From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #11 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, January 14 2003 Volume 12 : Number 011 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: recommendations [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: That Lord of the Rings movie ["matt sewell" ] Re: un hotel de glace ["Brian Hoare" ] "you didn't hear it, you didn't see it, you won't say nothing to no one" ["ross taylor" ] Nexdoorland in Amazon.com's Top Ten [The Great Quail ] frequent top ten typo, plus top twenty [Miles Goosens ] Re: Three replies on the porn issue [Marcy Tanter ] Re: "you didn't hear it, you didn't see it, you won't say nothing to no one" ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" ] Re: Nexdoorland in Amazon.com's Top Ten [Eb ] [none] [gSs ] S&V Top Ten [Tom Clark ] slutz are we [gSs ] Re: S&V Top Ten [John Barrington Jones ] Re: S&V Top Ten [Eb ] Gibbs Talking to Hospital ["FS Thomas" ] What? [brian@lazerlove5.com] Re: What? [Perry Amberson ] re: the porny issue [Ken Ostrander ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 20:18:34 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: recommendations >James: > >>Here I am long-term Feg and I must admit -- did not know about two of the >>people you recced to Rich,-- Ed Kuepper and David Kilgour. > >Whats their stuff like? hm... how can I describe them? Ed Kuepper was a driving force behind Australia's post-punk band the Saints. In much the same way that the two leading Huskers both got quieter and folkier solo, so did Kuepper and fellow Saint Chris Bailey. Ed's music sounds like a thrashy, bitter folky, sort of half way between early Billy Bragg and Richard Thompson, but somehow smoother than either. I'd recommend hunting down either "Serene Machine" or "Character Assassination", or the best-of, "The Butterfly Net". As for David Kilgour, he's one of the two leading lights of the Clean. I'm too close to his sound to describe it very well, probably, but he's within the infamous "Dunedin sound" ethos of people like the Chills. Solo, and with his occasional backing band the Heavy Eights, he is smoother in sound than the Clean, and produces glorious hook-laden indiepop. I'd try either the "Sugar Mouth" or "David Kilgour and the Heavy Eights" albums. no freudian slips this time, I hope... James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:52:31 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: That Lord of the Rings movie "it's [The Two Towers] as least as good as the book". You do realise that to yer diehard Tolkien fan, that's fighting talk?! I do agree, though, it is a fantastic movie. Aaragorn's rebirth, Frodo and Sam's unscheduled visit to Osgiliath and the Ents' slight hastiness was a little annoying, admittedly, but I soon forgave any of these. My biggest complaint is that we have to wait a whole year for The RotK! Cheers Matt >From: barbara soutar >Yesterday I finally saw The Two Towers, and must add my voice to the >group that say it's at least as good as the book. >Victoria, B.C. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ The new MSN 8 is here: Try it free* for 2 months ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:39:24 +0000 From: "Brian Hoare" Subject: Re: un hotel de glace >From: bayard >Subject: un hotel de glace > >i was flipping channels and a travel show mentioned what sounded to me >like "a hotel de glass" - it's actually a hotel of glace (ice), but still >looks pretty cool (no pun intended.) > >http://www.icehotel-canada.com/en/hotel.htm I've been wanting to go to the one in Sweden for the past few years. Unfortunately Sarah suffers from Reynaud's disease so it may not be a pleasant stay. Beautiful though. Brian _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:20:07 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: "you didn't hear it, you didn't see it, you won't say nothing to no one" I pretty much believe Pete Townsend, but it was still pretty damn stupid. After all, there is the phenomenon of people who were abused turning into abusers. Still, I think in the West it's historically amazing for there to be this degree of taboo about a kind of *image.