From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #43 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, February 6 2003 Volume 12 : Number 043 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Teenage Mutant Ninja Lucas [BLATZMAN@aol.com] nz music ["bibi gellert" ] these things just happen to me [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Do they taste more like Dungeness or Blue Crabs? ["Rex.Broome" ] My Next CD Purchase [Tom Clark ] "jesus christ, vampire hunter" [Thomas Rodebaugh ] Re: march of the crabs ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" ] Re: It's All Over My Database, Baby Blue [Eb ] Open Letter to Capuchin [The Great Quail ] Grovelling for tunes again ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: My Next CD Purchase ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" ] soon to be available on CD? [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: It's All Over My Database, Baby Blue [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: It's All Over My Database, Baby Blue [Fric Chaud ] Robert Lindsay [Jill Brand ] help on MP3s [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: It's All Over My Database, Baby Blue ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a ] Re: soon to be available on CD? ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy ha] Re: soon to be available on CD? [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Open Letter to Capuchin ["matt sewell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:35:29 EST From: BLATZMAN@aol.com Subject: Teenage Mutant Ninja Lucas In a message dated 2/5/2003 8:13:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org writes: > Oh, and I totally disagree with the unsuckiness of Attack of the Clones. > Lucas can't write and that kid can't act My dear friend Cappucino, you forgot to mention that the dude can't direct either!!!! Lucas is his own worst enemy and I think he is a talentless writer. I often wonder what Empire Strikes Back would have been like if Lucas directed it. Imagine Jar Jars dad in the great Snow-walker scene: I see Jar-Jar's dad, Jarhead, clinging onto the leg of a Snow-walker as if he's having a great time. He screams, in his wacky loony-tunes sort of way... "wwhwhwhhhaaaaooooO!!!!!!! Mee Soooo Cwazy!!!!!! Forget Star Wars.... The Matrix and Lord of the Rings are the new fantasy films of our times. I'm a big Potter fan, too, and actually think when all is said and done, it will be the greatest film series of all time. The source material just keeps getting betters, and I have faith that the films will to. Then again, I suspect most people on this list would think my tastes in film are horrendous. I actually think Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is one of the greatest films of all times, and it's the type of film I aspire to be a part of... Problem Child was pretty amazing to, but Problem Child 2 was utterly forgettable. And don't get me started on The Secret of the Ooze... Not since Simple Minds' Once Upon A Time was I THAT disgusted.... Dave ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:41:16 -0500 From: "bibi gellert" Subject: nz music James Dignan wrote: "I'm also belatedly discovering how good Garageland are." I love Garageland! My favorite is "Do what you Want" but I just got "Scorpio Writing" I think they are criminally under-rated. For those unfamiliar with them, they play high energy rock/pop-just classic straight forward fun music. I had the pleasure to meet Jeremy Eade and Campbell Smith once. Happy Watangi Day, James! bibi --- bibigellert@earthlink.net--- EarthLink: It's your Internet. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:19:44 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: these things just happen to me A phrase will just pop into my head for no reason, and sometimes it will have a tag attached telling me what it's for. In this case, it's a band name (wasn't someone here looking for one recently?): A Thousand Falling Pianos Works only if there's no piano in the group. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad np: mix CD from a guy on another mailing list; currently, the Beards; recently, a Finnish fiddle group ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:28:46 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Do they taste more like Dungeness or Blue Crabs? One Michael, then another: >> [stifled screeching and rending noises as of a researcher being mutilated >> by vast pincer-like claws] >>So much for our tax policy discussions. Well, the same creator who named those crabs knows the name of their victim. So, Stalin, I guess. Nothing like the threat of giant mutant arthropods to draw us all together as a society. Go crabs! We must build giant artificial crabs to combat them. Krabs, if you will. Real question: where are the prawns? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:36:26 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Where have all the Yodas gone? There was another, possibly female, um, Yodian on the Jedi council in Ep. I. It was a puppet like the trad. Yoda. That orange one-eyed guy at the end, I dunno; he was played by a little person but maybe he was meant to be a "younger" person of the species, like 300 years old instead of 800-some? Those billboards on Coruscant were really effective. I haven't been able to get out of the grocery store without picking up some blue milk and bantha nuggets since I saw that film. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:17:54 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: It's All Over My Database, Baby Blue Eb speaks of: >>The Southern Death Doors I prefer to call them the Cult Police Doors, 'cause at least I can sing that to the tune of a Clash song, thus involving a band I actually like. ________ Fire up the databases, here's another one for you. What single composition do you own the most copies of? While I don't have the ability to check this easily, for me the answer almost absolutely has to be "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue". In addition to what must be six or so versions by Dylan himself, I have a few copies apiece of the two distinct versions by the Byrds, the one by Them, and the one by the 13th Floor Elevators; last year alone I ended up with Robyn's version, the Bunnymen's, and yet another one by Bob himself. And I'm sure I'm forgetting some. For bonus points there's Beck's "Jackass", based on a loop from the Them version of IAONBB, and "Burro", his Spanish version of same, not to mention Neil Young's "Barstool Blues" which is practically the same song. And I have covers of THAT one by both Soul Asylum and the Wedding Present. - -Rex np Gene Clark, "No Other" (he sounds a lot like Gene Clark to me, James!) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:32:08 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: It's All Over My Database, Baby Blue On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Rex.Broome wrote: > What single composition do you own the most copies of? blue bayou is even with i can't help myself. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 10:47:50 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: My Next CD Purchase http://www.buymulletsrock.com/ - -t "Mississippi Queen" c ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:13:29 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Rodebaugh Subject: "jesus christ, vampire hunter" i thought if fegs hadn't seen this, they might want to: http://www.beliefnet.com/frameset.asp?boardID=49703&pageloc=/story/119/story_11900_1.html i don't know what to think about this, except: does this really exist? weird. tom *************************** *Tom Rodebaugh * *Graduate Student, UNC-CH * *tlr3@email.unc.edu * *************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:24:27 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: march of the crabs At 10:15 AM -0500 2/5/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "gSs" and whispered: >> But read this and _tremble_: >> > >isn't moscowtimes the cccp version of theonion? :> After reading a few other stories and opinion peices on the site, I can honestly say I'm not sure. Mike - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 11:27:50 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: "jesus christ, vampire hunter" At 02:13 PM 2/5/2003 -0500, Thomas Rodebaugh wrote: >i don't know what to think about this, except: does this really exist? There is an Internet Movie DataBase entry for the film: http://us.imdb.com/Title?0311361 - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:42:54 -0000 From: "melissa" Subject: Re: "jesus christ, vampire hunter" Yes it does and it's very very funny. The Washington Psychotronic Film Society, www.wpfs.org, showed it last year. It's a wonderful kung fu musical about Jesus taking on lesbian vampires with the help of el santo. As I recall the website for the film gave a pretty accurate impression of it. Our favorite scenes were of jesus taking on atheists in a park which was about 5 minutes of people pouring out of a car (think clown car) to get tkaen out by Jesus' martial arts skills and the picking outfits scenes. DC fegs, keep your eyes open - I think WPFS might show it again since it was standing room only last time. Melissa > i don't know what to think about this, except: does this really exist? > > weird. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 11:59:23 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: It's All Over My Database, Baby Blue >Fire up the databases, here's another one for you. What single composition do you own the most copies of? >While I don't have the ability to check this easily, for me the answer >almost absolutely has to be "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue". In my case, I'm pretty sure it's "Hey Joe." Maybe depending on whether you meant "most copies," or "most copies by different artists." I saw "alaska!" last night (they like you to punctuate it that way). Sort of an Elliott Smith-type act, formed by two guitar-strumming guys who are also in the current incarnation of the Folk Implosion. (And yeah, Lou Barlow was in the audience.) More recently, they added a female drummer who used to be in the Red Aunts. Part acoustic, part electric. It was...ok. Secondhand buys at Amoeba: the new Tall Dwarfs disc, Great Lakes/The Distance Between, Luna's out-of-print CD5 on No. 6 (five B-sides, including a Talking Heads cover) and Peter Gabriel/OVO. >I actually think Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is one of the > greatest films of all times, and it's the type of film I aspire to >be a part of... WOW. I saw "Storytelling," the other night. Not as disturbing as I expected ("Happiness" creeped me out more), but still a pretty unsettling film. I didn't really like it, actually -- an 87-minute film divided into two *mini-films* inevitably will be a bit short on substance. My current tapes in progress are "Burden of Dreams" and "Alphaville." I saw "Alphaville" years ago, but barely remember a thing about it so it was due for a second shot. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 15:42:19 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Open Letter to Capuchin Jeme writes, > I really doubt that. NASA doesn't do anything to empower the poor. It > uses public money to make rich people richer and re-enforces the idea that > there is a class of "better" people (namely, the astronauts). Yet again, you just leave me speechless. Jeme, you really are the only member of this List I was ever happy to see depart. So far, since your return, you have spouted nothing but you typical self-serving, crypto-Marxist, deliberately inflammatory garbage. So far, since your return, I have not allowed myself to get sucked into your no-win zone of intellectual bullyism and argument for argument's sake, and I won't do so now, either, regarding the above comment. But I have to say something.... Having you back is like rediscovering the taste of something awful. You are a lead balloon, and as far as I can tell, your only purpose around here is to say things that upset people. And it's not just your asinine reductionism, as so aptly demonstrated by your statement quoted above. Nor is it necessarily your politics -- after all, I get along fine with people ever farther left than you. And sometimes you even make some good points, and occasionally cause me to think herder than I normally would. No, It's your whole tone, the very tenor of your posts, and all the twisted, slimy things I glimpse just beneath their surface. I believe that you truly have to be one of the most unhappiest creatures on the face of the earth; and I believe that you like making other people unhappy, too. I know we've had arguments before, and once in a while the other would say something personal; and I always tried to back off. But I realize something now -- I don't *have* to like you just because you are a Feg. Nor do I have to pretend that you can change into what I would consider a "better person." You are what you are, and I am what I am. And dammit, I don't care how many people flame me for this letter -- and I probably deserve to get taken to task for abusing this kindly forum -- I just have to step to the soapbox and confess my true feelings. After this, I can go back to ignoring you. It's not that I would bar you from the List -- in fact, I would fight to keep anyone *on* the List, including you; and it's not that I think you aren't intelligent. You are obviously a very intelligent man. I actually don't know exactly why I feel compelled to post this "open letter," and part of me is truly sorry -- in fact, I plan on hitting "send" soon, so as not to lose my nerve. But for whatever reason -- simple pettiness, a public testimonial, temporary ill-humor, spite, a delusion that I perhaps speak for others -- I just will feel better getting this off my chest, and publicly at that. - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:51:31 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Grovelling for tunes again A friend and I are putting together a compilation of tunes by utterly forgotten '80's bands. He has a few on his list that we haven't been able to find in digital form. Eventually I'll be able to get ahold of his vinyl copies and digitize them myself, but it may take a while, so I thought I'd toss out a call to the feglist for any easily transferred digital versions of the following songs: Easterhouse - Out on Your Own Gaye Bykers on Acid - Git Down The Three o' Clock - I Go Wild The Lucy Show - Sad September nb. These songs are from my friend's list. Unfortunately, mine has even worse stuff on it! Thanks, Rex ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 12:22:14 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: My Next CD Purchase At 10:47 AM -0800 2/5/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "Tom Clark" and whispered: >http://www.buymulletsrock.com/ I resent the conflation of Loverboy with