From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V12 #2 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Friday, January 3 2003 Volume 12 : Number 002 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Soft Boys heard (briefly) on Regis and Kelly ["Bernard, Peter" ] Re: Write, and bolder turn [Tom Clark ] Re: Feels Like 1974 [Sabina Carlson ] Re: Write, and bolder turn [John Barrington Jones ] "the twin towers" ["ross taylor" ] Re: Wanking 'Wyneth [Steve Talkowski ] Re: best and worst movies. ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: best and worst movies. [Eb ] first creepy link of the year ["Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" ] To slant or to wank, neither is the answer. ["Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 08:28:29 -0600 From: "Bernard, Peter" Subject: Soft Boys heard (briefly) on Regis and Kelly Heard Thursday a.m., Jan. 2, while getting ready for work. A multi-second snippet of I Love Lucy as Regis and Kelly segue into their Travel Trivia quiz. Next stop: the NFL Peter B. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:11:57 +0000 From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" Subject: Write, and bolder turn Rex: Thanks for the bday hits. I think if anyone could be said to be born on the day of The Slaughter of the Innocents, it might be Chilton. Poetically that has resonance. And of all the folks listed he is the one whose music I like the most. >There was a watercolor of Woolf on the cover of the old copy of "The Waves" that I bought and read in Paris... I thought she >looked pretty hot, in a haunted kind of way I think she was quite beautiful in a haunted way. And I seem to require haunted. Those eyes are incredible, there is so much in them. I love "The Waves" and "Orlando." I also loved Kidman in "To Die For." Im not sure I've ever seen her thou in anything "heavy"( and doing a life of Woolfe without generous heapings of melenchoy would be impossible, right?)(I mean her triumph was that she was able to prevail and work for so long, but in the end the black dog -did- get her.)(Oh man, I hope they don't mess with this too much.) - ------------- Happies to all other solistice-thereabouts babes. - ---------- I agree on Bowie for Elrond. - ------------- Tom: >I catch a lot of shit for saying this, but ANYTHING with "Gwyney" is worth >seeing. I'm not sure what context you're saying this in;-). I know there are alot of people who seem to just hate her or who only like looking at her for her looks but I have to say ... I have only seen her in "Emma," "Shakespeare in Love," "The Royall Tannenbaums," and "Possession." And based on them, I'd say she's very good, far, far better than alot of the cutie-pies vying for center stage. She also appears to have first class taste in material. I wish she would feel secure enough in her talent to be less of a media slattern, but not feeling secure enough in your own talent and needing to be a media slattern seems to be an epedemic. Besides, she gives a new and splendid meaning to the phrase "so white and golden burn"(Im being bad here, quoting from her (and my) old high school's absolutely dreadful, unsingable school song. But it does describe her glow.) I think Paltrow could show Plath as a truelly tragic herione, inspiring all the terror and pity needed., depending, of course, on how good the direction and the rest of the production is. - ------------------------ Oy--Woolf, Plath, -- is there a run right now on brilliant, haunted women? Kay, with a laptop of her own The body is at its best between the ages of thirty and thirty-five: the mind at its best about the age of forty-nine. Aristotle _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 09:21:07 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: best and worst movies. At 2:31 PM +1300 12/31/02, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "James Dignan" and whispered: >(Don't answer that, I know - "Starsky and Hutch" is in production. Sigh.) Somebody must pay for this. >FWIW, I liked Men in Black. I liked it too. At 2:08 AM -0800 12/31/02, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves "drew" and whispered: >> I'd >> like to point out that you seem to have a reverence for the text, yet if >>you >> notice, Sam is not a nuanced character in the books. Which were written before Star Wars showed how the support droids were supposed to act. >> I really liked the song "Dance Hall Days". > >*awkward silence C'mon... "Weng-Chiang". Get it? > (anyone >> remember the hilarious segment where Triumph interviews all the AOTC >> fans in full garb waiting out front of the Zeigfeld theatre?) That is screamingly funny. Did Conan show the whole piece? The