From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #14 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Thursday, January 16 2003 Volume 12 : Number 014 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: The usual dribs n drabs ["Jason R. Thornton" ] RE: Nexdoorland in Amazon.com's Top Ten ["Reynolds, Russ" ] Tonight (Thursday) on Jay Leno [Tom Clark ] Re: The usual dribs n drabs ["Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" ] went to a party / didn't say a word [drew ] Re: Tonight (Thursday) on Jay Leno [Alfred Masciocchi ] Re: went to a party / didn't say a word [Tom Clark ] Re: The usual dribs n drabs [The Great Quail ] non-ugly Norah [Miles Goosens ] Re: The usual dribs n drabs [Eb ] Re: The usual dribs n drabs [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: The usual dribs n drabs [Jeff Dwarf ] Or maybe Jeff Lynne just ripped him off... ["Rex.Broome" ] RE: The usual dribs n drabs ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] Re: Feels Like 1990: Echo & the Bogusmen [Miles Goosens Subject: Re: The usual dribs n drabs At 04:29 PM 1/16/2003 +0000, Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome wrote: >>Ravi "I played Monterey AND the concert for Bangladesh, which is more than >>George Harrison did" Shankar. > >Really? Yup. >Are you joshing me? Nope, you weren't being joshed. >Ive been relistening to her stuff since I posted. One more thing I like >are her sparse lyrics. And its funny, she does jazz so well but its the >folky stuff that wins my heart... I haven't heard her album yet, but she does appear on Charlie Hunter's latest album. They do a terrific jazzed-out version of Roxy's "More Than This." (And another tune, but I can't remember which off-hand). - --Jason "Only the few know the sweetness of the twisted apples." - Sherwood Anderson ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:44:10 -0800 From: "Reynolds, Russ" Subject: RE: Nexdoorland in Amazon.com's Top Ten yeah, but right behind Robert Plant. What does that say? > -----Original Message----- > From: The Great Quail [mailto:quail@libyrinth.com] > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 3:59 PM > To: fegmaniax-announce@smoe.org > Subject: Nexdoorland in Amazon.com's Top Ten > > > I'm not sure if this has been posted yet: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/feature/-/398322/ref=m_best_3_42 > > --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:58:55 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: Nexdoorland in Amazon.com's Top Ten At 09:44 AM 1/16/2003 -0800, Reynolds, Russ wrote: >yeah, but right behind Robert Plant. What does that say? Well, I say the Robert Plant album is damn fine, with superb performances and arrangements. I'm delighted to se it finish so high. later, Miles, who also ranked DREAM in front of NEXTDOOR in the Battle of the Lands ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:59:26 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Playin' on the old ban-jo Stewart: >>Still, some of the original HSA tracks were bad. I mean, can you keep a straight >>face through the mutant Cajun version of "Home Sweet Home"? Given. But that's the nature of really raw, unadulterated stuff-- some of it is going to read as cheese. The real weakness of Vol. 4 is that it has some stuff on it you've actually heard of, and, in fact, actually heard. If you take the tracks at face value as HS's original selections, though, you have to account for the fact that there's no way he could have known that the Stones would resurrect Robert Johnson, or Johnny Cash would marry into the Carter Family, or that his collections would be hashed over in such forms as the '60's folk revival, O Brother Where Art Thou, that PBS Roots Music show, etc. etc. >>Always keen to be at the vanguard of unpopularity, >>I've taken up oldstyle banjo. It's a very pleasing >>instrument. Are there any other frailing fegs? Yep. Got a 5-string for Christmas from my wife several years ago. I know the chords (and made up a few) but my right hand technique still blows. I've recorded with it and I always just give up and flatpick it (although I'm careful to arpegiate it "correctly" instead of guitar style). I've played a few of these demos for people and I keep waiting for someone to say that the banjo sucks, but nobody has. Not even my dad who played in a band with a banjo player for decades-- I really though he'd bust me, but he thought it was fine. Best thing to come out of it is that it allows me to put jangly bits on my songs in E-minor