From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #418 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Tuesday, December 10 2002 Volume 11 : Number 418 Today's Subjects: ----------------- don't entertain me twice [Miles Goosens ] Can of Bees ["Butterworth, Scott" ] top 9 update [drew ] FWIW [Eb ] Christmas in Feguary ["Rex.Broome" ] Re: FWIW ["Maximilian Lang" ] Snappy heading(no, not a ref to getting naked with Pat;-) ["Maurer Rose,] Re: Christmas in Feguary [Tom Clark ] january soft boys gigs [dances with virgos ] Re: january soft boys gigs ["Charlotte Tupman" ] Re: january soft boys gigs ["matt sewell" ] Re: january soft boys gigs [Michael R Godwin ] Interpol [Miles Goosens ] diary: who moved my cheese alarm? ["Stewart C. Russell" ] Re: Christmas in Feguary [Ken Weingold ] Re: Interpol [Eb ] Hootsville, dude ["Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" ] Re: Interpol [Miles Goosens ] Re: Hootsville, dude [Miles Goosens ] Re: Interpol [Eb ] Re: Interpol [Miles Goosens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 16:03:28 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: don't entertain me twice Sorry about the dual posting earlier today. It wasn't my goof -- apparently the new dial-up number for Earthlink/Mindspring in Nashville was having trouble interacting with mail.mindspring.com, so the first time I sent the message, the Eudora "send" queue timed out with the "send" bar at 90%, leaving the message status as "queued." But apparently 90% was really 100%, since the message went through twice. At least it was an appropriate thread for such an occurrence. A couple of recent Feglist threads: Eb, picking up on something Rex said about YHF: >>>How did you feel about the labored "ragged" crap on *every* track? Honestly, I didn't hear it that way -- not the beginning of "I Am Trying To Break Your Heart," and not the rest of the album either. It seemed pretty obvious to me that the intro to "I Am Trying To Break Your Heart," as well as most of the other stuff on the album, was written rather than meant to sound improvised. As I think I said (perhaps on Loud-Fans rather than here), my biggest worry with YHF wasn't with the album itself, which I think is superlative, but with its reception among astute music fans, because to the enormous critical buildup that made the album sound like it was the most fractured, experimental, strange thing ever recorded. But it's not. It's really a more fragile, noisy version of SUMMERTEETH. It's not "Tweedy Sings Einsturzende Neubauten," it's not METAL MACHINE MUSIC, it's not TROUT MASK REPLICA, and it's not trying to be those things. But in this rarified context, the well-read listener might pick it up expecting something earth-shatteringly different, and that's such a horribly misleading expectation. Anyone who owns A CAN OF BEES has heard stuff that's far more "off" than YHF. And hearing these reactions from Eb and Rex only confirms my fears. Blame the critics, not the band, sez I. Did you like "Sunken Treasure"? Did you like "She's a Jar"? Did you like "Via Chicago"? It's that kind of thing, so if you're expecting skronky noisefest, you'd best buy something else. If I were doing a YHF review for publication, I would have said just that. Eb continues in a later missive: > I feel like some of the >album's "rave" reviews also fail this test. It's just so darn COOL to >dig this disc! See, I totally agree with this part, even though I'm crazy about the album. I *hate* bandwagons and groupcritthink, and I think the YHF buzz has exactly these problems. Eb's complaint is spot-on. This reminds me of this local film critic who wrote for the daily paper -- he'd give four out of four stars to certain art-house movies even though his review indicated that he had no freakin' idea what the movies were about. I'm not talking *interpretive* problems, I'm talking getting basic things about the characters and stories wrong. He couldn't even seem to understand HOWARD'S END, let alone ERASERHEAD. I would have respected him more if he had given those movies one star, said "I don't understand what anyone sees in this gobbledygook," and gone on to rave about A FEW GOOD MEN. At least he would have been honest. Drew on Suede: >the Suede is flimsy in the >way they all are, and totally insidious in the way they all >are) I don't have the new Suede, but that statement is so totally apt. I suspect that Drew and I might differ on particular favorite Suede tracks, but this perfectly captures the band in a way that me saying "shallow but hooky" just doesn't convey. Maybe that's why I like them at their most out-and-out glam ("Animal Nitrate," HEAD MUSIC) vs. their most wannabe-meaningful (most of DOG MAN STAR). later, Miles (hopefully only once this time) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 16:56:28 -0500 