version I have of it is about 10 minutes long, and is a nonstop howl. "This is my life support apparatus." "Which button calls your parents to come pick you up?" The ending with the guy dressed up as Mr. Spock giving everybody the finger had me rolling on the floor. MEK (w/a PH) - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 17:33:51 +0000 From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" Subject: Nevermind Ive got to enjoy my own spelling sometimes. In my last message melencholy became a new bittersweet salad, perhaps offered at a Persian/Chinese restaurent: "melenchoy." Kay _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 11:50:33 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Write, and bolder turn on 1/2/03 9:11 AM, Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome at theyarenotlong@hotmail.com wrote: > Tom: >> I catch a lot of shit for saying this, but ANYTHING with "Gwyney" is worth >> seeing. > > > I have only seen her in "Emma," "Shakespeare in Love," "The Royall > Tannenbaums," and "Possession." And based on them, I'd say she's very good, > far, far better than alot of the cutie-pies vying for center stage. She also > appears to have first class taste in material. I wish she would feel secure > enough in her talent to be less of a media slattern, but not feeling secure > enough in your own talent and needing to be a media slattern seems to be an > epedemic. I agree that it's too bad she's so overexposed. I thought she was really good in Tannenbaums. I also liked her in "Great Expectations" and "Jefferson in Paris". It doesn't hurt that I've always had a thing for her mom, Blythe Danner. - -t "don't say MILF" c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:22:01 -0500 From: Sabina Carlson Subject: Re: Feels Like 1974 >If we take into account such factors as pollution and the > depletion of natural capital, we see that the quality of life peaked in > the UK in 1974 and in the US in 1968, and has been falling ever since. > We are going backwards. glen just provided me with more irrefutable proof that i was born too late. *sigh* peace, love, unity, 1974 and 68 sabina sheena ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:26:38 -0800 (PST) From: John Barrington Jones Subject: Re: Write, and bolder turn Does anyone know Gwyneth's movies REALLLLLY well? There's a line in one of them (spoken by Gwyneth): "You wanker....you sad sad wanker....." I made a sound file of it way back when (maybe 3 or 4 years ago) and now I can't find it. Anyone know the movie?? =jbj= On Thu, 2 Jan 2003, Tom Clark wrote: > on 1/2/03 9:11 AM, Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome at theyarenotlong@hotmail.com > wrote: > > > Tom: > >> I catch a lot of shit for saying this, but ANYTHING with "Gwyney" is worth > >> seeing. > > > > > > > I have only seen her in "Emma," "Shakespeare in Love," "The Royall > > Tannenbaums," and "Possession." And based on them, I'd say she's very good, > > far, far better than alot of the cutie-pies vying for center stage. She also > > appears to have first class taste in material. I wish she would feel secure > > enough in her talent to be less of a media slattern, but not feeling secure > > enough in your own talent and needing to be a media slattern seems to be an > > epedemic. > > I agree that it's too bad she's so overexposed. I thought she was really > good in Tannenbaums. I also liked her in "Great Expectations" and > "Jefferson in Paris". It doesn't hurt that I've always had a thing for her > mom, Blythe Danner. > > -t "don't say MILF" c ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:27:12 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: "the twin towers" - -- I still hear people calling the film that. It has become clear to me that I didn't read past the 1st book -- I guess too slow for my tastes at the time, & later it all just seemed too much what everyone else had read. A stupid reason, but so what. Or at least I think that was my reason. At any rate, I found the movie clear & very engaging, i.e. capable of standing on its own. I kind of thought Gollum outshone the meat actors, but not by too much. Also, NZ performed well again. If I'd known it was like that I really would have moved there in the early 80s when I was fed up w/ the cold war. The only time I really worry about films staying close to text is if a play is being adapted, but even that may be arbitrary. I don't know about Tolkien, but there a lots of just OK books that make great movies -- I remember how much I *tried* to like reading Pierre Boulle's Bridge Over the River Kwai. Sidebar about violence-- Of all the fight scenes, my fav was w/ the giant-wolf thingies (I cannot remember