplay) > The Crawling > The President > Antwoman > Acid Bird > Winchester > Blues in the Dark > Sounds Great When You're Dead > Flesh Number 1 > Globe of Frogs > If You Know Time Good score, Ross. I'd add in "The abandoned brain" (bliss!),"Sleeping with your devil mask", "Railway shoes" and a few others already mentioned. - - Mike "it's all compulsion there's no choice" Godwin n.p. Slade "Everyday" (their last hit, n'est-ce pas? and a waltz to boot) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:43:14 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Let no-one else's work evade your eyes Have you guys and guyesses seen this? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/2736149.stm If one of my students was caught plagiarising someone else's PhD thesis without crediting it, they would receive an automatic zero for the piece of work, and would be lucky not to be disciplined as well. - - Mike "only be sure to call it research" Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:05:34 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Yo La Tengo. On Thu, Feb 6, 2003, Maximilian Lang wrote: > I thought this to be amusing: > > http://www.yolatengo.com/billboard/index.html Awesome. > By the way, YLT will be touring in April(yes Ken,without horns). And without Ray or Peter as well I suppose. :-/ - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:23:08 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Open Letter to Capuchin On Thursday, February 6, 2003, at 09:56 PM, Fric Chaud wrote: > Chris and Steve are the list machead. I believe the position of voice > of reason is still open. Careful, there are two Steve's with .mac accounts here... - -Steve (Capuchin = gSs) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 15:26:52 +0000 From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" Subject: Song list The Tax versus Incentive challange: I do know middle class people who are disinclined to work more because the tax bite of their salary, and putting in overtime isnt worth its time cost to slight monetary gain for them. I also know a couple who moved out of England in the 70s who were entrpeneurs and felt they could make a better go of it in America because the taxes were less. She had dual citizenship so it was easy for them to do. So yes, I do believe that high taxes can make people less likely to produce as much as they can. And yes, Ive both seen and heard of examples of this. It is a concern, thou only one of many. - --------------------------- Favorite Robyn songs? I started to compile a list last night and it would have taken up 4 CDs. Its hard for me to whittle down becacause one of the glorious Robyn talents is that he has music for every mood and situation(well, my moods and my situations.) Is she angry? Tell Me about Your Drugs, Mexican God, Pretty Girl, I Want to Destroy You Struggling against the limitations of reality? City of Shame, The Crawling, I Am Not Me, Japanese Captain, Im Only You, Satalitte, Radiostorm All het up? What Can I Say to You, Sally Was a Legend, Insect Mother, Feeling all loovy thou she knows better? Another Bubble, Pulse of My Heart, Arms of Love, Sinsister but Happy, One Long Pair of Eyes, Cynthia Mask, Airscape, Jewels for Sophia Bitter? Cars She Used to Drive, A Skull,a Suitcase and a Long Red Bottle of Wine, Sounds Great When Your Dead, Queen of Eyes, Beatle Dennis, Raymond Chandler Evening Bittersweet? Winchester, Glass Hotel, Wreck of the Arthur Lee, I Often Dream of Trains, Railway Shoes, Glass Up for a giggle? Bass, Listening to the Higsons, Midnight Fish, Groovin on an Inner Plane, Let There Be More Darkness, Star of Hairs Wanna dance? Rock n Roll Toilet, Tell Me About Your Drugs, Vibrating, What Can I Say to You, I Want to Destroy You, Old Pervert - live, Ultra Unbelievable Love, Only the Stones Remain, I Love Lucy Philosophical? Speed of Things, I Saw Nick Drake, Never Stop Bleeding, Dark Green Energy, Serpent at the Gates of Wisdom, La CheritE, Down? I Often Dream of Trains, the short vynal album, in its entirety, Acquarium, Plus Acid Bird, which dosnt seem to fit any of the above. BTW--caregories and entries subject to change without notice;-) - ----------- My daughters had the flu, and Ive spent the last few days at home bonding with her. She has guided me thru her tastes-- Our Lady of Peace, Puddle of Mud, 741, Good Charlotte, Simple Plan and the Hives are her faves at the monent. And I gotta say, "She Fucking Hates Me" is fun(and horrible in the right way.) Plus we had a "talk" about how obscenity can have "artistic value" but its not something to say to your teacher or grandmother. What I loved was that she was turning me on to stuff I hadn't