* We are, after all, allowed to see pictures of the Holocaust. There are lots of other things people do that kill and hurt kids. Sometimes I think an image of kiddie porn should go into a time capsule somewhere to show another part of what we are. Along with the napalmed kid from Vietnam. I mean there's a level of hysteria about kiddie porn that at least ought to be extended to other things as well. Kay, I know what you mean about being able to related to the kind of dumb kid who comes forward & confesses & expects the teacher to treat him differently because of honesty. "I missed you and I must admit I kissed a few and once did sit on Ivar Engine Drivers lap and later with him had a nap" "You are forgiven" I think he will go to prison, because anything else would leave a gaping hole in kinds of laws & enforcement practices they are still trying to get firmly in place. Here's a link to a statement Pete Townsend made on his website a year ago, worth reading: http://www.petetownshend.co.uk/media/020116adifferentbomb.pdf And here's a link to a lively thread on this which treats both sides & is by people not too different from those here: http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?s=c6800cae0e5b4a91e78f73dac259fe12&threadid=10105 Ross Taylor Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:48:13 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: "you didn't hear it, you didn't see it, you won't say nothing to no one" Quoting ross taylor : > I pretty much believe Pete Townsend, but it was still pretty damn > stupid. After all, there is the > phenomenon of people who were abused turning into abusers. Still, I > think in the West it's > historically amazing for there to be this degree of taboo about a kind > of *image.* We are, > after all, allowed to see pictures of the Holocaust. There are lots of > other things people do that > kill and hurt kids. Sometimes I think an image of kiddie porn should go > into a time capsule > somewhere to show another part of what we are. Along with the napalmed > kid from Vietnam. I > mean there's a level of hysteria about kiddie porn that at least ought > to be extended to other > things as well. For instance, there was recently a ruling that made illegal the possession of digital *imitations* of child porn. I cannot think of anything horrible enough to have happen to the people who abuse and photograph children (and I mean children: not adolescents) - at the same time, I think the hysteria whereby even looking at an image of child porn that isn't even real can send someone to jail is a bit much. Reminds me of the absurd mania over "ritual Satanic child abuse" a decade or so back - many of whose cases would be funny if they didn't ruin people's lives. (NB: not one case of RSCA ever stood up upon examination. More generally, patently absurd statements, clearly led on to by investigators, were taken at face value.) And as far as hysteria over other things: let's start with the producers of child porn under another name, those who run "beauty pageants" for children wherein the kids are tarted up like Christina Aguilera - the murdered Jon-Benet Ramsay is the posterchild for this sort of thing. What kind of mind makes a six-year-old girl look like a twenty-year-old slut? ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:57:35 -0600 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: Re: "you didn't hear it, you didn't see it, you won't say nothing to no one" Not only that, but I keep getting emails sent to my hotmail account where the subject line reads, "hot teens and farm animals" and the like--I haven't looked at them so I don't know if it sends you to a link or if there are actual pictures in the email, but how can that stuff get sent out and not be caught by the FBI? Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:20:14 -0500 (EST) From: "Jonathan Fetter" Subject: Re: That Lord of the Rings movie Frodo > and Sam's unscheduled visit to Osgiliath... Which side of the river were they on? It looked to me like they were on the western side (since one side was occupied by the Black Berets), which means that they had to cross the river to get to western Os, and then cross back again to go towards Minas Morgul. And for a "great river," I didn't think the Anduin was wide enough at Osgiliath. I've always imagined the river to be about as wide as some of the big rivers in my own experience, mostly the Susquehanna, Delaware, Hudson... Sniff, Jon ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:24:40 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Nexdoorland in Amazon.com's Top Ten I'm not sure if this has been posted yet: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/feature/-/398322/ref=m_best_3_42 - --Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:29:24 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Top Ten List, short version Although I am working on the dread, longer, annotated version for my homepage, here's my top ten favorites so far (subject to change): Rock & Pop: 1. "Alice/Blood Money" -- Tom Waits 2. "Nextdoorland" -- The Soft Boys 3. "When I Was Cruel" -- Elvis Costello 4. "Heathen" -- David Bowie 5. "Vapor Trails" -- Rush 6. "Sea Change" -- Beck 7. "Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robot Quails" -- The Flaming Lips 8. "( )" -- Sigur Ros 9. "Scarlet's Walk" -- Tori Amos 10. "Yankee Foxtrot Hotel" -- Wilco HM: Neil Young, Peter Gabriel, Bruce Springsteen Classical: 1. "Rzewski plays Rzewski," Rzewski box set of piano works 2. "Pli Selon Pli," Pierre Boulez 3. "Ligeti vol. II," Gyorgi Ligeti 4. "String Quartet No. 2," Morton Feldman/Flux Quartet 5. "Metamorphosis," Joan Jeanrenaud, cello pieces 6. "Naove and Sentimental Music," John Adams 7. "Johannes-Passion," Sofia Gubaidulina 8. "Music for Voices," Philip Glass 9. "Coro," Luciano Berio 10. "Facing Goya," Michael Nyman HM: "Water Passion," Tan Dun; "Yiddishbuk," Osvaldo Golijov; "Tannhauser," Wagner/Barenboim; "Naqoyqatsi," Philip Glass. Movies (Top Five; I have yet to see several promising films!) 