From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #41 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, February 4 2003 Volume 12 : Number 041 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Matthew Seligman Interview [brian@lazerlove5.com] RE: Nil Fun ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] Maybe the People Would Be the LA Times or Between Canada and New Zealand ["Rex.Broome" ] o'brian etc. ["ross taylor" ] Re: o'brian etc. ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: o'brian etc. ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: o'brian etc. ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Shuttle [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: reap ["FS Thomas" ] Joe Millionaire ["Maximilian Lang" ] RE: Shuttle ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] Re: Shuttle [Tom Clark ] Spector [Eb ] more reap [Eb ] Re: Shuttle [Capuchin ] Re: o'brian etc. [Michael R Godwin ] robyn & arthur [Bill Pannifer ] Re: o'brian etc. ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: Shuttle ["Jonathan Fetter" ] Re: Shuttle [Christopher Gross ] Re: [Quail-List] You guys will like this [Christopher Gross ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 12:58:43 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: Matthew Seligman Interview If anybody wants, I have jpegs of Matthew's interview featured in Bass Player magazine. Email me privately if you want 'em. Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 09:20:57 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: Nil Fun > My VCR screwed up so I can't say what he played or how good he was, but > Neil Finn will be on the Comedy Central re-runs of Late Night with > Conan O'Brien Monday evening at 7pm (and Tuesday afternoon at 1pm). He played "human Kindness" the better of the two non-One Nil tracks on One All. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 10:15:21 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Maybe the People Would Be the LA Times or Between Canada and New Zealand Extremely sad about Columbia. Spent a lot of my childhood heavily emotionally invested in the shuttle program. Can still draw the orbiter in great detail from memory (tested by crayoning one for my daughter this weekend). I'll bet there will be some commentary about what a waste of time and money manned spaceflight is these days, how minimal the dividends are, etc. I don't really care. Space exploration on any level is one of the few human endeavors that actually excites me, stirs my emotions and makes me feel decent about humanity in general. It's a purely visceral thing for me and I make no apologies for it. I am surprised (*somewhat* pleasantly) by the almost complete lack of histrionic conspiracy theory/terrorism spin being applied to the disaster. Like, anywhere, as far as I've seen. It's quite possible I'm speaking too soon, though. _________ Jeffrey: >>Hey, since James isn't reading this: New Zealand really sucks! Yeah! Ha! >>There, I said it! >>ps: flags are dumb Ooohh James! Look what Jeffrey said! Look! He said it, for reals! Jeffrey, sorry to be a big fat narc, but come on, it would be something much more fun to fight about on the list. Small article in the LA Times this weekend about the NZ music scene. Basic question: is New Zealand the next Sweden or Detroit? (That's gotta hurt.)Mentioned a bunch of newer bands I've never heard of. Passing nod to Flying Nun and two "old school" NZ bands; forget who but none of my absolute favorites-- don't think I have any records by either. Oh, well. ______ Perry: >>Perry (who still smarts from driving all the way to >>Atlanta to see "Brain Candy" the weekend it was >>released) Just read an interview with the KITH (LA Times again) in conjunction with their current tour. They are planning a new feature. Working title "Not Brain Candy 2". - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 13:56:21 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Maybe the People Would Be the LA Times or Between Canada and New Zealand Rex Broome wrote: > > I'll bet there will be some commentary about what a waste of time and money > manned spaceflight is these days, how minimal the dividends are, etc. If there's one cool thing (remember, I trained as a materials engineer, so my cool will be different to yours*) that has come out of the shuttle program, it's the development of advanced materials with some fatigue strength. Conventional rocketry is strictly single-use. Thus it's not built to last. So materials like Pyrex and Kevlar don't really make a transition to domestic use, despite what the marketers would have us believe. Shuttle technology has to work again and again. It's a whole different mindset. Remember all the hassle with tiles and glue there was before the first flights? Better living through chemistry. > I am surprised (*somewhat* pleasantly) by the almost complete lack of > histrionic conspiracy theory/terrorism spin being applied to the disaster. > Like, anywhere, as far as I've seen. don't go looking -- you won't like it. I dipped in briefly, but don't want to go there again. Stewart (now with an un-flooded basement ...) *: I play banjo. See? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 11:04:14 -0800 From: Eb Subject: reap Phil Spector's house guest? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:18:40 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: o'brian etc. Me, re. Patrick O'Brian-- >My guess is they are frothy, but I could be wrong. Christopher Gross, -- >I'd comment on whether or not the books are frothy, but first I'd have to >know what "frothy" in this context means! At the moment I was probably thinking of anything lighter than, say, Crime and Punishment. Not sure where the scores of lovely books Anthony Trollope churned out would fit in that schema. Or maybe lighter than A Fearful Symmetry by Northrop Frye, which I am currently tunneling thru with my teaspoon-sized mental apparatus. This is part of my current tendency to explore philosophy bass-ackwards, reading lit crit that deals w/ philosophy w/out having read the philosophy. So combining Blake's prophetic books w/ trying to decide if all events are truly mental events is driving me mental. In a good way. Re. P. O'Brian, I have heard some feggish things about the books, such as bees swarming around a chart and the sailors have to number them politely, a wombat eating a hat, and the medical removal, refreshment and replacement of brains. And Kay, apparently the ship will be featured-- http://www.peterweircave.com/master/rose1.html Judging from the boat-related climactic shot of Truman Show (which I thought was worth the price of admission) Weir may already have a thing for boats. Or ships. - --- And I can see I have to check out Flann O'Brian since the wife is an Irish lit freak. - --- I'm sad about the Columiba, but man, the coverage seems overblown. I'm sorry for the families & I can see the astronauts as celebrities & heroes of a kind (I am a bit of a romantic about space flight), but twice as many people died recently in a North Carolina plane crash. I can't help feeling that all this gushing about the "loss of life" is really about budget, PR and politics. - --- Musically, I've just discovered Michael Hurley. Of course I immediately went to the most pop thing in his catalog & figured out how to play "Sweet Lucy." Ross Taylor "The Last Wombat in Mecca" --Steve Miller Band Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:33:48 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: o'brian etc. >From: "ross taylor" >Subject: o'brian etc. >Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:18:40 -0500 >I'm sad about the Columiba, but man, the coverage seems overblown. >I'm >sorry for the families >& I can see the astronauts as celebrities & heroes of a kind (I am a >bit >of a romantic about >space flight), but twice as many people died recently in a North Carolina >plane crash. I can't >help feeling that all this gushing about the "loss of life" is really > >about budget, PR and politics. I do think that with the inherent risk of space travel that we should not be too surprised about this accident. I do agree that the media has overdone the coverage, as usual. I went to cnn.com and usatoday.com and couldn't find any other headlines, did the world stop because 7 people on a highly dangerous mission died? I agree that it probably has more to do with the multi billion dollar shuttle program. Max Max _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 14:35:30 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: o'brian etc. ross taylor wrote: > > Musically, I've just discovered Michael Hurley. whee, this place is getting better! Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:21:20 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: o'brian etc. > Re. P. O'Brian, I have heard some feggish things about the books, such as bees swarming > around a chart and the sailors have to number them politely, a wombat eating a hat, and the > medical removal, refreshment and replacement of brains. And let us not forget the time the ship was covered with exhausted quails, and the chaplain saved them from the sailors by reading the tract about Kibbroth-Hattava. And there was a sloth, which I think is a rather feggish animal. Jon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:02:38 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Shuttle "Rex.Broome" wrote: > Extremely sad about Columbia. Spent a lot of my childhood > heavily emotionally invested in the shuttle program. Can still > draw the orbiter in great detail from memory (tested by > crayoning one for my daughter this weekend). It's always been one of those things that I never cared much about the details, but I was glad it was going on. > I'll bet there will be some commentary about what a waste of > time and money manned spaceflight is these days, how minimal > the dividends are, etc. I don't really care. Space > exploration on any level is one of the few human > endeavors that actually excites me, stirs my emotions and makes > me feel decent about humanity in general. It's a purely > visceral thing for me and I make no apologies for it. One of my duties at work is call-screening for the Sunday morning talk show/issues program (or, as we also call it, "producing") and the first three callers (including the banned racist creep from Sacto) well all to that effect (though the first guy only wanted NASA privatized -- he's a pretty hardcore Libertarian though, so it's a matter of philosophical consistancy for him). > I am surprised (*somewhat* pleasantly) by the almost complete > lack of histrionic conspiracy theory/terrorism spin being > applied to the disaster. Like, anywhere, as far as I've seen. > It's quite possible I'm speaking too soon, though. It was nice and self-serving of the new Dept of Homeland Security to immediately issue a press release saying it almost assuredly wasn't terrorism too. Not that it could've been -- if you can hitting a target moving 12500 MPH at 39 miles in the air with a surface to air missile, you're the best damn shot in the history of the frigging Earth. Also nice how quickly little Georgie rushed down to give us that serious speech about what had just happened, as if the disintegration