heard -- and it wasn't bad. It wasnt up to Jill's kids' taste, but itr was a long way from Britany. You know, this child rearing thing could have its advantages:-) She had also rented an Ab Fab I hadnt seen. Watching Edwina and Patsey all gothed up and talking slang after a Maryln Manson concert made me bless my lucky stars that Im an old fashioned high geek ... and proud of it! also saw the botox one which was hilarious. Jill, so how are your kids? Flue has a third of Katies class out. Kay _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 09:57:47 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Song list On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome wrote: > The Tax versus Incentive challange: > So yes, I do believe that high taxes can make people less likely to produce > as much as they can. i think people are more likely to seek undeclared gain to avoid paying taxes than to actually be less productive overall. On the NZ note, if i read it correctly, if my government was that inefficient and needing to bill me 45% on declared income, i wouldn't declare a damn thing. jeme ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:40:58 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' On Fri, 7 Feb 2003, Sebastian Hagedorn wrote: > Obwohl ich auch finde, dass es in Paris zu viele Franzosen gibt als dass es > himmlisch sein kvnnte, muss ich hier widersprechen: Amsterdam ist > sicherlich eine sehr schvne Stadt, aber es kann keine Frage geben. Der > Himmel auf Erden ist Kvln ;-) koln war nett, sowie Bonn und Munchen. aber Amstrerdam nimmt den kuchen. auch, ich bin in Holland wieder im Marz. wir konnten treffen? konnten wir niedelandisch verwenden? meine Dutch ist schmutzig, aber mein Deutsch ist darmbewegung! gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 11:14:15 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: OK, what the fuck is this? (or just wait till you pass 40 and your brain cells drop dead) on 2/6/03 8:17 PM, Perry Amberson at perryamberson@yahoo.com wrote: > That would be from "My Mind Ain't So Open" by Howard > Devoto's post-Buzzcocks band Magazine. I seem to > recall that it was the b-side to one of their early > 45s, perhaps the first one--"Shot by Both Sides." > This is the same kind of knowledge that causes my wife to say to me "How the fuck do you know that?". Blessing? Curse? Who's to say. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 11:37:27 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Song list on 2/7/03 7:26 AM, Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome at theyarenotlong@hotmail.com wrote: > Bitter? > Cars She Used to Drive, A Skull,a Suitcase and a Long Red Bottle of Wine, > Sounds Great When Your Dead, Queen of Eyes, Beatle Dennis, Raymond Chandler > Evening > Don't forget "Trash" - -tc, feeling dissed about not being dissed by Fric. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:06:10 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Errata, about which none will care I, um, claimed a few days ago that I had a copy of the Wedding Present covering Neil Young's "Barstool Blue"... in fact, it's "Don't Cry No Tears", another tune from Zuma, that they covered. May God forgive me. I did, however, once see Mary Lou Lord cover "Barstool". Man, did she suck. Couldn't understand how she generated such a huge buzz when she'd only written, like, two original songs (the term "original" being relative as one was entitled "Some Jingle Jangle Morning") and had yet to master the art of playing guitar in time with, well, anything. Maybe she got better, like the guy who was turned into a newt. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 14:40:47 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' At 05:49 PM 2/6/2003 -0500, gSs wrote: >On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Tom Clark wrote: >> Granted, it probably wouldn9t smell too good... > >paris smells like urine almost exclusively, though i did smell pot once >or twice. Greg, the more you describe your trip to Europe, the more I'm convinced that you travelled entirely by sewer. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 18:13:57 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: New Video clips from 1980 Anyfeg see these yet: http://thesoftboys.com/audiovideo.html Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 22:43:38 -0600 From: Jeffrey Norman Subject: attn: Marc Holden (sorry everyone else) Your file came through fine. Sorry about the general message - I stupidly deleted your e-mail after uploading the attachment, so I lost your direct address.... .Jeff ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #46 *******************************