From: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org (fegmaniax-digest) To: fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Subject: fegmaniax-digest V11 #415 Reply-To: fegmaniax@smoe.org Sender: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-fegmaniax-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk fegmaniax-digest Saturday, December 7 2002 Volume 11 : Number 415 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Zaireeka [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Re: spanked or burnt? [grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan)] Wilco in SF in 2003 [Tom Clark ] Revised pick for "Song Title of the Year" (0% Scott Miller Conten t) ["Re] Wilco [Eb ] Re: Flaming Lists [Caroline Smith ] Re: c'mon Eb - out with it! [HSatterfld@aol.com] Re: brilliant, brilliant, wheres the right list? [rosso@videotron.ca] Thingy Thingy Thingy -- Blah Blah Blah [Jeff Dwarf ] "Gotta Let This Hen Out" dvd [Dominic ] Re: "Gotta Let This Hen Out" dvd [Perry Amberson ] Two in a year [Eb ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 10:55:22 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Zaireeka A webpage that may answer some of those long-held questions about Zaireeka is: JAmes James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 11:10:48 +1300 From: grutness@surf4nix.com (James Dignan) Subject: Re: spanked or burnt? Kay esoterically warbled: >Apologies alla round. Me idiot. compared to proggie beat-counting, politics, and simul-play CD releases, this came as an oasis of weird, and was a delight because of it. James PS - a warm welcome to both Caroline and Charlotte! James Dignan, Dunedin, New Zealand. =-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= .-=-.-=-.-=-.- .-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-. -.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-= You talk to me as if from a distance =-.-=-. And I reply with impressions chosen from another time -=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=-.-=- (Brian Eno - "By this River") ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 14:26:27 -0800 From: Tom Clark Subject: Wilco in SF in 2003 FYI. - -tc - ------ Forwarded Message - --- Wilco World wrote: > Some news: first, for those of you on the west > coast, Wilco are doing a one-off > show at the oh-so-beautiful and intimate Great > American Music Hall in San > Francisco on January 12.? > > This will be part of a brief stopover on our way out > to New > Zealand/Australia/Japan.? As a special thanks to > Wilco fans and wilcoworld > supporters, all 600 tickets will be sold via the web > and the only people who are > going to know about it are the people receiving this > email (and of course, your > friends). > > Tickets will go on sale Monday 9 December at 10am > pacific time. There will be a > 4 ticket per person limit. You can get there, by > going to: > . - ------ End of Forwarded Message ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 15:54:43 -0800 From: "Rex.Broome" Subject: Revised pick for "Song Title of the Year" (0% Scott Miller Conten t) Kay: >>Fuck! I did it again. If Britney Spears had released this as a single, it woulda topped my list for the year. >>is the Internet like being drunk? Yep, and both are like being a kid in a way. I think a lot of the appeal of mind-altering substances in general has to do with reclaiming a sort of childish openness... "avant-garde-ness" in a kind of literal sense. Maybe. I dunno. I'm drunk. Eb on Wilco's YHF: >>How did you feel about the labored "ragged" crap on *every* track? To be honest, I'm really glad you've got it in for the sacred cow that album has become. I don't hate it (it IS on my top 10) but I agree it's far from the masterpiece everyone thinks it is. I think that if Wilco hadn't become the poster-children for being reamed by bottom-line-hungry record labels (and somehow parlayed that into major sales), YHF would be seen as an awkward transitional record, and the next Wilco album might've been great. Now it's viewed as an end in itself. "Tonight's the Night" it ain't. But it has good songs and often a good feel. I think my particular beef against the intro to "I Am Trying to Break Your Heart" stems from (A) overexposure and the fact that it's the first track, and (B) the fact that when I saw them live they duplicated it note for note. Apropos to out recent discussion of "template" songs, I think that one would be better off as a template song in live performance. That stuff at the beginning (and throughout the song) sounds like it's supposed to be off-the-cuff, wasted, and studio-bound (it sounds to me like it's meant to evoke Big Star's "Kanga Roo") but if you're gonna duplicate it in a live setting, you're kind of giving the game away, aren't you? _________ GSS: >>What is the similarity between a jew, a homosexual and an attorney? damn, >>that sounds like the opening line to a bad joke. Oooh, I got one. Three guys walk into a bar: a priest, a homosexual, and a pedophile. The second guy's an attorney and the last guy's a Jew. (Or something like that. Come on, that's tame after the suicide joke.) __________ Drew: >>I really really hated "Race for the Prize" too. It's not so much the lyrics of either >>as the music, which is all nails-on-a-chalkboard queasy wobbly to me. Heh. Here we go again. I love the