From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #434 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Monday, December 30 2002 Volume 11 : Number 434 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Old festive jelly [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: Old festive jelly ["Stewart C. Russell" ] her name was mcgill & she called herself lil but everyone knew her as nancy ["ross taylor" ] Hi Sabina ["Greta Swann" ] year-end bests [drewcifuge ] Since Xianmas is over... ["Enriched Macaroni Product" ] Re: Hi Sabina [Eb ] Re: Since Xianmas is over... [Miles Goosens ] Re: the two towers [Steve Talkowski ] I Dont Believe in Beatles ["Greta Swann" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:09:20 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Old festive jelly >My Robyn is July 4, another awkward day because school is out and people >go away to family reunions and things so few kids are around for parties. >My husband is Dec. 24 and that's another tough one. you could always move out of the US... :) >> >>I got my first two Kiss albums (Kiss and Hotter Than Hell) when I was >> >>about three. :) >> >> As if Sabina didn't make me feel old, even Ken's getting in on the act. >> Still, according to my mum, my first words were 'yeah, yeah, yeah' - said >> while the Beatles were on TV. So that's something at least. > >Does it help if this was around 1975 or 1976? not a bit. So you're nine years younger then me. Sigh. Stewart a dit: >> np - Lemon Jelly. Not particularly original, but very well done, for all >>that. > >which one? lemonjelly.ky, or Lost Horizons? I got the latter for a whole >C$10 used, and love it. "Nice Weather for Ducks" was clearly influenced >by the song I had to audition for primary school choir ("Every Duck >Loves Swimming in the Sunshine"). I really wish it didn't have >"Experiment No 6", which creeps me out every time. I really wish I knew >what that experiment was meant to achieve. that's the one - Lost Horizons. I was fooled by the lack of title on the sleeve. I agree about "Experiment no 6". For some unknown reason I very much like "Ramblin' man". James PS - a reap that very few of you will know of, but it's huge news here: Don Clarke - the greatest Rugby player in the world during the late '50s and early '60s. James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 22:21:22 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: Re: Old festive jelly James Dignan wrote: > > For some unknown reason I very > much like "Ramblin' man". me2. It's the random place names, some exotic, some not, that impress me. I suspect that the narrator is half of Lemon Jelly's dad. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:01:11 -0500 From: "ross taylor" Subject: her name was mcgill & she called herself lil but everyone knew her as nancy Hello Sabina! - --- Congrats, Rex! I was going to make this joke -- my sister-in-law is expecting & very affectionately refers to the person in her belly as the Alien, so it seemed a switch that in your case, not the Alien, but Ridley burst out -- then I realised that the charactor's name was Ripley & the director's name was Ridley, a connection that had never occured to this bear-of-little-brain. - --- Happy B-day, Kay (and others, sorry). In light of your spooky fiction, it's neat you were born near xmas -- isn't there something semi-satanic about being born on xmas day? but you side- stepped that? - --- The-Robyn-as-minstrel-guest-appearance-on-TV-thread: Ever since a great episode w/ the Dillards on Andy Griffith, I've always loved imagining my fav singers into just about any TV series. It seems like in most urban dramas, cop shows etc, or ones that have any wiggle room for humor, there's always room for an occasional crazy street person cameo. Robyn could look ancient in old-guy makeup & croak his lines. Or he could look like a street person & sing a weird song, but then give supply perfectly reasonable sounding info to the other characters, as a witness or something. He could finish the scene behaving quite normally, but be 1st seen dressed as a psychedelic street person, standing on a box to be even taller & singing "the shrine it writhed with giblets and with hairs and flickering little tongues in pairs and throats that grew from pads of cheese and then came out behind the knees" But he would have to be on the side of good. Bowie does small roles as an assasin & whatnot, but I can't see Robyn even cooperating w/ the bad guys. - --- Got "Brainwashed" and Dylan's "Live in 1975" for xmas. No big revelations, actually like the Harrison slightly better, but already had much of the Dylan in various formats, plus I'm not too crazy about the lyrics to "Hurricane" -- "where they try to turn a man into a m-o-o-u-w-s-e" I'm enjoying more "The Troggs at Max's Kansas City" and "The Bo Diddley London Sessions" - --- >> You got a Scottish connection there, Rex? It's the sort of thing we do. (Peter) Ross Taylor who never liked H. Ross Perot Need a new email address that people can remember Check out the new EudoraMail at http://www.eudoramail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:40:17 -0500 From: Sabina Carlson Subject: tapes, dylan, and other such things you are about to witness the birth of new robyn hitchcock fans!!! my dad made a music tape for his friends kids much like the one he made for me and there are two hitchcock songs on there! well i doubt the kids are old enough to even pronounce the word "tape" let alone "fegmaniax" or even "hitchcock" but we'll see where it all ends up. i will stand self-corrected. on my first tapes there was louis armstrong, the ramones, the beatles, and other such musicians, and i didn't get introduced to gang of four or nirvana until i was about four or five. not that anyone would particularly care, i just thought i'd fix my misstatment. in response to