From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #19 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, January 18 2003 Volume 12 : Number 019 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Challanging the World Stage [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Re: Rainy Stage in Blowland [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] gag [Jill Brand ] Re: Challanging the World Stage [Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey ] Cheap all region DVD player (at Fry's) [steve ] Re: we were never being boring [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: Challanging the World Stage [Jeff Dwarf ] Sex Gang Children ["Marc Holden" ] guitar tunings ["Brian Hoare" ] keeping the population down [drew ] Fwd: 2002 Audities Top 20 Poll [steve ] Re: Fwd: 2002 Audities Top 20 Poll [Eb ] Re: Re: Fwd: 2002 Audities Top 20 Poll [Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Challanging the World Stage Quoting Aaron Mandel : > On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome wrote: > > > Exact same intention-reading helmet we Yanks have. Physical evidence, > > sworn testemony, reason. What other one is there? > > So you figure, if Pete really was just doing research, he'll be able to > prove it? Forcing people to prove their innocence is a crappy way for a > system of justice to run, which is why, in theory, we do things the > other > way around. > > If you support massive criminal penalties for people who look at child > porn once (whether or not they report it to the authorities > immediately) > that's fine. But don't think that you can then shrug and say "of > course, > if he's actually doing it for the good of society he should find his > way > out". One can't count on the morally deserving finding loopholes as a > safeguard in an otherwise overzealous system. Which brings me to what I realized I've been wanting to say in several of my recent posts: one thing about the Townshend scenario that strikes me is either he's telling the truth, or if he's lying, he's doing so in a very consistent pattern (writing about it on the web more than a year ago, calling the police about what he'd seen, etc.) that might even suggest the prototypical cry for help. And that's the difference between people who are "just looking" and the real creeps out there: with the first set, it seems likely they can be treated and helped. I'm less sure about the second set - and anyway, by that point preventing any further violation takes precedence over helping the perpetrator thereof. - --Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: PLEASE! You are sending cheese information to me. I don't want it. :: I have no goats or cows or any other milk producing animal! :: --"raus" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:27:16 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: WHOA Rex wrote: "But-- and here I'm in for it big time-- Morrissey himself was to my mind just THIS far from being a major liability to the Smiths." OK, so I just picked myself up off the floor. Jesus, if ever there were two people who needed each other creatively they were Johnny Marr and Steven Patrick Morrissey. I admit a passion for two post-Smiths records (Viva Hate and Bona Drag), but the Smiths were something that NO ONE will ever re-create. There was a ton of great music back then in the early-mid 80s, but for me, the Smiths stood way out above the rest, so much so that I happily weathered taking a midnight bus back from NYC to Boston (so I could teach the next morning) after a Smiths concert (at the Beacon?) while sitting directly behind a very born again born again who read scripture aloud all night. That's how good they were as a group. The funny thing was that, in the States at least, they were much bigger after their demise than they were during their existence. They got much more airplay after 1987 than they did before. As for Morrissey's lyrics, many of them can stand on their own without a note behind them, my favorite to date being "and you find that you organize your feelings for people who didn't like you then and do not like you now." Furthermore, well, what Drew said! How did we get on this subject anyway? Jill, now humming "What Difference Does It Make?" ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:41:57 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Rainy Stage in Blowland Quoting James Dignan : > >Another answer: if you tune a guitar to a major chord (say, D), it > then > >becomes very difficult to play many minor chords - most particularly, D > minor. > > DADF#AD + 003300 = DAFAAD = Dm That's what I get for *not* working out chords in my head before posting! Although I will state that the *voicing* of that Dm is very strange indeed: *three* fifths?!? I'm too lazy to try alternate tunings - I hate retuning my guitar. Of course, I own only one - and I hardly every play it anymore. Too busy typing, it seems... Re Age of Consent: weren't we just talking about New Order? I think in the US, or at least in some states, there's some business about age difference between partners...so the two young lovers whose birthdays are three days apart don't find the older one guilty of statutory rape for the three days when one's of age and the other isn't. (In my case it would have been four and half months or so...) Y'know, this whole thing reminds me of another interesting cultural variable that I was most recently reminded of by the movie _Tadpole_. Okay, does anyone else think a light comedy about a 15-year-old girl pursuing 40-year-old men would be made today? Or if it was, that critics wouldn't be all over it as a preposterous male fantasy? Then again, probably not many 15-year-old girls would be interested in 40-year-old men. Whereas most 15-year-old boys are interested in anything female at all... Still, it's interesting that the 40/15 thing would be generally regarded as harmful to the 15 if she's a she - but not so generally if the 15 was a he. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad np: Absolutely Kosher _Mitzvoth_ (2003 sampler) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 22:44:50 -0500 (EST) From: Jill Brand Subject: gag Rex wrote: " 10,000 Maniacs were actually preachy in addition to being earnest-- literally every song was about an "issue" (and none were subtle)." Man, no one can get my gag reflex going as fast as Natalie Merchant. My fingers instinctively push buttons on the car radio before I even know why when a 10,000 Maniacs song comes on. Uggghhhh. And Rex, I PROMISE that you've heard at least one song by Avril Lavigne (I thought her name was probably April Levine and that she changed it until I found out that her parents were fundamental Christians somewhere in Ontario). It's the one that goes "DA da DA da DA da DA da DA da DA da complicated." She is a truly great lyricist. Jill ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 21:50:15 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Challanging the World Stage Quoting "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" : > But the fact is that nothing this society can do seems to be able to > derail > people with a sexual yen for children. "Help" dosnt seem to help, hence > the > unusal amount of repeat offenders. This is highly illogical, Captain. If someone with a yen for children *does not* act on that desire, either by buying porn or worse, we quite likely will not know about it. (As you imply below, in fact.) If these people don't act on their > desires, there is no crime. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: it's not your meat :: --Mr. Toad ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:10:55 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Rainy Stage in Blowland On Friday, January 17, 2003, at 09:41 PM, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > Still, it's interesting that the 40/15 thing would be generally > regarded as > harmful to the 15 if she's a she - but not so generally if the 15 was > a he. It will still land the adult female in the slammer in most states. Utah might be the exception. - - Steve __________ There is no precedent in any modern White House for what is going on in this one: a complete lack of a policy apparatus.  What you've got is everythingand I mean everythingbeing run by the political arm. It's the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis. - John DiIulio, 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:17:15 -0600 From: steve Subject: Cheap all region DVD player (at Fry's) For Fegs who would like an all region DVD player, here's a tip from another list. The clip below only mentions Region 2, but it actually plays all regions. > If any of you are looking for a good, cheap DVD player that will play > Region > 2 discs, Frys Electronics has the Yamakawa 218 on sale again for > $53.99. I > bought one of these for $46 at Xmas time, and was so impressed I > picked up a > second, and it's become my main unit. The Yamakawa is a German company > importing Chinese-made equipment with a fake Japanese name (don't you > just > love the world economy?) The only drawbacks with the unit: it has no > LED > display on the unit (just a power light) and there's no frame-by-frame > advance. The pros are amazing though: it plays everything (all regions, > CDR,RW,VCD,DVD-R,MP3,etc) flawlessly. - - Steve __________ Maybe in the Scalia household they make you pee into a cup just for being alive. - Dahlia Lithwick ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 23:12:12 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: we were never being boring Eb wrote: > This also reminded me again of how pissed I am at myself for > forgetting to watch Interpol on Conan (or was it Letterman?), last > week. Letterman; I have the audio saved at work, with the intent on saving it for myself as an MP3 at some point (one of the stations is simulcasting Letterman on the radio. They did a rather good (I though) version of "PDA." ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 00:49:37 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Challanging the World Stage Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > But the problem (as Jeff Dwarf pointed out, or at least implied) is > that rape is not a crime of arousal but a crime of violence, done > from a desire to do or see damage to another person. Take away the > specifically sexual component, and the rapist will still violate > another. Chemical castration assumes that the problem is > unconstrained sexuality Exactly. Taking away a rapist's dick doesn't stop him -- it just forces him to find other weapons, and _very_ few rapists are considerate enough to invest in a nice, ergonomically designed dildo. They'll just grab a kitchen knife or whatever so that the victim is not just raped but mutilated. On a happier note, erm, just about anything else. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 01:55:40 -0700 From: "Marc Holden" Subject: Sex Gang Children >Now I find out Sex Gang Children are playing SF. I don't own anything from them. Is there something you recommend? Oddly enough, I did see them back in 1982, during a visit to London (if I recall correctly, it was at a club off of Upper Woburn place or just north of it in the Chalkfarm area). Not a particularly memorable show, but enjoyable all the same. Later, Marc I believe in making the world safe for our children, but not our children's children, because I don't think children should be having sex. Jack Handey ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 17:38:53 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: guitar tunings >My guess is that the standard tuning of the guitar developed out of the >tuning of other instruments which were symmetrical, like the mandolin. The >mandolin's tuning is in 5ths, and as such its 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th pairs >of strings are tuned the same (or at octave differences) from the guitar's >6th, 5th, 4th and 3rd strings respectively (G D A E). I believe that the >violin's tuning is the same as this, but - never having been able to master >the scratchy slidy thing - I don't know this for sure. Violin is indeed G,D,A,E (ascending). As for guitar tunings. Avoiding lutes, which are too varied on not direct descendants of the guitar. We have the vihuela (renaissance perioid) with 6 courses tuned as E,B,F#,D,B,E descending - as modern guitar but the "none 4th" tuning is D->F# instead of G->B. Also the renaissance guitar, simillar in construction to the vihuela had four courses tuned as the top four strings of the modern guitar. The baroque guitar is a liitle odd, there are five courses tuned (descended) E,B,G,D, then A but the A is a tone above the G rather than being below the D. These courses where in pairs tuned in unison, except the D pair which were tuned an octave apart (the top D being the tone below the top E). As an extra aside. In the period of the above instruments almost all music written for fretted instruments was written in tab. The "standard notation" used in transcriptions for classical guitarists is less "authentic" than tab versions of these pieces that non reading guitarists may play from. Brian np Electric Prunes , Lost Dreams _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 16:28:30 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: keeping the population down > From: Ken Weingold > [Now I'm a Cowboy] > Same here. Luke Haines seems to give that album a lot of shit, too. Really? What's his beef with it? I guess it's more pop than _After Murder Park_, but the tunes are beyond reproach. > From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) > > It's slowly dawning on me from all this conversation that if I was in the > US I would have been labelled a sex offender. Age of consent in NZ is 16. Age of consent in the US varies from state to state as well. It's 18 in NY, though, and when I was 18 I had a 16-year-old girlfriend. We