From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #20 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, January 20 2003 Volume 12 : Number 020 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: gag [rosso@videotron.ca] Mad TV, Pete Townsend [barbara soutar ] who of you sent me this?/Luxor [bayard ] that horrible 'lavigne' girl & some robyn ["* randi / twofangs.productio] Re: keeping the population down [Ken Weingold ] tahiti 80 [drew ] Re: who of you sent me this?/Luxor ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #15 ["The Birdpoo" ] Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #15 [Tom Clark ] REAP [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: tunings [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] I like Avril myself [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: tunings [rosso@videotron.ca] Re: tunings ["Michael Wells" ] City of God [Ken Weingold ] UVS [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: tunings [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Challanging the World Stage ["matt sewell" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:45:54 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: gag On 17 Jan 2003 at 22:44, Jill Brand wrote: > And Rex, I PROMISE that you've heard at least one song by Avril Lavigne (I > thought her name was probably April Levine and that she changed it until I > found out that her parents were fundamental Christians somewhere in > Ontario). It's the one that goes "DA da DA da DA da DA da DA da DA da > complicated." She is a truly great lyricist. She's 17, and writes for teenies. (block your ears, Eb!) 'Nuff said. OK, just a bit more. Compared to most of what my 14 year old daughter and her friends think of as good music she's Janis Joplin. Actual band, not session musicians (though thrust together like Elton & Bernie), writes (like a 17 year old) her own stuff, didn't succumb to Arista's initial requests to market herself like Jenny from the Block, or Brittney. That said, it should be noted that Sk8ter Boi drives me up the wall. Often. In "repeat" mode. PS to James: *I* can write crap in DADGAD! You're not trying hard enough. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:07:17 -0800 From: barbara soutar Subject: Mad TV, Pete Townsend Hi all, I've totally given up on watching Saturday Night Live, but remember a time when bars would empty out 15 minutes before it came on TV. I'm thinking about 1978 or so. Nowadays I'm watching Mad TV and it's not bad at all. There was a Jenny Jones parody tonight that was hilarious. I didn't think much of the show in the past, especially when they tried to make a connection with Mad magazine by showing not very funny cartoons, but that part has been eliminated. My take on Pete Townsend: probably innocent. If not, I'll be as depressed as anyone else here. Could it be that he's deliberately set himself up so that he can publicly reveal his suspected childhood sexual abuse problem? A self-destructive urge? Barbara Soutar A resident of the wackiest province in Canada. Victoria, British Columbia ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 21:23:25 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: who of you sent me this?/Luxor I passed a ticket stub to Theo for the Museum and he needs to know who it should be credited to. it's here: http://www.theos-place.com/tickets/images/rh240702w.jpg Also, I was reading a book I bought about Egyptian Mythology and found out that Luxor is a city in ancient (and modern?) Egypt. The city lends its name to RH's forthcoming acoustic album. Could an Egyptians reunion be in the works? http://ceg.uiuc.edu/~haggag/luxor.html - -- http://glasshotel.net/glassflesh ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:55:02 -0500 From: "* randi / twofangs.productions *" Subject: that horrible 'lavigne' girl & some robyn Okay, I'm bringing this up 'cause I just read Jill's post: feg-dig #19 > And Rex, I PROMISE that you've heard at least one song by Avril Lavigne (I > thought her name was probably April Levine and that she changed it until I > found out that her parents were fundamental Christians somewhere in > Ontario). It's the one that goes "DA da DA da DA da DA da DA da DA da > complicated." She is a truly great lyricist. That girl has made it so embarrassing for some of us to be Canadian. What kind of moron doesn't know who David Bowie is -- especially since that particular moron is in the music biz. And hell - her song sk8ter boi? Gee - did I spell it right ;-) She's a real genius. But some talk show hosts are making it out to be like AL represents Canada and 'all Canadians' mispronounce Bowie or don't know who he is. That makes me feel sad ;-( However, I did so enjoy 'Craig Kilborn' saying that he always wants to call 'Avril' 'Advil' and speculated on how it is that everyone knows to pronounce her last name 'Lavigne' Seriously ... wouldn't you want to pronounce it 'La-vig-na'? And I don't know why everyone makes such a big deal about her songwriting skills. There was an expose of sorts on the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Company) and it was shown that 6 people wrote AL's songs ... she barely contributed words or melody. Although as Jill mentioned, "AL's truly a great lyricist," lol ... thanks for the smile Jill. Does everyone know how Avril got her start? During Shania Twain's Canadian tour 2 or 3 years ago, she sang a duet with a radio contest winner in every city she