From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #45 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, February 6 2003 Volume 12 : Number 045 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Signel to Noise ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Fegmania: Not just a list, but an album! [Michael R Godwin ] Re: Signel to Noise ["Stewart C. Russell" ] region2 dvds [Imanol Ugarte ] Re: Signel to Noise ["Jason R. Thornton" ] Elf Power: not the band, but the power ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Signs to know [gSs ] Open Cappucino, [BLATZMAN@aol.com] Re: Teenage Mutant Ninja Lucas [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Fegmania: Not just a list, but an album! [Miles Goosens ] Re: Teenage Mutant Ninja Lucas [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Fegmania: Not just a list, but an album! [brian@lazerlove5.com] I lost my pinkie on heaven [brian@lazerlove5.com] From Your Local Rekkid Shop ["FS Thomas" ] the Three O' Clock ["Marc Holden" ] Soft Boys in gay Pari' [brian@lazerlove5.com] Re: the Three O' Clock [Eb ] baby don't go [Jill Brand ] Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' [Tom Clark ] Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' ["Mike Wells" ] Best of RH - thanks! ["Charlotte Tupman" ] Re: baby don't go [The Great Quail ] Re: Best of RH? [Miles Goosens ] Re: Best of RH? [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: signal to noise [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' [Tom Clark ] Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' [gSs ] Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' [gSs ] Yo La Tengo. ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: region2 dvds [Mike Swedene ] Re: Signel to Noise [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:29:11 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Signel to Noise Jeffrey wrote: > > I've heard this, of course...but I wonder, does > anyone here know anyone who > actually thinks this: that is, "I'm not going to > try to make more money or > work harder because taxes are too high"? Yes. Catherine's uncle, as far as I can tell, believes that since he is not personally responsible for directing where his tax money is spent, he should avoid generating revenue for a body which has on occasion acted in a morally reprehensible manner. Being very principled, he does not evade tax. Rather he limits his monetary income such that he pays as little tax as possible. He drives a small van, which has the lowest tax rating he can get. (Only recently did he bow to family complaints and get a passenger seat fitted to his van -- an extra tax burden -- so that guests didn't have to squat on a box in the seat well.) He's lived this way for most of his life. He's interesting. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:32:31 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Fegmania: Not just a list, but an album! > Eb's most copious tune: > >>In my case, I'm pretty sure it's "Hey Joe." Maybe depending on > >>whether you meant "most copies," or "most copies by different > >>artists." On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > I meant flat-out most copies. Really skews things. I have a lotta Hey > Joe's too. It's funny how Hendrix's version totally changed that song > forever. There are only a few years between the Byrds/Love/etc. high > velocity versions, the Hendrix, and then all the subsequent slower > versions... I'm thinking particularly of the version by the Creation, > Hendrix-style, which is interesting in that the Creation were practically > contemporaries of the earlier bands who did it fast. The late Tim Rose (of "Morning Dew" fame) originated the slow version. I assume that Hendrix picked up on it when they were both living in Greenwich Village in the mid-60s. I was thinking about "7 and 7 is" earlier today, and if you compare it with Love's "fast" version of "Hey Joe", it's very similar, but with a "Wipeout" beat added. Ooh-bip-bip ooh-bip-bip yeah! - - Mike Godwin ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 18:39:45 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Signel to Noise On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > Yes. Catherine's uncle, as far as I can tell, believes that since he is > not personally responsible for directing where his tax money is spent, > he should avoid generating revenue for a body which has on occasion > acted in a morally reprehensible manner. Remember when JRRT had to pay a large cheque to the tax people, and he scrawled across it "Not a penny for Concorde"? More seriously, there were some people called the Peace Tax Campaign (you know, the usual Quakers and anarchists) who took out a case to stop their tax payments going into military programmes. IIRC the government took it all