of the shuttle hadn't clued us all into the fact that everyone on board had been killed. I know he has to make a statement, but just once could he try not being condescending about it. Truly disgraceful. As usual. ==== ross taylor wrote: > I'm sad about the Columbia, but man, the coverage seems > overblown. I'm sorry for the families & I can see the > astronauts as celebrities & heroes of a kind (I am a bit > of a romantic about space flight), but twice as many people > died recently in a North Carolina plane crash. I can't > help feeling that all this gushing about the "loss of life" is > really about budget, PR and politics. The local ABC affiliate here in SF decided not to show Star Wars sunday night because of it, which I thought was an odd decision. For that matter, there were almost as many people killed in a helicopter crash in training exercises in Afghanistan a couple days earlier (4). I thought I saw something about 5 people being fired from NASA for complaining that the Bushisistas had been cutting back on safety measures and protocols. If that's the case, I guess it's just par for the course them though. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 19:04:31 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: reap Gunshots reported by neighbors, a dead woman in the house. Spector under arrest with bond set very, very high. It's not looking good, Phil. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Eb Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 2:04 PM To: fgz Subject: reap Phil Spector's house guest? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 19:27:23 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Joe Millionaire Does anyone watch this show? It's really not that great. Here are a couple of quotes from last week that I think were pretty amusing, thought I would pass them along. "If I had money and time, I'd want to go to a third world country and bathe their children, give shots, things like that. That's me. I'm a mercenary kind of person" Melissa. "I don't think she's really domesticated, and not that I'm looking for a woman that's domesticated." Evan. _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 16:28:23 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: Shuttle Rex wrote: > I'll bet there will be some commentary about what a waste of > time and money manned spaceflight is these days, how minimal > the dividends are, etc. I don't really care. Space > exploration on any level is one of the few human > endeavors that actually excites me, stirs my emotions and makes > me feel decent about humanity in general. It's a purely > visceral thing for me and I make no apologies for it. Some interesting articles by Gregg Easterbrook have surface on the whole shuttle thing. First a shockingly prescient Article from 1980 on the inherrant flaws of the shuttle: http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2001/8004.easterbrook-fulltext .html And new article in light of the Columbia accident: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030210-418518,00.ht ml I agree with Rex that there is something special about people in space but I think we should be sending people into space to serve a meaningful purpose. Not just do experiments that could be otherwise automated. Seriously working towards a return to the moon and eventually to Mars would be cool. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 16:47:34 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Shuttle on 2/3/03 4:28 PM, Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) at v-jasobr@microsoft.com wrote: > I agree with Rex that there is something special about people in space > but I think we should be sending people into space to serve a meaningful > purpose. Not just do experiments that could be otherwise automated. > Seriously working towards a return to the moon and eventually to Mars > would be cool. Apparently Michael Jackson has enlisted his close personal friend Uri Geller to assist him in realizing his dream of actually walking on the moon. I'm all for it, as long as it's a one-way trip. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:27:38 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Spector If you want to read a really fascinating, recent interview with Phil Spector, scroll down this page: http://velvetrope.starpolish.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=UBB1&Number=268046&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=2 Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 22:46:45 -0800 From: Eb Subject: more reap KATHIE LEE AND KIDS IN TEARS AS COYOTE KILLS BELOVED POOCH By JOE McGURK February 1, 2003 -- Kathie Lee Gifford is grieving for her beloved dog, Chardonnay, who was killed near the family's Connecticut home by a coyote who pounced on the petite pooch. Tuesday's attack on the 14-year-old Bichon Frise in the back yard of the Gifford home in Riverside, Conn., highlights the Greenwich suburb's growing coyote problem. Gifford said on her Web site that the dog's nickname was "Chard on Guard" because she took on the job of watchdog. On her sister Chablis' 14th birthday, Chard was "on guard in our back yard" when she was attacked, Gifford said. "I found her lifeless body out on the ice surrounding our property." "She gave her life for the family she loved," Gifford said of her "brave little furball." Paul Rigo, a spokesman for Connecticut's state wildlife division, said the number of coyotes in the area has swelled since the first sighting 50 years ago. He estimates there are 4,000 coyotes in the state. Gifford's neighbors said she had a coyote trap - but could not use it. She didn't have the required local hunting license, the Greenwich Town Clerk's office said. And, by state law, she needed the consent of her immediate neighbors - and not all were willing. "Who wants a bunch of traps around?" said one neighbor. "Everyone knows you just have to keep track of your dogs." ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 03:25:51 -0800 (PST) From: Capuchin Subject: Re: Shuttle On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > (though the first guy only wanted NASA privatized -- he's a pretty > hardcore Libertarian though, so it's a matter of philosophical > consistancy for him). Is there a so-called public agency more privatized than NASA? MOST of the employees are contract workers and pretty much ALL of the discoveries and inventions that come out of this publicly funded machine are immediately patented by private organizations and licensed back to the public at a fee. As I overheard someone saying on the radio a couple of weeks ago, NASA is just JFK's contribution to the federal governments unending quest to put public resources in the hands of private power as efficiently as possible. > Also nice how quickly little Georgie rushed down to give us that serious > speech about what had just happened, as if the disintegration of the > shuttle hadn't clued us all into the fact that everyone on board had > been killed. I know he has to make a statement, but just once could he > try not being condescending about it. Truly disgraceful. As usual. And what was with the sermon at the end? All that shit about the "prophet" Isaiah and "the creator of the stars" knowing the names of the seven who died and their ultimate "return home". Ooh, that just made my skin crawl. The asshole doesn't even try to respect the grand diversity of spiritual and metaphysical beliefs in this country (not to mention the likely slap in the face this was to the Indian member of the crew). > For that matter, there were almost as many people killed in a helicopter > crash in training exercises in Afghanistan a couple days earlier (4). Yeah, the loss of life is not at all the reason this is being billed as a great tragedy. Hell, if it were the loss of life, there would be a freeway on the cover of Newsweek every week. > I thought I saw something about 5 people being fired from NASA for > complaining that the Bushisistas had been cutting back on safety > measures and protocols. If that's the case, I guess it's just par for > the course them though. I really doubt that. NASA doesn't do anything to empower the poor. It uses public money to make rich people richer and re-enforces the idea that there is a class of "better" people (namely, the astronauts). I can't imagine the Bushisistas have even the tiniest problem with that. They hate public funding of things that help the general public indiscriminately (non-commercial broadcasting, healthcare, election financing, etc.), but LOVE public funding of projects that make certain people rich without generally improving the lot of mankind (although some artifice of this must be maintained for all the communists that still the government is the agency of the people). J. - -- _______________________________________________ Capuchin capuchin@bitmine.net Jeme A Brelin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 12:24:38 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: o'brian etc. On Mon, 3 Feb 2003, Jonathan Fetter wrote: > And let us not forget the time the ship was covered with exhausted > quails, and the chaplain saved them from the sailors by reading the > tract about Kibbroth-Hattava. And there was a sloth, which I think is a > rather feggish animal. Maturin and some locals are getting quietly wasted on coca leaves in the South American jungle, and some doormat-looking creature farts copiously. Is that a sloth? Or is it an anteater? Can't remember. On another occasion they are tramping across the high Andes (O'B has a bit of a thing about South America) and a llama spits in Maturin's face as soon as it realises that he isn't an Indian. How I laughed! But seriously, though, I'm really worried about this film. If it goes frothy it really will fall apart. Obviously Maturin has to be dead right, and Diana has got to be stunning. But I'm most anxious about the casting of Aubrey. Maturin/Aubrey is quite a close parallel to Holmes/Watson (the one saturnine, doped up and intelligent, the other bluff, hearty and physical). But it would be a disaster if Aubrey is played simply as a buffoon, as he has to show convincing qualities of leadership and decisiveness, not to mention being a skilled mathematician and a talented violinist. I don't think Iaeioun(?) Griffiths could do it, because he's too willowy. Michael York is too old and can't act anyway, though he can swashbuckle to an extent. Robert Lindsay might be able to crack it if he can dumb himself down a little, but not too much. Ideas? - - MRG n.p. King Bee + Sugar Mama from that new live Beefheart compilation. Nice! ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 13:32:19 +0000 From: Bill Pannifer Subject: robyn & arthur Wasn't there, but I'm told Robyn joined Arthur Lee and Forever Changes band (inc strings) in London at the Festival Hall last night (3rd Feb) and jammed on the encores. More if I hear anything. Believe in Love! bill ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 08:49:47 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: o'brian etc. > Maturin and some locals are getting quietly wasted on coca leaves in the > South American jungle, and some doormat-looking creature farts copiously. > Is that a sloth? Or is it an anteater? Can't remember. > > On another occasion they are tramping across the high Andes (O'B has a bit > of a thing about South America) and a llama spits in Maturin's face as > soon as it realises that he isn't an Indian. How I laughed! I forgot to mention the time that Maturin gets platypus-poisoning. What I love about Maturin is his unabashed geekishness coupled with a strong character. O'Brian really succeeded in bringing to life the naturalist/explorers of the 18th and 19th centuries in the shape of Maturin. I fear the film will concentrate too much on Aubrey as the man of action--the average public will not be interested in Maturin's "beetling" expeditions, and Maturin will fade into the background (which he does to some extent anyway). In the words of Peter Jackson, "It doesn't advance the story." > I don't think Iaeioun(?) Griffiths could do it, because he's too willowy. > Michael York is too old and can't act anyway, though he can swashbuckle to > an extent. Robert Lindsay might be able to crack it if he can dumb > himself down a little, but not too much. > > Ideas? Tom Cruise;-) So I take it Russell Crowe will be wearing a wig. What is meant by frothy in this context? Spotted Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 09:11:18 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: Shuttle What I find especially disgusting is that it takes events like this for the mainstream media to even discuss the shuttle, which is the closest they get to science coverage (apart from cloning scares and Bush's resistance to stem cell research). I didn't even know the shuttle was in orbit--friends of mine knew, only because the media was excited about the Israeli astronaut. Otherwise it was Iraq-blather, 24/7. In terms of public awareness, the 80 experiments that were lost have gotten more coverage than they would have if the shuttle had returned safely. My own reaction to the accident has been odd...I was blown away by Challenger, same for 9/11. I still have yet to react in any way to Columbia. Either I've become jaded, or burning up on re-entry is too abstract for me to react emotionally. Since Bush "leading the nation in mourning" still makes me upchuck, I guess its the latter. Just my two pfennigs, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 10:20:14 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Shuttle On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, Jonathan Fetter wrote: > What I find especially disgusting is that it takes events like this for > the mainstream media to even discuss the shuttle, which is the closest > they get to science coverage (apart from cloning scares and Bush's > resistance to stem cell research). Of course the media are interested in reporting what will get them the most viewers/readers, not what is most important. (Though to be fair, how do you judge what's most "important"?) And they generally seem to have a terribly low opinion, of their audiences, so they figure that celebrities, sex and fear will get the masses watching. Cloning only gets covered because they figure the masses fear it. Flaming crashes are more dramatic than advancing human knowledge, so the former gets covered and the latter doesn't. Flaming crashes of famous and symbolicly charged space shuttles are are more dramatic than crashes of ordinary commercial airplanes. But even the Columbia would drop to second lead if Britney Spears were arrested tomorrow for possession of cocaine. Or am I being too cynical? Cynicism is easy to overdo. Bleah. > My own reaction to the accident has been odd...I was blown away by > Challenger, same for 9/11. I still have yet to react in any way to > Columbia. Either I've become jaded, or burning up on re-entry is too > abstract for me to react emotionally. Since Bush "leading the nation > in mourning" still makes me upchuck, I guess its the latter. The religious aspect of Bush's speech on Saturday just disgusted me -- I can stand it when politicians talk God in a nice ecumenical spirit, but this sounded more like what you'd hear in some backwoods whitewashed-cinder-block snakepit-in-the-back fundamentalist church. Speaking of the mainstream media, I actually found myself agreeing with Charles Krauthammer today, in his column about manned space exploration: Re: the O'Brian movie, the trailer definitely makes it look like the focus is on Aubrey, with Maturin somewhere in the background. But if it keeps to the general plot of The Far Side of the World, there might be a chance for them to show Stephen to do some diplomacy and intelligence work. We'll see. - --Chris np: Current 93, "Lucifer over London" ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 10:26:40 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: [Quail-List] You guys will like this On Tue, 4 Feb 2003, lj lindhurst wrote: > "Get Your War On": > http://www.mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war.html I don't know about the rest of you guys, but I detest this site (which has been forwarded to me before). Its shrill yet smug tone is enough to drive me into Bush's arms. Well, almost. BTW, I too am getting that error on dumbstuff.html -- the circular picture from Ireland is all the way over to the left and covers the first paragraph of text. I'm using IE 5.5 for Windoze. But LJ's and Mary's Ireland pics are great! Happy to have working email again, Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 04 Feb 2003 10:27:33 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: oops! I just sent you Fegs a message intended for another list. Please ignore! - --clumsy Chris ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #41 *******************************