ross i got my mom the dylan "live in 1975" cd for her chanukka gift and she loved it. she also saw the same concert as a little girl so it was a good walk down memory lane for her... i think. anyways i will look into "brainwashed" too. peace, love, unity sabina sheena ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:58:54 -0800 (PST) From: drewcifuge Subject: the two towers Kay, I reacted pretty much as you did to the film. You can read some of my thoughts about it in my LiveJournal (scroll down a few entries): http://octopus.livejournal.com/ In short, I was disappointed but not terribly surprised. This was a hard installment to make, requiring more attention to psychology and subtle interpersonal dynamics, and instead Jackson chose to externalize and literalize everything, washing it all over with an overbearing score a la Harry Potter. The sad part is that if you're not familiar with the books (I've only ever read them once, but I'm rereading each one before I see the film, and I like them much better this time around), you might never realize how much potential was lost. Still, I think he will probably knock it out of the park with the next film, which is probably more suited to his approach. And I still think these are the best movie adaptations we're likely to get of these stories, and I think they have enough virtues to make me happy. On the hottie question: I think Aragorn is handsome (more so than Viggo Mortensen) and this time around I thought Legolas was cuter (he's still a little too bland for me), but I still vote for Sam and Frodo, hairy feet and all. What a cute couple! It's too bad Astin's not a better Sam; his performance is almost totally without nuance, and I don't think we can totally blame Jackson there. Elijah Wood's a little one-note too. Those two should really be the heart of the movie and I'm afraid they just can't carry it. I have to admit I liked the haircuts too...not always very attractive, but certainly simple. They made me miss my long hair a little. - -- drew@lenin.nu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 16:03:14 -0500 From: "Greta Swann" Subject: Hi Sabina Hi Sabina It's like really good to hear from someone else in high school. But you sound really cool like everyone else on this list who has to be cool cause Robin is like obviously just so coolio. I've sorta been like hiding cause SOME people here are so cool they're MEAN though some of you are really nice and you know WHO YOU ARE(giggle.) Ive learned a whole alot about being cool here and its really cool cause it's helped me to be like cool. My new boyfriend Al (not my old boyfriend or my old new boyfriend or Tony who I didn't tell anyone about cause that one didn't last the weekend and usually a guy's got to stick round for at least three days to be your boyfriend but my new new boyfriend whose stuck around for two whole weeks!)was really impressed when I told him I thought Rush and Interpol and Scabby Knees had put out great CDs this year. I mean I haven't like heard them yet but there was no reason to tell Al that cause he was so like really impressed and asked me out cause he's been looking for a girl who like, you know, understands music because that means she'll understand HIM and I bet I'd like them if I'd I heard them. And since Im writing I have a question to ask as well as saying HI SABINA. Iw as watching TV and there was this really freakin weird thing on that I didn't want to watch but my stupid step- mom did so I had to sorta pay some attention even though it was this really stupid story story that didn't make any sense. There was a big tree that grew sideways and people had meals on its truck like it was a deck and there was this guy who was supposed to rule stuff but he didn't rule anything and he thought he was an owl and then he got eaten by owls. Everybody was crazy it was like Alice in Wonderland which has always made me feel weird and Ive always wondered why people liked it cause it just made me feel sick to my stomach. Anyway when the commercial came the credits said it was a movie based on a book called something like Goremeaghast but I know thats not the real title cause back when I was lurking I remeber a buntch of you talked about it and made it seem really cool. So why do you like it. I mean, it's like everybofy is insane and whats the point of a story where everybody is insane. I mean like why did Titzus like the wild girl? She was dirty and didn't even wear lip gloss? I bet she smelled. ()s and Xs Greta Care2 make the world greener! Race to Save the Primates - every click provides food! http://www.care2.com/go/z/primates ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:38:58 -0800 (PST) From: drewcifuge Subject: year-end bests I bought the new Ladytron with a Christmas gift card and I'm well pleased with it. Definitely up there on the list. I saw a terrific Tori Amos concert before I went on vacation, too. I think the new album is slowly growing on me and may become one of my favorites. - -- drew@lenin.nu ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:19:24 -0800 From: "Enriched Macaroni Product" Subject: Since Xianmas is over... ...it must be time for year-end lists. so here are my 25 favourite movies of the last 25 years. 1. My Life As A Dog 2. Brazil 3. The Kingdom I & II 4. A Passage To India 5. Yi Yi 6. Delicatessen 7. Once Upon A Time In America 8. Barton Fink 9. Life Of Brian 10. Jesus Of Montreal 11. The Unbearable Lightness Of Being 12. Goodfellas 13. Cradle Will Rock 14. The Hudsucker Proxy 15. Searching For Bobby Fischer 16. A River Runs Through It 17. Bugsy 18. Barcelona 19. Short Cuts 20. The Big Lebowski 21. Ran 22. Sid And Nancy 23. The Adjuster 24. Slacker 25. Wild Reeds Honorable Mention: The Adventures Of Baron Munchausen, Bob Roberts, Brother's Keeper, Bullets Over Broadway, Crumb, The Fabulous Baker Boys, Fargo, Hearts Of Darkness, The Last Temptation Of Christ, Lone Star, Mac, Matewan, Miller's Crossing, Pulp Fiction, Raising Arizona, Reds, Repo Man, Schindler's List, South Park: Bigger, Longer & Uncut, Stop Making Sense, Swimming To Cambodia, Time Bandits. and the 15 worst (that i saw). the ones i couldn't finish might have ranked even lower had i kept watching. 