From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #42 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, February 5 2003 Volume 12 : Number 042 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Wreck Of The Arthur Lee [crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com] Where are all the other Yodas? ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: Where are all the other Yodas? [Capuchin ] Thought I heard NASA clapping... [Tom Clark ] Re: Shuttle/NZ music/Phil [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] The Southern Death Doors [Eb ] Fwd: Polyphonic Spree Internet Ticket Presale Feb 6th [steve ] Re: Shuttle [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] The Animatrix [Steve Talkowski ] Re: The missing Avenger planes... ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Crabwise ["Mike Wells" ] Re: Crabwise [Michael R Godwin ] Re: The missing Avenger planes... [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:57:53 +0000 (GMT) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Wreck Of The Arthur Lee Friend had a spare ticket, but I had too much work. Aaaaaaargh!! Apparently he played on 7 and 7 Is and one other number my friend couldn't identify. Arthur introduced Robyn as Alfred. Hilarious.... Joe PS What special guests is Robyn going to drum up for his do? Who would Fegs want? (Besides Barrett, Drake, Lennon and Harrison...) Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 13:32:19 0000 From: Bill Pannifer Subject: robyn & arthur Wasn't there, but I'm told Robyn joined Arthur Lee and Forever Changes band (inc strings) in London at the Festival Hall last night (3rd Feb) and jammed on the encores. More if I hear anything. Believe in Love! bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 08:02:12 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Where are all the other Yodas? This weekend I watched Star Wars: Attack of the Clones on DVD and found it surprisingly non-sucky. The sound was spectacular, the CG awesome, it had considerably less bad acting than the previous one, and it even stole bug ideas from the best sci-fi movie of all time, Starship Troopers. It occurred to me, though: is there only one Yoda? Is he, like an old, gnarled human gone all wrinkly because of the Force (like a light-sabre-wielding Gollum)? Or is there a planet full of Yodas, who all live in trees, puff on pipes, and wait for unsuspecting Skywalkers to fall out of the sky? obYodaQuote: FBI Man: Well could you describe the jammies? Nathan Arizona Sr.: I don't what is damn jammies looked like...they had Yodas and shit on them. . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:25:01 +0000 (GMT) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: Wreck Of The Arthur Lee Robyn played on 7 and 7 Is and Singing Cowboy. Joe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 11:33:48 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The missing Avenger planes... Stewart: >>(remember, I trained as a materials engineer, so my cool will be different to >>yours*) >>*: I play banjo. See? But wait, I'm one of the other banjo-fegs, so that is a point of shared coolness. Do you think if I brush up on material engineering, it'll help me with my frailing? ________ Phil Spector is nuts as we've known for years. Between that and Courtney Love being arrested for verbal abuse (heh) this is shaping up as the Week of Predictable Celebrity Meltdowns. Those upcoming Michael Jackson documentaries show no signs of stemming the tide. _______ Shuttle coverage and Bush's statement etc.: Jeez, none of this stuff bugged me much at all, just because it was so predictable. Who really expected restrained news coverage? Who really expected Bush not to try to out-God Reagan's Challenger eulogy? I guess I've gotten to the point where I reserve my disgust for those entities for their mishandling of egregious events that really count. Believe me, there's plenty of that coming up. It just seemed like the average, expected reaction to a major news event circa 2003. And since the event itself mattered to me on a level other than the political, I was able to tune out the white noise and glean what I needed from the coverage. Maybe I was the only one? Jason: >>I agree with Rex that there is something special about people in space >>but I think we should be sending people into space to serve a meaningful >>purpose. Not just do experiments that could be otherwise automated. >>Seriously working towards a return to the moon and eventually to Mars >would be cool. Yeah, that's where the underfunding really hits the program, moreso than the safety issues. They're stuck maintaining the shuttle fleet that should've been out of service years ago to build a space station that was supposed to be done more than a decade ago, and there's no money to start new initiatives that really would fuel the public imagination. Pathfinder really pointed out that there is an avid interest even in something as simple as remote controlling a very slow skateboard on the surface of Mars. But it's starting to look like a fluke that it even worked. Anyhow... _____________ Dragged out my copy of "Good News for Modern Man" and am listening to it right now. It's still pretty good. Even the predicted sonic "take that!"