From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #10 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, January 13 2003 Volume 12 : Number 010 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: reap [Eb ] Re: Breaking the Feg Law of Celebrety Inverse Proportion [Jeffrey with 2 ] maurice gibb & hosptial talk (be forwarned) ["* randi / twofangs.producti] CIP ["Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" ] 2 Days Later ["FS Thomas" ] a song with nearly thirty verses about squid ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: 2 Days Later [Jeff Dwarf ] Re: 2 Days Later [Jeff Dwarf ] Fuck. [The Great Quail ] feelm [bayard ] Re: Breaking the Feg Law of Celebrety Inverse Proportion [grutness@surf4n] Re: feelm [Eb ] un hotel de glace [bayard ] Typoes can be fun [was Re: Breaking the Feg Law of Celebrety Inverse Proportion] [Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: reap >Leopoldo Galtieri, 76 >(who I always thought looked like an actor.) And Mickey Finn, from the T. Rex band. Eb, who has waaaay too much death in his life right now ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2003 22:57:01 -0600 From: Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey Subject: Re: Breaking the Feg Law of Celebrety Inverse Proportion Quoting "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" : > "I find myself extremely upset by this. Only time will tell if > Townshend's denial of wrongdoing is true. I ardently hope it is, but > then I hope that no child goes to bed hungry either -- so much for my > hopes. > > What Im lookinging at is his admission to childhood molestation and to > dealing with that in the last few years. I find this all hellishly > disturbing because -- well, I've just assumed for quite a while that > he was sexually abused as a child. Ive assumed that because of his > songs. It is all over them, he's right there, its also shows up in > his public persona. Id also assumed that he had probobly had all sorts > of wonderful expensive therapy decades before now and that everything > was all nice and ducky. > > Guess not. Tentatively, I'm assuming Pete's innocent: one, because although I'm not a slavish consumer of scandal sheets, I don't recall reports of his dallying with excessively young groupies (a la Jimmy Page and his 14-year-olds); and two, because paying for child-porn with his own credit card while researching a book about his own life is a quintessentially Townshend-esque combo of egocentricity, naivete, and an analytic cast of mind that one sees in any number of his interviews and songs. Which brings up the third point: that while unlike Kay, I hadn't thought of it before, the revelation that Townshend believes he may have been abused suddenly brings any number of lyrical moments into a terrible and depressing focus. At least I hope he's innocent. ..Jeff J e f f r e y N o r m a n The Architectural Dance Society www.uwm.edu/~jenor/ADS.html :: sex, drugs, revolt, Eskimos, atheism np: Low _Trust_ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 02:38:54 -0500 From: "* randi / twofangs.productions *" Subject: maurice gibb & hosptial talk (be forwarned) Hey all, Been in & out of hospital for the past few months ... I apologize to all of you whom I should had emailed ... I'll try and get back on track :-) I felt the need to comment on Maurice Gibb's death because of Marcy bringing it up, and because of *what* killed him. Of my 18 surgeries, most of them were for intestinal blockages like MG had, and a few surgeries happened *after* my bowel had started to rupture .... which lead to its own series of disasters. Twice I was in a coma - once for three days and once for a eleven days. I am so damned lucky it is incredible. Even if the blockage doesn't tear the intestine, it will usually cause a series of small tears, teeny rips that leak the bacteria in your intestines into your body cavity and taint your blood. (That's when you get septicaemia - blood poisoning - which I've had three times. That's why my first words to Robyn were "septicaemia doesn't always win." I realize Maurice Gibb also suffered a cardiac arrest - the blockage + the heart problem = disaster. I just wonder ... what if the doctors were so concentrated on removing the piece of blocked bowel that they weren't as observant of MG's heart, which would be even more possible if no one knew there was a pre-existing heart condition. If he was on heart meds he may have been on blood thinner type drugs to control pressure or cholesterol. That's a big no-no before surgery, 'cause then you can't control bleeding, so you have to stop taking most heart meds for at least two weeks before any surgery. Obviously MG had emergency surgery ... it's such a shame ... in this day and age you shouldn't die from a blockage. It's just wrong. Dr. Randi signing off and fading back into yesterday before tomorrow comes, *what scares you most will set you free* ~ robyn hitchcock *by endurance we conquer* ~ sir ernest shackleton ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:56:41 +0000 