all those made-up names). I mean, cavalry vs. a bunch of giant wolves, each w/ an orc on top -- gnarly! I had a shit-eating grin thru the whole thing. So after the film I was let down to find my daughter & her friend (both 14) didn't like it as much as friend's mom & I did. Were the fight scenes too scary? "Kinda depressing." Well, way to bring me down from my action high. Friend's mom did point out that it might have mutated into a guy-movie, since it had tons of guy-movie previews: "Bad Boys II," "X Men II," "Final Destination II," "Darkness Falls" etc. I countered that it might be a phase of acculturation for the kids -- at age 5 my daughter saw the Marx Bros., dressed as MDs, give an "examination" to Margaret Dumont (a bad experience for Ma'm'selle Dumont) and broke into tears. "THREE men against ONE woman!" She's now a huge Marxist, & we do Chico & Harpo's handshake from Night in Casablanca regularly. Sidebar about Gollum-- It was fun talking to the girls about multiple personalities. For my part, I didn't take Gollum as a human w/ MPD, but as a fantasy/sci-fi charactor whose mind has been partially taken over by a terrific external force. Still, it was interesting to compare to the daemons in His Dark Materials, and point out how in our thoughts there is generally a part that speaks and a part that listens ... and how we can actually have many different "speakers and listeners" ... and how if more than one of these signs onto a mailing list at the same time, it gets confusing ... I didn't get into how I take Marvin Minsky so seriously I've come to accept that we're all multiples. Ross Taylor "White Wizard Cleans Faster!!" Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:42:38 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: Wanking 'Wyneth On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 03:26 PM, John Barrington Jones wrote: > There's a line in one of them (spoken by Gwyneth): "You wanker....you > sad > sad wanker....." > > Anyone know the movie?? It sounds like a line from "Sliding Doors", where she assumed a rather sexy British accent for the role. - -Steve ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:43:34 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: best and worst movies. Michael E. Kupietz wrote, in an obsolete vernacular: > > >(Don't answer that, I know - "Starsky and > > Hutch" is in production. Sigh.) > > Somebody must pay for this. Mind you, Owen Wilson can only be less wooden than David Soul. "Wildcat ... wild cat ... pow, pow" And he once played a character called Dignan, too. Stewart (who bets that Jackson left out the -- admittedly minor -- character of Rodinal.) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 12:54:56 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: best and worst movies. >(who bets that Jackson left out the -- admittedly minor -- character >of Rodinal.) Rodinal? Sounds like that would be great for migraines. Where can I get some? Eb ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 15:20:05 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: first creepy link of the year http://www.johannas-art.com/Portraits.htm ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2003 20:26:33 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: first creepy link of the year On Thursday, January 2, 2003, at 06:20 PM, Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: > http://www.johannas-art.com/Portraits.htm What's even creepier is that Paul Stanley paid for a commission. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 19:55:47 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: first creepy link of the year On 2 Jan 2003 at 15:20, Jason Brown (Echo Services In wrote: > http://www.johannas-art.com/Portraits.htm Better if the backgrounds had been trailer park scenes, no? "... and here's me 'n' Stevie sippin' a Colt 45 with two straws." ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 11:07:07 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Eleventy-one today! JRR Tolkien. I guess I should go for a drink in the Eagle & Child or the Old Tom tonight (both pubs here in Oxford in which Tolkien and CS Lewis used to drink). Tangentially (Though not unconnected), it's also John Paul Jones of Led Zepplin's birthday, though he's still a few years shy of 111. "in the darkest depths of Mordor I met a girl, but Gollum and the Evil One crept up and slipped away with her"... genius... of a sort... Cheers! Matt >From: "ross taylor" >Reply-To: "ross taylor" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: "the twin towers" >Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2003 15:27:12 -0500 > >-- I still hear people calling the film that. > >It