1. Gangs of New York 2. Spirited Away 3. Minority Report 4. The Two Towers 5. Insomnia ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:00:31 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: frequent top ten typo, plus top twenty At 11:29 AM 1/14/2003 -0500, The Great Quail wrote: >10. "Yankee Foxtrot Hotel" -- Wilco This has to be the most frequently twisted-out-of-order title since I stood in line at the Lion's Head Cinemas in Belle Meade one afternoon in 1991 and heard one blue-haired lady after another ask for tickets to "That Green Fried Tomatoes... Green Tomatoes Fried..." And that title even had the advantage of being a genuine southern dish instead of a sequence of three arbitrary codewords from a numbers station broadcast. "Hotel" must have the most compelling case of those three words for being a noun instead of an adjective -- it always ends up last in the series when people flip the words around, as though the title refers to a swank New England inn featuring dancing. I expect to see the saucy, sexy, not-yet-irritating Katherine Hepburn of the '30s starring in the movie version. :-) Glad to see Wilco on Quail's list, though. My 2002 top 20 albums as of right now: t1) Wilco, YANKEE HOTEL FOXTROT Wire, READ AND BURN 01 EP Wire, READ AND BURN 02 EP 4) eels, SOULJACKER 5) Interpol, TURN ON THE BRIGHT LIGHTS 6) The Streets, ORIGINAL PIRATE MATERIAL 7) Robert Plant, DREAMLAND 8) The Mountain Goats, ALL HAIL WEST TEXAS 9) The Soft Boys, NEXTDOORLAND 10) Jason Ringenberg, ALL OVER CREATION 11) Shellydevoto, BUZZKUNST 12) Frank Black & the Catholics, BLACK LETTER DAYS 13) Pere Ubu, ST. ARKANSAS 14) Superdrag, LAST CALL FOR VITRIOL 15) Missy Elliot, UNDER CONSTRUCTION 16) Luna, ROMANTICA 17) Bryan Ferry, FRANTIC 18) Kylie Minogue, FEVER 19) Sigur Ros, ( ) 20) Neil Finn, ONE ALL later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:18:54 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Three replies on the porn issue Ross writes, > Still, I think in > the West it's > historically amazing for there to be this degree of taboo about a kind of > *image.* We are, > after all, allowed to see pictures of the Holocaust. There are lots of other > things people do that > kill and hurt kids. Sometimes I think an image of kiddie porn should go into > a time capsule Not the best analogies. The problem here is that the image itself is not a neutral object, nor is it an objective record. It is a deliberate end product of a process that is illegal and harmful. To willingly purchase this image-product for pornographic reasons is to support the process by which it is made. Jeff writes, > And as far as hysteria over other things: let's start with the producers of > child porn under another name, those who run "beauty pageants" for children > wherein the kids are tarted up like Christina Aguilera Well, I agree that it is quite distasteful and even puzzling, but to label it as "child porn" is to detract from a much stronger issue, which is, well, true child pornography. There's a substantive difference between putting a six year old girl in make-up and having her compete with other like girls in public, and taking photographs of same girl engaged in acts of sex, or even naked and placed in provocative positions. Even if you contend that one may eventually lead to another, the law must nevertheless draw distinctions! Marcy, > Not only that, but I keep getting emails sent to my hotmail account where > the subject line reads, "hot teens and farm animals" and the like--I > haven't looked at them so I don't know if it sends you to a link or if > there are actual pictures in the email, but how can that stuff get sent out > and not be caught by the FBI? I am not sure about this, but providing said "teen" is 18 or 19, it's not illegal, is it? And even if it is, I'd hardly group it in the same category as child porn. Though I doubt the animals are exactly "consenting," it's still on a different moral plane altogether. - --Quail PS: I believe Pete, and I hate to see him so crucified. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:25:49 -0600 From: Marcy Tanter Subject: Re: Three replies on the porn issue At 12:18 PM 1/14/2003 -0500, The Great Quail wrote: >Marcy, > > > Not only that, but I keep getting emails sent to my hotmail account where > > the subject line reads, "hot teens and farm animals" and the like--I > > haven't looked at them so I don't know if it sends you to a link or if > > there are actual pictures in the email, but how can that stuff get sent out > > and not be caught by the FBI? > >I am not sure about this, but providing said "teen" is 18 or 19, it's not >illegal, is it? And even if it is, I'd hardly group it in the same category >as child porn. Though I doubt the animals are exactly "consenting," it's >still on a different moral plane altogether. I don't know how old they are since I haven't looked, but I hadn't thought about that. I guess they could be older. I just assumed they were younger, but maybe they are 18, which still makes them teens. If they are younger, then it is child porn if they are indeed engaging in sexual acts, animals or not. Marcy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 09:37:13 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: "you didn't hear it, you didn't see it, you won't say nothing to no one" "The Kids Are Alright". It's a Legal Matter now. At 10:20 AM -0500 1/14/03, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "ross taylor" and whispered: >"I missed you and I must admit >I kissed a few and once did sit >on Ivar Engine Drivers lap >and later with him had a nap" > >"You are forgiven" > - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:36:42 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Re: Three replies on the porn issue Marcy writes, > I don't know how old they are since I haven't looked, but I hadn't thought > about that. I guess they could be older. I just assumed they were younger, > but maybe they are 18, which still makes them teens. Marcy, generally speaking, in the legal porn world -- most of it -- "teens" means 18 and 19. It's well understood that under this age, the porn would be illegal. So when you see sites advertising "teens," yes, they mean late teens. - --The Great "Porn-R-Us" Quail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:02:55 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Hero takes a fall (maybe) Kay on Townshend: >>And thats perhaps why I got so upset. Whether we should or not we do, either >>consiously or unconsiously, identify with media figures who we know more >>about than our own 4th-cousins. Yeah, odd thing about the nature of fandom, eh? I can't fathom how upset and dejected so many folks get when their sports teams lose, or how personally some people take insults to, say, even their favorite bands. But revelations like this are really hard to take, eh? Townshend is an interesting figure in that his songs and his band are massively popular, but he's still somewhat of a cult figure for those (like a lot of Fegs, for sure) who have paid closer attention to his work than just rocking out whenever "Won't Get Fooled Again" comes on classic rock radio. And now some of those complexities and contradictions we've treasured in his songs are wrapped up in the nature of these allegations. My brother's an even bigger Who-fan than me and I remember him being kind of upset over the "gay revelations" about Townshend in the '80's. (Please note that's not to say my brother was or is homophobic-- he was also, like, 13 and living in a small town where we pretty much knew nothing of homosexuality except that your classmates would bust your chops mightily if your musical idol was a fruit or something.) But it's interesting how, for heartlandy, average joe Who fans, having gone through that-- and possibly having learned a little tolerance from it-- they're now faced with some really horrendous possibilities. (Sort of like Pee Wee Herman's arrest for completely normal behavior in an adult movie theatre, which was totally witch-hunty, only now to be followed up by kiddie porn allegations; starts to make it seem like everyone's worst suspicions about celebrity pecadillos inevitably pan out.) How much worse is this kind of thing than the dawning understanding that many of our most admired artists, musicians, or writers are just plain assholes? Because a lot of them are. I'm still working on that one in the cases of several of my personal "idols". Anyway, I also find it totally plausible that he's innocent, which will make it that much worse that he'll have to live with this stigma for the rest of his life. - -Rex ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 10:21:32 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Nexdoorland in Amazon.com's Top Ten >I'm not sure if this has been posted yet: > >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/feature/-/398322/ref=m_best_3_42 > >--Quail Who the hell is Jim Roll? What the hell is Telegraph Media? Finally saw "The Royal Tenenbaums" the other night and really enjoyed it a lot, minus some strained striving for "closure" at the end. Eb, cringing at the prospect of Jay Lamo linking