From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #17 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, January 17 2003 Volume 12 : Number 017 Today's Subjects: ----------------- OK, This Is the Guitar-Pops ["Rex.Broome" ] PS to Kay [The Great Quail ] Smithereens ["Maximilian Lang" ] Re: Cannibalism [Ken Ostrander ] Re: Cannibalism [Christopher Gross ] we were never being boring [drew ] Re: piece of arse [gSs ] Re: piece of arse ["Stewart C. Russell" ] The Importance of Not Being Earnest ["Rex.Broome" ] i don't need more ammunition [drew ] Re: we were never being boring [Ken Weingold ] Re: we were never being boring [Tom Clark ] Re: talk talk [Ken Weingold ] Re: The Importance of Not Being Earnest [Eb ] hideous norah and the rolling jellies [Ken Ostrander ] The other two issues I've been ignoring ["Rex.Broome" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:07:28 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: OK, This Is the Guitar-Pops Miles on Eb on 1990: >>But I still feel like it wasn't a special music year for me, as exemplified by the >>number of artists you cited that got a lot of college/120 Mins.-type airtime but >>did little or nothing for me: Shonen Knife, Juliana Hatfield, Lush, Sundays, >>Jellyfish (yeech!) I'm so with you on the last two. Anyways, the many great albums cited aside, my rating of the year as "subpar" had to do with two things: too many disappointing releases by usually reliable artists, and the dilution of the musical pool by too many mediocre, trendy releases. Soup Dragons and Inspiral Carpets and the other ones I can't even remember. But again, I was pretty much limiting myself to-- and I guess now I have to define it-- Music Made By Guys With Guitars and Basses and Drums That Wasn't Heavy Metal, Arena Rock, or Hardcore Punk and Is Basically Melodic and Probably Betrays the Influence of the British Invasion If Not Specifically the Beatles. I think you can pretty much name bands that would tour together under the monicker "Monsters (Thereof)". And in that realm I think you find stronger work as you go either backward or forward from that year... despite the fact that probably two of those 1990 records would be in my all-time Top 20 if I ever really did one. Dolph: >>This is what I call "Yo La Tengo Syndrome" -- latching >>onto the first rekkid you heard by a band and, while recognizing the good >>qualities of the other ones, never really giving any other recording by >>them a fair chance. That's related to "American Music Club Syndrome"... every record is pretty much equally good if not great so you end up thinking the first one you heard is clearly the best. Also known as "The Curse of the Consistent Artist". With that one you get the benefit of most loving the records that resonate with your life at the time. Or at least I do. This year it was the Sleater-Kinney album, but I have lots of them. Everclear, Key Lime Pie and West of Rome come to mind. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:05:34 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: PS to Kay PS: Yes, I do know that you did not advocate castration for one instance. It was your seemingly cavalier attitude that prompted my response. Also, there's a few other letters that seem to have "misread" your post. Perhaps all we wished for is a clarification. Thanks, - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:24:34 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Smithereens Hi, Any Fegs going to the Smithereens show @ BB Kings in NYC tonight? I wouldn't think that the Smithereens and Hitchcock have much crossover. Just thought I would ask. Kathy and I will be there. Max PS. If I hear anymore about this Townsend crap my freaking head will explode. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:26:24 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: Re: Cannibalism >> cannibalism seem equally intolerable to me. > >Man, unless you are butchering someone just to eat them, I have never seen >the big deal about cannibalism. And yes, I understand the social taboo >aspects, the health aspect, the gross-out factor, the Darwinian angle, and >so on. I just don't feel this particular taboo deep in my bones.... If I >died, I'd have no problems with my friends dining respectfully on roasted >quail. actually, i said "forcing...cannibalism". a vague reference to the recent events in the congo. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27078-2003Jan8.html i realize that there shouldn't be any problem with eating human flesh to survive...if someone wants to do so. it is a bit strange that we ingest the flesh and milk of other animals; but not our own species. ken "you are what you eat" the kenster ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:45:16 -0500 (EST) From: Christopher Gross Subject: Re: Cannibalism On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Ken Ostrander wrote: > it is a bit strange that we > ingest the flesh and milk of other animals; but not our own species. Regarding the flesh part, I don't find it strange; isn't this SOP for most carnivorous mammals? And as for the milk part, I understand that millions of people consume human milk; I've even witnessed a few in the act of doing so. They don't seem to have any problem with it, though since none of them can talk it's hard to be sure. - --Chris "mostly coffee, pasta and burritos" the Christer ______________________________________________________________________ Christopher Gross On the Internet, nobody knows I'm a dog. chrisg@gwu.edu ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 10:50:18 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: we were never being boring By the way, I have no idea how you people remember what came out in a given year. I can usually guess the year if you give me the album (assuming it's one I'm familiar with) but I would never be able to give the albums if you gave me the year. > From: "Rex.Broome" > > Solo Morrissey is an undistinguished and undistinguishable blur to me; Oh my lord. Well, actually I can kind of understand the latter opinion. Moz has never been huge on stylistic diversity, and it's become almost a joke with the last album and the new batch of songs. But even if he is rewriting the same couple songs over and over, they're songs I like, so I'm not too bothered by it. "Undistinguished" is just WRONG WRONG WRONG, of course :), and I can't imagine anyone who liked the Smiths not liking at least *one* solo Morrissey song. I wouldn't go so far as to say his solo catalog is equal to the Smiths catalog, but I don't think the quality of his writing necessarily diminished. If you were to have another look (which you shouldn't, since we've established our tastes as polar opposites :)), I would highly recommend Bona Drag and My Early Burglary Years (whose cover of "Cosmic Dancer" I have only recently been able to tolerate -- but the rest of it is brilliant), followed by Your Arsenal and the delicate Vauxhall & I (so delicate it took me several listens to start to notice it, but when I did it quickly became one of my favorites). I think the band he's with now is starting to get moribund but they gave his arrangements some much-needed muscle after Kill Uncle. I've lost track of who said they weren't excited about the music of 1989-1993 (Miles?), but I can agree with that. It's funny, because I was just getting into a lot of the bands and types of music I love during that time, but the records that were coming out just didn't feel right. I started buying CDs in 1992 and was disappointed with a lot of those (Automatic for the People, 99.9F, Us, The Red Shoes) by artists I'd loved on cassette (The Red Shoes has grown on me, but the others still don't thrill me). 120 Minutes was my best friend and I loved some of the music but thought the overall feel was sort of...brittle. Unfortunately, grunge made everything worse, in my opinion of course. > From: rosso@videotron.ca Excellent explanation! Thanks for quoting it. Drew - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:02:31 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: Re: piece of arse On Fri, 17 Jan 2003, Christopher Gross wrote: > > it is a bit strange that we > > ingest the flesh and milk of other animals; but not our own species. isn't oral sex cannabalism? stuff comes off, stuff comes out. you always get at least a little bit. i wonder if it was ever or could ever become common to slice off a small piece of your own flesh to give as a gift or token of affection? gSs ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:08:04 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: piece of arse gSs wrote: > > i wonder if it was ever or could ever become > common to slice off a small piece of your own > flesh to give as a gift or > token of affection? Vincent Van Gogh thought so. Or maybe he just did it because he found out that an entire continent would pronounce his name wrongly. The Item Formerly Known as Billy-Bob & Angelina wore vials of each other's blood. See how much good that did them... Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:40:49 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The Importance of Not Being Earnest Kay (et. al.): >>But I almost always look over the lyric sheet. I rarely read the whole thing these days, but I sometimes check lines as I listen. Honestly, many records just should not have lyric sheets. Some things that sound great or evocative when sung or paired with a melody look painfully banal when written down. Lyric sheets have occasionally spoiled records I was rather enjoying before looking at them. >>Or, even geekier, look up lyrics on the net. I like knowing what they're singing. >>Crazy, huh;-? I'd call that less geeky. I do it all the time as I think of lines I've never been able to understand for years... or to settle disputes over what the "real" words are. I often prefer my misheard versions. That potential band name "Rainland" comes from what I heard for