Mountain. Mike - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 15:44:45 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: My Next CD Purchase > At 10:47 AM -0800 2/5/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is > around called themselves "Tom Clark" and whispered: > >http://www.buymulletsrock.com/ > > I resent the conflation of Loverboy with Mountain. I would quibble most with the inclusion of Argent, but that being said I already own 31 of 35 songs on either their original release or a compiliation (and no, "The Stroke" is not one of them). Good God. You could probably pare that list down by about 2/3rds and get one smokin' CD's worth of "sheer rock genius" (sheer rock?) without having to plow through the rest of it...but then MulletMania is all about excess baby! Michael "no wait, that's Rammstein for skinheads, not mullets" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 11:04:24 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: soon to be available on CD? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:48:06 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: It's All Over My Database, Baby Blue Quoting Eb : > I saw "alaska!" last night (they like you to punctuate it that way). Can we stop this? Every other goddamned act these days wants to write their name all in lowercase, italicized, with an exclamation mark, in 72-point Futura Extra-Black Bold, only running up and down. And ninny journalists see a band's new release, note that their designer has now written the name aLaSKa, and decide that, oh, the band has changed its name... Do all that in yr graphic design - but for the rest of us, the band's name is Alaska. (I'll allow the exclamation mark in Abunai! but only because the phrase is intrinsically an exclamation - Japanese for "look out!") ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 17:51:58 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: My Next CD Purchase Quoting Mike Wells : > > >http://www.buymulletsrock.com/ I don't think the ELO and Hollies tracks belong - just not lunkheaded enough, and the ELO is rather...*fancy* for yr monster-truck-lovin' types - but... I used to think Bowie invented the mullet circa Ziggy Stardust, but I saw Little Richard in an ad the other night, and it occurred to me that he had a mullet even sooner. What y'all think? - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 19:11:42 -0500 From: Fric Chaud Subject: Re: It's All Over My Database, Baby Blue On 5 Feb 2003 at 12:32, gSs wrote: > blue bayou is even with i can't help myself. Gregory, your english makes me feel good of mine. - -- Fric Chaud ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:56:01 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: It's All Over My Database, Baby Blue Regarding "Alaska!": I have heard their music, they opened up for Elliott Smith in Dec 2001. Ehhhh. I like the old Alaska better, which was a band Chris Stamey (ex-dB's) formed in the mid 90's. I think the only thing that got released, though, was an EP issued through the Hello CD Club. =jbj= On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Eb wrote: > >Fire up the databases, here's another one for you. What single composition > do you own the most copies of? > >While I don't have the ability to check this easily, for me the answer > >almost absolutely has to be "It's All Over Now, Baby Blue". > > In my case, I'm pretty sure it's "Hey Joe." Maybe depending on > whether you meant "most copies," or "most copies by different > artists." > > I saw "alaska!" last night (they like you to punctuate it that way). > Sort of an Elliott Smith-type act, formed by two guitar-strumming > guys who are also in the current incarnation of the Folk Implosion. > (And yeah, Lou Barlow was in the audience.) More recently, they added > a female drummer who used to be in the Red Aunts. Part acoustic, part > electric. It was...ok. > > Secondhand buys at Amoeba: the new Tall Dwarfs disc, Great Lakes/The > Distance Between, Luna's out-of-print CD5 on No. 6 (five B-sides, > including a Talking Heads cover) and Peter Gabriel/OVO. > > >I actually think Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is one of the > > greatest films of all times, and it's the type of film I aspire to > >be a part of... > > WOW. > > I saw "Storytelling," the other night. Not as disturbing as I > expected ("Happiness" creeped me out more), but still a pretty > unsettling film. I didn't really like it, actually -- an 87-minute > film divided into two *mini-films* inevitably will be a bit short on > substance. > > My current tapes in progress are "Burden of Dreams" and "Alphaville." > I saw "Alphaville" years ago, but barely remember a thing about it so > it was due for a second shot. > > Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:18:36 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: soon to be available on CD? James offers: > Subject: soon to be available on CD? > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/entertainment/2728595.stm My God, that's the funniest thing I've read in months. But the last sentence is the clincher: "The performance follows a legal case in which composer Mike Batt was forced to pay a six-figure sum to Cage's publishers, who accused him of plagiarising a silent piece of music." (pause) Ok, I give the fuck up. Michael "can you hear me now?" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:51:04 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: Robert Lindsay Michael wrote: " Robert Lindsay might be able to crack it if he can dumb himself down a little, but not too much." Oooooh, I love Robert Lindsay. Did you ever see Give Us Break, in which he played a petty criminal/snooker enthusiast? Wicked. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:02:23 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: help on MP3s Sorry about the duplicate posting, but...can anyone here help me out with an MP3 of two tracks: Eugene Chadbourne & Shockabilly's "People Are Strange" and the Sandpipers' version of "Louie Louie" (on the first Rhino "Louie Louie" comp). Let me know offlist - much obliged in advance, et cet. .Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I suspect that the first dictator of this country will be called "Coach" :: --William Gass ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 16:04:30 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: It's All Over My Database, Baby Blue At 5:48 PM -0600 2/5/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" and whispered: >Quoting Eb : > >> I saw "alaska!" last night (they like you to punctuate it that way). > >Can we stop this? Every other goddamned act these days wants to write their >name all in lowercase, italicized, with an exclamation mark, in 72-point >Futura Extra-Black Bold, only running up and down. My favorite is Caroliner Rainbow Exposure Purple Trigonometry Fence Archive Metropolis Spigot Terrarium Glue, whose name is the words "Caroliner Rainbow" followed by 8 arbitrary words to be determined by the speaker. Most of their reviewers obey this convention. Mike - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 19:54:56 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: soon to be available on CD? At 7:18 PM -0600 2/5/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "Michael Wells" and whispered: >James offers: > >> Subject: soon to be available on CD? >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/low/entertainment/2728595.stm > >My God, that's the funniest thing I've read in months. But the last >sentence >is the clincher: > >"The performance follows a legal case in which composer Mike Batt was >forced >to pay a six-figure sum to Cage's publishers, who accused him of >plagiarising a silent piece of music." > If you follow the link at the bottom of the page to the original story, it's pretty funny. "In July Batt attempted to prove his silent track differed from Cage's by staging a performance of the piece. Peters Edition responded by hiring a clarinettist, to perform Cage's silent composition. " Not only that, but on the cd the piece in question, "A Minute's Silence", was credited to "Batt/Cage". ooh! Mike - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:11:12 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: soon to be available on CD? Quoting "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" : > >"The performance follows a legal case in which composer Mike Batt was > >forced > >to pay a six-figure sum to Cage's publishers, who accused him of > >plagiarising a silent piece of music." > > > Not only that, but on the cd the piece in question, "A Minute's > Silence", > was credited to "Batt/Cage". ooh! This is actually where Batt fucked up: by acknowledging that he'd stolen the concept. Although I have to wonder, since one doesn't need permission to do a cover, what the problem is here...presumably the co-composition credit? It makes a bit more sense if you think of Cage's piece as conceptual art, and Batt as stealing the idea. But how can it be plagiarism if he credited Cage? Of course, I rather suspect Cage himself would be in hysterics over this one - - that the publishers are attempting to assert conventional copyright definitions over such a piece would strike him, I'm guessing, as completely absurd. Batt himself upped the absurdity...by claiming, apparently with a straight face, that the "Cage" in question wasn't John Cage, but "Clint Cage" which, he explained, was Batt's artistic alter ego... I've gotta laugh at the publisher's greed: some years back, I jokingly noted that I'd composed a piece consisting only of the note E...and was going to be suing every piece of music composed afterwards which used that note since, every time one did, it was using my piece in its entirety without permission. Too bad I didn't write Boosey & Hawkes to copyright it - I could be a wealthy man today... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 22:24:10 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: soon to be available on CD? Quoting Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey : > Although I have to wonder, since one doesn't need permission to > do > a cover, what the problem is here...presumably the co-composition > credit? I read around a bit: apparently the real issue is that Batt hadn't paid mechanical royalties - which, of course, has to happen when a cover is released. (Incidentally, the whole thing was settled out of court with Batt making a contribution to some trust or foundation honoring Cage's works.) The British music lawyer who's quoted downlink from the original article has a curious idea: he suspected that the case (had it gone to trial) wouldn't have stood because, he felt, music is notes. This is poor musical understanding: silence is, and always has been, a huge part of music, not just for avant garde conceptual artists. Would the opening of Beethoven's 5th (duh-duh-duh daah...) be as effective if all the notes were sustained until the next ones entered? No - the silence (rests) is part of the piece. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: "Music is the cup that holds the wine of silence" :: Robert Fripp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:01:51 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Robyn Hitchcock--Rhythm Room Don't miss this one: http://www.rhythmroom.com/calendar.html Feb. 19 Clear Channel Presents Robyn Hitchcock 7:30 pm Doors open at 6:30 $18 advance, $20 day of show (Tickets available at Ticketmaster - 480-784-4444) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Feb 2003 10:02:36 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Open Letter to Capuchin Without any rancour to anyone, I'd have to point out that I couldn't agree less with this. Also I think humourless personal attacks like this don't really have a place on the list. Cheers Matt >From: The Great Quail >Reply-To: The Great Quail >To: Fegmaniax! >Subject: Open Letter to Capuchin >Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 15:42:19 -0500 > >Jeme writes, > > > I really doubt that. NASA doesn't do anything to empower the poor. It > > uses public money to make rich people richer and re-enforces the idea that > > there is a class of "better" people (namely, the astronauts). > >Yet again, you just leave me speechless. Jeme, you really are the only >member of this List I was ever happy to see depart. So far, since your >return, you have spouted nothing but you typical self-serving, >crypto-Marxist, deliberately inflammatory garbage. > >So far, since your return, I have not allowed myself to get sucked into your >no-win zone of intellectual bullyism and argument for argument's sake, and I >won't do so now, either, regarding the above comment. But I have to say >something.... > >Having you back is like rediscovering the taste of something awful. You are >a lead balloon, and as far as I can tell, your only purpose around here is >to say things that upset people. > >And it's not just your asinine reductionism, as so aptly demonstrated by >your statement quoted above. Nor is it necessarily your politics -- after >all, I get along fine with people ever farther left than you. And sometimes >you even make some good points, and occasionally cause me to think herder >than I normally would. No, It's your whole tone, the very tenor of your >posts, and all the twisted, slimy things I glimpse just beneath their >surface. I believe that you truly have to be one of the most unhappiest >creatures on the face of the earth; and I believe that you like making other >people unhappy, too. > >I know we've had arguments before, and once in a while the other would say >something personal; and I always tried to back off. But I realize something >now -- I don't *have* to like you just because you are a Feg. Nor do I have >to pretend that you can change into what I would consider a "better person." >You are what you are, and I am what I am. > >And dammit, I don't care how many people flame me for this letter -- and I >probably deserve to get taken to task for abusing this kindly forum -- I >just have to step to the soapbox and confess my true feelings. After this, I >can go back to ignoring you. It's not that I would bar you from the List -- >in fact, I would fight to keep anyone *on* the List, including you; and it's >not that I think you aren't intelligent. You are obviously a very >intelligent man. I actually don't know exactly why I feel compelled to post >this "open letter," and part of me is truly sorry - -- in fact, I plan on >hitting "send" soon, so as not to lose my nerve. But for whatever reason -- >simple pettiness, a public testimonial, temporary ill-humor, spite, a >delusion that I perhaps speak for others - -- I just will feel better getting >this off my chest, and publicly at that. > >--Quail - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ It's fast, it's easy and it's free! Click here to download MSN Messenger ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #43 *******************************