From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #24 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Wednesday, January 22 2003 Volume 12 : Number 024 Today's Subjects: ----------------- LOTR complaint [rosso@videotron.ca] all-region DVD players [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] RE: sorry it just bugs me a bit ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: Cheap all region DVD player (at Fry's) --WHY? ["Timothy Reed" ] Re: all-region DVD players [Ken Weingold ] Re: Looking for Nina (Re: Reap: Hirschfeld) [Tom Clark ] Re: all-region DVD players [Aaron Mandel ] RE: all-region DVD players ["Timothy Reed" ] RE: all-region DVD players ["Timothy Reed" ] Re: you know what [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] HTML question [bayard ] RE: sorry it just bugs me a bit [Eb ] RE: sorry it just bugs me a bit ["Brian Huddell" ] RE: things that bug people a bit :-) ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a poin] RE: Looking for Nina ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" ] on topic! "pantomime of god" [Thomas Rodebaugh ] Re: Evaluating dribs n drabs [Michael R Godwin ] Re: on topic! "pantomime of god" [Michael R Godwin ] Re: A small request. [gSs ] Re: that horrible 'lavigne' girl etc. [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: on topic! "pantomime of god" & ot farewell to the porn thread ["Maure] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:27:49 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: LOTR complaint I saw it last week. If I see one more period or fantasy movie with a stupid skateboard gag in it I'm going to throw back my head and scream, scream, scream. Right there in the theatre. Thank you for your attention. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:39:37 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: all-region DVD players The reason you might want an all-region DVD player is simple: if you ever want to play a title available only for another region, if your player is set to play only in your region, you will be unable to play it. It's as if US people simply *couldn't* play an imported Robyn CD. Apparently, many supposedly regioned players can be easily hacked (in some cases, merely by entering a code into the remote) into all-region players: saves the manufacturers costs, so they only need to build one player and just program them for their destined markets. I suspect there's a DVD FAQ out there somewhere, and if you search under your particular brand, you'll probably be able to find out whether you can hack your player and how to do so. (I think the whole "region" scheme was intended to thwart bootleggers, no?) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:39:35 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: sorry it just bugs me a bit Sabina: > just, please, i dunno, try and act a little more civil? > friendly? human? towards each other? thanks I'm an old feg in both senses, and I think others will agree that things can get *much* worse around here than they've been in the last couple of days. Sabina's point is well taken, even if it's been made many times. What struck me just now, really for the first time, is the idea that some older fegs might feel they have a *duty* to model a less dysfunctional version of adult discourse than is sometimes displayed on fegmaniax. Honestly, Sabina, I don't mean to condescend, and I have no doubt that you are wise beyond your 14 years, but some of us are 3 (or 4?) times older than you! You have every right to expect us to behave decently. It's just something I never thought about before (I never felt protective of Terrence, for instance, but it feels like there's a big difference between 14 and 17). Anyway, in Sabina's honor I've decided to forgo calling someone on this list an abrasive, willfully oblique boogerhead. +brian in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:42:17 -0500 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: RE: Cheap all region DVD player (at Fry's) --WHY? Hi - If you want to watch DVDs released in other countries that aren't available here, or are but in a different form, you'd want a region-free DVD player. Anime fans, for instance, are big region-free DVD customers, at least until all the Chinese bootlegs anime started showing up in bulk on Ebay. Tim > > For Fegs who would like an all region DVD player, here's a tip from > > another list. The clip below only mentions Region 2, but > it actually > > plays all regions. > > I'll ask, just in case I'm not the only one who doesn't get this -- > Why would I go out of my way to get a player that'll handle other > regions? Disabled Macrovision would be a real plus, but why > region- free? ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:44:46 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: rage on omnipotent on 1/21/03 5:04 PM, Sabina Carlson at sheenaramona@comcast.net wrote: > i know from experience how difficult it is to break > away from the mainstream these days (with MTV owning just about everything > in existence). i am just saying that it is possible, and that all hope > should not be lost for teenage fegs :-) > This girl knows what she's talking about. > on a similar note, what do you think is a good song to introduce hitchcock > to a college ska kid? just wondering... Let's see, ska. Kind of jumpy, dance around the place music. How about (off the top of my head): Elizabeth Jade NASA Clapping I Watch The Cars Strawberry Mind - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:46:07 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: all-region DVD players On Tue, Jan 21, 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > The reason you might want an all-region DVD player is simple: if you > ever want to play a title available only for another region, if your > player is set to play only in your region, you will be unable to > play it. It's as if US people simply *couldn't* play an imported > Robyn CD. But do they also convert PAL to NTSC (Never Twice the Same Color), etc.? - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:47:43 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Looking for Nina (Re: Reap: Hirschfeld) Thanks, Dave. That was a pleasant diversion. - -tc on 1/21/03 4:24 PM, da9ve stovall at da9ve@geek.com wrote: >> Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:05:50 -0800 >> From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" > > >> Subject: Re: RIP >> >> At 1:22 PM -0800 1/20/03, those funny voices I hear when no > one else is > around called themselves "Tom Clark" and whispered: >> Caricaturist Al Hirschfeld >> >> http://apnews.myway.com/article/20030120/D7OM4EPO0.html > >> Oh, man. That's sad. Part of my childhood was looking >for "Nina"s > in the >> Hirschfelds in every Sunday Times Arts & Leisure section. >> >> Mike > > I missed all the craft > The grace of the line > The beauty inherent in every design > The forest was waving but the trees made me blind > I was looking for Nina. > > Saw none of the elegance > All that was there > The essences captured > The nuance so rare > Obsessed by the messages tucked into hair > I was looking for Nina. > > Al, be a pal > And grant me one more chance > I'll sway and I'll swoon and fall into a trance > And savor each step of your masterful dance. > > ------------------------------------------------ > "Looking for Nina" > Mike Keneally & Beer For Dolphins > from the album _Sluggo!_, 1997 Immune Records > > If you haven't heard it, you won't imagine how strange this song > really is. One of my Keneally favorites, . . . ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:57:06 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: all-region DVD players On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > (I think the whole "region" scheme was intended to thwart bootleggers, > no?) I don't know what the intent was, but one of its functions is to allow titles that are getting a Big Promotional Launch to be released in different countries at different times. You could also have disparate pricing between regions, but I have no idea if that happens. a ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:58:35 -0500 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: RE: all-region DVD players A few region-free players do the conversion, but it's the exception. You have to look for it when you're buying. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org > [mailto:owner-fegmaniax@smoe.org] On Behalf Of Ken Weingold > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:46 PM > To: arboreal autograph collectors > Subject: Re: all-region DVD players > > > On Tue, Jan 21, 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > > The reason you might want an all-region DVD player is > simple: if you > > ever want to play a title available only for another > region, if your > > player is set to play only in your region, you will be > unable to play > > it. It's as if US people simply *couldn't* play an imported > Robyn CD. > > But do they also convert PAL to NTSC (Never Twice the Same > Color), etc.? > > > -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:58:35 -0500 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: RE: all-region DVD players Some region-free players can be hacked, but most of the hackable ones required a hardware mod - a chip soldered to the board that fool the player into playing a DVD for another region. Containing Chinese boots was part of the region-code rationale, but a lot of it has also to do with timing of movie releases and DVD rights licensing. Movies are released on different schedules in most major markets - it's extreme enough that a movie coming out on DVD in the US may have just been released to theaters in Asia. So the studios don't want to lose those ticket sales. Also, DVD publishing and distribution rights