From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #23 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, January 21 2003 Volume 12 : Number 023 Today's Subjects: ----------------- mick ronson v. jangle ["ross taylor" ] Re: desire and action [Perry Amberson ] Re: puck lives [gSs ] Re: puck lives ["matt sewell" ] Re: puck lives [gSs ] Re: desire and action [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] see ya later boi [drew ] Good god, y'all! ["Rex.Broome" ] bye [drew ] Maligning Lavigne ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: desire and action [gSs ] Re: The unsual (usual or unusual?) dribs n drabs [grutness@surf4nix.com (] Finally saw... [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] A small request. ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: A small request. [Tom Clark ] OT - WAV editing, eliminating 2-second pauses ["Timothy Reed" ] RE: OT - WAV editing, eliminating 2-second pauses ["Timothy Reed" ] sorry it just bugs me a bit [Sabina Carlson ] Re: Cheap all region DVD player (at Fry's) --WHY? [rosso@videotron.ca] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:13:05 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: mick ronson v. jangle Here's sort of a vote for Your Arsenal, tho I like the others too. Probably others here found it too formulaic that he brought in Mick Ronson as Doctor Anti-Jangle, fixing up things for people who've had too much jangle in their lives -- i.e. Roger McGuinn's Cardiff Rose, or the Rolling Thunder Revue, all going back to people seeing him as the muscle that kicked David "Occasional Dream" Bowie into gear. - --- Connells-- I have a sneaking like for pop, tho not Advil Laverne. The Connells sound ironic, weird and raw compared to Harper's Bizarre, but I guess there was something weird & ironic about Harper's Bizarre, tho perhaps not intentional. - --- The March-- I was there. It was cold & there were tons of people but I managed to avoid Jesse Jackson & Al Sharpton. Didn't see anyone really, just thousands of other shmoes. Ross Taylor "But the thoughts about the Spaniards gold and learnin' to desire it Can make a man so brash and bold he'll soon become a pirate pull away me lads of the Cardiff Rose and hoist the Jolly Roger" Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 08:28:30 -0800 (PST) From: Perry Amberson Subject: Re: desire and action drew wrote -- >>> Um, except that civilized societies don't punish people for what they _want_ to do <<< to which gSs replied -- >>> that is not correct. you can be thrown in jail in most of the world including the us for simply making threats against certain individuals, even without truly knowing what they _want_ to do. in addition, people to whom it is determined are a threat to the well being of the general population are often incarcerated. this happens in most if not all the world. i guess earth is composed entirely of uncivilized people who are completely unnatural. <<< to which I say -- This emotionally charged and completely off-topic thread has become as tiresome as a modern day Who concert. By the way, gSs, until law enforcement officials have dependable mind-reading equipment, people really can't be punished for what they merely "want" to do. The fact that people can be incarcerated for making threats to other people only proves that making threats is a crime. I dare say that all of us on the list are completely opposed to the abuse (sexual and otherwise) of children. And wherever we might stand on sexually explicit material, I doubt that any of us support the creation, distribution, and consumption of sexually explicit material whose subjects are powerless to choose to participate in it. This topic appears to have hit some of us in an oversensitive spot, but these hysterical "castrate 'em all, let God sort 'em out" messages do no-one any good. Whether Pete Townshend derives pleasure (mixed with pain or not) from looking at the material he purchased with his credit card--and we will never really know for certain unless it's true and he decides to confess--he's made a huge error in judgment. At least I hope dealing with the damage control from this little escapade keeps him from releasing any new music for a while. Bye for now, Perry ________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:44:19 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: puck lives On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Perry Amberson wrote: >> to which gSs replied -- >> .....in addition, people to whom it is determined are a threat to the >> well being of the general population are often incarcerated. this >> happens in most if not all the world. i guess earth is composed >> entirely of uncivilized people who are completely unnatural. > to which I say -- > This emotionally charged and completely off-topic > thread has become as tiresome as a modern day Who > concert. By the way, gSs, until law enforcement > officials have dependable mind-reading equipment, > people really can't be punished for what they merely > "want" to do. you say "they can't really be", yet they are. > The fact that people can be incarcerated for making threats to other > people only proves that making threats is a crime. even though in civilized societies, a threat does not reveal the person's true intentions or thoughts? > I dare say that all of us on the list are completely > opposed to the abuse (sexual and otherwise) of > children. And wherever we might stand on sexually > explicit material, I doubt that any of us support the > creation, distribution, and consumption of sexually > explicit material whose subjects are powerless to > choose to participate in it. i am starting to doubt that. i don't mean that directed at you particularly. > This topic appears to have hit some of us in an > oversensitive spot, but these hysterical "castrate 'em > all, let God sort 'em out" messages do no-one any > good. that is a bit of an overstatment because i feel only the maggots and worms can sort out the good parts. god talks out his ass anyway and jesus was just a fucking slacker. