From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #423 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Sunday, December 15 2002 Volume 11 : Number 423 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: Speaking of TV and Buffy... [steve ] Mission accomplished! [Glen Uber ] RE: News of probable interest [Aaron Mandel ] more fun with Lodger [Jason Thornton ] Re: Wow! I never knew this before [Ken Weingold ] Re: Wow! I never knew this before ["Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy ] Accents and impersonators [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Cancellations/ratings (0% RH) [Scott Hunter McCleary ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:55:17 -0600 From: steve Subject: Re: Speaking of TV and Buffy... On Friday, December 13, 2002, at 10:45 PM, Christopher Gross wrote: > I'm not sure which shows you're referring to; but isn't the Sci-Fi > Network > switching to an all-UFO format? Maybe not, they're adding "let's talk about my sex dreams" and "oh, I'm scared" shows to their "let's talk to my dead mom" show, so that points toward MTV. For Mac geeks only - http://www-3.ibm.com/chips/products/powerpc/newsletter/dec2002/ newproductfocus2.html - - Steve __________ There is no precedent in any modern White House for what is going on in this one: a complete lack of a policy apparatus.  What you've got is everythingand I mean everythingbeing run by the political arm. It's the reign of the Mayberry Machiavellis. - John DiIulio, 2002 ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 09:10:09 -0800 From: Glen Uber Subject: Mission accomplished! Hey all, Disregard my request for "Albuquerque Lullaby" by Dan Bern. I located it with the help of LimeWire. Thanks again. Cheers! - -g- "Never waste a trip anywhere by coming home without beer." - --Russ Reynolds glen uber // apostrophe (at) crux of the biscuit dot com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 12:22:42 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: RE: News of probable interest On Tue, 26 Nov 2002, Bachman, Michael wrote: > I am on the the Go-Betweens Tallulah e-mail list, and The Friends of > Rachel Worth is generally regarded as an ok comeback. It is nowhere near > as good as Before Hollywood, Liberty Belle, or 16 Lovers Lane or even > Spring Hill Fair. I thought "Going Blind" was possibly Grant's best song ever, certainly in the purely catchy/poppy division. The rest of the album didn't measure up, exactly, but I liked it more than any of the solo material I'd heard from the period when the band was broken up. So I have pretty high hopes for the 'reunion' to become a full second phase of their existence. a ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 10:55:32 -0800 From: Jason Thornton Subject: more fun with Lodger On Saturday, December 14, 2002, at 08:43 AM, fegmaniax-digest wrote: > Wow is right. As intimate as I've been with both songs for what, 23 > years, I never made the connection. The question is why this wasn't in > the press circa '79? Or was it? Back then I read everything I could > get my hands on, but maybe I missed it. Anyone else know about this? Yeah, I've known about it for years, but I'm not sure when I, or the rest of the world, found out about it. It may have been revealed some time after 79. Another bit of trivia you are probably already aware of... "Red Money," the final track on Lodger, is just "Sister Midnight" from Iggy Pop's "The Idiot" album with different lyrics. Bowie had been playing "Sister Midnight" on the Heroes tour, and decided to record a version with his own words. Jason ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 15:31:42 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Wow! I never knew this before On Fri, Dec 13, 2002, Eb wrote: > http://de.share.geocities.com/camillo1971/MoveOn-reversed.mp3 > > A backwards version of Bowie's Lodger track "Move On"...sound > familiar? It should.... I never knew it either, but I guess it's not THAT weird, since Bowie wrote All The Young Dudes. And Jason, he also co-wrote Sister Midnight. Probably known, but maybe it puts it a little into perspective for those who don't. Siouxsie and the Banshees also did this I believe with Slowdive and Peek-A-Boo. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 13:30:06 -0800 From: "Michael E. Kupietz, wearing a pointy hat" Subject: Re: Wow! I never knew this before At 9:50 PM -0800 12/13/02, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves Eb and whispered: >http://de.share.geocities.com/camillo1971/MoveOn-reversed.mp3 That is so totally cool! Who the hell figured that one out? And do I have to start going through my whole Bowie collection looking for more of these? At 8:39 AM -0500 12/14/02, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves Stewart C. Russell and whispered: >drew wrote: >> >> I always read it as implying a request for confirmation >> that the speaker is following what you're saying Unlike, say, in New York, where people signify their understanding by interrupting you to tell you what you're saying. (At least according to my Lonely Planet "USA Phrasebook".) At 10:43 AM -0600 12/14/02, those funny voices I hear when no one else is around called themselves Jeffrey with 2 Fs Jeffrey and whispered: >And to bring this vaguely back on-topic, on a KCRW appearance with our man >Robyn, Grant Lee Phillips did an amusing bit in which he imitated William >S. Burroughs...reciting the lyrics to Bob Seger's "Night Moves"... Among the many things that were wonderful about their tour together, I've