very seriously, assured them that they would put their cash into health and education, and then topped up the arms budget from the money paid by all the other taxpayers... Do they still exist? - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:01:12 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Signel to Noise Michael R Godwin wrote: > > Remember when JRRT had to pay a large cheque to > the tax people, and he > scrawled across it "Not a penny for Concorde"? I'm afraid not; Mr Trubshaw made his flight more than two months before I was born. Nor am I much of a fan of Tolkien. > More seriously, there were some people called > the Peace Tax Campaign ... Do they still exist? Well, being one of the usual Quakers and anarchists of which you speak, I know many members of the War Tax Resistance Movement. [That has reminded me -- a Glasgow Quaker also refuses to work to protest the misuse of tax money is another example for Jeffrey.] Some of them will pay 75% of their taxes, but leave the last 25% to be manually collected from their homes by NI staff. I've heard of it being presented in pennies, or in an envelope marked "Blood Money". Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 20:02:58 +0100 From: Imanol Ugarte Subject: region2 dvds Hi all, I just purchased a DVD player (Playstation2, actually), and now that I own this thing, my interest for Storefront Hitchcock is increasing, so... any help or info about on-line stores offering it? Here in Europe we need region 2- encoded DVDs. I've been trying to search Storefront and Gotta Let..dvds in Amazon, they only appear on the USA site, i.e: region 1. (there's not region 2 Storefront nor Gotta Let..dvds on Amazon UK) Where did you get these, European people? I'm a bit confuse. I'd really want to know exactly whether region X encoded dvds are able to be played on other zones. Any info on this? Thanks in advance Imanol Ugarte Basque Country ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 11:05:41 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Signel to Noise At 06:39 PM 2/6/2003 +0000, Michael R Godwin wrote: >Remember when JRRT had to pay a large cheque to the tax people, and he >scrawled across it "Not a penny for Concorde"? Actually, I wrote "Got the skinny on lobsters?" Never got an answer back. - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:16:09 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Elf Power: not the band, but the power James: >>It has been claimed by some that as I get older my looks are moving >>closer to Robert Lindsay's around the time of "The Wimbledon Poisoner". >>Compared to some comments I've had about my looks, I'll consider it a >>compliment. I just got a good one last night. A friend e-mailed me after having watched the Lord of the Rings on DVD, and she insisted that I would make the perfect Legolas for Halloween. I had to show it to my wife, who is crazy with the elf-lust for Orlando Bloom, and gloat mightily. _______ Aaron: >>I am shocked to hear you calling the World Trade Center a pompous ass and >>a borderline sociopath! What did it ever do to you to deserve that? Well, it obviously pissed someone off. (ducks and rapidly swerves back on topic) _____ Charlotte: >>I've been asked by a friend (and newcomer to RH) to make her a tape of the >>'best of Robyn Hitchcock' (to include some Soft Boys tracks). I need to do this for someone, too, so I'm glad you brought it up. So many records, I could never do it in less than two discs. I ended up comtemplating a mini-box-set, then got irritated that it's less likely that there will ever be a legit Robyn box set than that someone will do, like, a Human League box or whatever (random example since I just notice that someone's reissuing THEIR catalog) and gave up. Anyhow, key question, Charlotte-- what are some of your friend's favorite artists? Makes a big difference in the song suggestion. My friend is incredibly into a mix of '80's stuff like Peter Murphy and the Church, and the mellow '70's strains of Buffet and the Eagles (the songs he heard and liked were the nautically-themed ones for the Ghost Ship compilation). Sequence me a Robyn record for that combo! ___ Brian identifies the live tracks on Fegmania: >>From the 93' respect tour. Holy anachronism, Fegman! But that makes sense. Note that Robyn did have a Rickenbacker 12-string in tow for that tour, and was covering "Eight Miles High", albeit acoustically, most nights anyhow. - -Rexolas np: The Only Ones, Baby's Got a Gun ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:20:39 -0800 (PST) From: Perry Amberson Subject: Re: Best of RH? and All Over My Baby Blue Database Hi, All Got to put my two cents' worth in for the following: "Each of Her Silver Wands" (Soft Boys or solo) "Human Music" "If You Know Time" and "I Saw Nick Drake" And my most frequently