-- in this case a 1:34 Velvets skronk amusingly titled "Let Rosemary Rock Him, Laura-Louise"-- goes down pretty easily. Strong melodies and good vocal perfomances. I'll spin it a few more times today and try to penetrate the lyrics and see where it ends up. ________ Bill: >>Wasn't there, but I'm told Robyn joined Arthur Lee and Forever Changes band >>(inc strings) in London at the Festival Hall last night (3rd Feb) and >>jammed on the encores. More if I hear anything. What , if anything, do we know about any personal interaction between Arthur and Robyn? Apparently Mr. Lee doesn't hold a grudge for being called a "wreck"... if he ever heard aboout it... Also, any opinions on Baby Lemonade, aka "Love" for the last several years? They have a cool name and they back Lee, so there must be something going on there. Any recommendations vis a vis their records under their own name? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 11:44:23 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Joe Millionaire on 2/3/03 4:27 PM, Maximilian Lang at maximlang@hotmail.com wrote: > Does anyone watch this show? It's really not that great. I'm embarrassed to admit I actually watched this last night. It is pretty amazing how stupid these people are. Like when he and his date are eating at some five-star restaurant and he shows a unique interest in her gnocchi. He asks if they have anything in them and she replies "no, they're gnocchi." He says "I've seen them sometimes with meat in them." To which she replies "That's called ravioli." A new low. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 15:06:41 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Where are all the other Yodas? On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Eugene Hopstetter, Jr. wrote: > It occurred to me, though: is there only one Yoda? Is he, like an old, > gnarled human gone all wrinkly because of the Force (like a > light-sabre-wielding Gollum)? Or is there a planet full of Yodas, who > all live in trees, puff on pipes, and wait for unsuspecting Skywalkers > to fall out of the sky? I seem to recall an orange yoda-lookin' guy in the final scenes of Phantom Menace. Am I mistaken? Oh, and I totally disagree with the unsuckiness of Attack of the Clones. Lucas can't write and that kid can't act. The water planet thing looked freakin' great, but the commercial aspects of the cityscape on Coruscant just made me realize what poor imagination was at work there. Billboards? Those are somehow UNIVERSAL and an inevitable development of complex society? J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 16:53:34 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Thought I heard NASA clapping... "As we contaminate the sky the moon becomes a shrieking skull" Alright Buzz, - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:11:46 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Shuttle/NZ music/Phil >I am surprised (*somewhat* pleasantly) by the almost complete lack of >histrionic conspiracy theory/terrorism spin being applied to the disaster. >Like, anywhere, as far as I've seen. It's quite possible I'm speaking too >soon, though. especially since the break up of the shuttle likely happened almost directly over the Shrub's home town. I think it's simply that terrorism will have been checked as a possibility immediately, rather than as an afterthought. >> For that matter, there were almost as many people killed in a helicopter >> crash in training exercises in Afghanistan a couple days earlier (4). > >Yeah, the loss of life is not at all the reason this is being billed as a >great tragedy. Hell, if it were the loss of life, there would be a >freeway on the cover of Newsweek every week. True. Eight dead in a Sydney train crash, and 40-odd in a bungled Nigerian bank raid, both within the last week. Also a tiny news item revising the number of those who died in a Senegalese ferry disaster late last year up to 1800. >The religious aspect of Bush's speech on Saturday just disgusted me -- I >can stand it when politicians talk God in