always been really taken with GLP's skill as an impressionist. Mike Jagger, a hilarious take on the Bee Gees, and, fuck, I can't recall at the moment, doesn't he imitate one of those grunge singers as well somewhere in there? Not to mention doing the announcer's voice for "JASON KEANE, Man Of Action!" - -- ======== We need love, expression, and truth. We must not allow ourselves to believe that we can fill the round hole of our spirit with the square peg of objective rationale. - Paul Eppinger At non effugies meos iambos - Gaius Valerius Catallus ("...but you won't get away from my poems.") "Moderation in all things, except Wild Turkey." - Evel Knievel ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 11:09:22 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Accents and impersonators >Working for Green Tortoise for lo these many years I've gotten exposed to a >lot of accents. I always took it that that funny questioning inflection was >strictly a regional thing; Northern British accents seem to do it, southern >accents don't, for example. (Although there are exceptions to this. I had a >friend from Manchester, I never realized how funny his accent was until >another Mancunian (sp?) showed up and I heard their slow, drawl-y >conversation. Impossible to reproduce over a text-based interface, but >utterly hilarious to this New Yorker.) There is one particular brand of Mancunian accent (typified on TV by one of the Coronation Street characters - Fred Elliott? I've never seen enough of the show to pick up names) that comes across as a north-of-England Foghorn Leghorn. Very peculiar. As for south of England, some London accents have a linguistic variant on the sound of upspeak - they simply end every sentence in a question. Sort of: Q: How do I get to Oxford Circus? A: Well you go up that road there, don't you? Q: And how about getting to Aotea Square? A: I wouldn't have a clue, would I? The northern New Zealand one is probably influenced by the Maori habit of ending every statement with "nei?", meaning "isn't it?", which has mutated over time into a Canadian-like "eh?". So now you know - Canadians must've been originally Maori, eh? On the subject of confusing singers, I had a great deal of trouble confusing the voices of two of the Bangles (Vicki anhd Debbi, IIRC). How about the Proclaimers? :) >I always love how there's ONE line in Brian Eno's "Dead Finks Don't >Talk" where he does a spot-on perfect impression of ex-bandmate Bryan >Ferry. "'Til you find your way back here"...the lyric's something >like that. What about Eno's David Byrne impersonation on the anagrammatically titled "King's Lead Hat"? >There's a cover of "Beauty and the Beast" recorded (if I recall) live in >studio by the L*ud F*mily, which features two dead-on impersonations. One: >before the tune proper, Sc*tt M*ller does Eno singing "My my my..." from >"The Paw-Paw Negro Blowtorch" (he does the next line also, but not as >well...). believe it or not, Icehouse's Iva Davies does a spot-on vocal impersonation of former producer Eno on their version of "Driving me backwards". He also does a reasonable job on Icehouse's cover of "Blank Frank" (they seem to do loads of Eno covers as b-sides. Also, if the "Berlin Tapes" album is anything to go by, they have great taste in music. Shame about most of their originals). >Wow is right. As intimate as I've been with both songs for what, 23 >years, I never made the connection. The question is why this wasn't in >the press circa '79? Or was it? Back then I read everything I could >get my hands on, but maybe I missed it. Anyone else know about this? well, a friend of mine told me about it in about '81, so I suppose it must have been, but probably not very loudly. One thing I'd NOT noticed before - I recently played some Eno to a friend. When he heard "Blank Frank" he said "that is the weirdest use of a Bo Diddley beat I've ever heard!". I'd never spotted that it was one, but he was right! James James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 10:15:03 -0500 From: Scott Hunter McCleary Subject: Cancellations/ratings (0% RH) > And what was with TNT and the Sci-Fi Network cancelling their shows with > the biggest ratings and most acclaim, anyway? I absolutely LOVED Farscape, and was majorly bummed when it was cancelled. From what I understand, it was a case of high-cost quality vs small audience (plus, all the planets looked like Australia ;-)). The show justs cost too damn much to justify the audience share. I think there are nine more shows in the can (which SciFi is rather shamelessly including in its new season promos), but that's it. They started chainsawing the sets the day after they announced the cancellation. It was a pet project of the woman who ran SciFi, but when she was sidelined, the show's balance sheet lacked a champion. There was a fan-based drive to try to get the show back on the air someplace (including several rather unfocused spots on CNN's entertainment segment -- in which Ben Browder came across as just plain goofy), but with that few fans.... Scott - -- ========= SH McCleary Prodigal Dog Communications PO Box 6163 Arlington, VA 22206 shmac@prodigaldog.com www.prodigaldog.com www.1480kHz.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 15 Dec 2002 17:50:00 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: reap Zal Yanovsky (of the Lovin' Spoonful, and latterly owner of the wonderful Chez Piggy's restaurant in Kingston, ON), 58. ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #423 ********************************