appearing songs would probably include "Strawberry Fields Forever," Hendrix's "Red House," and "Mbube"/"Wimoweh"/"The Lion Sleeps Tonight." I've got around twenty versions of that one in its various incarnations, from Solomon Linda to the Mavericks, and not a one of them sucks. (I've always hated the middle bit with the clarinet and the soprano in the Tokens' version, though.) - --Perry ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:58:01 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Open Letter to Capuchin >Quail: >Though your locution was technically acceptable, the verb "parade" >nevertheless implies a sequence of items. Perhaps an even better way of >putting it could have been: "In an endless parade of posts wherein you claim >to be the voice of reason...." Or, "Like a some strutting & preening >Voltairean Peacock, you have often styl'd yourself as the Voice of >Reason...." Quail, your nose. It's...rather large. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:17:42 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Signs to know On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome wrote: > Posts that are rude or stupid I see as noise and scroll over quickly. > Posts that are interesting, witty, eye-opening, thoughtful, beautiful, > smart, funny, informative, wry, challanging in a open-minded way, cute, > heartwarming, engagingly surreal, charming or otherwise "not a waste > of time" I read as signel and treat accordingly. if you find a post to be rude or stupid and scoll over it quickly, then why do you make such a fuss? is this the first place you've ever had to do this? you work in a library, don't you? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:15:11 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Open Cappucino, As somebody who'se been here for so many years I can't count them, all I can say is that I'm glad Quail said what he did. The Cap's callous comments during the WTC stuff were so aweful I just stopped participating for a year. Way to go, Quail! I recognize this isn't my list, no do I want it, but it's a hell of a lot less fun than it used to be... I totally accept it, and just take it for what it is. This list is like the local dumping grounds. I have take my trash out like everyone else, so I'm compelled to peek in every now and then. But I can't stay too long cause everyone knows what the dumps smell like... Dave ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:17:50 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Teenage Mutant Ninja Lucas BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > Lucas is his own worst enemy and I think he is a talentless > writer. I often wonder what Empire Strikes Back would have > been like if Lucas directed it. Imagine Jar Jars dad in the > great Snow-walker scene: Given the timeline of everything, wouldn't that have had to be Jar-Jar's kid? ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 14:32:19 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Fegmania: Not just a list, but an album! At 02:29 PM 2/6/2003 +0000, brian@lazerlove5.com wrote: >Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > >>The live >> tracks >> are totally different from what I expected-- what was the context for >> those? >> I swear Robyn is actually playing "Eight Miles High" at one point >> during >> "Egyptian Cream". > >From the 93' respect tour. Or possibly from '92 gigs. It's all sorta the same tour anyway. Rhino didn't give dates for those recordings because then they would've, ahem, gotten a nasty letter from A&M about how Robyn was under contract to them when those songs were recorded. Anyway, the live takes of "Heaven" and "Egyptian Cream" are identical to the glorious versions I remember from the May '92 Egyptians show in Nashville. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:28:21 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Teenage Mutant Ninja Lucas On Thu, Feb 6, 2003, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > > Lucas is his own worst enemy and I think he is a talentless > > writer. I often wonder what Empire Strikes Back would have > > been like if Lucas directed it. Imagine Jar Jars dad in the > > great Snow-walker scene: > > Given the timeline of everything, wouldn't that have had to be > Jar-Jar's kid? Are you assuming someone would actually fuck Jar-Jar? ;-) I'm picturing that South Park episode now... - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 12:38:59 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Teenage Mutant Ninja Lucas Ken Weingold wrote: > Jeff Dwarf wrote: > > BLATZMAN@aol.com wrote: > > > Lucas is his own worst enemy and I think he is a talentless > > > writer. I often wonder what Empire Strikes Back would have > > > been like if Lucas directed it. Imagine Jar Jars dad in > > > the great Snow-walker scene: > > > > Given the timeline of everything, wouldn't that have had to > > be Jar-Jar's kid? > > Are you assuming someone would actually fuck Jar-Jar? ;-) Well, it could be asexual reproduction, like a dandelion or a Bush. Or Jar-Jar just isn't as annoying to his fellow underwater pseudo-jive lizard things as he is to everyone else. > I'm picturing that South Park episode now... Alas, one of their worst episodes ever. Too easy a target, too sloppily done. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:45:11 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: Re: Fegmania: Not just a list, but an album! Quoting Miles Goosens : > >From the 93' respect tour. > > Or possibly from '92 gigs. It's all sorta the same tour anyway. Rhino > > didn't give dates for those recordings because then they would've, ahem, > > gotten a nasty letter from A&M about how Robyn was under contract to > them > when those songs were recorded. Anyway, the live takes of "Heaven" and > > "Egyptian Cream" are identical to the glorious versions I remember from > the > May '92 Egyptians show in Nashville. I'm putting my $$ and left pinkie on 93'. Sounds very similar to the Columbus 93 RHE recording I have (among others). Morris' stand up electro drums are a dead give away. Luxor coming soon! Any actual web-release date known? Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:47:26 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: I lost my pinkie on heaven Quoting Miles Goosens : Anyway, the live takes of "Heaven"...are identical to the glorious versions I remember from > the > May '92 Egyptians show in Nashville. You may be right about that version of Heaven! It's only tambourine, right? Nupply ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:52:13 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: From Your Local Rekkid Shop I stopped in my local today (Brass City Records in Waterbury) and the owner asked me, "what's this?" It appears that A Star for Bram is going to be commercially available this or next week. F S Thomas ferris@ochremedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 14:23:46 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: the Three O' Clock Do you still need a copy of "I Go Wild" by the Three O'Clock? I just bought a copy of Sixteen Tambourines last night, and it includes the entire Baroque Hoedown EP as bonus tracks, Marc btw--the Chocolate Watchband and Badfinger also both cover Dylan's "Baby Blue" ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 17:25:07 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: Soft Boys in gay Pari' thesoftboys.com: The Soft Boys Tuesday, March 11 Paris Elysee Montmartre (as part of the Aden Festival) Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 13:30:25 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: the Three O' Clock >btw--the Chocolate Watchband and Badfinger also both cover Dylan's "Baby >Blue" Not Badfinger. Different song. I have the Chocolate Watchband cover -- it's more like a cover of Them covering "Baby Blue"! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:33:44 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: baby don't go I would be truly saddened if ourQuail were to leave the list. His interpretation of Victorian Squid was one of the first things that kept me reading. I often don't have time to read the digest(s) at the end of the day, but I always read his contributions (and Kay's, too, because I love to discover what percentage of our gene pools are shared). Jill ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 13:36:11 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' on 2/6/03 9:25 AM, brian@lazerlove5.com at brian@lazerlove5.com wrote: > thesoftboys.com: > The Soft Boys > Tuesday, March 11 Paris Elysee Montmartre (as part of the Aden Festival) > I couldn't imagine anything closer to heaven than seeing Robyn in Paris. ciel sur terre ! - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 15:45:08 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' Tom: > I couldn't imagine anything closer to heaven than seeing Robyn in Paris. Seeing Robyn in your living room? Michael "how 'bout if the living room was in Paris?" Wells (aka 'la citron effrayant') ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 21:49:09 +0000 From: "Charlotte Tupman" Subject: Best of RH - thanks! Thanks for all the suggestions - it was interesting that a few tracks came up several times. I'm sure that a new Feg will soon be born! Charlotte _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger - fast, easy and FREE! http://messenger.msn.co.uk ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:53:20 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: baby don't go > I would be truly saddened if ourQuail were to leave the list. His > interpretation of