played. Napanee, where Avril's from, isn't too far from our nation's capital, Ottawa, Ontario. She won the singing contest the radio station had, sang with Shania, and I guess some a&r person heard her voice decided to follow up on it. It drives me crazy to know of so many good Canadian singer/songwriters and all you get in the States is Avril, Shania, and Alanis. Now I must ask if anyone has heard anything about Robyn's book? Is it something that's still in the works? For those of you who have seen "Elixirs & Remedies," is it really better than "Storefront?" Any buzz about the Soft Boys coming back to the States? ... Eb, I totally agree with you about Ian Astbury "Doorsmania-ing" up his appearance so that he superficially looks like Morrison. I was appalled when I saw 'the band' on Leno. Truly an event I wish I hadn't witnessed. ... Drew, useless trivia perhaps, but did you know Jewel used to go out with the lead singer of the Rugburns? ... Marc, I love your Jack Handey quote: "I believe in making the world safe for our children, but not our children's children, because I don't think children should be having sex." fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, Randi toronto, ontario, canada *what scares you most will set you free* ~ robyn hitchcock *by endurance we conquer* ~ sir ernest shackleton ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 02:10:34 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: keeping the population down On Sat, Jan 18, 2003, drew wrote: > [Now I'm a Cowboy] > > Same here. Luke Haines seems to give that album a lot of shit, too. > > Really? What's his beef with it? I guess it's more pop > than _After Murder Park_, but the tunes are beyond > reproach. I honestly don't remember. I just rememeber him saying something to the effect that it was crap, and After Murder Park was great. I agree on the latter, and totally disagree on the former. As I'm sure you do too. - -Ken, almost missed this because of the changed subject ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 01:33:31 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: tahiti 80 I have _Puzzle_ and I really like it, though I hardly ever listen to it. I have to be in the mood for incredibly fey and wispy yet heterosexual male vocals. And songs about wishing to be Ray Davies (I think). - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 11:57:45 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: who of you sent me this?/Luxor bayard wrote: > I passed a ticket stub to Theo for the Museum and he needs to know who it > should be credited to. it's > here: http://www.theos-place.com/tickets/images/rh240702w.jpg that's one of mine. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 18:44:49 +0000 From: "Bradley Wood" Subject: Re: 2002 Audities Top 20 Poll The Model Rockets were my favorite CD of 2002. Great songs, great harmonies, and great power pop. There is even a Robyn connection as Guitarist/voalist John Ramberg is also in Minus 5. Also, Kurt Bloch and Scott McCaughey (Young Fresh Fellows) did a wonderful job of producing it. Bradley _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 21:19:20 -0000 From: "The Birdpoo" Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #15 > Yeah! Ultra Vivid Scene's Joy 1967-1990 is a great one. Whatever happened to Kurt and his UVS? Birdpoo ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:23:42 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: fegmaniax-digest V12 #15 on 1/19/03 1:19 PM, The Birdpoo at birdpoo@btinternet.com wrote: >> Yeah! Ultra Vivid Scene's Joy 1967-1990 is a great one. > Whatever happened to Kurt and his UVS? > > Birdpoo From AllMusic.com: Ultra Vivid Scene is Kurt Ralske like Nine Inch Nails is Trent Reznor. Although Ralske's atmospheric art pop could not sound less like Reznor's thudding industrial disco, the two are not that far apart in terms of aesthetics; Ralske's lyrical obsessions with such gothy standbys as sex, religion, and death make the band's three albums naturals for the mopey black-clad teenager in us all. Ralske was born and raised in New York; something of a musical prodigy, he was accepted into the Berklee School of Music in Boston at the age of 16. Though Ralske was an accomplished keyboard player, he found new inspiration in the determined amateurism of the late-'70s New York no wave scene, which took the "anyone can do it" ethos of punk rock to its logical extreme. Thus inspired, Ralske quit music school and moved to London in 1986, picking up the guitar and observing the city's new dream pop scene (Jesus and Mary Chain, My Bloody Valentine, etc.). Ralske formed a short-lived group called Crash, named after the J.G. Ballard novel, before returning to New York in 1988 and signing to 4AD Records under the band name Ultra Vivid Scene. Despite the band name, the first two UVS records, 1988's Ultra Vivid Scene and 1990s Joy: 1967-1990, were basically solo albums. 