music to that one. It has a real rushing, soaring feel to it, great for an album lead-off track. It also seemed instantly familiar to me the first time I heard it, like it had been a rare song that I liked when I heard it on AM radio as a child but had completely forgotten about. >>I don't do year-end top tens, as I say every year, because I just don't hear enough >>of the albums to makeany kind of broad assessment. I buy what I like first (etc.) Well, that's all my lists are based on-- stuff I like. I could give a crap about which records were "important" or "milestones" or "classics", because what the hell does that mean anyway? (Insert any of my canned screeds against "rock orthodoxy" here.) My list included *two* albums of covers, two records available *only* over the internet or at concerts, and one record that probably very few people outside of LA paid any attention to. Maybe four of them would be common to critical lists of "important" records, but I could care less what they "mean" to the "post-9/11 gestahlt" or what they "say" about the "abysmal state of the record industry" or whatever other overly-earnest importance is gonna be attached to them. What they say to me personally is what earns them spots on my list. But Drew, I do agree with you that it was a pretty slim year in that some of the records on my list would not have made it on there in an average year. I thought things were going well when the SY and S-K releases came out so close together with so many other promising releases in the wings, but it just didn't come together in the end. Oh well. - -Rex, admittedly sad that there was no big important Radiohead release for me to leave off my list this year ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 16:06:38 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Wilco >I think that if Wilco hadn't become >the poster-children for being reamed by bottom-line-hungry record labels >(and somehow parlayed that into major sales), YHF would be seen as an >awkward transitional record, and the next Wilco album might've been great. I feel like I could easily blather 300-400 words about the troubled history of the Wilco album, its heroic resurrection by Nonesuch, how it warps traditional song forms with extraneous noise/introductions/denouements/muted-singing...but none of it would indicate that I actually LIKE the album. I feel like some of the album's "rave" reviews also fail this test. It's just so darn COOL to dig this disc! >Now it's viewed as an end in itself. "Tonight's the Night" it ain't. My feeling has always been "Big Star's Third, it ain't." Because to me, this is clearly what Wilco was shooting for. Eb ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 20:47:58 -0500 From: Caroline Smith Subject: Re: Flaming Lists On Friday, December 6, 2002, at 03:06 PM, Michael Wells wrote: > > Sans comments, pithy or otherwise, ten discs from 2002 in rough order: Ok, I'm working on my list. Any one want to dare start a top ten reads of 2002? I'm looking forward to reading Shakey, Neil Young's biography. Also, anyone got any crafty ideas for decorating Christmas trees? I found some really cute little red and white mushrooms at Ikea. They'll do, but I'm afraid the tree will look a little sparse. uh, maybe contact me off-list. Caroline ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2002 22:33:52 EST From: HSatterfld@aol.com Subject: Re: c'mon Eb - out with it! >Major disappointments: Peter Gabriel (wince), Sigur Ros, the >Breeders, Tanya Donelly, Marianne Faithfull, Lambchop, "I am Sam"... I have to agree with Amazon's more positive assessment of Lambchop's "Is A Woman". I had never heard of the band before, I bought the UK version of this CD in order to obtain the nice acoustic (!) cover of the Sisters of Mercy tune "This Corrosion" and found that I enjoyed the entire CD a lot. I buy a _lot_ of CDs, mostly second hand, but I have not heard most of the albums listed here. Also, I have not made a complete list because my Christmas stocking will be full of CDs, including "Nextdoorland". But my list would also include - - Concrete Blonde "Group Therapy" - - Lynn Miles "Unravel" - - Rilo Kiley "The Execution of All Things" (although it has the year's ugliest cover) - - Tapping the Vein "The Damage" I would add the Blake Babies' "Epilogue EP" if it weren't so short. The CD I listened to the most this year was probably 2001's "Believer" by Laura Dawn, it is loud and clever enough for repeated highway listening. I am the second oldest person on the planet to admit to enjoying the new Eminem CD, Stephen King being the oldest. Marilyn Manson wishes he were this funny. Hollie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 06 Dec 2002 20:55:52 -0500 From: rosso@videotron.ca Subject: Re: brilliant, brilliant, wheres the right list? On 6 Dec 2002 at 16:31, Maurer Rose, Inverse Nome wrote: > GLASH FLESH rocks and if I have to be burnt at the stake for Feg heresy(sure > I cant sell you guys on the spanking;-?) I would want my cries of agony to > blend in with its rough but tender tones. Buy it for someone you love. GFII held two major surprises for me. One was the quality of the entries in general. I was feeling pretty good about my own contribution until I began to hear other submissions as Bayard sent them to me for pre-mastering. By the time the