From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #30 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, January 27 2003 Volume 12 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Frankenstein and the Numbers [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Doctorin' the guitarist ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: potentially stupid question, with actual Soft content ["Stewart C. Ru] Re: Frankenstein and the Numbers [Eb ] Re: Frankenstein and the Numbers [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Frankenstein and the Numbers [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Frankenstein and the Numbers ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy h] RE: DataBASE: How low can you go? ["Bachman, Michael" ] Re: Frankenstein and the Numbers ["Jason R. Thornton" ] *LIPSYNC [Jeff Dwarf ] reap [Christopher Gross ] RE: meat and the dead-priest. ["Brian Huddell" ] Re: meat and the dead-priest. [gSs ] RE: meat and the dead-priest. [Jeff Dwarf ] RE: meet the new dead-priest [gSs ] Skanks for the memories ["Rex.Broome" ] Broadcast censoring hilarity ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: Broadcast censoring hilarity [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Skanks for the memories [rosso@videotron.ca] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:39:51 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Frankenstein and the Numbers >Might as well lay the Frankensteins on ya: > >Frankenstein - Jad & David Fair >Frankenstein - New York Dolls >Frankenstein - Edgar Winters Group >Frankenstein - Aimee Mann >Blood of Frankenstein - Famous Monsters >Pride of Frankenstein - Too Much Joy >Frankenstein Meets Billy the Kid - Half Japanese but you're missing the pinnacle! Bride of Frankenstein - Toy Love Re number albums - how about The Grid's "456"? I once did a radio show where every song had only a number as the title. All songs, too - nothing from albums where every track is simply a number (actually, I think I did play one isntrumental - Cruel Sea's "4" - but that's the only track on the album that has a number title). ISTR that some of the songs played were "1921" (The Who), "17" (Jethro Tull), "11:59" (Blondie), and even dug out an old copy of "5705" (City Boy). For a while I considered doing a series of ten shows, each of which had songs with a particular number in the titles (you'd be amazed at how many good songs have the word "four" or "five" in the title). James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:07:02 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Doctorin' the guitarist Christopher Gross wrote: > > Oh, yes -- If it's the same edit I saw, they changed "motherfucker" to > "melon farmer." "Flippin' Western Bell!", too, as he destroyed the phone with the sledgehammer. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 17:15:32 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: potentially stupid question, with actual Soft content Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > Any idea what happened? Or were they always like that? (Uh-and if there are > non-truncated versions of those tracks out there, I might be interested in > acquiring them...) likewise. I didn't download my subscription at the time, and when I called back, the domain was gone. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 14:37:46 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Frankenstein and the Numbers >For a while I considered doing a series of ten shows, each of which had >songs with a particular number in the titles (you'd be amazed at how many >good songs have the word "four" or "five" in the title). Hrm...can't say my database yields anything too remarkable. About 30 of each? And none of those tracks are particularly special to me. Only two "Frankenstein" songs for me, by Toy Love and Bazooka. Rex B. apparently has a couple of Half Japanese records which I *wish* I had. I was thinking it would fun to ask for everyone's favorite song which contains his/her own first name, but then I realized that, except for James Dignan and Tom Clark, most of us are lucky to find one at all. (Me: "Eric's Trip" by Sonic Youth, in a two-horse race over "The Eric Dolphy Memorial Barbecue.") Eb, ailing with a sprained ankle but *not* Super Bowl Fever ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 15:01:23 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Frankenstein and the Numbers Eb wrote: > I was thinking it would fun to ask for everyone's favorite song which > contains his/her own first name, but then I realized that, except for > James Dignan and Tom Clark, most of us are lucky to find one at all. Or almost all of them have the last name "Dahmer" attatched to the first name. "Susie and Jeffrey" by Blondie is really the only choice. > (Me: "Eric's Trip" by Sonic Youth, in a two-horse race over "The Eric > Dolphy Memorial Barbecue.") > > Eb, ailing with a sprained ankle but *not* Super Bowl Fever ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 20:27:57 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Frankenstein and the Numbers Quoting Jeff Dwarf : > Eb wrote: > > I was thinking it would fun to ask for everyone's favorite song which > > contains his/her own first name, but then I realized that, except for > > James Dignan and Tom Clark, most of us are lucky to find one at all. > > Or almost all of them have the last name "Dahmer" attatched to the > first name. "Susie and Jeffrey" by Blondie is really the only choice. There are three Jethro Tull songs with the name "Jeffrey" in them...but I can't remember any of them. The Black Watch's song about Christopher Smart quotes from Smart's poem "For My Cat Geoffrey," so I'll take that as my honorary favorite, spelling and lack of actual title be damned. I don't have a searchable title database, alas... ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 21:38:00 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: sinister remix? I have an mp3 file that I forgot to properly label...it's a remix of "Sinister But She Was Happy" whose filename is tspigot_rmx_sinisterhappy.mp3. Is this the work of anyone here? (I like it!) What's the name of the remixer? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: I feel that all movies should have things that happen in them :: --TV's Frank ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2003 23:39:34 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: Frankenstein and the Numbers At 10:39 AM +1300 1/27/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "James Dignan" and whispered: >I once did a radio show where every song had only a number as the title. >All songs, too - nothing from albums where every track is simply a number >(actually, I think I did play one isntrumental - Cruel Sea's "4" - but >that's the only track on the album that has a number title). ISTR that some >of the songs played were "1921" (The Who), "17" (Jethro Tull), "11:59" >(Blondie), and even dug out an old copy of "5705" (City Boy). > Execllent call on the obscure Tull - I hope you had the bootleg version of "17" with the long jam at the end! But for Who I would've gone with "905" myself. At 8:27 PM -0600 1/26/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" and whispered: >There are three Jethro Tull songs with the name "Jeffrey" in them...but I >can't remember any of them. "A Song For Jeffrey", "Jeffrey Goes To Leiscester Square", "For Michael Collins, Jeffrey, and Me" At 9:38 PM -0600 1/26/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey" and whispered: >I have an mp3 file that I forgot to properly label...it's a remix of >"Sinister >But She Was Happy" whose filename is tspigot_rmx_sinisterhappy.mp3. > >Is this the work of anyone here? (I like it!) What's the name of the >remixer? It's the work of the boyfriend of "Eclipse Tuliphead", one of the RH yahoogroup members. IIRC she said he did it for her birthday. Mike - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:08:47 -0500 From: "Bachman, Michael" Subject: RE: DataBASE: How low can you go? - -----Original Message----- From: Stewart C. Russell [mailto:scruss@sympatico.ca] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 5:13 PM To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Subject: Re: DataBASE: How low can you go? Rex Broome wrote: > > How about albums by numbers only? The Beautiful South's 0898, one of my favorites from 1992. Michael ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:08:09 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: meat and the dead-priest. wow, that is one of the most nauseatingly unbelievable defenses of the sexual exploitation of children i have ever read. you sound like a priest talking to a choir boy, comforting and reassuring him as you massage his neck. but i guess you must be right since the victims are normally relatives or the children of friends and neighbors. the problem must not be as bad as we've come to understand. and how could another multimillion dollar industry targeting adults be of any harm to children? > Your assignment, should you choose to accept it, is to read up on the > "ritual Satanic child abuse" scare of the '80s. Short version: no such > thing, and plenty of innocent people's lives ruined (including some > children's, probably, who were led on to testify to horrible, but > fictitious, acts - the process of being led on and having to testify to > same no doubt being pretty traumatic in itself). > > The numbers on child abuse and child porn are routinely exaggerated in the > media - since doing so stirs up exactly the kind of emotionally intense > reactions we've just been through in this very group, and in a commercial > context, that kind of intensity is a profit engine. Tales of the sick > stranger seducing children present a very clean good/evil break...and are > much easier to fulminate about, as opposed to the reality that most > children who are abused are victimized by their own families, not strangers > on the internet etc. > > Given these social paramaters, any approach to stopping child porn that > cavalierly sets aside the harm done by such false accusations is likely to > harm far more than it helps. As to "make every effort to avoid any hint of > impropriety": children need physical affection (the good kind), and social > policies which prohibit teachers, day-care workers, even relatives other > than the parents (hell, even the *parents*) from, say, giving a child a hug > may well cause harm, too. > > The fact is, very few people are actually interested in child porn - and of > those, very few would actually harm a child. And consider those cases you > read about the FBI agent posing as a seductive 13-year-old to catch some > loner guy who agrees to meet "her" at a hotel room in the middle of > nowhere: is it a good idea to entice these folks to commit crimes they > might not commit otherwise? > > ..Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > :: When the only tool you have is an interociter, you tend to treat > :: everything as if it were a fourth-order nanodimensional sub-quantum > :: temporo-spatial anomaly. > :: --Crow T. Maslow ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:35:04 -0800 From: "Jason R. Thornton" Subject: Re: Frankenstein and the Numbers At 02:37 PM 1/26/2003 -0800, E the b wrote: >I was thinking it would fun to ask for everyone's favorite song which >contains his/her own first name, but then I realized that, except for >James Dignan and Tom Clark, most of us are lucky to find one at all. I wish my name were Jane. Seems like there's a ton of Jane songs that I like. Thank the gods for XTC, or I wouldn't have any song to call my own (or at least not one I actually like). - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 08:38:44 -0800 (PST) From: Perry Amberson Subject: Re: meat and the dead-priest. Hello everyone, I subscribed to this list a few months ago in the afterglow of witnessing the first two shows of the Soft Boys' U.S. tour. I've enjoyed most of the e-mails I've received as a result, and have even enjoyed posting some messages of my own, but this COMPLETELY OFF-TOPIC kiddie porn thread has killed whatever enthusiasm I had for belonging to the list. Even though I agree with what most of you have had to say on the subject, the writings of gSs have been like fingernails aggressively scraping a chalkboard. He/she should seriously consider getting some kind of therapy and spare the remaining Fegmaniax his/her frequent posts which recently seem to consist of hysterical ranting alternating with childish obscene religion-bashing. Since I am neither religious nor a child pornographer, I have no particular axe to grind with gSs's point of view. But if I were confronted with a loudmouth asshole like that who could not be silenced, I would take my leave of him/her. Which is what I intend to do. Consider me unsubscribed. Thanks, Perry ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:05:56 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: *LIPSYNC http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/news/03-01/27.shtml ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:53:50 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: reap Historian Hugh Trevor-Roper, 89. - --Chris, wondering if this email will be eaten by the great Internet worm.... ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:08:16 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: meat and the dead-priest. In case most fegs wisely skipped this, I just want to say that after 3 readings I can't find a single phrase in Jeff's message that can reasonably be construed as a "defense of the sexual exploitation of children." Not one. > wow, that is one of the most nauseatingly unbelievable defenses of the > sexual exploitation of children i have ever read. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:15:18 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: meat and the dead-priest. On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Perry Amberson wrote: > Even though I agree with what most of you have had to > say on the subject, the writings of gSs have been like > fingernails aggressively scraping a chalkboard. cover your ears. > He/she should seriously consider getting some kind of > therapy and spare the remaining Fegmaniax his/her > frequent posts which recently seem to consist of > hysterical ranting alternating with childish obscene > religion-bashing. i see you have never actually studied the phenomenon of hysteria. > Since I am neither religious nor a > child pornographer, I have no particular axe to grind > with gSs's point of view. But if I were confronted > with a loudmouth asshole like that who could not be > silenced, I would take my leave of him/her. as the eyes of the beholder disregard what makes them most uncomfortable. your rant is asinine and childish. my feelings and the way i express my feelings are unique and personal as they are for everyone. if you don't agree with what i say that is fine. but you don't like the way i say it, then fuck off. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 09:14:44 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: RE: meat and the dead-priest. Brian Huddell wrote: > In case most fegs wisely skipped this, I just want to say that after > 3 readings I can't find a single phrase in Jeff's message that can > reasonably be construed as a "defense of the sexual exploitation of > children." Not one. It's that pesky literacy thing. You probably can pronounce "nuclear" and know the difference between prosecuted and persecuted too. - -- the jeff who didn't make the statment shell went ballistic over > > wow, that is one of the most nauseatingly unbelievable defenses of > > the sexual exploitation of children i have ever read. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 11:22:33 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: RE: meet the new dead-priest On Mon, 27 Jan 2003, Jeff Dwarf wrote: > -- the jeff who didn't make the statment shell went ballistic over that was considered ballistic? man, i'd hate for you to see me upset. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:35:36 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Skanks for the memories James names the companions: >>Lalla Ward and Elizabeth Sladen respectively. Wow, made me kind of excited just to see those names. >>"Closer to God" by Nine Inch Nails, and "Working class hero" by John Lennon. >>Now there's an unlikely pairing. Probably not in Reznor's mind! >>Talking of similar titles, I recently saw an album of kletzmer-ised 60s >>classics. The title? "Israeli gears". Ah, parody titles. I think there are at least two records called "Electic Land Lady", one by Kirsty MacColl, and my innnernet is busted so I can't recall what the other one is. ______ Wow, that Dylan feature. So weird. I keep forgetting, perhaps willfully, that it's on the horizon. Such a strange thing to do at this point in his career. Jack Fate- egads. This one might be mocked in late night monologues for years, but only if te starpower is such that anyone even notices it. Hard rain's gonna fall. ______ Sabina: >>ps: for those who don't know "skank" or "skanking" is a type of dance usually >>done at ska or punk rock shows Ah, you kids these days with your crazy dances! I always wondered what went on at them there "punk rock shows"... (Jest kiddin', Sabina, I can see why you felt the need to clarify the word; in fact it was pretty funny.) - -Rex, who has already reproduced, thus slipping through Jeff's net of genetic screening ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 10:54:36 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Broadcast censoring hilarity Jeff: >>I once saw a version of _Repo Man_ on TBS or something that had been edited >>hilariously Honestly, little can compare to the broadcast version of "Showgirls" I saw recently. Whole chunks of the narrative went missing, which is a problem since that movie made no sense whatsoever in its uncut form. But what was really amazing was that in some scenes they actually superimposed CGI-ish bras onto the topless actresses (I say "CGI-ish" as the bras had no actual surface definition-- they were like bra-shaped areas of darkness which moved in rough synchronization with the performers). People would have whole conversations while "wearing" these things. It was downright bizarre. I mean... why even try with a film like that? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:04:11 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: Bawb Bawb Bawbin' along eB-- >A review by Roger Ebert This sounds as though, despite a better cast & probably better songs, it could be *worse* than "Hearts of Fire." The man got booed around the world for going electric, & it seems like getting booed has become an addiction. Anybody here seen "Reynaldo and Clara"? - --- Joyce Carol Oats 'n' Honey -- Here's a brief discussion of that story & Dylan: http://www.edlis.org/twice/threads/joyce_carol_oates_dedication.html Ross Taylor "Profundus Maximus" Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 14:21:43 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Broadcast censoring hilarity Quoting "Rex.Broome" : > Honestly, little can compare to the broadcast version of "Showgirls" I saw > recently. Whole chunks of the narrative went missing, which is a problem > since that movie made no sense whatsoever in its uncut form. But what was > really amazing was that in some scenes they actually superimposed CGI-ish > bras onto the topless actresses (I say "CGI-ish" as the bras had no actual > surface definition-- they were like bra-shaped areas of darkness which moved > in rough synchronization with the performers). People would have whole > conversations while "wearing" these things. It was downright bizarre. I > mean... why even try with a film like that? On a semi-related note, I recently watched the R-rated (accidentally) and unrated versions of _Y Tu Mama Tambien_, and without spoiling anything, I am able to note that certain actions apparently make movie raters nervous; thus: Thrusting In a sexual situation, a woman's head descending lower than a man's chest Suspicious viscous globules in water Subtitles containing the words "in the ass" Male/male kissing If you haven't seen the movie (and you should), please do not rent the R-rated version, which loses at least one very good joke situation and a couple of rather key plot points (which are, at least, implicit anyway - but still). What boggles my mind is this: who, exactly, is the MPAA worried about? I mean, in the R-rated version, among other situations, we still have two naked people in bed, one atop the other: the situation is clearly sexual...is anyone unoffended by that somehow going to be offended by thrusting motions? The minds of censors remain completely alien to me...weird weird weird. ..Jeff, who unfortunately doesn't know how a killfile works J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ps to Rex re his kids: Bwah-hah-ha-ha! That's what the "educational system" is for! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 12:29:35 -0800 From: "Enriched Macaroni Product" Subject: Newz from the january 15 Anderson Valley Advertiser: "A Fort Bragg reader called Monday to say that a whole buncha folks were out on the dunes scooping up crabs, which they aren't supposed to do without a crab license. One non-sanctioned crabber explained, 'This is the way the Indians did it, this is the way I'm doing it.'" _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2003 19:28:53 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Skanks for the memories On 27 Jan 2003 at 10:35, Rex.Broome wrote: > Ah, parody titles. I think there are at least two records called "Electic > Land Lady", one by Kirsty MacColl, and my innnernet is busted so I can't > recall what the other one is. Electric Larryland? ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #30 *******************************