without resorting to sounding exactly like Pete Buck as is my wont. _________ Drew: >>On the basis of hearing so much about The Spirit of Eden >>(most recently in that best of the 80s list from Pitchfork >>we talked so much about) I asked for it for Christmas. I >>was pretty impressed and have been picking up the other >>albums. I've been exposed to some of that stuff recently and have been surprised and impressed as well. Have finally overcome the cognitive dissonance between the Music Machine song Talk Talk and what the band Talk Talk sounds like... may now move forward. >> >>okayish but "off" records by some of the >> >>rest (Bossanova/Gold Afternoon Fix >>Two of my favorite records by the respective artists, of course. I almost added "doubtless beloved by Drew" to that list. I'd almost bet that if you and I ranked the albums by artist we both like, the list would come out as exact inversions of each other. Love it! I can see your reasons for liking the later Church records as much as you do, but honestly, how can you even make it through "Terra Nova Caine"? That song mars that record so severely that I'd choose my "Russian Autumn Heart" single over the album any day. Vis a vis the faux-Bunnymen record, much as I like it, I wouldn't recommend it for you... it taps into my '60's pop predilection that you don't share and has little of the new wave flavor you prefer. _________ Eb: np, on endless loop: All Clockwork and No Bodily Fluids Makes Hal A Dull Metal Humbert/In Heaven Every Elephant Baby Wants To Be So Full Of Sting/Paul Simon In The Park With Canticle/But You Can't Pick Your Friends/Vacuum/Genesis/DEFMACROS/HOWSOMETH/INGDOTIME/SALENGTHS/OMETHINGL/ETB FOLLOW/AAFTERNOO/NGETPRESE/NTMOMENTI/FTHINGSWO/NTALWAYSB/ETHISWAYT/BCACAUSEA /BWASTEAFT/ERNOONWHE/NEQBMERET/URNFROMSH/OWLITTLEG/REENPLACE/27 Heh! I hope you cut-and-pasted that from somewhere and didn't transcribe it yourself. That would be more trying than listening it, even for you! ____________ Kay: >>Rex, So, if we knock you down and start pulling your ears and pushing your >>nose, what sounds -do- you make? Erm, "Barrett-esque" sounds? Can I play the banjo while it's happening? - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:35:02 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Tonight (Thursday) on Jay Leno The Doors Perform "Light My Fire" -- featuring Ray Manzarek, Robby Krieger, Ian Astbury and Stewart Copeland. This should be interesting... - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 19:40:55 +0000 From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" Subject: Re: The usual dribs n drabs Me then Quail: >>If however, he really is an active perv -- then jail is >>just. Plus theres always chemical castration... Jeeeeeezus, Kay! I hope this was just off-the-cuff. No Quail, its not off the cuff. >First of all, your >statement implies that the British government has some sort of way of >determining both (a) whether or not Pete is a "pervert" and (b) his degree of pervert activity, essentially based on what Internet sites he has visited. If Townshend, or anyone, has repeatidly paid for images of child sexual molestation, they have contibuted money that has actively supported the sexual molestation of children. This is a criminal act. Whether they have wanked off to it is not of legal consequence. If Townshend can proove he did this -only- for reasons that could be considered contibuting to a greater good, then I think he should be let off with a fine and community service. If he, or any of the others detained in this matter, cannot prove they had some exceptional reason for viewing these sites, they must be stopped from giving child molesters money. Perhaps a huge fine for a first offense, prison for a second, and after that, some sort of control mechanism that will keep them from repeating their behavior: life in prison is a possibiblity, or as an alternative, perhaps voluntary chemical castration. For the people who actively put up these sites, produce this photos, or commit sexual acts with pre-pubescent minors -- manditory chemical castration and life in prison. Hell--I would also like to see these sorts of penelties for a) ISPs that support any such sites and b) credit card companies that funnel money to them. I think there should be similar, but less severe penelties for acts involving kids within the tricky area between puberty and coming of age. And I think even marketing porn as under-age porn, even if the willing participants are legally adults, should be criminal. See