years when Dylan-- actually McGuinn-- sang "Gate won't close/Railing's froze". ______ Miles: >>I still have an extreme dislike for the Connells. I only recently made the >>connection between the Connells and other Southern post-R.E.M. bands that I >>didn't enjoy very much, like Guadacanal Diary and Zeitgeist/Reivers -- there >>was something about the earnestness of those bands that drove me up the >>friggin' wall I hear that, and although I like some of those bands-- okay, one of them-- the "earnest" thing is awfully true. (Blaming them for Live is harsh, though.) And it's worth remembering that there were also a lot of lamely jokey bands at that time, too, and not a lot of middle gound. At the time I was fairly accepting of, although not wildly enthused about, that kind of stuff, as it was guitar-based and not entirely stupid, the two most important musical qualities to me at age +/-16. And now I occasionally enjoy hearing it because nobody else remembers it, and I still think it made my '80's musically superior to the one a lot of people experienced. Guadalcanal Diary is slight, but, then as now, sounds better to me than Frankie Goes to Hollywood or the bulk of the stuff on retro-'80's Flashback Lunches or Nu Wave compilations. However, that kind of earnestness from a modern artist will get them shitcanned right off my playlist instantly these days. I shudder to think that if Remy Zero had existed in 1986 I might have bough one of their albums, but it's a very real possibility. >>(See also 10,000 Maniacs for non-Southern variant.) Or, better yet, don't! Slight difference there, though. 10,000 Maniacs were actually preachy in addition to being earnest-- literally every song was about an "issue" (and none were subtle). Like the Alarm or the goddamn Call or-- and here's something terrifying I haven't thought of for years-- the Toll, remember them? Anyhow, the other bands you listed, and hell, toss in, like, Dreams So Real or Hetch Hetchy or whoever, may have been humorless or earnest, but at least there was a sort of abstraction to most of their lyrics that made it feel like they might have cared more about writing the song than raising money for Amnesty International. Good God, does anyone else feel like any normal person lurking and looking at this thread might believe we were just totally making up half of these bands?!?!?! ___ Eb: >>1990, a subpar year for guitar pop? That was when the whole Big Star >>revival started! I kinda thought it started with the dB's and the Replacements (and, ahem, G*me The*ry). And the Paisley Underground. Certainly it was well established by the time "Alex Chilton" was the "single" from Pleased to Meet Me. Or when the Bangles-- the Bangles, mind you-- did "September Gurls". >>Teenage Fanclub's A Catholic Education was the big >>indie-buzz album of the year. Everyone discovered the Posies Both debut records that were far outshone by later releases, in my opinion. Eb, did you unload your extra Thin White Rope discs yet? Wouldn't mind plugging that hole in my 1990 experience. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:42:43 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: we were never being boring >Drew: >By the way, I have no idea how you people remember >what came out in a given year. Databasing, dude...databasing. ;) I caught "The Doors" on Leno, last night. I found it absolutely appalling. Stewart Copeland was the only player who managed to hold onto his dignity. I've always thought Ian Astbury is one of rock's biggest sh*theads, but he actually exceeded my expectations here. I never *dreamed* that he would actually "Doorsmania" up his appearance such that he superficially looks like Morrison. That is just so crass, I can't believe it. As for his singing...well, let's just say he simulated Morrison's deteriorated L.A. Woman-era voice just a little too perfectly. Meanwhile, Manzarek opted to tunelessly shout along with the chorus, which gave the performance the aura of some graying hacks just jamming in a garage somewhere for fun. I wanted to vomit. The old sense of "mystique" was entirely gone. Though it was kinda fun seeing Manzarek finger the old solos. Is Densmore sitting this out for health reasons, or is it because of that argument he's having with Manzarek over licensing Doors songs for commercials? This also reminded me again of how pissed I am at myself for forgetting to watch Interpol on Conan (or was it Letterman?), last week. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:50:21 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: i don't need more ammunition > From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" > > To put it lightly, her phrasing is too intelligent to land her in > Jewel-land, unless she really really wants to go there for the bucks. I actually really like Jewel's voice. I've seen her in concert twice (once because she opened for Peter Murphy (who was HORRIBLE) and once because she was headlining after the Rugburns (who were lots of fun)) and I have to admit I thoroughly enjoyed both of her performances. I don't think she's a major talent but I find her pleasant enough. I suspect I'd feel the same way about Norah Jones if I listened to more of her music. But what I was referring to was the fact that -- arguably -- both are pretty attractive young women in a way that seems very marketable to me. You don't have to agree that they're hot to imagine that plenty of people probably do find their looks more arresting than their music. [chemical castration] > There are different versions, but I was thinking of the one that makes you > inoperative(no, not prozac;-). What I mean is a level that means you will > never be capable of arousal again, you will never have another orgasm. To my > mind, thats pretty drastic. Yeah, I would say that's on the drastic side. I also am not convinced that would make anyone less sociopathic; quite the opposite, I'd imagine. I suspect the drives causing the bad behavior are as much psychological as hormonal, so now you have a sociopath who's frustrated and embittered and has nothing else to lose. I could be totally wrong about criminal psych -- I have no reason to believe I have any idea what I'm talking about -- but if you really want to do something drastic I say keep them in jail or just go ahead and physically castrate them or cut off their hands or execute them. After a certain point it seems like it's darkness all the way down. > From: "Stewart C. Russell" > > (really bummed that a very intelligent, absurdly well-read > friend of his really, really likes Jewel. Maybe he just listens to her music for research purposes. > From: Miles Goosens > > Deliberate omission on my part - I still have an extreme > dislike for the Connells. Me too. In fact, the Connells pretty much exemplified everything I hated about those years and about the "college rock" scene in general. > From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" > > Gene on Jones: > >I never really gave a second thought to her looks. Ella Fitzgerald > wasn't exactly a beauty queen, but the woman could sing, which is > >fine with me. > > You know, I was keeping my mouth shut on purpose(Im shooting it off in > enough other directions at the moment;-)hoping one of you guys would make > this point. Thank you Gene. Um, what point? By observing that hot chicks get more and better record deals than exceptionally talented ones I'm somehow endorsing that phenomenon? I'm sorry, but Jones is no Ella Fitzgerald. Drew - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 14:52:27 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: we were never being boring On Fri, Jan 17, 2003, Eb wrote: > This also reminded me again of how pissed I am at myself for > forgetting to watch Interpol on Conan (or was it Letterman?), last > week. I saw it, and it was the first time I had ever heard them. I was really unimpressed. But talking to Interpol fans, they were too. So I guess you didn't miss much. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 11:59:43 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: we were never being boring on 1/17/03 11:42 AM, Eb at ElBroome@earthlink.net wrote: >> Drew: >> By the way, I have no idea how you people remember >> what came out in a given year. > > Databasing, dude...databasing. ;) > I'm still working through my collection, adding dates. Those compilation album are a bitch though! > I caught "The Doors" on Leno, last night. I found it absolutely > appalling. Man, I'm so grateful for TiVO. I don't think I would have made it through those Catherine Zeta-Jones and Josh Brolin interviews. >Stewart Copeland was the only player who managed to hold > onto his dignity. Although I thought he overplayed quite a bit. >I've always thought Ian Astbury is one of rock's > biggest sh*theads, but he actually exceeded my expectations here. I > never *dreamed* that he would actually "Doorsmania" up his appearance > such that he superficially looks like Morrison. Did you catch the "one-knee-in-the-air" jump he did for the final note? Me thinks Ian has been studying the old films quite closely. > Meanwhile, Manzarek opted to tunelessly shout > along with the chorus, He's such a tool. > > This also reminded me again of how pissed I am at myself for > forgetting to watch Interpol on Conan (or was it Letterman?), last > week. Letterman. Good performance. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:00:23 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: talk talk On Wed, Jan 15, 2003, drew wrote: > By their 5th record, you mean the self-titled album with > "Bedbugs and Ballyhoo" and "Lips Like Sugar" on it, right? > That's got some slight songs on it, I'll grant you, but > this is a surprising claim nonetheless. > > Then again, I was never a huge Bunnymen fan and still am > not. I sure wanted to like them -- McCulloch was always > gorgeous (or photographed extremely skillfully), and I > love his later mellow voice (all the yelping from the early > years can be grating) and some of the songs were fantastic -- > but I still reach for the skip button even on the compilations. > And even though I've played out McCulloch's solo albums for > the most part, I still don't think I could get excited about > the Bunnymen minus Ian. I remember getting the self-titled Echo album when it came out and not thinking much of it. Many years later I listened to it again and it really started to like it a lot. And I still like it. I think the ending song, All My Life, is beautiful. As far as Echo without McCullough, I always thought it weird as well. But I won tickets to see them in this really weird club in NJ that looked like something out of a David Lynch film, and they are actually really good. And did a very impressive cover of 2000 Light Years From Home. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:00:28 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: The Importance of Not Being Earnest >Rex: >I'd call that less geeky. I do it all the time as I think of lines I've >never been able to understand for years... or to settle disputes over what >the "real" words are. I often prefer my misheard versions. That potential >band name "Rainland" comes from what I heard for years when Dylan-- actually >McGuinn-- sang "Gate won't close/Railing's froze". When I first started websurfing and discovering The Art of the Search Engine, one of the first things I remember looking up was Brian Eno and R.E.M. lyrics. I was all naively excited to find this info on the Web...wow, lyric sheets at last! I even printed out some of the Eno lyrics, because I didn't yet have that concept in my head of "Well, you don't need to have it at *home*...it'll always be there on the Web." Silly me. > >>1990, a subpar year for guitar pop? That was when the whole Big Star >>>revival started! > >I kinda thought it started with the dB's and the Replacements (and, ahem, >G*me The*ry). And the Paisley Underground. Certainly it was well >established by the time "Alex Chilton" was the "single" from Pleased to Meet >Me. Or when the Bangles-- the Bangles, mind you-- did "September Gurls". Mmm...I dunno. Seemed like those examples were initial harbingers of the revival, rather than the revival itself. None of those bands sounded particularly like Big Star on a fundamental level...it wasn't until a bit later, when bands started being *conceived* with "Let's be a Big Star clone" foremost in their minds. Matthew Sweet, Velvet Crush, Posies, Superstar, etc. > >>Teenage Fanclub's A Catholic Education was the big >>>indie-buzz album of the year. Everyone discovered the Posies > >Both debut records that were far outshone by later releases, in my opinion. I'd agree on Teenage Fanclub, but not on the Posies. I thought Frosting on the Beater was a major, major disappointment (clearly, the Posies overstudied their reviews, and were exasperated by the formulaic band comparisons which Dear 23 drew) and Amazing Disgrace was an awkward attempt to "grunge up" their sound to be trendy. And their passion had already left the project, by the time of Success. >Eb, did you unload your extra Thin White Rope discs yet? Wouldn't mind >plugging that hole in my 1990 experience. I still have one more extra copy of Sack Full of Silver. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 15:36:02 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: hideous norah and the rolling jellies drew on norah: >>Is there really any music there? I thought she only got attention >>because she's hot. of course, she's attractive in a general sort of way; but so is her sister (half-sister?). beauty lies in the eye; hotness in the loins. i have had problems with norah because her big song that was being played on the radio every five minutes sounds to me like a ripoff of the peanuts christmas album. she makes me yawn. Eb: >I always tape/watch SNL, but feel pretty sheepish about it. In truth, I think the show pretty much died for good when Phil Hartman left. Or maybe the crucial jump-the-shark moment was the success of the "Wayne's World" films, which forever changed the show into a testing ground for godawful "skit films." Enjoy your points, Lorne.... granted; but how many snl alums have graduated beyond the skit film? more than a few. occasionally, it goes the other way with movie stars being brought in to help. though every season had talent, i'd tend to agree that the 85-86 season was the weakest. we have yet to match that low. there's always been the tendency to let an ok skit drag on and on. i really enjoyed last week when tina fey chided jimmy fallon: "that was a long joke". phil hartman and eddie murphy are my two favorite cast members. http://www.saturday-night-live.com/snl/castsbyseason.html dolph, then rex: >>>This is what I call "Yo La Tengo Syndrome" -- latching >>>onto the first rekkid you heard by a band and, while recognizing the good >>>qualities of the other ones, never really giving any other recording by >>>them a fair chance. > >That's