From: "Butterworth, Scott" Subject: Can of Bees Hello All, My question is about the CD releases of Can of Bees. I have the 'Two Crabs' pressing and there is no information about where all of the bonus tracks come from. Is this information online somewhere, or can someone give me a clue? I've got a friend who likes UM, but doesn't like CoB. He says that it's all too much. I think that if he were to hear just the album, then understand where the bonus tracks came from he would like it better. I want to give him the lowdown on what the original album was and where the rest of the stuff came from. Thanks for any info, Scott ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:01:30 -0800 (PST) From: drew Subject: top 9 update Hmm...I'm listening to _Lost In Space_ again right now and I might be up for kicking it up a notch or two (or three). It's the first time I've heard it on headphones in a while (I prefer playing it in the car just so I can sing along), and I'm really loving it. - -- drew at stormgreen dot com http://www.stormgreen.com/~drew/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:29:28 -0800 From: Eb Subject: FWIW My five favorite concerts of the year: 1. Cornelius, El Rey Theater 2. Sonic Youth, Sunset Junction 3. Guided by Voices, House of Blues (Anaheim) 4. Super Furry Animals, The Palace 5. The Kingsbury Manx, Blue Cafe I missed plenty of potentially good ones though, including Queens of the Stone Age, Paul McCartney, the Rolling Stones, Beck/Flaming Lips, this week's Peter Gabriel dates (unless something miraculous happens), Interpol (discovered this band too late, I'm afraid), Hot Hot Heat (ditto), Elvis Costello, Springsteen/E Street Band, the reunited Camper Van Beethoven, Badly Drawn Boy, Sigur Ros and Sleater-Kinney. And the worst five (sorry, Lawndart): 1. Quazar & the Bamboozled, Knitting Factory (opening for the Wondermints) 2. Extreme Elvis, Viper Room (opening for the Butthole Surfers) 3. Eric Burdon & "The Animals" [sic], Viper Room (last night) 4. Hope Sandoval & the Warm Inventions, El Rey Theater 5. Jimmy Gnecco (of Ours), Viper Room Eb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 15:39:50 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Christmas in Feguary Drew: >>8. Clinic, _Walking With Thee_ Drew, how would you describe this as a whole album? I heard a radio session with them a good while back and really liked the Wire/Modern Lovers/garage/lo-fi-new-wave sound-- I thought it much more original than most of the other "garage-revival" acts-- but a lot of people have told me it gets a little tiresome as an LP, and I only found out about their somewhat off-putting surgical outfit dressup schtick later. _______ Eb: >>Amoeba costs too much, damn it.... Amen to that, brotha. A few of my casual acquaintances love the place, but me and my closest music-head mates have more or less boycotted it due to the overpricing; the filing is also a little too micro-managed for my tastes. I used to hit the Bay Area stores about twice yearly and love them-- don't remember the pricing being as inflated, but maybe I just relished the size and differences in the selection between there and yr average LA used shop. Tonight I'm going out with two of my best friends for our 13th Annual Low-Budget Used Music Christmas Gift exchange (early to compensate for my probable childbirth commitments late this month). This now ranks as the single longest-running unbroken annual tradition in my young life, but so it goes... anyhow, I may pick up a few missed Top 10 contenders. We haven't decided where to shop yet but we did cross Amoeba off the list... ___ Jeff D: >>nearly identical boxes from the same company (can't remember what, but >>it was a fairly generic, Jiffy sort of product equivolent) sitting >>right next to each other: Cornbread mix and Corn Muffin Mix. Kinda like the identical products by the same manufacturer (Nissin) sold on the East Coast as "Oodles of Noodles" and on the West Coast as "Top Ramen", each with tiny sub-logos of the opposite coast's product title? Always mystifying. Presumably they deduced that West Coasters, living on the Pacific Rim as they do, could handle the exotic oriental term "ramen" whereas Easterners could but run away in xenophobic terror. - -Rex "a college budget will cause you to look at ramen packaging more closely than is healthy" Broome ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 20:10:45 -0500 From: "Maximilian Lang" Subject: Re: FWIW >From: Eb >Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 14:29:28 -0800 > >My five favorite concerts of the year: > >1. Cornelius, El Rey Theater >2. Sonic Youth, Sunset Junction >3. Guided by Voices, House of Blues (Anaheim) >4. Super Furry Animals, The Palace >5. The Kingsbury Manx, Blue Cafe I have seen roughly 25 shows this year, here are my