broke the law cheerfully, repeatedly, and consensually. > From: "Rex.Broome" > [Mozzer] > I kinda do like some of his solo songs. Not enough to buy even a "Best of", > but, you know, most folks love or hate him and I'm kinda lukewarm. But-- > and here I'm in for it big time-- Morrissey himself was to my mind just THIS > far from being a major liability to the Smiths. Oh shit... here it comes... Nah, I kinda figured you were in that camp. My own position on the matter is, in short, that the Smiths minus Morrissey would have been utterly without personality or style. They would have been nothing more than just another jangly guitar band. My evidence for this? Electronic (whose best songs were really Neil Tennant songs), for one. You want to talk about major liabilities, by the way, look no further than Bernard Sumner, whose voice has always made Morrissey's sound like fuckin' Pavarotti (and let's not even talk about lyrics or rhythm). I know Marr has worked with everyone else on the planet, but he's like tofu, taking on the flavor of whoever he's with, and not really setting any real direction of his own. I haven't hear Johnny Marr and the Healers yet, and I would love to be proven wrong, but I think the Smiths _were_ Morrissey, to everyone but the critics, and as good as those instrumentals were. I see this phenomenon even more clearly with Suede. Now I honestly thought the band was done once Bernard Butler split. My first listens to each of the albums following that seemed to confirm the theory. But gradually each one of those has grown on me to the point where I listen to them easily as much as the first two albums (usually more, since they're new and less overfamiliar). Bernard Butler's solo albums, on the other hand...P.U. And oh my god, the collaborations with McAlmont...shudder. I never would have predicted that Brett Anderson was the more tasteful of the two, especially with those lyrics, but what do you know! So while I think it would be nice to imagine that the quiet, unassuming guitarist really was the heart of both bands, I'm afraid I just don't see any evidence that that's the case. > You know Eb's gripe about Scott Miller and his short melodic attention span, > and meandering recursive such-and-such? Not really, since I'm not at all familiar with Miller and I have no idea who I would agree with in his case. It does sound like he has more of a "shtick" than Morrissey. > But while I've never read much about Mozza's writing process, > from what I hear I'd almost guarantee he usually has his lyrics (and song > titles!) written before he even hears the musical piece they go with. Assuming that's what he does, I don't see how that's inherently a problem. I think it's really more a matter of writing lyrics that are compatible with a style of song than hearing the music first (and how is it any wiser to write the music without hearing the lyrics that will be set to it?). When I was singing in choirs and chamber groups, we performed some really horrible, horrible pieces that were composed using free-verse poetry as lyrics. The number of songs I have written is exactly zero, so I probably have no idea what I'm talking about, but I know that whatever the process, the results are songs that I would hardly describe as not being melodic enough, in the case of both the Smiths and Moz solo. > So > you get these awkward clustered logjams of words in the middle of the lines, I can imagine what you're thinking of here, but what can I say? They sound great to me -- I don't know if I would say "bracingly unpredictable," but I don't think it sounds "sloppy" either. Do you have the same objection to Jarvis Cocker's lyrics? > If the musical piece is really obviously > structured you might get a chorus, but don't count on it. Are you really talking about the Smiths, or about the Morrissey songs you haven't been following too closely? "Don't count" on a chorus? I mean, I guess they're not all as straightforward as "ooh, baby, I love your way" but is that really what you demand? > And I hear > misplaced rhymes and all kinds of stuff like that. Can you think of any examples? > And the music to his solo material... it's odd to me that, when he doesn't > write the music himself, he inevitably chooses collaborators who hew so > closely to the model of his old band. I'm hard-pressed to think of a > similar artist (non-instrumentalist songwriter) who has deviated less in > style from record to record. Well, like I said, this is a criticism that does strike me as valid, and I think it's past time for Moz to branch out and work with some more diverse sounds. On the other hand, it's those "awkward" melodies