Quail, Ive thought this out. >And then, you recommend chemical castration? According to sources, the >guy >paid for one site, of which he previously notified the authorities. And if so he is innocent of wrongdoing then the truth, sooner or later, will out. As Ive said, I hope, I pray, I can't tell you how much I want this to be the case. >I mean, >castration for a serial rapist, ok; but I think you are being a bit >cavalier, if not draconian..... Quail, its you, and many others, Im afraid, who are being cavalier. Its obvious to me that you know very little about this is if you think there is a valid comparision between adult and child rape. The two don't begin to match up. I don't think you are aware of the damage that childhood molestation does to a child if you make that equation. It is more akin to murder, a sort of psychic murder, the effects of which last a lifetime. Frankly, thats why I think the central trauma in Tommy is symbolized, not by Uncle Ernie fiddling about, but by the murder that starts the work. The murder that is never quite clearly explained(I only have the 69 recording, I havent seen or heard any of the later versions where, I gather, more details are given.) The murder that Tommy did'nt see, didnt hear and cant say nothin about never in his life is the key moment that distorts the rest of his life. Children are fairly helpless beings. If we refuse to protect our own young, we can babble all we like about rights and laws and philosophies, we are beastlly than beasts and more barbaric than the false Molochs who demanded child sacrifice. Quail, I don't mean to be so harsh with you, but I do think you, like most of the population, dosn't understand what happens to children who are sexually abused. It messes them up sexually, it messes them up psychologically, its just a fuckin mess and that mess is then their lives. They have to live with the reprucussions till they die. They will never know who or what they might have been otherwise, they may not even ever know why they are the way they are and what that nameless panic is that has something to do with desire. All they probobly know is that they are wrong. Somehow inescapably eternelly wrong. It produces Hamlets for whom the line "a stranger to himself and others" is particularly apt. Educate yourself and you will see-- this is more like muder than rape. So sorry to trounce on you, but quite frankly, I think its an issue worth trouncing for. Kay N.P. "Dont Know Why" Norah Jones - ------------------- Rex: >Erm, "Barrett-esque" sounds? Can I play the banjo while it's happening? Sure:-) I actually have a weakness for a banjo. - ---------------- Kay _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:52:34 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: The usual dribs n drabs On Thu, 16 Jan 2003, Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome wrote: > If Townshend can proove he did this -only- for reasons that could be > considered contibuting to a greater good, then I think he should be let > off with a fine and community service. Good thing the Brits have that intention-reading helmet to use in cases like this. a ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:52:42 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: went to a party / didn't say a word > From: "Rex.Broome" > > Okay, the Hives I can see. But is it just me or are the Vines (A) way too > polished to fit into the "garage" mold, and (B) more or less shit? I downloaded a few Hives mp3s to see if I liked them and I thought they were pretty mediocre. I'd been hoping the Vines were better, but your implication here is disappointing. > Man, Nextdoorland is landing on a *lot* of these lists. Must have been a > very word-of-mouth, viral-type thing... people discussing their potential > top tens and having NDL recommended as something worth considering. This is kinda what I hate about top ten lists -- this year as every year they always look disappointingly similar, as if everyone has pretty much been listening to and/or deciding to laud the same records. If someone has to say to you, "hey, maybe you should put such and such on your top ten list" it's meaningless to me. > From: "Stewart C. Russell" > > Always keen to be at the vanguard of unpopularity, > I've taken up oldstyle banjo. It's a very pleasing > instrument. Are there any other frailing fegs? Not me, but a girl I used to work with was big into oldtime banjo. She wasn't bad, either (at the banjo). Having come from Alabama, I've avoided the banjo as