1. Sleepy Hollow 2. Forrest Gump 3. The Phantom Menace 4. Attack Of The Clones 5. Jurassic Park 6. Men In Black [couldn't finish] 7. Willow 8. Face/Off 9. Harry Potter & The Sorcerer's Stone [couldn't finish] 10. The Sixth Sense 11. The Truman Show 12. Return Of The Jedi 13. The Blair Witch Project 14. Buffy The Vampire Slayer, Complete First Season [not a movie, but, *damn*, this *reeks*] 15. Amistad KEN "Having trouble with my ducts" THE KENSTER _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 limited-time offer: Join now and get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup&xAPID=42&PS=47575&PI=7324&DI=7474&SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsg&HL=1216hotmailtaglines_newmsn8ishere_3mf ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:33:29 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Hi Sabina >Greta Swann: >But you sound >really cool like everyone else on this list who >has to be cool cause Robin is like obviously >just so coolio. > >Ive learned a whole alot about being cool here >and its really cool cause it's helped me to be >like cool. > >I mean like why >did Titzus like the wild girl? She was dirty and >didn't even wear lip gloss? I bet she smelled. Hrm. Sounding even more like a false pose/parody, now. Eb now bored to death by: Lauryn Hill/Unplugged 2.0 (the perfect album to own if you'd like to sit through a half hour of between-song psychobabble about how to "keep it real"...or if you love six- or seven-minute songs which repeat the same three or four chords for the entire duration...) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 15:41:41 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Since Xianmas is over... At 01:19 PM 12/30/2002 -0800, Enriched Macaroni Product wrote: >...it must be time for year-end lists. so here are my 25 favourite movies >of the last 25 years. I love or at least like every movie I've seen from Eddie's "favourites" list (which I think is about 2/3 of them), with the exception of SCHINDLER'S LIST, but I'm not getting into that again. On the other hand, Eddie's "worst" list contains: a movie that looks so gorgeous that I really didn't care about the indifferent script (SLEEPY HOLLOW), a movie everyone told me I was supposed to dislike but I really ended up liking just fine even if the damn thing did get hijacked in the popular media by by conservatives and it beat the living shit out of Redford's snoozeriffic QUIZ SHOW which we saw on the same day (FORREST GUMP), a damn fun John Woo flick that gives us the spectacle of Nic Cage doing a dead-on Revolta imitation (FACE/OFF), and a movie whose source material is so strong that it can't be completely killed by its unimaginative hack director (the first HARRY POTTER). And it hurls the word "reeks" at a TV series that's made its way into the virtual first-place tie for "Miles' favorite TV show ever" putting it right up there with HILL STREET BLUES, SCTV, the second Bob Newhart show, and the first ten years of THE SIMPSONS (BtVS). later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:27:19 -0500 From: Steve Talkowski Subject: Re: the two towers I thoroughly enjoyed this film over the first one. The opening sequence generates the appropriate goose-bumps and propels the viewer straight into the story minus the lengthy exposition, which the first film required. I haven't read any of the books, so my take is somewhat different - i was hanging on every scene waiting to see how the story unfolds. I saw it with a fellow CG animator (who read the books) and he wasn't as disappointed as some of you hard-core Tolkien geeks about what was and what wasn't left in or out. The three hours passed quickly and I was totally prepared for the next three... From an FX standpoint, I'm often jaded since I've been doing this type of work for 15 years now. However, Gollum was an order of magnitude better than ILM's Yoda (of course, ILM will have their chance for rebuttal when "The HULK" hits screens next summer) and I totally bought into the performance - especially so when Gollum/Smeagol is experiencing his inner turmoil. Great casting of Bernard Hill (The captain in Titanic) as Theoden. Oh, and I'm surprised the Tolkien obsessed haven't mentioned this yet... http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/ 0,4057,5764569%255E13780,00.html - -Steve (lead rigger and animator of "Alien Resurrection") ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 18:14:16 -0500 From: "Greta Swann" Subject: I Dont Believe in Beatles Well, I may not know much but I know this much even if I am young and not cool enough to be a rock critic who lives in LA and sees cool shows and talks to really really cool famous people. John Lennon didn't believe in the Beatles but the Beatles were real anyway and his saying they didn't exist didn't make them stop existing and besides it was Paul who broke up the Beatles. But anyway they made records so they exist whether Paul or John said they didn't or doin't believe in them because we have the records and can still play them and when we play them they exist whether they want to or not. So Eb, you're too cool to believe in me? Well, I don't believe in you back! I think you're just a parody of some snotty rock critic who thinks its really really cool to be mean. So there. ()'s + x's Greta Care2 make the world greener! Race to Save the Primates - every click provides food! http://www.care2.com/go/z/primates ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #434 ********************************