I'm there for, and lyrics like "This Is Not My Country" and "Mexico" and "Reader Meet Author" and even "Margaret on the Guillotine," so if he doesn't branch out into acid jazz or trip-hop or Brazilian (I loved Kirsty MacColl, but I'm sorry, _Tropical Brainstorm_ was just embarrassing) or nu-metal I think I can live with the 60s-pop and rockabilly fixation. And I hate to say this but the most radical style deviations our Robyn has displayed in his own solo career were on _Invisible Hitchcock_. Maybe there's been a shift from Barrett and Beefheart through Lennon to Dylan in the most obvious influence, but come on, not everyone is fucking Bowie, right? (Well, everyone may be *fucking* Bowie, but not everyone is fucking *Bowie*.) > I have all their proper albums, but > I'm much more likely to listen to (obviously) the Bunnymen or even old U2 > than the Smiths. Blasphemy, I know, but of course I am a witch. Yeah, it's weird to imagine that you find Moz's melodies awkward yet you would rather listen to something like "Do It Clean," but hey, as long as we're both happy. (I have no desire to annoy Quail with further remarks about U2, old or new. :)) > Not polar opposites, my friend... but perhap exactly 90 degrees apart? Could be! I can live with that. :) > From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" [Quail:] > >and one that also strives to paint me as a "typical male" more >concerned > >with my cock and balls than the innocent victims. > > Quail, this is weird, who -are- you talking to? I swear on, not only the > Bible, but also Soft Boys(!?!)that that didn't even enter my mind. For what it's worth, that's more or less how I read your "how telling is your focus on castration" response to Quail. This is a pretty emotional topic for anyone, and I can completely understand how it would be difficult to discuss calmly, but the "how telling," the stream of "if you had read me more carefully," and the "I know far more about this than you do" could really have been expressed more respectfully. I suspect most of us agree with you more than we disagree, and your combative tone seems far out of proportion to what's actually been said. That said, Quail's response could have been gentler as well. > In fact, theres a > whole sub-problem of boys inappropriatly seduced or played with by older > woman that is not taken as seriously as it should be by our culture because > it fits some of our culture's fantasies too well. But the reality is that it > can be damaging for the boys involved. That's probably true, that it can be, but I think I'll always regret not making a move on this young student teacher we had for a while in high school who very clearly was attracted to me. I think the reality is that sex and relationships, period, can be damaging in all sorts of ways, and unfortunately there are a million shades of gray and all you can do is try to minimize the damage. One boy's most passionate fantasy can be another boy's worst nightmare. I imagine it works that way for girls, too, and there's just no way to tell who's who, even for the boys and girls involved. The best thing you can do is try to ensure that these things happen between equals so that there's a fairness of position. Incidentally, the peace rally/march in SF was pretty impressively attended. Some of the speeches were better than others. Joan Baez sang, Martin Sheen spoke (mostly rah-rah go-people stuff, like everyone else, but he was by far the best orator on the stage), and I understand Bonnie Raitt was going to say or sing something later on, but we had to come home before she came out. This was the first such event I'd ever been to, not counting gay pride parades and celebrations. I couldn't get too pumped about the idea that we were actually accomplishing anything by being there, but I'm glad I went. Drew - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:13:45 -0600 From: steve Subject: Fwd: 2002 Audities Top 20 Poll Don't know if Eb voted, but I own 1, 2,8,11,19,43, and Queens Of The Stone Age. I guess the power poppers don't care for the Soft Boys. - - Steve Begin forwarded message: > AUDITIES TOP 20 POLL 2002  FINAL RESULTS > > This is the second highest vote total ever  138 votes in total, > covering 696 records, not counting records that people voted for that > were ineligible. Not as close as last year, but until a spate of > Brendan Benson votes at the end, Wilco was oh-so-close. > > 1. Brendan Benson  Lapalco (686 pts) > 2. Wilco  Yankee Hotel Foxtrot (634) > 3. Model Rockets  Tell The Kids The Cops Are Here (586) > 4. The Shazam  Tomorrow The World (556) > 5. The Wondermints  Mind If We Make Love To You? (394) > 