much as possible, so picking hers up was how I first learned that it's tuned (or can be tuned?) to a major chord. It seemed like a brilliant and obvious idea. > From: Tom Clark > > on 1/15/03 1:12 PM, drew at drew@stormgreen.com wrote: > [Norah Jones] > She's hot? She's not ugly, but I would hardly classify her as hot. I saw > her on SNL recently and I was impressed with her performance. Wow, I never expected there to be debate on this matter. I'll grant you she's not as airbrushed as your Britneys or your Avrils, but when I saw her on SNL (or perhaps some late-night talk show thing) I watched the whole thing solely because I thought she was so attractive. It certainly wasn't because of the music; I guess her voice was okay but the song and the performance were totally bland and unmemorable. So I naturally assumed that she's another of these very minor talents attached to a pretty face. Maybe it's just that I prefer brunettes, or maybe I'm just out of step with the fegs again. > She seems very sincere about her music. Of course she does. Jewel seems very sincere about her "poetry," too. > From: Eb > > I always tape/watch SNL, but feel pretty sheepish about it. In truth, > I think the show pretty much died for good when Phil Hartman left. Or > maybe the crucial jump-the-shark moment was the success of the > "Wayne's World" films, which forever changed the show into a testing > ground for godawful "skit films." Enjoy your points, Lorne.... I agree with everything except that I never tape/watch SNL. Sometimes if it's on and I flip past it I'll watch a skit or two just to confirm that they still don't know funny from a hole in the ground. It amazes me that I see better sketch structures in our improv performances than those idiots can *script*. > From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" > > Why grab for the lowest possible motive at this point where we're > still mostly just speculating? Unless you know something I don't. I had a reply to some of the counterarguments Michael raised but I deleted it...I was serious this time when I said I didn't want to get into it. All I can say is that I'm verbalizing my gut feelings on the matter; of course I have next to no evidence, but since my opinion makes no difference to Townshend or anyone else I'm entitled to it. I don't find any of the other "possible motives" remotely plausible, but that's just me. I also am not particularly disposed one way or the other to care, since I don't like the Who and have no real interest in Townshend as an artist. I would be happy to be wrong about this and not especially thrilled to be right. I do find the general tone of "Pete is such a wonderful man and I can't believe he would really be aroused by kiddie porn, but if he is FRY THE FUCKING BASTARD!!!" incredibly disturbing and much more off-putting than my own take on the matter. Here again I guess I'm out of step with the rest of the feg community. > "Rainland" sounds unremittingly depressing to me Well, I'm only happy when it rains. Drew - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:59:17 -0500 From: Alfred Masciocchi Subject: Re: Tonight (Thursday) on Jay Leno And then, I've heard, on Conan O'Brien are The Jimi Hendrix Experience with Noel Redding, Mitch Mitchell, & Danny Bonaduce. Tom Clark wrote: >The Doors >Perform "Light My Fire" -- featuring Ray Manzarek, Robby Krieger, Ian >Astbury and Stewart Copeland. > >This should be interesting... > >-tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 11:58:19 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: went to a party / didn't say a word on 1/16/03 11:52 AM, drew at drew@stormgreen.com wrote: >> She seems very sincere about her music. > > Of course she does. Jewel seems very sincere about her > "poetry," too. Touche. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:02:33 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: The usual dribs n drabs > Quail, its you, and many others, Im afraid, who are being cavalier. Well, once you elaborated on your ideas, it cleared things up. But in your original post, there wasn't a whole lot of distance between Pete and castration! Anyway, I don't think I deserved your trouncing, and I am afraid you made quite a lot of hay out of my single straw. You read a whole lot into my lone statement that I think castration is appropriate for serial rape, but not for a single instance of viewing child porn! - --Q ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 14:18:46 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: non-ugly Norah At 11:52 AM 1/16/2003 -0800, drew wrote: >> From: Tom Clark >> >> on 1/15/03 1:12 PM, drew at drew@stormgreen.com wrote: >> >[Norah Jones] >> She's hot? She's not ugly, but I would hardly classify her as hot. I saw >> her on SNL recently and I was impressed with her performance. > >Wow, I never expected there to be debate on this matter. >I'll grant you she's not as airbrushed as your Britneys >or your Avrils, but when I saw her on SNL (or perhaps some >late-night talk show thing) I watched the whole thing >solely because I thought she was so attractive. It certainly >wasn't because of the music; I guess her voice was okay but >the song and the performance were totally bland and unmemorable. >So I naturally assumed that she's another of these very >minor talents attached to a pretty face. Maybe it's just >that I prefer brunettes, or maybe I'm just out of step >with the fegs again. Not out of step with this Feg -- the first time I saw Norah Jones, long before I knew anything about her lineage (I didn't hear about the Shankar connection until, um, probably July of last year) or her music ("bland" and "unmemorable" come to mind for me too, though she works in a milieu for which I don't particularly care, so I'm probably not the best judge), I thought "YOWZA! That's a seriously hot woman." But that's OK, Drew -- it just means there's more Norah for us. With Tom's suave, irresistible "let's go back to my place and I'll show you my iPod" come-on out of the competition, we're locks to hook up with her! later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:18:25 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: The usual dribs n drabs >>Kay, gittin' her moral dander up: > >Its obvious to me that you know very little about this is if you >think there is a valid comparision between adult and child rape. The >two don't begin to match up. Mmm...everything you write below, you could also say about "adult rape." >I don't think you are aware of the damage that childhood molestation >does to a child if you make that equation. It is more akin to murder, >a sort of psychic murder, the effects of which last a lifetime. >Quail, I don't mean to be so harsh with you, but I do think you, like >most of the population, dosn't understand what happens to children >who are sexually abused. It messes them up sexually, it messes >them up psychologically, its just a fuckin mess and that mess is > >then their lives. They have to live with the reprucussions till they die. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:17:27 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: The usual dribs n drabs The Great Quail wrote: > And then, you recommend chemical castration? According to sources, > the guy paid for one site, of which he previously notified the > authorities. I mean, castration for a serial rapist, ok; but I think > you are being a bit cavalier, if not draconian..... Given that castration doesn't even really work -- it just forces the rapist to move on to less attatched tools of the trade -- knives, bottles, etc -- why not (and I know this is a radical idea) NOT LET RAPISTS OUT OF JAIL! You know, actually give sexual predators harsh prison sentences. I know it means that we might have to let out a few guys who were trying to buy acid at a Grateful Dead show or other such people bizarrely considered dangerous by our societies. If we'd actually take rape -- whether of adults or childen (statutory rape is another kettle of fish) -- seriously as a crime, we wouldn't need bullshit like Megan's Law because the rapists would still be in prison. Jesus, it feels weird being on the Law and Order side of something. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:21:11 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: The usual dribs n drabs "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" wrote: [re: Norah Jones being RAvi Shankar's daughter] > Hmmm--and now I realize there is a faintly Indian drum thing going on > in the background of "Something is Calling You." > > What an unusual medley of influences she must have grown up with. Well, Ravi wasn't a terribly involved father in Norah's case apparently. "Sperm donor" may be a more appropriate term in this case, actually. John Lennon spent more time with Julian. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:27:34 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Or maybe Jeff Lynne just ripped him off... Just recalled, and confirmed, yet another form of "Light Orchestra"... this one, the "other" ELO: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll In this case, an orchestra (kind of) led by a guy whose last name happens to be "Light". - -Rex, now considering "Broome Light Orchestra (BLO)" as a band name PS not really. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:26:08 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: Tonight (Thursday) on Jay Leno Tom Clark wrote: > The Doors > Perform "Light My Fire" -- featuring Ray Manzarek, Robby Krieger, Ian > Astbury and Stewart Copeland. > > This should be interesting... Oh, please dear BillHicks in the sky, let Joey Lawrence and Patrick Duffy be the other guests.... ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:29:24 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: The usual dribs n drabs Jeff Dwarf wrote: > "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" wrote: > [re: Norah Jones being RAvi Shankar's daughter] > > Hmmm--and now I realize there is a faintly Indian drum thing going on > > in the background of "Something is Calling You." > > > > What an unusual medley of influences she must have grown up with. > > Well, Ravi wasn't a terribly involved father in Norah's case > apparently. "Sperm donor" may be a more appropriate term in this case, > actually. John Lennon spent more time with Julian. You can hear far more of his influence in the music of his "legitmate" daughter, Anoushka. We had a long running office argument here this summer over who was hotter Nora or Anoushka as well as whose music was better. The general consensus was that Nora was hotter but Anoushka's music was better. I preferred Anouska on both accounts Decide for yourself: http://www.anoushkashankar.com/ http://www.norajones.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 12:38:26 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: The usual dribs n drabs Eb wrote: > >>Kay, gittin' her moral dander up: > > > >Its obvious to me that you know very little about this is if you > >think there is a valid comparision between adult and child rape. The > > >two don't begin to match up. > > Mmm...everything you write below, you could also say about "adult > rape." Though adults are more apt to be emotional able to deal with what happened to them. Ultimately, the biggest difference I suspect between getting on (as opposed to "over") it and being hung up on it is how everyone around the victim reacts. If you are surrounded by people who are supportive and make sure that you aren't blaming yourself, etc. it's far easier to not become a victim, but rather to have "just" been victimized on a particular occasion. And that support -- and, in some ways, a sort of openness about it -- is especially necessary for children. While I don't think that rape victims names should necessarily be included in news accounts, I do wonder if the ways we treat rape differently that other crimes somehow unintentionally fuels the idea that the victim has something to be ashamed of (though personally, I think it's better to err on the side of making all crime victims John/Jane Doe unless they say otherwise if the better "solution"). > >I don't think you are aware of the damage that childhood molestation > >does to a child if you make that equation. It is more akin to > murder, > >a sort of psychic murder, the effects of which last a lifetime. > > >Quail, I don't mean to be so harsh with you, but I do think you, > like > >most of the population, dosn't understand what happens to children > >who are sexually abused. It messes them up sexually, it messes > >them up psychologically, its just a fuckin mess and that mess is > > >then their lives. They have to live with the reprucussions till > they die. > > Eb ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 15:01:45 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Feels Like 1990: Echo & the Bogusmen At 04:48 PM 1/14/2003 -0800, Rex.Broome wrote: >The singer sounds maybe halfway between Eno and Weller, and writes quite >good melodies. Otherwise you've got a great psych-pop guitar record hat >happens to benefit from having Will Sergeant (fusing McGuinn and Verlaine as >ever) and Les Pattison all over it, sounding pretty terrific. And hearing >"real" harmonies over Will's guitar is a nice treat and a good fit. Anyway, >it kicks the ass out of Bunnymen's 5th record and Electafixion, a pair of >fashion-victim records nonpareil. I've never bought the Ian-less Bunnymen album, but now I might pick it up next time I see it in a $2-4 bin. I do think you're being far