top ten, five would be too tough: 1. "Love" with Arthur Lee, North Star Bar 2. The Soft Boys, Maxwell's 2. Paul McCartney, F.U. Center and Boardwalk Hall (TIE) 3. Luna, Maxwell's 4. Brian Wilson, Theatre Of Living Arts 5. Robyn Hitchcock, Bottom Line 6. Peter Gabriel, F.U. Center 7. Yo La Tengo, Maxwell's 8. Chameleons UK, Pontiac Grille 9. Sonic Youth,The Trocadero 10. Horton Heat,North Star Bar(maybe the most obnoxious crowd I have ever had the displeasure of being in) Honarable mention: The other 3 Luna shows I saw this year Mr. Show Hurray For America - Electric Factory Bob Dylan - F.U. Center Max _________________________________________________________________ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 01:41:55 +0000 From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" Subject: Snappy heading(no, not a ref to getting naked with Pat;-) 1) If anyone wants to see clunky, unappealing web-design please view my library's new web-page. How does shit like this happen? (Dont ask me. Nobody tells us anything): www.library.phila.gov - ----------------------- 2) Tracy Ullman is perhaps the funniest human on earth. Why does the earth take no notice of this fact? - --------------------- 3) Robyn's doing relevant alternative history. Cool. - -------------------- 4)Steve: >Locked in a room with Pat Robertson. Now thats -cruel-! - --------------------- 5)Rex: >The question is whether you end up naked while surfing the web... Only when locked in a room with Pat Robertson. Its the only way to get him to shut up. - ------------------------ Drew, I have meant and meant to get "Lost in Space." From what your saying, sounds like my have meant needs to become have got. - ------------------ Kay _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 17:49:15 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Re: Christmas in Feguary on 12/9/02 3:39 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > Kinda like the identical products by the same manufacturer (Nissin) sold on > the East Coast as "Oodles of Noodles" and on the West Coast as "Top Ramen", > each with tiny sub-logos of the opposite coast's product title? Always > mystifying. Presumably they deduced that West Coasters, living on the > Pacific Rim as they do, could handle the exotic oriental term "ramen" > whereas Easterners could but run away in xenophobic terror. As an authentic white guy, I can comment on this with regard to mayonnaise. East of the Rockies: Hellman's, west of the Rockies: Best Foods. Same exact packaging, same ad jingle, just replace the words. Do you suppose west coasters would shiver at something named Hellman's? I dunno. - -tc ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 22:15:11 -0500 From: dances with virgos Subject: january soft boys gigs from thesoftboys.com, filling out a couple other dates that we already knew about: Italy: Thursday, Jan 16 - Sarzana, Jux Tap Friday, Jan 17 - Biella, Babylonia Saturday, Jan 18 - Chiari, Teatro Toscanini Monday, Jan 20 - Bologna, Ruvido Club Ireland: Wednesday, Jan 22 - Dublin, Music Centre Thursday, Jan 23 - Cork, Triskell Arts Centre UK: Sunday, Jan 26 - Brighton, Concorde 2 Monday, Jan 27 - Bristol, Fleece & Firkin Tuesday, Jan 28 - Oxford, The Zodiac Wednesday, Jan 29 - Cambridge, The Boat Race Thursday, Jan 30 - Manchester, Life woj ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:34:41 +0000 From: "Charlotte Tupman" Subject: Re: january soft boys gigs I think www.thesoftboys.com has got the Brighton and Bristol dates muddled up - the Bristol date is, as far as I know, on Sunday 26th January, not Monday 27th. The Fleece & Firkin seem to think so anyway! Charlotte >From: dances with virgos >Reply-To: dances with virgos >To: the big Ebowski , fegmaniax-announce@smoe.org, >robynhitchcockclub@yahoogroups.com, robynhitchcock@egroups.com, >vegetablefriends@yahoogroups.com >Subject: january soft boys gigs >Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 22:15:11 -0500 > >from thesoftboys.com, filling out a couple other dates that we already knew >about: > >Italy: >Thursday, Jan 16 - Sarzana, Jux Tap >Friday, Jan 17 - Biella, Babylonia >Saturday, Jan 18 - Chiari, Teatro Toscanini >Monday, Jan 20 - Bologna, Ruvido Club > >Ireland: >Wednesday, Jan 22 - Dublin, Music Centre >Thursday, Jan 23 - Cork, Triskell Arts Centre > >UK: >Sunday, Jan 26 - Brighton, Concorde 2 >Monday, Jan 27 - Bristol, Fleece & Firkin >Tuesday, Jan 28 - Oxford, The Zodiac >Wednesday, Jan 29 - Cambridge, The Boat Race >Thursday, Jan 30 - Manchester, Life > >woj _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:03:10 +0000 From: "matt sewell" Subject: Re: january soft boys gigs Curiouser and curiouser - the Oxford Zodiac site has the Soft Boys appearing on the 27th... this is good news as I had a gig booked for the 28th... So, Bristol 26th, Oxford 