1992's Rev found Ralske playing with other musicians for the first time, but shortly after the release of that album, Ralske retired the band name and spent several years working as producer and studio musician for the likes of Ivy, Lloyd Cole, and Richard Davies. In the late '90s, Kurt Ralske returned under the band name Cathars, releasing the ambient electronica work Amorphous in 1999. Stewart Mason ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 13:43:10 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: REAP Douglas Herrick, 82, Father of the Jackalope, Is Dead You will have to sign in, but it is free and you can always fake info http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/19/obituaries/19HERR.html?pagewanted=print&position=top ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 12:57:22 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: tunings >As for guitar tunings. Avoiding lutes, which are too varied on not direct >descendants >of the guitar. We have the vihuela (renaissance perioid) with 6 courses >tuned as >E,B,F#,D,B,E descending - as modern guitar but the "none 4th" tuning is >D->F# instead >of G->B. Also the renaissance guitar, simillar in construction to the >vihuela had four courses >tuned as the top four strings of the modern guitar. The baroque guitar is a >liitle odd, there >are five courses tuned (descended) E,B,G,D, then A but the A is a tone above >the G rather >than being below the D. These courses where in pairs tuned in unison, except >the D pair which >were tuned an octave apart (the top D being the tone below the top E). on a completely related note, can anyone here tell me how a charango should be tuned? James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 19:22:28 EST From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: I like Avril myself <> If you'll compare the lyrics from this album to the lyrics from Britney Spears' first album, however, Avril's songs look like the works of Shakespeare. I think this is a fantastic pop album, if you don't like bubble gum pop then you won't agree. (Then again I always liked "The Pina Colada Song" so what do I know.) Hollie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 18:42:12 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: tunings On 20 Jan 2003 at 12:57, James Dignan wrote: > on a completely related note, can anyone here tell me how a charango should > be tuned? No google in NZ? "charango tuning" got me this in 3 seconds: http://www.ancient-future.com/guitar/charango.html But dead amadillos are so limiting. I've played over 20 species of live xenarthrans, and I've found they almost always produce fine music. NP: three toed sloth ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 20:18:20 -0600 From: "Michael Wells" Subject: Re: tunings Ross: > NP: three toed sloth Archtop or flat? Michael "have you tried a chinchilla?" Wells ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 23:16:01 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: City of God I went to see the Brazilian movie City of God (Cidade de Deus) tonight. VERY good film. I highly recommend seeing it. For those in NY, it is playing at Angelika. Just opened last night and has been packed every show from what I hear. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:33:15 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: UVS Quoting The Birdpoo : > > Yeah! Ultra Vivid Scene's Joy 1967-1990 is a great one. > Whatever happened to Kurt and his UVS? He went all ambient - put out an album called _Kyrie Eleison_ which was sort of like updated Eno ambient in a bad mood, and a moderately more song-oriented item under the name "Cathars." He's done a lot of production since, I gather - don't know if he's recording at all anymore. Actually, I just did some checking...apparently he's released a couple of titles since...haven't heard 'em. But this site has some MP3s: http://home.earthlink.net/~miaumiau/releases.html Also, I don't think _Joy_ was a compilation - if somebody rendered the title _Joy 1987-1990_ I could see thinking that. (I think, actually, it comes from ^ someone's tombstone...) ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2003 22:37:21 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: tunings Quoting James Dignan : > on a completely related note, can anyone here tell me how a charango > should be tuned? Very carefully so as to avoid the spiky quills, which are venom-tipped and barbed, making them difficult and painful to remove. ..Jeff, who once shot a charango in his pajamas... J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: This album is dedicated to anyone who started out as an animal and :: winds up as a processing unit. :: --Soft Boys, note, _Can of Bees_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 10:13:39 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: Challanging the World Stage No offence to Kay, but I have the image in my head of Rev. Lovejoy's wife from the Simpsons saying "won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!". It seems like child abuse and the porn made therefrom is an issue that one has to have a certain level of hysteria before discussing without being branded some sort of pervert. A sure sign of a taboo... As for stringin' them up and cuttin' their balls off, well, I think that perhaps if the penalty for viewing child porn and making it were the same, there may be many more people (well, I guess men) likely to make it. If one will be hung for a lamb one may as well be hung for a sheep, as the saying goes... Cheers Matt >From: The Great Quail >Hold back, Kay. I am not against you, I just have a different appreciation >of the nuances of the argument, and a different notion of the spectrum of >applied justice. It does not mean that I am oblivious to the children >involved, that I only care about castration, or that I am not listening to >you. > >Respectfully, > >--Quail - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #20 *******************************