are sold to different companies in each market. A publisher in the US doesn't want the UK version - published by a different company - to eat into US sales, that they paid for the right to sell to. I seem to recall this being an issue with UK vinyl eating into US sales way back when, but I'm hard pressed to cite an example right now. That is the very reason that video game companies use region encoding. Japan consumers get to choose from a much wider variety of software that also tends to be more challenging. We tend to only see the stuff from big studios that sign distribution deals here - there are tons of really odd Japanese titles that don't have a chance of ever getting a distribution deal here, yet are region-encoded anyway. Pricing is also region-specific, so a movie that costs $30 here might cost $5 in China - due to the competition from their thriving bootleg industry as well as the different standard of living there. I imagine that most DVD buyers are in the more open cities where income is much higher. Tim /always happy to talk about region encoding, obviously , etc. - used to eat into US music sales. > Apparently, many supposedly regioned players can be easily > hacked (in some cases, merely by entering a code into the > remote) into all-region players: saves the manufacturers > costs, so they only need to build one player and just program > them for their destined markets. I suspect there's a DVD FAQ > out there somewhere, and if you search under your particular > brand, you'll probably be able to find out whether you can > hack your player and how to do so. > > (I think the whole "region" scheme was intended to thwart > bootleggers, no?) > > ..Jeff > > J e f f r e y N o r m a n > The Architectural Dance Society > www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html > :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 18:01:57 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: you know what >er...yeah. i notice ther's been just a bit of head-biting going on for the >past couple days in discussion. now, i don't mind discussion and arguments >at all, but try to keep the malicious comments to yourself (unless you >were really offended at something and want to address the matter publicly >or whatever). maybe it's cause i am the naive little kid here but i >thought that this was supposed to be a community of hitchcock fans, not a >battle-zone. it doesn't happen too often, but when it does it just bugs >me. like i said, i am all for discussion, because where would we be >without it? just, please, i dunno, try and act a little more civil? >friendly? human? towards each other? thanks Sabina's right of course (and Max, and Tom, and...), and it bugs me too (although I must admit to joining in these discussions as readily as anyone). It's not even as though we all disagree on the recent topics - there is a broad consensus on the basic points of this discussion, it's the fiuner details that we are arguing about. Then again, I suppose the same can be said about the arguments between different religious groups. It's bound to get heated here from time to time - we are, for the most part, pretty damned intelligent, and pretty opinionated. But I'd like to hope that we're intelligent enough to (to use a sporting cliche) play the ball, not the man. Let's try to attack the topic, not the person we're arguing with, huh? And in this particular argument, since we do have a broad consensus, why are we continuing the discussion on list? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:07:17 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: HTML question Is it possible to create an alt tag for a text hyperlink? I could swear I'd seen this done... email me offlist, if you please =b - -- http://glasshotel.net/glassflesh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:09:09 -0800 From: Eb Subject: RE: sorry it just bugs me a bit >I'm an old feg in both senses, and I think others will agree that things can >get *much* worse around here than they've been in the last couple of days. Really?? Whoa. I may unsubscribe, right now. Incidentally, does anyone know how Ralph Nader feels about young boys? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:30:50 -0600 From: "Brian Huddell" Subject: RE: sorry it just bugs me a bit > Really?? Whoa. I may unsubscribe, right now. I was going to say that the ugliness on the feglist tends to eb and flow, but that would have been too obvious. > Incidentally, does anyone know how Ralph Nader feels about young boys? Right, if we're lucky enough to still have Sabina with us during the '04 elections then she's going to learn a *lot* about dysfunctional adult discourse. +brian in New Orleans ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 23:53:53 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: RE: things that bug people a bit :-) At 12:30 AM -0600 1/22/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "Brian