too harsh on ECHO & THE BUNNYMEN -- which, of course, puts you in the company of most of their fans and the Bunnymen themselves. I'm not saying it's as good as the first four, but if those four records didn't exist, I'd think it was brilliant. "Lips Like Sugar" is a splendid single, "New Direction" is on my short list of great Bunnymen songs, and the rest seems decadent and grand. Electrafixion, though -- hoo boy. I was really primed for 'em, since the "Zephyr" CD-5 sounded gloriously noisy and propulsive, and the idea of a louder, harder Bunnymen was an intriguing one. But the problem with BURNED, even more evident when I saw Electrafixion live, was that they forgot to write any *songs.* Will just gets better and better as a guitarist, and he was executing all kinds of spectacular sounds at the live show, but it was boring as hell otherwise, because the songs were just so tuneless and forgettable. They did play a 20-minute "Do It Clean" as an encore (only Bunnymen song of the night), which only served to demonstrate how awful the new stuff was (and "Do It Clean" isn't even my 17th-favorite Bunnymen song). They must have concurred, since they brought Les back in and started being Bunnymen again shortly thereafter. >Fact is, as I browse my collection, 1990 was a pretty subpar year for guitar >pop, with half the crowd attempting to "modernize" their sounds to keep up >with the Stone Roses (Extricate), ???? Don't see this one. >okayish but "off" records by some of the >rest (Bossanova/Gold Afternoon Fix/Black Sheets of Rain/Goo/All Shook >Down/Manscape) BLACK SHEETS OF RAIN is one of my favorite Mould products, but otherwise, I'm with you. >and lots of other artists kind of MIA (Robyn off doing Eye, >which is great but not guitar-pop). You had Galaxie 500's last, more or less >posthumous release, a good Chills record, the classic (to me anyway) debut >by Ride, and, hey, Ragged Glory, which I recall thinking was pretty much >"the last rock and roll record ever". But the fake Bunnymen record sounds a >lot better 13 years later than any number of Inspiral Carpets albums... Heh. I won't get into definitions -- "guitar-pop" seems way too ambiguous for me to start looking at my collection to figure out what does and doesn't fit -- but fwiw, here's my top 1990 list: 1) Lloyd Cole, Lloyd Cole 2) Eno/Cale, Wrong Way Up 3) They Might Be Giants, Flood 4) Digital Underground, Sex Packets 5) Kitchens of Distinction, Strange Free World 6) Robyn Hitchcock, Eye 7) The Jazz Butcher, Cult of the Basement 8) Morrissey, Bona Drag 9) Bob Mould, Black Sheets of Rain 10) World Party, Goodbye Jumbo 11) Robert Plant, Manic Nirvana 12) Masters of Reality, Masters of Reality 13) Sonic Youth, Goo 14) The Fall, Extricate 15) Social Distortion, Social Distortion 16) The Pogues, Hell's Ditch 17) Wendy and Lisa, Eroica 18) The Pixies, Bossanova 19) Wire, Manscape 20) Killing Joke, Extremities, Dirt, and Various Repressed Emotions #1-5 are solid classics for me, all of which have held up extremely well. Sorry, Robyn fans, I love EYE quite a bit, but there are also about four or five songs on it that I could do without quite easily, so it gets four stars instead of five. :-) If you like guitar in your pop, the Lloyd Cole album has killer melodies with a killer band (Quine, Maher, Sweet) playing like hell or playing with gorgeous touch, whichever's most appropriate. I'm not sure if I'd generalize about 1990 being an up or down year in music. On the whole, I didn't enjoy the music of 1989-1993 as much as the music of the years just before or after it, but I didn't enjoy those years in general. Grad school, early marriage, not as much money to spend on music -- when I look at my lists, I have around 20 albums for most of those years, and typically I have 40-60 titles on my complete yearly rankings. So I'll note my personal context and give those years the benefit of the doubt. >I am THIS CLOSE to finally naming my latest musical project/band-like thing. >Please select from the following: > >( ) Rainland >( ) Challenging Stage >( ) They both blow >( ) The music will probably blow, too, so it doesn't matter > >We sound exactly like you'd expect my band to sound, if that helps. Please God, not #2. I get the pun, but I'd expect you to be Jupiter Coyote, and we really don't want that, do we? I'm not sure if I like #1 that much better, but it's another lesser of evils choice (sigh). Ralph and the Naders it is! later, Miles ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #14 *******************************