related to "American Music Club Syndrome"... every record is pretty >much equally good if not great so you end up thinking the first one you >heard is clearly the best. Also known as "The Curse of the Consistent >Artist". With that one you get the benefit of most loving the records that >resonate with your life at the time. now that makes sense. some artists just don't change much from album to album. while they may be consistantly putting out great stuff, it can sound too samey to grab me. or rather, for me to grab them. these days, i've had to be very careful about what i buy; due to budgetary restrictions. > "Henry the VIII caught a fish at Greenchamber which he retained in a satchel until his death." ken "you're not dead, but you're almost gone" the kenster ps 1990 rocked! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 12:50:11 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: The other two issues I've been ignoring Jeffrey FF: >>One thing that pisses me off: in many US states, including mine >>(Wisconsin), we have laws whereby sex offenders are required to notify the >>community whenever they move. A couple problems here: first, "sex >>offenders" is very loosely defined (the law was passed in reaction to a >>particularly horrific child abuse/murder case) A certain paranoia does come along with this. My wife thinks it's no big deal for me to shower or change in front of my daughters. And to be honest, if I had kids of both genders, I would probably agree. But with no real other venue for them to see male, umm, you know, appendages or whatever, I don't wanna be their one example, and the main reason is that it wouldn't take much more than for one of them to innocently mention "daddy's pee-pee" at preschool for some overzealous parent to come after me and there I'd be, going door to door introducing myself as your friendly neighborhood sex offender. Not as ridiculous-- I grew up around teachers and I've heard my share of stories about nosey, morally indignant parents and the groundless legal actions they love to threaten. I know that's slightly off-topic and more symptomatic of our pathologically litigious culture than the topic at hand, but the fact that I have to shape my behavior this way (or even have to think about it, really) is starting to color my perception of these kinds of allegations. In the local news here, there's a pregnant woman who's been missing since Christmas; the husband is of course a suspect. He finally spoke to the press last night and his actual statement was pretty much, "Please feel free to make me out to be a villain or a murderer-- as long as it keeps her face in the news". The guy is either an innocent man enduring a double hell, or a better spin artist than anyone on W.'s payroll. ______ Y'know, I think I first heard Norah Jones in a live set on public radio, maybe a year and a half ago. Didn't think she was bad but she didn't catch my interest much either... but I certainly would *never* have predicted her going as mega as she has. Just didn't think people were that into that type of stuff. Maybe that indicates my lack of acumen for recognizing excellence in genres I don't know so well (assuming she IS great), or my underestimation of marketing money and its importance (assuming she's not THAT great). But I still don't even know what she looks like. I do however somehow know what Avril Lavigne looks like, and yet have never heard a lick of her music, nor, in all the press I've seen on her, have I ever read any kind of comprehensible description of the style or content of her music. Weird, huh? And who the hell is John Mayer? What radio format plays these people, and who buys their stuff? I have a feeling yet another Mystery Demographic has mushroomed into existence behind my back. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 17:14:13 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: Poetic help I need some help finding 4 syllable words that end in 'ly.' Like: Absolutely Positively Subsequently Words like that. Know any? Can I get any help? Thanks, Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2003 13:31:09 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: hideous norah and the rolling jellies on 1/17/03 12:36 PM, Ken Ostrander at kenster@MIT.EDU wrote: > some artists just don't change much from album to album. while they may be > consistantly putting out great stuff, it can sound too samey to grab me. or > rather, for me to grab them. I don't know how many Dinosaur, Jr. albums I bought before realizing this. Re the "Yo La Tengo Syndrome": I was discussing "Top 5 Albums" with a co-worker yesterday and included "Pleased To Meet Me" and "Element of Light" on my list, even though I conceded that "Tim" and "Fegmania!" were probably better albums, respectively. It's just that those two hold special remembrances for me. - -tc P.s. I like the new Donnas album, so shoot me. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #17 *******************************