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:54:09 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: puck lives Where would one find god's arse (and be aware that "at the top of her legs" would be dodging the question...)? And as an ordained priest of the church of the Subgenius, calling Jesus a slacker is a compliment, pink boy... Cheers Matt >From: The Wisdom of Chairman Shell >god talks out his ass anyway and jesus was just a fucking slacker. >gSs - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:11:50 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: puck lives On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, matt sewell wrote: > Where would one find god's arse (and be aware that "at the top of her > legs" would be dodging the question...)? follow your ears and you will find god's ass. god is just an overindulgent angel with the biggest mojo. > And as an ordained priest of the church of the Subgenius, calling Jesus a > slacker is a compliment, pink boy... greetings father, i was ordained by the church of spiritual humanism and i am leading a rebellion to kill any higher-power by means of dry, protected, anal copulation. if i ever meet god, i will fuck him up the ass until he is dead. see, i'm not all that bad. i did not mean slacker in a good way. more like a really really bad lover, he smells and farts during oral sex purposefully because he knows it annoys his lover. i wonder if jesus gets the child porn channel in heaven? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:22:29 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: desire and action Quoting gSs : > On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, drew wrote: > > Um, except that civilized societies don't punish people for > > what they _want_ to do, > > that is not correct. you can be thrown in jail in most of the world > including the us for simply making threats against certain individuals, > even without truly knowing what they _want_ to do. in addition, people > to > whom it is determined are a threat to the well being of the general > population are often incarcerated. First, a threat is more of an action than a desire. Second, the difference between free speech ("George Bush is such a complete asshole and we'd be better off if he got hit by a bus") and threat ("Someone oughta toss Bush in front of a bus - if I ever see the bastard I just might do it...") is quite iffy, and the clearest defense of a threat is to claim it's an exercise of free speech. One way to evaluate that is to evaluate the likelihood that the person will carry out the threat: someone with no violent history who just comments to a friend is unlikely; someone collecting weapons and bombs with several assault charges and a history of mental instability (not that I'm talking about anyone here) is more likely. Or are you implying that you want to live in a country where merely saying that you disagree with policies can get you thrown in jail? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 09:33:31 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: see ya later boi > From: gSs > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, drew wrote: > > Um, except that civilized societies don't punish people for > > what they _want_ to do, > > that is not correct. you can be thrown in jail in most of the world > including the us for simply making threats against certain individuals, > even without truly knowing what they _want_ to do. Right, so you're jailing them for actually voicing the threat, and what they want to do doesn't enter into the picture. You're supporting my argument. Viewing child pornography (or any kind of pornography, for that matter) is an action, not a desire. Producing child pornography is another action. Participating in it is a third action. The three may be related, but they are and should be as distinct legally as murder, assault, and watching Faces of Death. That is, in a civilized society. Texas may not be one of those. > in addition, people to > whom it is determined are a threat to the well being of the general > population are often incarcerated. Please provide examples. Assuming this occurs without a single incident of violence or attempted violence, I'm not convinced it's a civilized behavior. > this happens in most if not all the > world. i guess earth is composed entirely of uncivilized people who are > completely unnatural. I said "societies," not "people," but otherwise that sounds pretty accurate to me. > From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" I think the reaction you've received is very mild and not at all dissimilar to the tone of any such involved discussion of a highly charged emotional/political topic on the feglist. Think back to any of these discussions we've had in the past; they're all pretty much like this. I implied it was your fault, but really I think the odds favor a few sparks with conversations like these. > From: gSs > > people do things they believe are wrong all the time. More precisely, people sometimes do things they believe are wrong and, in most cases, avoid doing things they believe are wrong most of the time. - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 10:26:12 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Good god, y'all! gSg: >>i think monogamy is naturally flawed as results have proven (etc. etc.) Riiiiiight. I hear this one all the