27th... Cheers Matt >From: "Charlotte Tupman" >Reply-To: "Charlotte Tupman" >To: fegmaniax@smoe.org >Subject: Re: january soft boys gigs >Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 11:34:41 +0000 > >I think www.thesoftboys.com has got the Brighton and Bristol dates >muddled up - the Bristol date is, as far as I know, on Sunday 26th >January, not Monday 27th. The Fleece & Firkin seem to think so >anyway! > >Charlotte > > > > >>From: dances with virgos >>Reply-To: dances with virgos >>To: the big Ebowski , >>fegmaniax-announce@smoe.org, robynhitchcockclub@yahoogroups.com, >>robynhitchcock@egroups.com, vegetablefriends@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: january soft boys gigs >>Date: Mon, 09 Dec 2002 22:15:11 -0500 >> >>from thesoftboys.com, filling out a couple other dates that we >>already knew about: >> >>Italy: >>Thursday, Jan 16 - Sarzana, Jux Tap >>Friday, Jan 17 - - Biella, Babylonia >>Saturday, Jan 18 - Chiari, Teatro Toscanini >>Monday, Jan 20 - Bologna, Ruvido Club >> >>Ireland: >>Wednesday, Jan 22 - - Dublin, Music Centre >>Thursday, Jan 23 - Cork, Triskell Arts Centre >> >>UK: >>Sunday, Jan 26 - Brighton, Concorde 2 >>Monday, Jan 27 - Bristol, Fleece & Firkin >>Tuesday, Jan 28 - Oxford, The Zodiac >>Wednesday, Jan 29 - Cambridge, The Boat Race >>Thursday, Jan 30 - Manchester, Life >> >>woj > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:35:55 +0000 (GMT) From: Michael R Godwin Subject: Re: january soft boys gigs On Mon, 9 Dec 2002, dances with virgos wrote: > UK: > Sunday, Jan 26 - Brighton, Concorde 2 > Monday, Jan 27 - Bristol, Fleece & Firkin > Tuesday, Jan 28 - Oxford, The Zodiac > Wednesday, Jan 29 - Cambridge, The Boat Race > Thursday, Jan 30 - Manchester, Life Something inconsistent going on here. The Fleece and Firkin list the Soft Boys for Sunday 26th: - - MRG ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 09:18:27 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Interpol I finally got TURN ON THE BRIGHT LIGHTS on Saturday, and gave it a listen yesterday evening and this morning. I like it. But the Joy Division Joy Division Joy Division mantra from the press is misleading -- somewhat retro, yes, but this record sounds a lot more like the stuff I was listening to in 1988-92 than it sounds like the Joy Division / Teardrop Explodes / Cure / U2 era. Whoever said "shoegazery" is far closer to the mark. Interpol doesn't have the giant wash of guitars that usually characterized the shoegazer bands, but the writing style, vocal intonations, and propulsiveness are all pretty consonant with that time and sound. In fact, several of the tracks had me thinking of my favorite group from that era, Kitchens of Distinction, especially in the vocal style and the song structures. Interpol doesn't have the shimmering, resplendent, utterly gorgeous guitar sound of KoD (if I could *be* a sound, I would probably pick that sound), but who does? Maybe this is the music that I thought would be next in the '90s but never was. Anyway, 'twas 8.99 + tax well spent, and I look forward to many more listens. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:18:56 -0500 From: "Stewart C. Russell" Subject: diary: who moved my cheese alarm? Apt that the amazon book link at the end of Robyn's Tuesday entry pertains to cheese. His section on not getting the picture of the husky on the digicam is pure comic genius. Stewart ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 10:33:11 -0800 From: "Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc)" Subject: RE: Christmas in Feguary - -----Original Message----- From: Tom Clark [mailto:tclark@mac.com] on 12/9/02 3:39 PM, Rex.Broome at Rex.Broome@preferredmedia.com wrote: > > Kinda like the identical products by the same manufacturer (Nissin) sold > on > > the East Coast as "Oodles of Noodles" and on the West Coast as "Top > Ramen", > > each with tiny sub-logos of the opposite coast's product title? Always > > mystifying. Presumably they deduced that West Coasters, living on the > > Pacific Rim as they do, could handle the exotic oriental term "ramen" > > whereas Easterners could but run away in xenophobic terror. > > As an authentic white guy, I can comment on this with regard to > mayonnaise. East of the Rockies: Hellman's, west of the Rockies: Best > Foods. Same exact packaging, same ad jingle, just replace the words. Do > you suppose west coasters would shiver at something named Hellman's? I > dunno. As an authentic fat guy, I can comment on this with regard to ice cream. Out east its Edy's brand and out west its Dreyer's brand. Which gets confusing because out west also have Breyers out west which is known as Good Humor back East. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 13:04:51 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: RE: Christmas in Feguary At 10:33 AM 12/10/2002 -0800, Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: >As an authentic fat guy, I can comment on this with regard to ice cream. >Out east its Edy's brand and out west its Dreyer's brand. Which gets >confusing because out west also have Breyers out west which is known as >Good Humor back East. Hm, here in Nashville we have both Edy's and Breyers, and also some Good Humor products (GH being more along the lines of "treats" on a stick rather than big boxes and tubs o' cream). So it is the Third Coast after all... It is only Hellman's here, for you mayo fans. Shouldn't the food threads all be on Loud-Fans? later, Miles, still mourning the passing of the Mayfield Cherry Brown Cow, the ultimate frozen treat ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:16:37 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Christmas in Feguary On Tue, Dec 10, 2002, Jason Brown (Echo Services Inc) wrote: > As an authentic fat guy, I can comment on this with regard to ice cream. > Out east its Edy's brand and out west its Dreyer's brand. Which gets > confusing because out west also have Breyers out west which is known as > Good Humor back East. We have both here in the Northeast. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:00:53 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Interpol >I like it. But the Joy Division Joy Division Joy Division mantra >from the press is misleading -- somewhat retro, yes, but this record >sounds a lot more like the stuff I was listening to in 1988-92 than >it sounds like the Joy Division / Teardrop Explodes / Cure / U2 era. >Whoever said "shoegazery" is far closer to the mark. Interpol >doesn't have the giant wash of guitars that usually characterized >the shoegazer bands, but the writing style, vocal intonations, and >propulsiveness are all pretty consonant with that time and sound. I don't agree with that. "Shoegazery" is mostly about guitar strums being flanged and amplified in strange ways, and Interpol's guitars are very much about "picking." Also, shoegaze bands tend to have vocals which are wispy and emotionally vacant, whereas the Interpol singer's style is much more stern and "commanding" in sort of a gothic Peter Murphy/Ian Curtis mode. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 19:57:19 +0000 From: "Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome" Subject: Hootsville, dude I was wondering, what current comedians do Fegs like and why? With pre-Christmas stress coming on I could use a few nice mean and raucus jollies. Also any funny webpages? Or funny, smutty, angry webpages or just plain wacked ones? You know, stuff to help an overburdened, bridge-generation, tapped-out, working mom -really- get in the proper mood for Christmas. Robyn's Slate diary today is less political. As someone who can't follow directions and is routinely baffled by the inscrutable powers of machines, like dude, I identified. Nice bit bout how he has to use his imagination to figure stuff out. Kay If God had wanted us to listen, She'd have made us all into therapists Robyn Hitchcock _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 15:07:59 -0500 From: Ken Weingold Subject: Re: Hootsville, dude On Tue, Dec 10, 2002, Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome wrote: > I was wondering, what current comedians do Fegs like and why? With > pre-Christmas stress coming on I could use a few nice mean and raucus > jollies. Also any funny webpages? Or funny, smutty, angry webpages or just > plain wacked ones? You know, stuff to help an overburdened, > bridge-generation, tapped-out, working mom -really- get in the proper mood > for Christmas. Eddie Izzard. IMO one of the most brilliant comedians ever. And his Dress To Kill video was just released on DVD. Highly recommended. And I got to meet him last week in NY. Super nice guy. - -Ken ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:14:12 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Interpol At 12:00 PM 12/10/2002 -0800, Eb wrote: >>I like it. But the Joy Division Joy Division Joy Division mantra >>from the press is misleading -- somewhat retro, yes, but this record >>sounds a lot more like the stuff I was listening to in 1988-92 than >>it sounds like the Joy Division / Teardrop Explodes / Cure / U2 era. >>Whoever said "shoegazery" is far closer to the mark. Interpol >>doesn't have the giant wash of guitars that usually characterized >>the shoegazer bands, but the writing style, vocal intonations, and >>propulsiveness are all pretty consonant with that time and sound. > >I don't agree with that. "Shoegazery" is mostly about guitar strums >being flanged and amplified in strange ways, and Interpol's guitars >are very much about "picking." Hence me saying "doesn't have the giant wash of guitars." >Also, shoegaze bands tend to have >vocals which are wispy and emotionally vacant, whereas the Interpol >singer's style is much more stern and "commanding" in sort of a >gothic Peter Murphy/Ian Curtis mode. Or maybe this just points out the vacuousness of labels, since the "shoegazer" band I chose to cite as the closest Interpol parallel, Kitchens of Distinction, also sported a strong, commanding vocalist, one without much of the ethereal "wispyness" you're talking about. On Loud-Fans, Jeff Norman and I have also bandied about the Blue Nile as another group that Interpol sometimes resembles. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:22:08 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Hootsville, dude At 07:57 PM 12/10/2002 +0000, Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome wrote: >I was wondering, what current comedians do Fegs like and why? With >pre-Christmas stress coming on I could use a few nice mean and raucus >jollies. Also any funny webpages? Or funny, smutty, angry webpages or just >plain wacked ones? You know, stuff to help an overburdened, >bridge-generation, tapped-out, working mom -really- get in the proper mood >for Christmas. Mitch Hedberg is a comedian I've enjoyed a lot recently (including catching a live performance of his a couple of months ago; he's maybe the third comedian we've ever been motivated to see live). The "stoner Steve Wright" angle gets overworked, but it also conveys the nature of his comedy more quickly than any other three words will. A lot of the humor is in the unique cadence of his speech -- it's often not just what he says, but how he says it. He reminds me a lot of some of the kids I grew up with who were underestimated by teachers and their peers, but who were really smart deadly funny if you bothered to actually get to know them. I laughed so hard I cried at the live show, as well as the show he did for Comedy Central. http://www.mitchhedberg.net should have some samples... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 12:22:23 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Re: Interpol > >I don't agree with that. "Shoegazery" is mostly about guitar strums >>being flanged and amplified in strange ways, and Interpol's guitars >>are very much about "picking." > >Hence me saying "doesn't have the giant wash of guitars." And what is shoegazing, beyond a giant wash of guitars? >Or maybe this just points out the vacuousness of labels, since the >"shoegazer" band I chose to cite as the closest Interpol parallel, >Kitchens of Distinction, also sported a strong, commanding vocalist, >one without much of the ethereal "wispyness" you're talking about. But the Kitchens of Distinction were barely on the outskirts of the shoegaze world, anyway. Hell, The Death of Cool reminded me as much of *Husker Du* as of shoegaze.... >On Loud-Fans, Jeff Norman and I have also bandied about the Blue >Nile as another group that Interpol sometimes resembles. Wow. Um, ok.... Eb ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 10 Dec 2002 14:37:40 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: Re: Interpol At 12:22 PM 12/10/2002 -0800, Eb wrote: >> >I don't agree with that. "Shoegazery" is mostly about guitar strums >>>being flanged and amplified in strange ways, and Interpol's guitars >>>are very much about "picking." >> >>Hence me saying "doesn't have the giant wash of guitars." > >And what is shoegazing, beyond a giant wash of guitars? I'd say that the rhythms had a lot to do with it, as the propulsive, hypnotic counterpoint/compliment to the giant wash of guitars. Interpol has that rhythm and low-end approach, almost exactly. It's sort of analogous to how DARKLANDS was PSYCHOCANDY without the wall of noise. >>Or maybe this just points out the vacuousness of labels, since the >>"shoegazer" band I chose to cite as the closest Interpol parallel, >>Kitchens of Distinction, also sported a strong, commanding vocalist, >>one without much of the ethereal "wispyness" you're talking about. > >But the Kitchens of Distinction were barely on the outskirts of the >shoegaze world, anyway. Hell, The Death of Cool reminded me as much >of *Husker Du* as of shoegaze.... Boy, I don't see that one. I always thought that filing KoD under the "shoegaze" label had more to do with chronology and location than with actual sound, but on the other hand, they fit better there than elsewhere. >>On Loud-Fans, Jeff Norman and I have also bandied about the Blue >>Nile as another group that Interpol sometimes resembles. > >Wow. Um, ok.... You don't hear that on "NYC"? I'm not saying it's there on every track, but there are some that bear a definite resemblance to the Blue Nile. Heck, there's even some Blue Nile resonance in the album title... later, Miles ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #418 ********************************