a nice ecumenical spirit, but >this sounded more like what you'd hear in some backwoods >whitewashed-cinder-block snakepit-in-the-back fundamentalist church. especially when there were people from other faiths on board. I've no way of knowing for certain, but I'd guess that neither the Israeli nor the Indian crew member was Christian, and there's no guarantee that the other five were either. >I agree with Rex that there is something special about people in space >but I think we should be sending people into space to serve a meaningful >purpose. Not just do experiments that could be otherwise automated. >Seriously working towards a return to the moon and eventually to Mars >would be cool. well, that's likely to start again soon, I'd predict, now that the space-race might be re-starting (both India and China have manned missions planned). Hey - doesn't Mike Runion work out at the Cape? If so, sympathies to him. - --- >Jeffrey: >>>Hey, since James isn't reading this: New Zealand really sucks! Yeah! Ha! >>>There, I said it! >>>ps: flags are dumb > >Ooohh James! Look what Jeffrey said! Look! He said it, for reals! heh. Yup, I saw, and replied offlist (my reply, ISTR, was "humph!" >Small article in the LA Times this weekend about the NZ music scene. Basic >question: is New Zealand the next Sweden or Detroit? (That's gotta >hurt.)Mentioned a bunch of newer bands I've never heard of. Passing nod to >Flying Nun and two "old school" NZ bands; forget who but none of my absolute >favorites-- don't think I have any records by either. Oh, well. well, the Datsuns are getting nods internationally, as are the D4, who are the better of the two IMHO. Others worth watching include Betchadupa, Liam Finn's band (his dad Neil is fairly well known). He seems to have inherited quite a few of his dad's musical talent too, which is a huge relief (talent often seems to skip a generation in music). Splitter are also not bad at all - very heavy on the Byrdsian influence at times, though ("Good to go" sounds more like Gene Clark than Gene Clark does. And they do a good cover of "Here without you"). I'm also belatedly discovering how good Garageland are. >Gunshots reported by neighbors, a dead woman in the house. Spector >under arrest with bond set very, very high. > >It's not looking good, Phil. to be honest, I suspect Phil's crazy enough that this time he went too far. Not good at all. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 17:22:01 -0800 From: Eb Subject: The Southern Death Doors [I'm surprised Morrison's parents care about this issue so intensely, given their attitude toward sonny's oeuvre] LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A reunion concert by two former members of 1960s band the Doors has sparked a lawsuit by a third member, who says they can call themselves "the Windows, the Hinges," but not "the Doors." Drummer John Densmore (news) filed a legal action in Los Angeles County Superior Court on Tuesday charging breach of contract, trademark infringement and unfair competition against keyboardist Ray Manzarek and guitarist Robby Krieger. Manzarek and Krieger have joined forces with singer Ian Astbury, formerly of 1980s rock band the Cult, and drummer Stewart Copeland, formerly of rock trio the Police, to play a concert in Los Angeles on Friday. "I'm sad and hurt that my former bandmates are misusing the logo and the name, confusing people," Densmore, 58, told Reuters in an interview. He wants them to bill themselves as "former members of the Doors. It could be Windows, the Hinges, I don't care what it is," he said. Manzarek, aged in his 60s, countered in a separate interview that Densmore's suit was "frivolous," and that he and Krieger, 57, were billing themselves as "The Doors, 21st Century." The Doors, famed for such tunes as "Light My Fire" and "Riders on The Storm," have sold more than 49 million albums since their heyday in the second half of the 1960s. They broke up a few years after mercurial lead singer Jim Morrison died of heart failure in 1971. SHOW WILL GO ON Densmore said he will not prevent Friday's show from going ahead at the Universal Amphitheater near Hollywood, because he does not want to alienate hardcore fans who do not care who's on stage. He has no desire to play with his former bandmates, but would not rule out a reunion down the road. The issue of control over a band's name pops up frequently, but mainly concerns fraudulent versions of old soul groups like the Platters and the Drifters. Just last month, Beach Boy Al Jardine was prevented by his former colleagues from touring with a group dubbed the Beach Boys Family and Friends. In the case of the Doors, the name