From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #32 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, January 28 2003 Volume 12 : Number 032 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: what's the frequency, kenneth? [Ken Weingold ] Re: oxford [Michael R Godwin ] Kickin' ass and naming names ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Gong News Service PSA #56 ["Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." ] Re: names in titles [Eb ] Viggo Mortensen [Ken Weingold ] RE: names in titles ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] Re: namesongs [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Lowery [Eb ] remixes, flames and names ["Eclipse Tuliphead" ] Re: remixes, flames and names [gSs ] Re: remixes, flames and names [Caroline Smith ] Re: remixes, flames and names [Eb ] Re: numbers with wings ["Michael Wells" ] Re: numbers with wings [Eb ] Re: numbers with wings [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] ps [Eb ] Re: numbers with wings [Caroline Smith ] Re: ps ["Maximilian Lang" ] RE: ps ["FS Thomas" ] Re: ps [Dolph Chaney ] Re: ps [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: oxford [brian@lazerlove5.com] Re: ps ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: ps ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" ] Re: ps ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" ] Re: ps [steve ] RE: ps ["FS Thomas" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:18:07 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: what's the frequency, kenneth? On Tue, Jan 28, 2003, Ken Ostrander wrote: > at 09:29 am 1/28/2003 -0500, ken weingold wrote: > hmm, besides the rem song with my name in it, the only one i can think > of is kenneth anger's bad dream from the auteurs. Wow, do you actually have a filter to remove all upper case letters? ;-) - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:09:02 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: oxford On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Stewart C. Russell wrote: > So how were the Soft Boys, then? I can't tell you, cos I wasn't there. But thanks to Tony's set list, I can give you a running commentary on: The Fleece and Firkin, Bristol, 26th January Kimberley tuned the guitars, as per usual. When the band came on, somewhat after 9 pm, Robyn asked us to vote for H, I or N. I voted for H, but the Is had at, and they launched into: I Love Lucy which I hadn't heard before - quite a good opener. Then back to the standards: Tonight Kingdom Of Love Queen Of Eyes My scrawled notes indicate that there was a final verse of QoE which went something like "I wish I was here, I wish I was gone, but she only wishes you would leave her alone". Anyone got anything more precise on this? After that, for all the poisonous plant fans: My Mind Is Connected To Your Dreams Then a short introduction about how his cells are no longer the same (though his DNA is unchanged) as when he wrote: Insanely Jealous so he can talk about it as if it was someone else who wasn't very happy with himself. Cracking performance, with again I think a couple of different lines. After that we had a nice reading of: Airscape "The next one is for people who like Syd Barrett. And let's face it, if you didn't like Syd Barrett, you wouldn't be here". He claimed it was the first time they had played: Chapter 24 but I've seen it on several recent set lists. Morris's backing vocals were outstanding all night, and he and Kim did a great "Sunrise" on this. Then on to: The Man With The Lightbulb Head where he didn't bibble bibble all the way through "You're too late, I've come to turn you on", but he did at the end of "on" - which was nice. After that: Mr. Kennedy with (sorry Stewart) some sensational telepathic guitar interplay. Super! Specially the bit that goes do-do do-do do-do do-do do dah-dah de do-do; quack and quack and quack and quack de do dah de do, all in harmony. Next song was: Sudden Town during which the beer finally got to me and I staggered off to the cloakroom. Robyn then announced that "Anglepoise Lamp" was supposed to be called "Seven winged bat", and all the way through: (I Want To Be An) Anglepoise Lamp he sang "Seven winged bat" rather than "Anglepoise Lamp". Did I imagine this? Finally: Underwater Moonlight contained an indictment of George Walker Bush. - ------Encore-------- They returned to play: Narcissus He's A Reptile (shouldn't really do this on the same set list as 'Tonight', there are chunks where it sounds like a re-edit of the same song). And absolutely finally, "I wrote this for Reagan and Thatcher, and now it's for Bush and Blair": I Wanna Destroy You Fine gig, interesting details on how exciting Cardiff was compared to Bristol because it had single-decker trolleybuses, rather than the usual double-deckers. The Soft Boys are made to interpret Robyn Hitchcock's songs, he ought to keep them on _permanently_. If I wanted to be critical, I'd say that the performance wasn't quite as devastating as some of the recent US reports had led me to expect - possibly because the setlist was a bit safe - but it was a feelgood night out and I got Kimberley to autograph "Great Central Revisited". - - MRG Me: Where are you from then? I'm from Neasden* KR: Cambridge. Me: But that's Great Eastern, not Great Central. How did you get into the Great Central? KR: Well, I get around quite a bit! (* Not true, but Neasden was my nearest Great Central locoshed in 1958) PS Tony, Brian: I saw you in the pub, but missed you at the gig! Where were you? I was leaning on the bar... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:32:19 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Kickin' ass and naming names MKwaPH: >>My favorite is that hendrix tribute album that came out in '95(?) or so, >>"If Sixties Was Nineties". How 'bout the Zep tribute "The Song Retains the Name"? __________ Ken: >>Hmm, besides the REM song with my name in it, the only one I can think >>of is Kenneth Anger's Bad Dream from The Auteurs. Dare I mention the G*me The*ry track with almost the same name as the REM one? It's not really a song per se, though. _____________ Kay: How about "K" by Pylon? It's pronounced the same way and Vanessa yells it very emphatically. - -Rex, who recently came into possession of a nice vinyl copy of "Chomp" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 10:59:22 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Ride, ride railway shoes So the wife and I watched "The Good Girl" on DVD last night. Real upper. Few interesting musical notes, though. First off, truly weird performance (?) by John Doe. Secondly, although someone allegedly scored the film, almost all the incidental music was Nick Drake instrumentals or instrumental passages... those pieces that were kind of born to be used on a film soundtrack (although I'm not sure if this is the film they were born for, being set in Texas and all). Still, gave it an odd unity if you know the Drake tunes, while it would've sounded like a nicely unified, stark contemporary score if you don't. Real kicker: over the ending credits we get Gillian Welch doing a song I know as "Ride On Railroad Bill", which I first heard on tapes of my dad's band from their earliest rehearsals, and later on the LP they lifted it from, Dave Guard & the Whiskey Hill Singers, both probably circa '62 or so (it's a traditional tune by most reckonings). However it was credited as "Ride, Ride" written by Anne Briggs. Odd. Looked up Anne Briggs and that's an interesting tale in itself, about which some of y'all doubtless know more than myself. Anyways, it doesn't look like there was ever a soundtrack album for the film and I would love a copy of that track (and I know my dad would like to hear it, too)... oh, well. Also interesting to note that Tim Blake Nelson can't seem to show up in a a film without Welch on the soundtrack. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:00:14 -0800 (PST) From: "Eugene Hopstetter, Jr." Subject: Re: Gong News Service PSA #56 > From: steve > > On Friday, January 24, 2003, at 08:39 AM, The Great Quail wrote: > > > GONG BACK CATALOGUE TO GET THE TREATMENT IT DESERVES Oh, missed that. That is good news. I have noticed some of the Gong albums have been given the Japanese LP-style CD reissue treatment -- I've bought a few CDs of this ilk (Khan's Space Shanty, Kinks' Something Else, etc.) and they are nice. Lots of esoteric prog/psych, such as Comus, Camel, etc. are receiving that treatment, too. FWIW, I did buy the vinyl reissue of Angel's Egg on Get Back records, and it is without a doubt one of the worst-sounding LPs I've bought in a long time. No way I'm gonna buy Get Back's reissue of Ogden's Golden Nut Flake. Now there's an album that deserves some rich reissuing. It's gonna be a good year for CD reissues. Columbia's reissuing what, 13 Dylan albums on SACD, the new remastered AC/DC catalog, and I think there are some Leonard Cohen remasters on their way, too. > All right thinking Fegs should own the Radio Gnome stuff. Agreed. . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 13:27:17 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: a clarification and an "aw shucks" So I just get back from a business trip to Philly, and I'm in full-on aw shucks mode from the nice things Kay 'n' Mike wrote. Thanks guys -- makes it that much easier to be Cheerful Tech Support Phone Boy on 5 hours' sleep... 8-) I wanted to clarify re: 'Dolph says theres a Grahme Parker "Kay Lord"' Kay's maiden name is Lord, and I mentioned to her that every time I used to see the name "Kay Lord Wisniewski," on would come the mental jukebox -- 'Kay Lord, don't ask me questions...' - -- which is all the funnier when you know that Kay's a reference librarian and hence spends all day being asked questions. Interpretive Dance of the Day: the glaze-over-half-snore-head- jerk-'thank-you-for-calling-support-I-dunno-reboot'-limbo! dolph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 11:48:46 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: names in titles >Tom - Tom's Diner (several versions); Saint Tom (Brian Eno); Oh, come on, man...you can do MUCH better than that! Start with "Just Like Tom Thumb's Blues," "Tom Violence" and "Tom Traubert's Blues"...there are several other great candidates, too. "Tom Boy," "Tom Courtenay," "Tommy Can You Hear Me," "Tommy Gets His Tonsils Out," "Tommy the Cat," "Tommy Gun"...even your local boy Chris Knox has "Uncle Tom's Cabin".... Finally saw "Amelie" last night...wow, I sure was enchanted by that one. Best film I've seen in a few months. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 14:56:38 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Viggo Mortensen I saw The Two Towers finally last night and was just looking at the IMDB for something, and noticed at Viggo Mortensen was married to Exene Cervenka from '87 to '97. WOW! I didn't know that. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 12:10:47 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: names in titles I think all the Jasons on the list can agree that we have at least one good name in the title song. XTC's "Jason and the Argonauts". ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:32:44 +0000 (GMT) From: crowbar.joe@btopenworld.com Subject: I've never shot my old lady, and Mexico doesn't appeal anyway... Try being an ornery, soap, public, Bloggs, Blow, six-pack, baxi, college, 'Joe' if you want to be irritated by people singing to you... I had a weekly pirate radio show in the '80s called The Joe Show, always started it with a track with Joe in the title or lyrics - Kept it going for nearly a year without repeating myself. If I deleted every e-mail that began Hey Joe...I wouldn't get to read many. Joe PS. Oxford gig was superb. The guitar interplay between Kim and Robyn sounds very organic now, and Matthew is coming up with even more adventurous bass lines. Robyn looked slightly porkier than his buff, gym-rat look of the last couple of years, but was in fine voice. He did away with any pretence at oblique surrealistic comment in the Underwater Moonlight section usually reserved for such excursions. He simply called George Bush 'a fucking idiot' instead. Woefully underattended. Barely 100 there, in a venue that must hold at least 3 or 4x that. It was a wet Monday in Oxford, but seems a bit of a strangely planned tour I must say... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:34:47 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: the David Lowery macing. After seeing the Camper Van show abd the horrible incident I decided to join a camper yahoo group to see what the story was. Oh boy, someone wrote to the group saying it was staged so they could leave the show early and that nothing happened. Next thing you know Lowery writes in with a long email explaining everything that happened and accusing the guy of being the one who sprayed the mace on him. Things seemed to die down when last night Lowery wrote a bunch of obscenity laced emails culminating in a lengthy one where he unsubscribed. I thought about copying them to this group but I don't want to embarrass the guy, he was fucking assaulted and all the know it alls that seem to flock to listserves can think of nothing better to do than come up with conspiracy theories. If anyone wants to read the intial email he sent describing what happened from his point of view I will forward it. Max _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 11:36:48 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: namesongs Eb: >>Had I been born female I woulda been named Roxanne.[...] > >True...I can't think of any name which would be worse to have, as far >as people constantly singing it to you as a "joke." Well, there's >Sharona. But there aren't many Sharonas out there, anyway.... an ex GF of mine (coincidentally also my webmistress) had the misfortune of Michelle. What was worse, she was named after the B**tles' song. She hates that song. Ken: Bizarrely, the only two of those Ken songs I have are the ones by Fortran 5 and the Kingston Trio. Ross: >I grimly note that my name comes up as a geographical feature in Enya's >"Orinoco Flow." it's also, geographically, in "Letter from America" by the Proclaimers. Kay: Sneaky Feelings' song "The Trouble with Kay" is on the album Sentimental Education (yeah, they're a NZ band again...).. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:05:53 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Lowery http://groups.yahoo.com/group/CamperVan-Etc/ I assume this is the list Maximilian's talking about...check out the explosion of posts during January, as compared with any other month! Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2003 00:22:20 -0000 From: "Eclipse Tuliphead" Subject: remixes, flames and names hello my little fegfriends! long time no chat! couldn't refuse chiming in on a few things here: > >I have an mp3 file that I forgot to properly label...it's a remix of > >"Sinister > >But She Was Happy" whose filename is tspigot_rmx_sinisterhappy.mp3. > > > >Is this the work of anyone here? (I like it!) What's the name of the > >remixer? > > It's the work of the boyfriend of "Eclipse Tuliphead", one of the RH > yahoogroup members. IIRC she said he did it for her birthday. Jeff, Mike is right - it is by my boyfriend's band, t spigot (http://www.tspigot.net); 'twas a bday gift to me as that's probably my favorite RH song. :) glad you like it! > From: gSs > your rant is asinine and childish. my feelings and > the way i express my feelings are unique and personal > as they are for everyone. if you don't agree with what > i say that is fine. but you don't like the way i say it, > then fuck off. your response is equally childish. in addition, you seem to be one of those types who reads what he wants to read, not what is actually written. fortunately, i skip most of your inane, pointless rants. you're on this list to troll, right? it's a shame other people feel they have to leave the list to avoid your tripe. i must chime in on the names in songs thread .. you probably all realize that "Eclipse" is not my real name. :) my name isn't as unfortunate as something like "Roxanne" (which, i think, is actually a great name, aside from the song), but close: Barbara Anne. and if i ever hear that song again, i'll cry. really, i will. :) quietly, ly, Eclipse - -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Eclipse eclipse@tuliphead.com Kindness towards all things is the true religion. - Buddha ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:36:58 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: remixes, flames and names On Wed, 29 Jan 2003, Eclipse Tuliphead wrote: > you're on this list to troll, right? troll,, noun or verb? > it's a shame other people feel they have to leave the list to > avoid your tripe. if words cause them that much trouble, they shouldn't read. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:45:18 -0500 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: remixes, flames and names On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 06:36 PM, gSs wrote: > > >> it's a shame other people feel they have to leave the list to >> avoid your tripe. > > if words cause them that much trouble, they shouldn't read. > > gSs > Some attitudes and words take away from the friendly community that this mailing list could and should be. Instead of insulting a new member, perhaps we could try welcoming them and learning from them. Antagonism is no fun and mean people suck. Caroline ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 16:59:07 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: remixes, flames and names >i must chime in on the names in songs thread .. you probably all >realize that "Eclipse" is not my real name. :) my name isn't as >unfortunate as something like "Roxanne" (which, i think, is actually >a great name, aside from the song), but close: Barbara Anne. and if >i ever hear that song again, i'll cry. really, i will. :) "Barbara Ann"! Whoa! How could I forget THAT horrible example of this phenomenon?? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:50:55 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: numbers with wings Ross > but my all time favorite numberish song, though a little > impure in terms of numbers, would be from "154" by Wire No contest my way... "2112" Michael "you knew it was coming, didn't you" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:31:37 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: numbers with wings > > but my all time favorite numberish song, though a little >> impure in terms of numbers, would be from "154" by Wire > >No contest my way... > >"2112" I might go with the Who's "1921" or the Stooges' "1969"? I think? Eb PS Lordy, I hate the applause-cue charade of the State of the Union address.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 20:44:50 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: numbers with wings Quoting Eb : > PS Lordy, I hate the applause-cue charade of the State of the Union > address.... I am not watching it, as I cannot currently afford to buy a new television, and I know if I were watching it, I'd be unable to resist the temptation to find a large, heavy, solid object to heave through the television set - although, alas, Bush does not actually inhabit the set and would remain unharmed by such an action. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 18:53:19 -0800 From: Eb Subject: ps Will Dubya *ever* master saying the word "nuclear"? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:00:04 -0500 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: numbers with wings Oooh, I have to second this and add Spacemen 3's "2:35". On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 09:31 PM, Eb wrote: > the Stooges' "1969"? I think? > > Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:01:36 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: ps >From: Eb > >Will Dubya *ever* master saying the word "nuclear"? > >Eb Kathy and I were having the same discussion "nucewlar". I think Carter had the same problem. Max _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:09:53 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: ps Here's hoping. I *did* like the line, "Your enemy isn't surrounding your country. Your enemy is ruling your country." Nice. - -----Original Message----- From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Eb Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 9:53 PM To: fgz Subject: ps Will Dubya *ever* master saying the word "nuclear"? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:11:34 -0600 From: Dolph Chaney Subject: Re: ps At 08:53 PM 1/28/2003, Eb wrote: >Will Dubya *ever* master saying the word "nuclear"? Let's just pray he doesn't get the opportunity to practice too often. dolph ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:18:15 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: ps On 28 Jan 2003 at 22:01, Maximilian Lang wrote: > Kathy and I were having the same discussion "nucewlar". I think Carter had > the same problem. I don't think so. Reagan did, though. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:21:46 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: Re: oxford Thanks for the review MRG! Quoting Michael R Godwin : > The Soft Boys are made to interpret Robyn Hitchcock's > songs, he ought to keep them on _permanently_. Cheers! Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:33:48 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: ps >From: rosso@videotron.ca >Subject: Re: ps >Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 22:18:15 -0500 > >On 28 Jan 2003 at 22:01, Maximilian Lang wrote: > > > Kathy and I were having the same discussion "nucewlar". I think Carter >had > > the same problem. > >I don't think so. Reagan did, though. http://slate.msn.com/id/2071155/ _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:36:56 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: ps At 9:11 PM -0600 1/28/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "Dolph Chaney" and whispered: >At 08:53 PM 1/28/2003, Eb wrote: >>Will Dubya *ever* master saying the word "nuclear"? > >Let's just pray he doesn't get the opportunity to practice too often. >dolph I had a disturbing flash the other night. One thing you don't hear a whole lot about in the media