6. Parallax Project  Oblivious (372) > Rhett Miller  The Instigator (372) > 8. The Flaming Lips  Yoshimi Battles The Pink Robots (370) > 9. OK Go  OK Go (366) > 10. Cloud Eleven  Orange And Green And Yellow And Near (354) > 11. Phantom Planet  The Guest (352) > 12. Starbelly  Everyday And Then Some (313) > 13. Bigger Lovers  Honey In The Hive (305) > 14. Richard X. Heyman  Basic Glee (287) > 15. Gigolo Aunts  Pacific Ocean Blues (285) > 16. Superdrag  Last Call For Vitriol (274) > 17. Mayflies USA  Walking In A Straight Line (258) > 18. George Harrison  Brainwashed (250) > 19. Aimee Mann  Lost In Space (244) > 20. The Dons  Dawn Of The Dons (237) > 21. Arlo  226 > 22. The Beatifics  220 > 23. Candy Butchers  212 > 24. Elvis Costello & The Attractions  198 > 25. Sparkle * Jets U.K.  188 > 26. Tahiti 80  185 > 27. Beck  181 > 28. Fools Face  171 > 29. The Lackloves  170 > 30. Ed James  169 > 31. Doug Powell  167 > Stew  167 > 33. Spinning Jennies  166 > 34. The Churchhills  165 > 35. The Yum Yums  155 > 36. Ben Kweller  154 > Weezer  154 > 38. Myracle Brah  152 > 39. Tommy Keene  147 > 40. The Chevelles  144 > 41. Interpol  143 > 42. The Elms  142 > 43. Guided By Voices  141 > 44. Bronco Bullfrog  140 > 45. Starclock  139 > 46. The Doves  122 > 47. Supergrass  121 > 48. Blue Cartoon  119 > Queens Of The Stone Age  119 > 50. The Resonars  117 __________ American non-Christians told pollsters that evangelical Christians are better than prostitutes but worse than lawyers or lesbians. - Harper's Magazine Weekly Review, December 17, 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 19:06:13 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Fwd: 2002 Audities Top 20 Poll >Don't know if Eb voted, but I own 1, 2,8,11,19,43, and Queens Of The >Stone Age. I guess the power poppers don't care for the Soft Boys. I didn't vote. I was considering it, but once the poll-in-progress updates started appearing, the results were so incredibly alien and inexplicable to me that it didn't make any sense to participate. It'd be like pouring sand in the lemonade. Ruining the test sample's purity. If I voted, I suppose I might have boosted Beck, Interpol and the Queens a notch or two. Whoopee. I wouldn't post something this undiplomatic to the Audities list, but I have no doubt that practically every band on the list which I haven't heard is utter garbage. I mean, how could groups called "Blue Cartoon," "Bronco Bullfrog" and "The Yum Yums" NOT suck? The odds are astronomical. I own 5, 8, 24, 27, 41, Weezer and QOTSA. And I'll get 43 and 47 in the future. I rejected several others. I'm curious about Tahiti 80...that's a band I've been intending to explore. The soundclips sound possibly good. I'm also a bit curious about the Elms, because I've seen some praise for them outside the pop-dork world. Wouldn't mind hearing the Model Rockets disc, either. That's about it. I rejected an earlier Brendan Benson CD, and heard soundclips of the new one. Biiiiig fugging deal. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2003 23:30:54 -0600 (CST) From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Re: Fwd: 2002 Audities Top 20 Poll Eb on Audities: >I wouldn't post something this undiplomatic to the Audities >list, but I have no doubt that practically every band on the >list which I haven't heard is utter garbage. I mean, how could >groups called "Blue Cartoon," "Bronco Bullfrog" and "The Yum >Yums" NOT suck? The odds are astronomical. This is almost as hilarious, and just as spot on, as when Eb summed up the typical Auditeer's attitude as "Yay! Up with music!" (Don't have the original post close to hand right now, so that's what I hope is an accurate paraphrase.) >I rejected an earlier Brendan Benson CD, and heard soundclips >of the new one. Biiiiig fugging deal. I'll enter a dissent here, though. The earlier (and only other) Brendan Benson CD, ONE MISSISSIPPI, is one of the most delightfully skewed CDs of the '90s, a guy writing about insects and strawberry rhubarb and tying your girlfriend to a chair, and doing so with surprising understatement, melodic smarts, and unexpected but rewarding detours. I'd think that fans of Robyn Hitchcock would be right at home with it. This Year's Benson and Audities poll winner LAPALCO is OK, but it seems waaaay too Jason Falknerized for my taste -- too smooth and too slick. If the lyrics are a match for ONE MISSISSIPPI's, I don't know because the presentation is so tasteful and ultimately forgettable. But from what I can tell from Loud-Fans and Audities, mine is the minority view. later, Miles ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #19 *******************************