time. That's why "free love" worked out so well, as results have proven (etc. etc.). The truth is that people get jealous. Infidelity pisses people off. Fights ensue. Hearts are broken. Bones, too. Less gets done for the "greater good". Parental responsibility is lost in the mix. Nice utopian dream, love the one you're with, but to me, "marriage" and "adultery" etc. are simply labels that correspond to the way people pretty much would, and should, conduct themselves anyway if they don't wanna be pissed off all the time. It's easy if you're mature enough to acknowledge the occasional attraction to someone other than your partner, chill out and let it run its course, which I think is what Jeff was saying. Maybe you can't do that or don't see the need to. Which is fine; go on with your bad self. But remember that your partners might expect more from you... for god's sake, be respectful of other human beings and their feelings, even of you don't share them. >>having sex or at least proposing this idea to any adult at any time is your right. Sure. But often, totally apart from social mores, you shouldn't. Doing so might deeply hurt someone else. Might screw up a working relationship. Might, in other words, exchange a transient pleasure for dire longterm consequences. Honestly, you're just pushing buttons and acting innocent when you offend your targets. Congrats, pushed one of mine. Whatever. You're a misanthrope and you know it. It's spelled "masturbate" and I shudder to guess what inspires you to do it. ____ Jeff D: >>Besides, everyone knows the original version of "B&B" kicks the grey >>album's versions ass. Oh yeah. Another direct sign of the listlessness of that record... after two attempts at a "new" album, it still ended up with a re-recorded a b-side on it. ____ So the next two months will bring new releases from Robyn, the Go-Betweens, Throwing Muses, Kristin Hersh solo, Massive Attack, and compilations from Laika and the Clean. That's five brand new records from habitual Rex year-end top tenners. And I'm pretty sure I'm forgetting someone. Looking good. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 11:04:48 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: bye It's been a lot of fun but I think I need to unsubscribe, if only for a little while. I'll stick around on feg-announce and I'm sure I'll see at least the SF Bay fegs at future gigs. I've really enjoyed getting to know and conversing with all of you, if only in ASCII. Thanks for having me. Drew - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 12:24:41 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Maligning Lavigne Ross O, then Drew, on the feisty Ms. Lavigne: >>>>didn't succumb >>> to Arista's initial requests to market herself like Jenny from the >>> Block, or Brittney. >>So how is she "marketing herself"? Because she looks and sounds >>exactly like the bland "modern rock" flavor of BristinaLo to me. So, Artistic Integrity v.2003 can be summed up as follows: "How dare you market me as something intrinsically shitty, when what I really am is a shitty version of something else?!?" It seems to pay off, though, as "culturally minded" music critics feel like they have to mention this kind of stuff (Pink, anyone?) just to prove they're not entirely aloof and pretentious. That sure doesn't work too well, does it? >> I can't wait to read the graphic novel adaptation in which Gandalf shows up >>and exorcises Virginia Woolf! For some reason this reminded me of the hilarious SNL commercial spoof featuring "Philadelphia" action figures. That and the "Remains of the Day" lunch box from "Waiting for Guffman". Odd trivia: the marketers for "Guffman" actually made "Remains of the Day" lunchboxes as promo items, but couldn't get Anthony Hopkins (I think) to sign off on the use of his image, so they redid them to be plain old Guffman lunchboxes, which admittedly is funny itself but not especially rich in context. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 14:24:19 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: desire and action On Tue, 21 Jan 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Quoting gSs : > > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, drew wrote: > > > Um, except that civilized societies don't punish people for > > > what they _want_ to do, > > > > that is not correct. you can be thrown in jail in most of the world > > including the us for simply making threats against certain individuals, > > even without truly knowing what they _want_ to do. in addition, people > > to > > whom it is determined are a threat to the well being of the general > > population are often incarcerated. > > First, a threat is more of an action than a desire. Second, the difference > between free speech ("George Bush is such a complete asshole and we'd be > better off if he got hit by a bus") and threat ("Someone oughta toss Bush > in front of a bus - if I ever see the bastard I just might do it...") is > quite iffy, and the clearest defense of a threat is to claim it's an > exercise of free speech. agreed. but watching a film of naked children for arousal is an action that is illegal and supports the entire industry and therefore should be punished at the same level as someone who runs the website that sells the porn, acquires the films from the maker, makes the film or is in any way involved from recruiting to viewing. these people are all the same and should be treated as such. you may not agree with this and that is your right. > One way to evaluate that is to evaluate the likelihood that the person > will carry out the threat: someone with no violent history who just > comments to a friend is unlikely; someone collecting weapons and bombs > with several assault charges and a history of mental instability (not > that I'm talking about anyone here ) is more likely. so some people can make threats against particular individuals and some people can't. that doesn't make sense. > Or are you implying that you want to live in a country where merely saying > that you disagree with policies can get you thrown in jail? of course not, but as i said before, disagreeing with a policy and voicing your opinion is quite a bit different than masturbating to child pornography and supporting the industry by purchasing these products. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:31:00 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: The unsual (usual or unusual?) dribs n drabs >Not that that really advances any argument here, but it does seem glaringly >obvious that people are willing if not eager to look at at some stuff they >wouldn't do themselves. Videogames really underline this point, don't they? >How does "Grand Theft Auto" sell... pretty well, right? ISTR that Texas Chainsaw Massacre was a pretty popular movie in its time. Did the people who enjoyed that movie want to be the killer or the victims? Or neither? >> Um, except that civilized societies don't punish people for >> what they _want_ to do, > >that is not correct. you can be thrown in jail in most of the world >including the us for simply making threats against certain individuals, >even without truly knowing what they _want_ to do. in that case you're not punishing them for what they want to do. The threat itself is a crime. You never been threatened? It can be as frightening and scarring as an actual act of violence. GsS also said: >that is not natural. or should i say naturally normal. there should be >nothing to stop you from at least attempting to consumate your desires. >you are defending your ideals using the very thing I believe is a problem. >having sex or at least proposing this idea to any adult at any time is >your right. "socially disapproved of", oh shit, be careful, someone might >be watching and you know what they'll be saying about us at the bingo hall >tonight, for example. consenting adults should be allowed to do anything >to each other or themselves, without exception. "there should be nothing to stop you from at least attempting to consumate your desires.", "consenting adults should be allowed to do anything to [...] themselves, without exception." These sentences suggests that its alright for them to masturbate while watching kiddieporn. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:39:32 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Finally saw... Finally saw the second LoTR movie last night. Minor spoilers follow for the tiny number of people on the planet who have not read the book or seen the movie, but are going to see the movie sometime. Very good, but extremely distracting - I never realised Alice's parents lived in Rohan! Much of the area around Edoras was filmed within a few miles of where they live, some 100km from here. Perhaps, though, this is a measure of Peter Jackson's success. If I were to analyse my distraction, I'd say it wasn't so much a case of "I can't believe that's MiddleEarth - that's the Maniototo", it was more a case of "Hell's bells, I never knew the Maniototo had such a rich history!". That's a success. Oh, and I realise that "Bigger than Ben Hur" is a clichi, but I suspect that you can correctly describe the battle of Helm's Deep that way, especially the arrival of the Gondorians. James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:04:57 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: A small request. I am really sad about the whole Townsend thing and can understand everyone's concern about the scourge of child pornography. I also belong to a music listserv and although I do enjoy most off topic subjects this one is a real drag. While I do not want to have anyone curtail discussing anything that they wish to, I for one would appreciate something to designate that the email being sent is about porn. I have tried to delete the emails as I have become bored with them but the subject keeps changing, maybe 'OT Porn' in the subject or something. Am I alone in this? Max _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:09:41 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: A small request. on 1/21/03 3:04 PM, Maximilian Lang at maximlang@hotmail.com wrote: > I am really sad about the whole Townsend thing and can understand everyone's > concern about the scourge of child pornography. I also belong to a music > listserv and although I do enjoy most off topic subjects this one is a real > drag. While I do not want to have anyone curtail discussing anything that > they wish to, I for one would appreciate something to designate that the > email being sent is about porn. I have tried to delete the emails as I have > become bored with them but the subject keeps changing, maybe 'OT Porn' in > the subject or something. Am I alone in this? > > No, you're not. It's gotten way out of hand. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:32:44 -0500 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: OT - WAV editing, eliminating 2-second pauses Hi - This is a little off-topic but I'm in a jam: I have to edit a WAV file on Windows of a live recording I've made. It's a large file. Can anyone recommend good free or cheapware tools that work well for this? I need to burn a CDR with this number included - it's live so I don't want 2-second pauses. Looking for recommendations of similar software that'll burn an audio CD without the pauses. Tried tapermaniax but didn't see my post cross. Sorries in advance all around, Tim NP - Clem Snide live at Tonic 1/15/03 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 15:40:57 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: OT - WAV editing, eliminating 2-second pauses >I have to edit a WAV file on Windows of a live recording I've made. >It's a large file. Can anyone recommend good free or cheapware tools >that work well for this? I use feurio. It has a nice easy to use track editor. You can take the one big WAV file and break it in to as many tracks as you need. Discard all the bits you don't. It wont actually edit the WAV file but it will get the CD tracks how you want them. It also works as great burner software and you can sset it so there are not any breaks between tracks. http://www.feurio.com/English/index.shtml ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 18:51:23 -0500 From: "Roberta Cowan" Subject: RE: OT - WAV editing, eliminating 2-second pauses CDWave works very well for editing .wav files also: www.cdwave.com/ ------------------------------ Date: 21 Jan 2003 16:24:35 -0800 From: "da9ve stovall" Subject: Looking for Nina (Re: Reap: Hirschfeld) >Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 16:05:50 -0800 >From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" > >Subject: Re: RIP > >At 1:22 PM -0800 1/20/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "Tom Clark" and whispered: >Caricaturist Al Hirschfeld > >http://apnews.myway.com/article/20030120/D7OM4EPO0.html >Oh, man. That's sad. Part of my childhood was looking >for "Nina"s in the >Hirschfelds in every Sunday Times Arts & Leisure section. > >Mike I missed all the craft The grace of the line The beauty inherent in every design The forest was waving but the trees made me blind I was looking for Nina. Saw none of the elegance All that was there The essences captured The nuance so rare Obsessed by the messages tucked into hair I was looking for Nina. Al, be a pal And grant me one more chance I'll sway and I'll swoon and fall into a trance And savor each step of your masterful dance. - ------------------------------------------------ "Looking for Nina" Mike Keneally & Beer For Dolphins from the album _Sluggo!_, 1997 Immune Records If you haven't heard it, you won't imagine how strange this song really is. One of my Keneally favorites, . . . da9ve ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 19:51:33 -0500 From: "Timothy Reed" Subject: RE: OT - WAV editing, eliminating 2-second pauses Thanks for the help. Ended up doing what I needed with CD Wave which split my song into separate files (without gaps due to a bad MD) and Wave Merge, another shareware program, that merges those files. Then burned the whole thing - without 2 seconds pauses - using Feurio. Three shareware programs - I now owe something like $500 in shareware fees! Thanks again, Tim ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 20:04:28 -0500 From: Sabina Carlson Subject: Re: rage on omnipotent drew: > [Avril L.] > > OK, just a bit more. Compared to most of what my 14 year old > > daughter and her friends think of as good music she's Janis Joplin. > > Yeah, I guess, but when I was 14 I was getting into the Cure > and Bauhaus and Depeche Mode and Morrissey and some guy named > Robyn Hitchcock. Maybe not *Janis Joplin*, but my point is > that 14 is plenty old enough to have decent taste in music. i agree. heh heh, i am 14 and in this little hitchcock community. therefore it does mean that it is possible for a 14-year-old to like non-mainstream music. and i would have gone years ago if i had known that this existed. and my brother is eleven and listens to hitchcock, among many other things, and has been for quite some time. hmmm, so it is possible to have alternative tastes in music at a young age. i am not trying to act superior (gods i hate when people do that!), cause i know from experience how difficult it is to break away from the mainstream these days (with MTV owning just about everything in existence). i am just saying that it is possible, and that all hope should not be lost for teenage fegs :-) on a similar note, what do you think is a good song to introduce hitchcock to a college ska kid? just wondering... peace, love, unity, and it's only a poisonous plant, sabina sheena ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 22:37:37 -0500 From: Sabina Carlson Subject: sorry it just bugs me a bit er...yeah. i notice ther's been just a bit of head-biting going on for the past couple days in discussion. now, i don't mind discussion and arguments at all, but try to keep the malicious comments to yourself (unless you were really offended at something and want to address the matter publicly or whatever). maybe it's cause i am the naive little kid here but i thought that this was supposed to be a community of hitchcock fans, not a battle-zone. it doesn't happen too often, but when it does it just bugs me. like i said, i am all for discussion, because where would we be without it? just, please, i dunno, try and act a little more civil? friendly? human? towards each other? thanks and it's only a poisonous plant, sabina sheena ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2003 21:23:28 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: Cheap all region DVD player (at Fry's) --WHY? On 18 Jan 2003 at 0:17, steve wrote: > For Fegs who would like an all region DVD player, here's a tip from > another list. The clip below only mentions Region 2, but it actually > plays all regions. I'll ask, just in case I'm not the only one who doesn't get this -- Why would I go out of my way to get a player that'll handle other regions? Disabled Macrovision would be a real plus, but why region- free? I read a couple of FAQs but remain unenlightened. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #23 *******************************