is that apparently Bush is a devout Christian. When I see him incomprehensibly propose a tax break for SUV owners, try to start a war nobody else wants, declare that the US will not allow any other country to approach our military might, or nominate a rabidly anti-gay person to the federal HIV commission, the thought strikes me: I think he's trying to ignite the Apocalypse. I think he seriously thinks it's the End Times and he's trying to spark The War To End All Wars. He sure acts like a guy who thinks there's a deity on his side, doesn't he? Disturbed, Mike - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 19:38:59 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: ps At 9:11 PM -0600 1/28/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "Dolph Chaney" and whispered: >At 08:53 PM 1/28/2003, Eb wrote: >>Will Dubya *ever* master saying the word "nuclear"? > >Let's just pray he doesn't get the opportunity to practice too often. >dolph I had a disturbing flash the other night. One thing you don't hear a whole lot about in the media is that apparently Bush is a devout Christian. When I see him incomprehensibly propose a tax break for SUV owners, try to start a war nobody else wants, declare that the US will not allow any other country to approach our military might, nominate a rabidly anti-gay person to the federal HIV commission, or any of his other impolitic, incomprehensible decisions which are obviously going to piss off a LOT of people, the thought strikes me: I think he's trying to ignite the Apocalypse. I think he seriously thinks it's the End Times and he's trying to spark The War To End All Wars. He sure acts like a guy who thinks there's a deity on his side, doesn't he? Disturbed, Mike - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 21:53:55 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: ps On Tuesday, January 28, 2003, at 09:36 PM, Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat wrote: > I had a disturbing flash the other night. One thing you don't hear a > whole > lot about in the media is that apparently Bush is a devout Christian. > When > I see him incomprehensibly propose a tax break for SUV owners, try to > start > a war nobody else wants, declare that the US will not allow any other > country to approach our military might, or nominate a rabidly anti-gay > person to the federal HIV commission, the thought strikes me: I think > he's > trying to ignite the Apocalypse. I think he seriously thinks it's the > End > Times and he's trying to spark The War To End All Wars. He sure acts > like a > guy who thinks there's a deity on his side, doesn't he? Bush is still the empty, pampered rich boy he's always been. The only difference is that he used to be a drunk and now he's a fundamentalist Christian. But you've got your Apocalypse a bit wrong, there's got to be the antichrist and the tribulation and all that. - - Steve __________ There is no precedent in any modern White House for what is going on in this one: a complete lack of a policy apparatus.  What you've got is everythingand I mean everythingbeing run by the political arm. It's the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis. - John DiIulio, 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2003 23:02:00 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: RE: ps One thing that disturbs me the most is from the Democratic response: what the unintelligencia can't seem to wrap their mind around is that the only tax cut (and mind, now, that the democrats are talking tax cut now, too) is that the only fair tax cut is a flat cut. 2% across the board is fair. It doesn't take a statistician to look at the numbers to say that, yes, the more you earn the more you will reap in a tax cut, but that's *fair*. All too often people are penalized for doing well in exchange for carrying those who don't. Flat taxes work, people. Plain and simple. - -f. PS: the most fascinating part of the whole speech, I found, to be: "I have sent you a comprehensive energy plan to promote energy efficiency and conservation, to develop cleaner technology, and to produce more energy at home. I have sent you Clear Skies legislation that mandates a 70 percent cut in air pollution from power plants over the next 15 years. I have sent you a Healthy Forests Initiative, to help prevent the catastrophic fires that devastate communities, kill wildlife, and burn away millions of acres of treasured forest. I urge you to pass these measures, for the good of both our environment and our economy. Even more, I ask you to take a crucial step, and protect our environment in ways that generations before us could not have imagined. In this century, the greatest environmental progress will come about, not through endless lawsuits or command and control regulations, but through technology and innovation. Tonight I am proposing 1.2 billion dollars in research funding so that America can lead the world in developing ***clean, hydrogen-powered automobiles***. A simple chemical reaction between hydrogen and oxygen generates energy, which can be used to power a car - producing only water, not exhaust fumes. With a new national commitment, our scientists and engineers will overcome obstacles to taking these cars from laboratory to showroom - so that the first car driven by a child born today could be powered by hydrogen, and pollution-free. Join me in this important innovation - to make our air significantly cleaner, and our country much less dependent on foreign sources of energy." ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #32 *******************************