Townshend's name with Michael Jackson in various cheap monologue jokes ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:25:11 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: [none] On Tue, 31 Dec 2002, James Dignan wrote: > on the internet, anyone could be anyone. Greta's as likely to be kosher as > anyone here. mmmmm, no lip gloss and a sharp smell. i fell in love twice in europe and the last one will probably never know. they seem a bit keaner than here but i'll get to the grocery store this afternoon and maybe i'll start cheering for our girls again, i just got home last night. i guess i understand how an american woman can so easily fall in love with a european man. it's like eating beans and eggs for breakfast everyday and then one morning waking to a light raspberry crepe. europe is grand. from holland to hungary the people are gracious and excepting, just don't mess with the ukrainian boys in budapest. it's still rough over there and the stories i heard from natives about romania, belarus, bulgaria and yonder convinced me the eu's delay is justified. when in amsterdam visit 'the jolly joker' in nieuwmarkt square. that was as far as I went into seedy back streets. the joker is full of friendly locals. i also met a fine chap from essex named james who runs the cafe "Barnie's", which i learned later actually won the cup this year. interesting acquaintance, even in Amsterdam. the crack use on the street in a limited area is almost vulgar. the users are mostly what appears to be the wandering victims of dutch and english indentured servitude, mostly black or 'bush creole' folks from south america. it was a shame to still see the gap between lite and dark remaining so prevalent in such a liberal society. the prostitution is a bit lawd but i guess the shoppers of such appreciate that. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:10:43 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: S&V Top Ten The new issue of Sound & Vision (formerly Stereo Review) arrived recently and they posted their top ten CDs & DVDs. I've been meaning to post both entire lists, but I forgot to bring the issue with me today. From what I can remember, Sleater-Kinney was #1, Bryan Ferry #3, and The Soft Boys #4. I'll try to get the whole thing transcribed tonight. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:21:39 -0500 (CDT) From: gSs Subject: slutz are we On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey wrote: > And as far as hysteria over other things: let's start with the producers of > child porn under another name, those who run "beauty pageants" for children > wherein the kids are tarted up like Christina Aguilera - the murdered > Jon-Benet Ramsay is the posterchild for this sort of thing. that could be the best example of pass the responsibility i've ever seen. do those pictures of jon-benet arouse you in the same way as pictures of aguilera? and was that the intention of both photographers? > What kind of mind makes a six-year-old girl look like a twenty-year-old > slut? that is just fucking weird. i've never seen a six-year-old girl who looked even near twenty. anyway, what's the matter with a slut? i want to be a slut. or at least i would if i was female. you need a head full of european women. talk about looking like twenty-year-old sluts and some of them are forty. i hate the word slut except when used to describe a wafting female dog. even then we say it in a good way. gSs ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:26:36 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: S&V Top Ten I would love to see that, Tom - Thanks in advance for posting it. Has Christgau's annual Pazz & Jop thing come out in Village voice already? I googled it but it didn't return anything useful. =jbj= On Tue, 14 Jan 2003, Tom Clark wrote: > The new issue of Sound & Vision (formerly Stereo Review) arrived recently > and they posted their top ten CDs & DVDs. I've been meaning to post both > entire lists, but I forgot to bring the issue with me today. From what I > can remember, Sleater-Kinney was #1, Bryan Ferry #3, and The Soft Boys #4. > > I'll try to get the whole thing transcribed tonight. > > -tc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:52:43 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: S&V Top Ten >Has Christgau's annual Pazz & Jop thing come out in Village voice already? Not until early February. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 14:56:47 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: Gibbs Talking to Hospital I read this one on the BBC news site. See the snippet about the treatment he under-went. Gibb Family in Talks with Hospital: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2656123.stm Speaking exclusively to the BBC, Barry and Robin Gibb said they were perplexed as to how their brother had been admitted with a stomach blockage - and then apparently died from another illness. In an emotional state soon after Maurice's death, the brothers said they were "devastated" and "completely pole-axed" by their loss and paid tribute to the "most sweetest, generous" man. Barry Gibb confirmed he had not been present at the Mount Sinai Medical Centre for many of the key moments of his brother's treatment and said he had been told much of what he knew second-hand. But he said: "We will pursue every factor, every element, every second of the timeline, of the final hours of Maurice's life. "We will pursue that relentlessly. That will be our quest from now on." Robin Gibb said he had been told the doctors had decided to take rapid action after the heart attack and had found the ill star was suffering from a "twisted intestine" which could have been a "birth defect". He said 80% of his brother's intestines had then been removed. F S Thomas ferris@ochremedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 16:44:08 +0000 (GMT) From: brian@lazerlove5.com Subject: What? Happy New Year Fegs! Welcome newbie fegs. A lot been up with me. There have been some changes. Some good. Some bad. And That's another story anyway. So I was checking out ebay and came across a couple of things. Never knew this existed: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2262&item=2500748948 So, I guess this was the 1st time "Rock and Roll Toilet" and "Have A Heart, Betty" saw the light of day. And what the hell is this? Who's that in the photo?: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1421&item=2501015214 Confused. Here's a thrown together top 2002 album list: 1. Soft Boys "Side Three" 2. Nextdoorland 3. Would Be Goods "Brief Lives" 4. Scarlet's Well "Alice In The Underworld" 5. David Bowie "Heathen" 6. Kimberly Rew "Grand Central Revisted" I'm sure there are more, but thinking requires too much of an effort on my part right now. Plus most of the albums I bought last year were from the years 1977 to 1981. I'm curious to hear reviews/setlists from the upcoming Soft Boys shows. Even more exciting is Robyn's 50th B-day and new solo album. Any fegs planning on attending this function? I really considered sporting a tix, but the date is not so timely with my schedule. It's cool Robyn will be 50 on 03-03-03. All the best, Nuppy ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 13:09:05 -0800 (PST) From: Perry Amberson Subject: Re: What? Nuppy wrote: >>> And what the hell is this? Who's that in the photo? <<< To which I say the following: That would be UK class of '77 punkers Chelsea, in their post-Billy Idol incarnation. - --Perry ___________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 18:01:44 -0500 From: Ken Ostrander Subject: re: the porny issue >Not the best analogies. The problem here is that the image itself is not a >neutral object, nor is it an objective record. It is a deliberate end >product of a process that is illegal and harmful. To willingly purchase this >image-product for pornographic reasons is to support the process by which it >is made. not to mention being a sicko... it's unfortunate that pete paid to view this stuff, even if it was for research. even more unfortunate is his belief that he was a victim of child abuse. perhaps this will help to raise awareness, rather than become an excuse to crucify another celebrity. these kinds of allegations don't have to be proven for the public to convict them in their own minds. still, it raises another question; namely, how can we fight child pornography if we remain ignorant about it? >> Not only that, but I keep getting emails sent to my hotmail account where >> the subject line reads, "hot teens and farm animals" and the like--I >> haven't looked at them so I don't know if it sends you to a link or if >> there are actual pictures in the email, but how can that stuff get sent out >> and not be caught by the FBI? i'm always amused by the claims of "incest photos". hard to prove. as mentioned, "teenager" is a nebulous term. just as are pornography and prostitution. people have their own definition of them. in addition, these are areas where abuses occur on a regular basis; yet there are plenty of people that work within these industries that both enjoy it and profit off of their own labors. similarly, there are clients of these fields that are responsible and those that are not. as different moralities conflict on these issues; so do legalities. regulation would be beneficial to everyone involved, except perhaps those that don't want to see it. anyone should be able to profit off of their body. in fact, we all sell ourselves for money. when it's not our choice, then there are...ahem...sticky issues. ken "i am a big, bright shining star" the kenster ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #11 *******************************