Victorian Squid was one of the first things that kept me > reading. I have no intentions on going; in fact, I feel more like hanging around than ever. As a fellow List-member and friend said to me, it's not a bad thing to realize that everyone doesn't *have* to like you, and while a few years ago I would have been more careful, I just don't care anymore what some Fegs think of me. (Which is not to say I plan on being arbitrarily mean or always crabby!) I've said what I wanted to say, and if Jeme wants to add something in his defense, I don't plan on extending a personal fight beyond this point. (And Jeme's restraint is certainly more admirable than my lack of it.) I feel like I pointed out the elephant in the room, and I'm finished. While I regret that my "open letter" was responsible for some ugliness and tension around here, it'll pass. But thanks for the kind words -- they are appreciated. - --Q ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 16:08:48 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Best of RH? We've been over this several times, so no need for a giant thread to develop out of this, but I *hate* the spoken-word part of "Autumn Sea," and if that had been my first exposure to Robyn, it might have taken me years to investigate further. "Autumn Is Your Last Chance," however... yum. I won't post the entire contents of my own best-of, but here are the cornerstones that remain on every iteration: Give It To the Soft Boys Kingdom of Love Insanely Jealous 52 Stations St. Petersburg Sometimes I Wish I Was a Pretty Girl Flavour of Night Autumn Is Your Last Chance The Man With the Lightbulb Head Heaven (might replace the studio take with the live one from Rhino's FEGMANIA! next time I do this) The Crawling Vibrating Globe of Frogs (original album version) Flesh #1 (Beatle Dennis) later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:19:42 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Best of RH? > I've been asked by a friend (and newcomer to RH) to make her a tape of the > 'best of Robyn Hitchcock' (to include some Soft Boys tracks). As I couldn't > possibly contemplate such a task without consultation with fellow Fegs, does > anyone think that there are certain tracks that I really *must* include?! Well the obvious is Airscape - but I'd start as Underwater Moonlight started, with "I wanna destroy you". I'd also have: Cynthia Mask, Glass Hotel, Filthy Bird, Egyptian Cream, The Man who Invented Himself, Raymond Chamndler evening, Uncorrected Personality Traits, My favourite buildings, Arms of Love, The wreck of the Arthur Lee, Birdshead, Madonna of the wasps, One long pair of eyes, Brenda's iron sledge, Love, Mexican God, Kingdom of love, La cherite, Queen of eyes, and Rock'n'roll toilet. But then again, I'd have a boxed set rather than one tape! James PS - I seem to have 9 different soloists or groups performing "Tomorrow never knows" James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 18:24:52 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' >From: Tom Clark >I couldn't imagine anything closer to heaven than seeing Robyn in Paris. > >ciel sur terre ! >-tc Heaven? You would be surrounded by French people. Maximilien _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 12:27:04 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: signal to noise Godders sez: >You will remember from your first semester economics that any change in >net wages has both a substitution effect (it alters the attractiveness of >work) and an income effect (it alters the amount of work you need to do to >attain a target income). As these two effects work in opposite directions, >there is no theoretical way to predict which will dominate. > >There have been one or two ambiguous bits of evidence that the very top >bracket taxpayers might be put off additional work by high taxes, but if >you're the kind of person that can command a top salary, you can negotiate >on the basis of the amount that you want _after_ tax, and if people want >you that much they will pay up. this is true in a closed economy, but in practice what happens with company taxation, at least, is that the company shifts production to another country, with lower taxation or a lower wage structure. High company taxation in a country like the US is likely to increase the number of companies setting up shop in poor countries with poor working conditions. As far as personal taxation is concerned, a big country like the US can get away with high tax regimes in the way that a small country like New Zealand cannot (or even Britain, for that matter). There was an exodus of the rich from New Zealand to Australia a few years ago when the top tax rate went up to (gasp) 45%. As one former New Zealand prime minister famously said "Anyone leaving New Zealand for Australia raises the average IQ of both countries". Actually, reading further down your post, I see that I'm just expanding on something you said. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 15:39:36 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' on 2/6/03 3:24 PM, Maximilian Lang at maximlang@hotmail.com wrote: >> From: Tom Clark >> I couldn't imagine anything closer to heaven than seeing Robyn in Paris. >> >> ciel sur terre ! >> -tc > > > Heaven? You would be surrounded by French people. I regret that this is going to start a "I hate/like the French" thread, but I have to say that I went to Paris with every expectation of being treated horribly and found my experience to be totally the opposite. Everybody was pretty nice - Taxi drivers, shop owners, hotel workers, my co-workers (I worked there for a week teaching a workshop when I was at Apple). I guess the only assholes were the waiters at the touristy restaurants on the Champs-Elysees, but that's to be expected. Granted, it probably wouldn9t smell too good... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:44:44 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Tom Clark wrote: > I couldn't imagine anything closer to heaven than seeing Robyn in Paris. de hemel is niet dichtbij Frankrijk! amsterdam misschien? ik leer. hemel op aarde! gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 17:49:04 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: Soft Boys in gay Pari' On Thu, 6 Feb 2003, Tom Clark wrote: > Granted, it probably wouldn9t smell too good... paris smells like urine almost exclusively, though i did smell pot once or twice. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 18:56:09 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Yo La Tengo. I thought this to be amusing: http://www.yolatengo.com/billboard/index.html By the way, YLT will be touring in April(yes Ken,without horns). Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 16:08:44 -0800 (PST) From: Mike Swedene Subject: Re: region2 dvds With a PSX2 you can view anyregion DVDS once u purchase a gameshark. It is actually mentioned as a SELLING point in the booklet. Good luck! Herbie np-> "Atmosphere" Joy Division - --- Imanol Ugarte wrote: > Hi all, > > I just purchased a DVD player (Playstation2, > actually), and now that I > own this thing, my interest for Storefront Hitchcock > is increasing, > so... any help or info about on-line stores offering > it? > > Here in Europe we need region 2- encoded DVDs. I've > been trying to search > Storefront and Gotta Let..dvds in Amazon, they only > appear on the USA > site, > i.e: region 1. (there's not region 2 Storefront nor > Gotta Let..dvds on > Amazon UK) > > Where did you get these, European people? > I'm a bit confuse. I'd really want to know exactly > whether region X > encoded dvds are able to be played on other zones. > > Any info on this? > > Thanks in advance > > Imanol Ugarte > Basque Country ===== - --------------------------------------------- View my Websight & CDR Trade page at: http://midy.topcities.com/ _____________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 19:02:36 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Signel to Noise Quoting "Stewart C. Russell" : > Jeffrey wrote: > > > > I've heard this, of course...but I wonder, does > > anyone here know anyone who > > actually thinks this: that is, "I'm not going to > > try to make more money or > > work harder because taxes are too high"? > > Yes. Catherine's uncle, as far as I can tell, > believes that since he is not personally > responsible for directing where his tax money is > spent, he should avoid generating revenue for a > body which has on occasion acted in a morally > reprehensible manner. > > Being very principled, he does not evade tax. > Rather he limits his monetary income such that he > pays as little tax as possible. He drives a small > van, which has the lowest tax rating he can get. > (Only recently did he bow to family complaints and > get a passenger seat fitted to his van -- an extra > tax burden -- so that guests didn't have to squat > on a box in the seat well.) Isn't this more of a tax *protest* and a lifestyle *choice* than an example of being unmotivated to work because taxes are too high? For instance: if all the taxes went to support programs he agreed with, would he still limit his income (assuming he had the choice to raise it)? (The other examples, involving protesting taxes used for war etc., are even more clearly illustrations of tax protest: if a new government came in and said, "we're dedicating 100% of tax income to non-violently furthering peace in the world," these people would probably cease their protesting. So it's not the amount of tax they're protesting; it's the use of tax monies.) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #45 *******************************