has become clear to me that I didn't read past the 1st book -- I guess too slow for my tastes >at the time, & later it all just seemed too much what everyone else had read. A stupid reason, >but so what. Or at least I think that was my reason. At any rate, I found the movie clear & >very engaging, i.e. capable of standing on its own. I kind of thought Gollum outshone the meat >actors, but not by too much. Also, NZ performed well again. If I'd known it was like that I really would have moved there in the early 80s when I was fed up w/ the cold war. > >The only time I really worry about films staying close to text is if a play is being adapted, but >even that may be arbitrary. I don't know about Tolkien, but there a lots of just OK books that make great movies -- I remember how much I *tried* to like reading Pierre Boulle's Bridge Over >the River Kwai. > >Sidebar about violence-- > >Of all the fight scenes, my fav was w/ the giant-wolf thingies (I cannot remember all those >made-up names). I mean, cavalry vs. a bunch of giant wolves, each w/ an orc on top -- >gnarly! I had a shit-eating grin thru the whole thing. So after the film I was let down to find >my daughter & her friend (both 14) didn't like it as much as friend's mom & I did. Were the >fight scenes too scary? "Kinda depressing." Well, way to bring me down from my action high. >Friend's mom did point out that it might have mutated into a guy-movie, since it had tons of >guy-movie previews: "Bad Boys II," "X Men II," "Final Destination II," "Darkness Falls" etc. >I countered that it might be a phase of acculturation for the kids -- at age 5 my daughter saw >the Marx Bros., dressed as MDs, give an "examination" to Margaret Dumont (a bad experience >for Ma'm'selle Dumont) and broke into tears. "THREE men against ONE woman!" She's now a >huge Marxist, & we do Chico & Harpo's handshake from Night in Casablanca regularly. > >Sidebar about Gollum-- > >It was fun talking to the girls about multiple personalities. For my part, I didn't take Gollum as >a human w/ MPD, but as a fantasy/sci-fi charactor whose mind has been partially taken over by >a terrific external force. Still, it was interesting to compare to the daemons in His Dark >Materials, and point out how in our thoughts there is generally a part that speaks and a part >that listens ... and how we can actually have many different "speakers and listeners" ... and >how if more than one of these signs onto a mailing list at the same time, it gets confusing ... >I didn't get into how I take Marvin Minsky so seriously I've come to accept that we're all >multiples. > >Ross Taylor >"White Wizard Cleans Faster!!" > > > > >Need a new email address that people can remember >Check out the new EudoraMail at >http://www.eudoramail.com - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2003 16:17:04 +0000 From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" Subject: To slant or to wank, neither is the answer. Tom, Paltrow can have the perfect snotty intonation to deem others sad wankers and almost have you agree. I think she's be great for a role where she gets to pretend to be a stylish, elitish villianess who assumes she's got everything figured out, untill, well, ... Confession, I saw Paltrow in that spider-web black dress (And with braids in her hair!) at the Oscar's a year ago and realized she would be a great incarnation of the villianess character I'd just written. Paltrow as Evil Kay -- oh yeah! What actor or actress could play the same role for all you Fegs -- play a version of your Evil-Self? And Danner --wow, I agree. Remember how she was prematurely gray and carried it off with gentle aplomb. She's always looked lovely and soulful, whereas Paltrow's beauty comes off as more brittle and postmodern. Quite a duo. - ---------------- Ross: >I didn't get into how I take Marvin Minsky so seriously I've come to > >accept that we're all multiples. Marvin Minsky? Explicate please. Depends how you define multiple, dosn't it? We all are microcosms of the cosmos. In us are multitudes, as Whitman said. Any of whats within us can be given voice. But a true multiple(very rare) has neither contol nor awareness over the phenomena thou it plays havoc with their life. They are a country without government plunged into a seemingly meaningless civil war. I don't think most of us are in that state. So what do you mean by multiple? Intresting that the one thing we all agree on in LOTR is that Gollum was well done past expectation. Kay The body is at its best between the ages of thirty and thirty-five: the mind at its best about the age of forty-nine. Aristotle _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V12 #2 ******************************