From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" Subject: CIP Sabina, >the poor man Thanks for filling in the note that I, in my reaction, left out. - -------------------- JeFF: >because paying for child-porn with his own credit card while researching a book about his own life is a quintessentially >Townshend-esque combo of egocentricity, naivete, and an analytic cast of >mind Agreed. I almost wrote but didn't that I wouldn't be suprised to see Townshend exhibit that sort of narcissism (or as you put it, egocentricity--since he knows he's innocent of course every one else will too. Thats one of his traits that Ive always identified with. And thats perhaps why I got so upset. Whether we should or not we do, either consiously or unconsiously, identify with media figures who we know more about than our own 4th-cousins. And growing up, tallish with a long face and big rooked nose, intelligent, impulsive, egocentric, capable of double-vision, idealist, angry and seeking for something better, Townshend was an easy one for me to identify with. Funny how that works. - ------------------- James: >Here I am long-term Feg and I must admit -- did not know about two of the >people you recced to Rich,-- Ed Kuepper and David Kilgour. Whats their stuff like? - ----------------- Hi Randi, Good to see you online. Kay _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:41:47 -0500 From: "FS Thomas" Subject: 2 Days Later ...with the body barely cold, it seems the Who aren't the only ones carrying on: [Barry Gibb] insisted the band would continue with just himself and Robin. "Maurice will be a void, always in our lives and he will always be featured as the third member of the Bee Gees, no matter what we do. "But one thing I will tell you is that the Bee Gees will go on. The Bee Gees will not stop here. The Bee Gees will not disintegrate because we've lost Mo." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2652147.stm F S Thomas ferris@ochremedia.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:59:56 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: a song with nearly thirty verses about squid Good News: the Peter Stampfel & The Bottle Caps have recorded another album -- . Yes, it features lots of squid. Bad News: Rounder have decided not to publish it, and Peter's looking for a place to master 1000 copies himself. Stewart (who wants to learn to play the banjo just like Peter.) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:44:33 -0800 From: barbara soutar Subject: That Lord of the Rings movie Happy New Year to all of the Feg people, Yesterday I finally saw The Two Towers, and must add my voice to the group that say it's at least as good as the book. It feels and looks just the way I pictured it. And I'm speaking as one who did a painting of Gandalf the Grey when I was 16 (I'm now 49). A couple of scenes in the movie have a similar look to the long-ago painting I did, which is amazing to me. (By the way, this artifact went to the garbage dump years ago but I have a photo or two of myself standing in front of it.) It's even possible that the movie is better than the book. The Wizard of Oz is a better movie than the set of books that inspired it, due partly to the technological "wizardry" (i.e.Technicolour) and artistic talent of those who worked on it and in it. My feeling is that more people will benefit from this - the movie will be seen by those who would not necessarily have the patience to wade through the complete trilogy of books. Another point - I would only mention this to people who I'm not related to - Gollum looked and acted startlingly like my alcoholic mother-in-law. I dared not mention this to my husband because it was so insulting! After the movie he asked me why the Hobbits trusted Gollum... the only answer I could come up with was that he USED to be a Hobbit like them, and they felt compassion for him. The help he gave him was secondary I believe. Barbara Soutar Victoria, B.C. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:09:55 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: 2 Days Later FS Thomas wrote: > ...with the body barely cold, it seems the Who aren't the only ones > carrying on: > > [Barry Gibb] insisted the band would continue with just himself and > Robin. I think I've kinda changed my mind about these things. Not that I'd ever go, but it's not like anyone who reads a newspaper mmillieniumnce a millienium is going to expect to see Maurice Gibb or John Entwistle or whoever up on stage. If Count Basie et cetera can still have a toafter orchestra ofter they die, and everything is on the up and up, I don't really care if the last remaining carcasses go around with their dog and ponyDaltrey. I'd respect Daltry and TownshendDaltreyif they called it Daltry and Townshend (or, morDaltreyly, Townshend and Daltry), but anyone surprised by the lack of Entwistle (or Keith Moon, for that matter) deserves to feel ripped off for not paying attention. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 12:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Re: 2 Days Later Jeff Dwarf wrote: > TownshendDaltreyif morDaltreyly I hate Yahoo's spellchecker. Worth every penny I paid for it. ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:50:21 -0500 From: The Great Quail Subject: Fuck. http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/europe/01/13/uk.townshend/index.html ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 13:54:30 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: feelm hey, i saw the 2 towers and, like the first film, it impressed me but i was vauguely disappointed in a way; by necessity, the films are sort of a "three hour tour" of middle earth, rather than a completely faithful rendering of Tolkien's world. The film of the two towers is very dark and loud, which i guess is more jarring in a theater than in a book. still it was well done. I like the references to the hobbit and the events of the simarillion, (indications to the uninitiated of the greater depth/complexity of the source material) and it was good that they included things like gollum and sam's argument about food (as has been noted, character development needs all the help it can get). Here's a thread about what the book might have been like if it were written by other authors. http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=326f709aa2088ba5d61147174aa260d9&threadid=138905&perpage=50&pagenumber=1 A film I recently saw and liked a lot, and am surprised I haven't seen mentioned here, is "Adaptation"; I liked it better than _Being John Malcovich._ I was very pleased I got to see it without knowing anything about it beforehand, so don't discuss it here, but do write me if you saw it, and let me know what you thought. =b - -- http://glasshotel.net/glassflesh ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 11:06:16 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: Breaking the Feg Law of Celebrety Inverse Proportion >But mostly Im still amazed that if what he says is true or partially >true, he's almost 60 and still struggling with the open wounds of his >childhood. Its like the war never ends." My mum still suffers from the physical abuse she received as a child close to 70 years ago. It does never end. And to add a couple more bits of evidence to your analysis of Townshend's songs, I'll add "I'm a boy" and possibly also "Happy Jack". James (who titled a painting after some of the lyrics from "Sunrise") np - Spirits having flown and no, I can't really see myself frying the Argentinian flag at half-mast for Galtieri. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 14:24:14 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: feelm >i saw the 2 towers and, like the first film, it impressed me but i was >vaguely disappointed in a way I went to see The Two Towers over the weekend, but I arrived a little late and had to really rush to get to my seat. Even so, I ended up missing the opening credits. Damn those multiplexes. I don't really agree with the changes made in this second film. I didn't know that Elijah Wood had been replaced, and while the new star may look more like a hobbit than Wood, I didn't think he was as nearly good an actor. Also, I was irked that the setting was arbitrarily switched to the contemporary American world (talk about a commercial compromise!), and I *really* thought it was stupid to suddenly decide that Frodo is actually a pretty teenage girl who has only been *transformed* into a male hobbit. That wasn't in the book, was it? Everything turned out OK in the end, but damned if I can figure out how they can add a third installment to the series now. Seems like there isn't anywhere else for the story to go, now that the prom is over. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:35:38 -0800 (PST) From: bayard Subject: un hotel de glace i was flipping channels and a travel show mentioned what sounded to me like "a hotel de glass" - it's actually a hotel of glace (ice), but still looks pretty cool (no pun intended.) http://www.icehotel-canada.com/en/hotel.htm - -- http://glasshotel.net/glassflesh ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 15:52:22 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Typoes can be fun [was Re: Breaking the Feg Law of Celebrety Inverse Proportion] James Dignan wrote: > and no, I can't really see myself > f_R_ying the Argentinian flag at half-mast for Galtieri. emphasis mine.... ===== "Propaganda is that branch of the art of lying which consists in very nearly deceiving your friends without quite deceiving your enemies." -- F.M. Cornford "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:59:56 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: a song with nearly thirty verses about squid Good News: the Peter Stampfel & The Bottle Caps have recorded another album -- . Yes, it features lots of squid. Bad News: Rounder have decided not to publish it, and Peter's looking for a place to master 1000 copies himself. Stewart (who wants to learn to play the banjo just like Peter.) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #10 *******************************