Huddell" and whispered: >Right, if we're lucky enough to still have Sabina with us during the '04 >elections then she's going to learn a *lot* about dysfunctional adult >discourse. FWIW I've got a filter that screens my incoming fegmail for the strings "RH", "SB", "Robyn", "Soft Boys", and a few others, and highlights emails containing those terms in a different color. (In Eudora, this is done by having the filter change the Label of the email.) Makes it easier to quickly screen the off-topic content at times when it gets flying thick. Also FWIW the times it does get heavy in here are nowhere near as bad as the spite I've seen on some lists. Subscribe to or for a couple of days. If they haven't changed since I was a member, whoo, you'll really see something. At 6:04 PM -0500 1/21/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "Maximilian Lang" and whispered: >While I do not want to have anyone curtail discussing anything that >they wish to, I for one would appreciate something to designate that the >email being sent is about porn. I have tried to delete the emails as I >have >become bored with them but the subject keeps changing, maybe 'OT Porn' in >the subject or something. Am I alone in this? Don't know what email client you're using, but you can perhaps the above trick could work for you, too. Mark anything with "Pete" and "porn", perhaps. MK (w/a PH) PS. Yes, I used a smiley in my subject line. :-P -pfffffft! - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 00:08:18 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: RE: Looking for Nina Wow, man, thanks for sharing that. MK (w/a PH) At 4:24 PM -0800 1/21/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "da9ve stovall" and whispered: >I missed all the craft >The grace of the line >The beauty inherent in every design >The forest was waving but the trees made me blind >I was looking for Nina. > >Saw none of the elegance >All that was there >The essences captured >The nuance so rare >Obsessed by the messages tucked into hair >I was looking for Nina. > >Al, be a pal >And grant me one more chance >I'll sway and I'll swoon and fall into a trance >And savor each step of your masterful dance. > >------------------------------------------------ >"Looking for Nina" >Mike Keneally & Beer For Dolphins >from the album _Sluggo!_, 1997 Immune Records > >If you haven't heard it, you won't imagine how strange this song >really is. One of my Keneally favorites, . . . > >da9ve - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 02:13:47 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: All Region DVD Player --WHY? On Tuesday, January 21, 2003, at 08:23 PM, rosso@videotron.ca wrote: > I'll ask, just in case I'm not the only one who doesn't get this -- > Why would I go out of my way to get a player that'll handle other > regions? Disabled Macrovision would be a real plus, but why region- > free? > > I read a couple of FAQs but remain unenlightened. Because these are R3, unless you want VCDs - > Possibly the most-anticipated martial arts DVDs of all time are > finally a reality: IVL and Celestial Pictures are releasing the entire > Shaw Brothers film catalog on DVD! You've read all the rumors and > gossip for the past year or two, now feast your eyes on these lovingly > restored prints of your favorite old-school martial arts flix! For the > first time ever available fully restored, letterboxed, uncut, > subtitled, and with extra features! Your days of watching worn, faded, > cropped, dubbed, heavily edited illegal bootlegs of these classics are > over! http://www.hkflix.com/xq/asp/qtype.all/keyword.350/qx/titles.htm Why are the Shaw Brothers films important? Maybe they're not. For what it's worth, Kill Bill is supposed to be Tarantino's "Shaw Brothers movie." Nevertheless, Clans Of Intrigue was the first HK film I ever saw, around 1980 at the Granada in Dallas. Walked in cold, and it was a revelation. http://hkflix.com/xq/asp/filmID.527272/qx/details.htm That was back when the Granada was good. Or bad, as they always showed El Topo for a week. A few region free players - http://www.hkflix.com/hardware/ And some players *are* macrovision free. - - Steve __________ Miyazaki combines a grownup's humanity with the free imagination that many of us possessed at the age of 7 and that all but the geniuses lost. - Sarah Kerr ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 07:58:54 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas Rodebaugh Subject: on topic! "pantomime of god" hi folks, i will delurk because i have been sitting on a question for a while. could anyone explicate for us the meaning of "pantomime" in the british sense? i ask because of the soft boys' "moving on": in the pantomime of god i pretend i am a slave [and i'm reaching for the?] pod [standing by the?] grave of spike milligan who said 'well i told you i was ill'. i ask because i know there's more to it than what's in american