and logo are owned by a partnership of the three survivors and the estates of Morrison and his wife, Pamela Courson. Densmore said each member of the Doors has veto power over the other three, a concept arranged by Morrison soon after the band formed in Venice, California back in 1965. The suit also names Astbury and Copeland, whom Densmore said he loves as musicians, "but it's not the Doors. That's my point here ... It shouldn't be called the Doors if there's someone other than Jim singing, y'know?" Copeland was drafted last summer when Densmore bowed out of a reunion show near Los Angeles partly because of tinnitus, and ear complaint which has since healed, and partly on principle. (The three played with Pearl Jam's Eddie Vedder at their Rock and Roll Hall of Fame induction in 1993, and with a series of guest vocalists for a televised concert in 2000, which Densmore viewed as "tributes" to Morrison.) Densmore said the elderly parents of Morrison were "livid" about the reunion show, but have not joined his lawsuit since their attorney died last weekend. Densmore said he had held frequent telephone conversations with Krieger over the past few months begging him to change the name, to no avail. Densmore said he is "slightly alienated" from Manzarek because of a widely published essay Densmore wrote condemning the use of rock music in commercials. Manzarek said he has no problem with the use of rock 'n' roll to promote products that can help the environment or the economy. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 19:35:49 -0600 From: steve Subject: Fwd: Polyphonic Spree Internet Ticket Presale Feb 6th This is an interesting band. You can see what they're about at the website - > www.thepolyphonicspree.com Begin forwarded message: > From: The Polyphonic Spree > Date: Tue Feb 4, 2003 4:32:54 PM US/Central > Subject: Polyphonic Spree Internet Ticket Presale Feb 6th > > Internet ticket presale through www.thepolyphonicspree.com on Thursday > February 6th at NOON EST. Check the pop-up window and the tour dates > page for the link. The following shows will be available: > > 4-10 Empty Bottle, Chicago, IL > 4-11 Metro, Chicago, IL > 4-12 Fine Line Music Cafe, Minneapolis, MN > 4-14 Fox Theatre & Cafe, Boulder, CO > 4-17 Richard's on Richard's, Vancouver, BC > 4-18 Graceland, Seattle, WA > 4-19 Graceland, Seattle, WA > 4-21 Aladdin Theatre, Portland, OR > 4-22 WOW Hall, Eugene, OR > 4-30 Nita's Hideaway, Tempe, AZ > > You will be required to use the following username and password. > > Username:pspree > Password:tickets - - Steve __________ "When we were getting ready to announce for the 1992 campaign, the Bush people said to us, 'Don't run this time -- wait four years and you'll have a free pass. If you do run, we'll destroy you.' And I said to Bill, 'What are they talking about -- how could they do that?' And now we're finding out." - Hillary Clinton to David Talbot, March 1998 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 21:13:36 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Shuttle On Tuesday, February 4, 2003, at 09:20 AM, Christopher Gross wrote: > The religious aspect of Bush's speech on Saturday just disgusted me -- > I > can stand it when politicians talk God in a nice ecumenical spirit, but > this sounded more like what you'd hear in some backwoods > whitewashed-cinder-block snakepit-in-the-back fundamentalist church. No matter how much Bush makes nice in public, this kind of thing is the bottom line. Shallow, pampered, drunken rich boy gets religion, thinks everybody else is gonna burn. - - Steve __________ The Bush/Nixon bond is a most peculiar union, given the immense class gap between the Man from Whittier and the would-be dynasty in Kennebunkport. And yet there's an important similarity between them after all. Despite the Bush clan's vast advantage, that crew is, oddly, just as thin-skinned and resentful as the Trickster. Like him, they never forget a slight, and always feel themselves impaired; and so-like Nixon-they tend to favor The Attack. - Mark Crispin Miller ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 23:26:47 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Shuttle Quoting steve : > No matter how much Bush makes nice in public, this kind of thing is the > bottom line. Shallow, pampered, drunken rich boy gets religion, thinks > everybody else is gonna burn. Uh, poor choice of verb there in the last sentence. However, for once Bush did speak the truth. He said something about the shuttle astronauts being now in a better place. I'm an atheist, but I still have no doubt what he says is true - since wherever they are (or aren't), Bush isn't President. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: we make everything you need, and you need everything we make ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 01:53:57 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: The Animatrix Check it out: http://whatisthematrix.warnerbros.com/index_anime.html ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 06:09:28 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: The missing Avenger planes... Rex.Broome wrote: > > Do you think if I brush up on material engineering, it'll help me > with my frailing? Dunno, but I find that thinking of alloy eutectics whilst frailing helps with my accuracy. > Pathfinder > really pointed out that there is an avid interest even in something as > simple as remote controlling a very slow skateboard on the surface of Mars. c'mon, don't forget the Near/Shoemaker probe. That was a good one. "A Delayed But Long Overdue Tribute to the Beautiful Engineers and Scientists of the NEAR/Shoemaker Team" -- Stewart (an eel -- in a bathtub -- in germany: [and in german]) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2003 01:00:17 +1300 From: "Martin Bell" Subject: Martin Bell/New Zealand/IDG is out of the office. I will be out of the office starting 31/01/2003 and will not return until 17/02/2003. I will respond to your message when I return. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 13:03:36 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Crabwise There was a snippet on the morning news about how giant crabs mutated by Stalin in fiendish Lysenkoist experiments were spreading terror as they expanded westwards from the steppes. However there doesn't appear to be any independent confirmation of this on the web. Did anyone else hear this headline? (...) Just a mo, there's a kind of scrabbling scrunching noise at the office door. I'll nip out and see what it is ... [stifled screeching and rending noises as of a researcher being mutilated by vast pincer-like claws] ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 08:05:48 -0600 From: "Mike Wells" Subject: Re: Crabwise The late Michael Godwin writes: > There was a snippet on the morning news about how giant crabs mutated by > Stalin in fiendish Lysenkoist experiments were spreading terror as they > expanded westwards from the steppes. Sure it wasn't just the Statistics and Linear Algebra faculty? > Just a mo, there's a kind of scrabbling scrunching noise at the office > door. I'll nip out and see what it is ... > > [stifled screeching and rending noises as of a researcher being mutilated > by vast pincer-like claws] So much for our tax policy discussions. Michael "let's tax the crabs next" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 14:33:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Crabwise > > There was a snippet on the morning news about how giant crabs mutated by > > Stalin in fiendish Lysenkoist experiments were spreading terror as they > > expanded westwards from the steppes. > > Just a mo, there's a kind of scrabbling scrunching noise at the office > > door. I'll nip out and see what it is ... > > [stifled screeching and rending noises as of a researcher being mutilated > > by vast pincer-like claws] On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Mike Wells wrote: > So much for our tax policy discussions. > The late Michael Godwin writes: "Ha! Take that, you cranky crustacean!" Pow! Wazzbx! "You can't finish off a tax research specialist as easily as that, Harryhausen-features!" Thwukk! Gnnump! And here it is now! You thought I was drifting off into a bizarre fegtastic wonderland, didn't you? But read this and _tremble_: Deep waters indeed ... - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 09:08:14 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: The missing Avenger planes... Quoting "Stewart C. Russell" : > Rex.Broome wrote: > > > > Do you think if I brush up on material engineering, it'll help me > > with my frailing? > > Dunno, but I find that thinking of alloy eutectics whilst frailing helps > with my accuracy. Ah, Alloy Eutectics, the sultry Grecian goddess of love...her career sorta disappeared after that scandal with the Argentinian general. I often think of her while frailing. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal and :: winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 10:15:07 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: march of the crabs > But read this and _tremble_: > isn't moscowtimes the cccp version of theonion? :> here they come, start melting the butter. gSs ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #42 *******************************