dictionaries--it keeps coming up in reference to doctor who, esp. in terms of the not-so-well-done eps being called "panto." (i do know who spike was, and suspect that fits in thematically, so to speak. . .) speaking of the good doctor--pbs in philly is playing "the power of kroll" right now. the monster is a giant squid alien. wonder if robyn saw that before or after underwater moonlight. . . and am i the only one who thinks the distorted voice at the end of the "the lonesome death of ian penman" is saying "destroy. obey." and is meant to sound like a dalek? best, tom *************************** *Tom Rodebaugh * *Graduate Student, UNC-CH * *tlr3@email.unc.edu * *************************** ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:19:18 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: Evaluating dribs n drabs On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome wrote: > R.A. Schwaller De Lubicz, on of the more interesting crankiana authors > has written alot about Luxor. Seems its the key to it all, or something > like that. And Godwin, awhile ago I had a dream about being in a place > called Abydos where said key was. Only, I didn't know what Abydos was > and had to do a websearch on it when I woke up. I gather the friezes > cover the Isis, Osiris, Horus cycle, which I have always found very > compelling. > > Lordy Id love to travel thru the Middle East. To quote the Pink Fairies: "Don't think about it - do it!" Voyages Jules Verne are currently offering 7-day Nile Cruises plus flight from the UK for #399 (say $600). Add in flight costs from the US plus a stopover in Cairo for the museum and you should still emerge solvent! - - Menkheperresenb Godwin PS I shall look out for M. Schwaller de Lubicz (or possibly Herr S de L, or even Mynheer ditto de ditto). PPS RIP The Bee Gees: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/2682763.stm This is terrible! I'll have to dig out my copies of Words, World, To Love Somebody, Craise Finton Kirk, New York Mining Disaster 1941, I gotta get a message to you, ect ect. Some of those numbers on the first album sound strikingly like "Listen to the Flower People" by the Tap... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 13:36:40 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: on topic! "pantomime of god" On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Thomas Rodebaugh wrote: > could anyone explicate for us the meaning of "pantomime" in the british > sense? i ask because of the soft boys' "moving on": > > in the pantomime of god > i pretend i am a slave > [and i'm reaching for the?] pod > [standing by the?] grave of spike milligan who said > 'well i told you i was ill'. Pantomime is the successor to the Harlequinade, a sort of dance drama featuring three characters, Harlequin, Columbine and Pierrot. In Victorian times it was, I believe, a rather decorous entertainment for children dramatising, more or less straightforwardly, fairy tales like Cinderella, Dick Whittington, Aladdin, Hansel and Gretel, Puss in Boots and so forth. An important feature was that the hero, or principal boy, was always played by a girl in tights. This entertainment rapidly went down market, largely due to the character of the "dame", a raucous old lady character played by a male comedian. Music hall stars such as George Robey and Arthur Askey were well known in the 1920s and 1930s for playing the dame. Since the advent of television, panto provides winter employment for what are known in the UK as "celebrities", viz. minor personalities from soap operas and game shows. The last one I saw was "Aladdin" in 1965, with Cliff Richard as Aladdin (most pantos have dropped the 'principal boy' convention now), and the Shadows as Wishee, Washee, Splishy and Sploshy, or some such thing. I rather try to avoid panto nowadays. "Oh no you don't!" "Oh yes I do!" "Oh no you don't!" Etc. - - Mike "Well, puss, we thought the streets of London would be paved with gold, but all we found was bad luck and misery!" Godwin (slaps thigh). PUSS (inquiringly): MIAOW? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 9:16:48 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Re: on topic! "pantomime of god" Michael R Godwin wrote: > > I rather try to avoid panto nowadays. guess you've never been to a Scottish one, then. They're not just "keep the celebs employed", but pretty sharp humour. Formulaic, yes, but usually have a topical skit based on the week's news. The big theatres in Glasgow and Edinburgh are full for two to three performances a day, November to February. Unfortunately, since they are usually done in dialect, any non Scot would need a translator. It's ironic that two Comedy Gods of Scottish panto have only been seen in grim roles outside Scotland: Rikki Fulton and Gerard Kelly. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:17:55 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: simboy On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, James Dignan wrote: > >Not that that really advances any argument here, but it does seem glaringly > >obvious that people are willing if not eager to look at at some stuff they > >wouldn't do themselves. Videogames really underline this point, don't they? > >How does "Grand Theft Auto" sell... pretty well, right? > > ISTR that Texas Chainsaw Massacre was a pretty popular movie in its time. > Did the people who enjoyed that movie want to be the killer or the victims? > Or neither? how you can compare the exploitation of children sexually and to the pc gaming or the box office i cannot understand. why don't you write a video game for people who like exploiting children on the sexual level? like simcity but based around the abuse of children. > >that is not correct. you can be thrown in jail in most of the world > >including the us for simply making threats against certain individuals, > >even without truly knowing what they _want_ to do. > > in that case you're not punishing them for what they want to do. The threat > itself is a crime. You never been threatened? It can be as frightening and > scarring as an actual act of violence. and i never argued that point as right or wrong. i stated a fact. drew wrote "Um, except that civilized societies don't punish people for what they _want_ to do". i wrote "that is not correct", and it isn't. unless of course he was implying that there has yet to be a civilized society. we extend the sentences of certain sexual criminals, we deny certain others parole based exclusively on what they might do and we send certain "nut cases" to the nevous hospital or jail. we are arresting and detaining people who have committed no crime and are holding them without counsel. it is done today, it was done yesterday and it will be continue to be done in the future. > These sentences suggests that its alright for them to masturbate while > watching kiddieporn. that is a ridiculous assumption and does not deserve a reply but since you expect one, i'll write one. i impressed upon most every sentence or expression of my sexual ideals with the word adult. if you failed to see that for whatever reason then i will say it again. the sexual abuse is bad when it's from adult to adult but when it involves children being used as objects to fulfill an adults sexual desires it moves beyond even bad. anyone who contributes monetarily or in any other way is a direct supporter of the abuse of children and shgould be punished equally. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 08:35:26 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: A small request. On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Tom Clark wrote: > > the subject or something. Am I alone in this? > > No, you're not. It's gotten way out of hand. the porn part, the jesus part or the part about fucking god up the ass until he is dead? or the oral sex and it's relation to cannabalism part? no sorry, that was completely different. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 09:41:42 EST From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Re: that horrible 'lavigne' girl etc. plinth@kupietz.com said: >[Avril is] Better than Debbie Gibson? > >MK (w/a PH) I believe that the quality of Debbie Gibson's albums can be accurately represented by the fact that most of them are always available on eBay for one penny. (Her lovely backing vocals on 'I Wanna Destroy You' not withstanding.) Hollie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 14:50:26 +0000 From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" Subject: Re: on topic! "pantomime of god" & ot farewell to the porn thread Godwin >Pantomime is the successor to the Harlequinade, a sort of dance drama >featuring three characters, Harlequin, Columbine and Pierrot. Really. So panto comes from the same source as Punch and Judy, which I think also has roots in Commedia dell-arts(or however it's spelled)? Awhile ago I got a question on the tale of Pierrot and Piroette. I recognized Pierrot so I tried to do some quickie research on it. Aside from some artwork by Kay Nielsen I couldnt find much and sent it on to our more-in-depth Theater dept. But Im still curious as to what the answer is. What is the story? My memory half tickles me with the idea that there may be some connection to the 60s movie "King of Hearts"? Anyone have any ideas? - -------------- I will leave the child porn thread, but will make an observation first: you all may have disliked some of my ideas, but no one appears willing to put forward better alternatives. Our disinclination to think constructively about this stuff, to give it the once over we compuslively give to explosive political issues that routinely split this list, is a microcosm of the problem in our society. What we ignore never goes away or even lessens. Kay _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #24 *******************************