tracklist was firming up I felt my little song was being buoyed up by the other cuts. The other surprise was that after literally hundreds of hours of listening to the songs under a sonic microscope -- sometimes a few seconds worth over and over for several nights -- I still find so much of it thoroughly enjoyable, except maybe that one by Joni Mitchell's Gay Brother Trying To Sound Important But The Lyrics Give Him Away. OK, let's be realistic -- most people don't want to hear even Robyn do Robyn, but for a fegmaniax member GFII would be a real treat. So treat yourself. Operators are standing by! - -- Danny Bonaduce ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 02:42:30 -0800 (PST) From: Jeff Dwarf Subject: Thingy Thingy Thingy -- Blah Blah Blah Paul and Yoko aren't playing nice...again! http://www.rollingstone.com/news/newsarticle.asp?afl=mail1&nid=17159 ===== "If we don't allow journalists, politicians, and every two-bit Joe Schmo with a cause to grandstand by using 9-11 as a lame rhetorical device, then the terrorists have already won." -- "Shredder" "To announce that there must be no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt . Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2002 06:25:36 -0500 From: Dominic Subject: "Gotta Let This Hen Out" dvd Hey ! I'm a relatively new RH fan and a relatively new dvd player owner...Now, I'm desperately looking for good dvds to buy...I came across the "Gotta Let This Hen Out" dvd...but at the pretty high price of 36$ Canadian...Is this dvd a live show ? Is it woth having ? I know most of you will tell me "Anything RH is worth having!" but, honestly, is this dvd worth the 36$ it's sold for ? Thanks for replying to me personnaly Dominic Montreal ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 05:20:00 -0800 (PST) From: Perry Amberson Subject: Re: "Gotta Let This Hen Out" dvd Hi, Dominic Let me be the first to chime in with an answer. Most of "Gotta Let This Hen Out!" was performed live at London's Marquee Club in 1985 by Robyn and the then-current lineup of the Egyptians--Soft Boy drummer Morris Windsor on drums, original Soft Boys bassist Andy Metcalfe, and keyboardist Roger Jackson. (Going from memory here, folks, so correct me if I'm wrong.) The disc is filled out with a couple of films Robyn directed for his songs "I Often Dream of Trains" and "The Man with the Lightbulb Head." The performances are excellent, though the visual style (lots of gimmicky fast cuts and intentional distortion) is not everyone's cup of tea--not even Robyn's, if memory serves. Still, the music is good enough to overcome the occasional visual distractions. If the $36 price you quoted is Canadian dollars, that's pretty reasonable, even if it is about twice as expensive as the usual music DVD. I believe all the copies of this title are manufactured in the UK, (though some are made for export with the US/Canadian NTSC video standard) hence the higher price. With the exchange rate, it works out to about what we Americans have to pay for it in US dollars. If you'd like a less expensive Robyn video, and one with visuals which do justice to the sound), the Canadian site HMV.com is selling Jonathan Demme's excellent Robyn concert film "Storefront Hitchcock" for $13.99 (Canadian). - --Perry _________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 07:04:22 -0800 (PST) From: Perry Amberson Subject: Re: folk theologian? >>> I think some of the similarities between these guys are fascinating and may be partially influenced by their reactions against extremely emotionally repressive christian childhoods. When the devil gets called Christ, the natural tendency is to call Christ the devil. <<< Despite its being posted accidentally, I very much enjoyed reading your e-mail. The last line (of the segment quoted above) was especially memorable. Being born in Alabama, I was "brought up" fundamentalist Baptist, the default mode around here. I had some serious resentment for many years, and I can certainly understand how being forcefed an overly strict set of rules in ones formative years can turn many people against belief of all kinds. As I've grown older, I've made my peace with Christianity and looked for whatever value I can find in it. It's never going to work for me as literal truth, but I can't help believing that the earth would be a much more desirable piece of property if more of the people who call themselves Christians actually modeled their behavior on that of Christ. "Christianity is the best religion. I would have become a Christian myself, but I have not found one true Christian." - Mohandas (Mahatma) Ghandi - --Perry ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 17:21:59 -0800 From: Eb Subject: Two in a year Today, I was considering that it's somewhat unusual that Tom Waits, Frank Black, Paul Westerberg and Badly Drawn Boy all released *two* worthwhile albums, this year. And in the first two cases, the albums even came out simultaneously. Then I was thinking about the *overall* best dual-releases-in-a-year, within the pop/rock genre. (It's so much easier to be prolific in jazz, so never mind that world.) Here was the chronological list I came up with, for my own all-time favorites. There are lots more examples of this, but I only picked the cream o' the crop. Once I narrowed the list down to the below, I had trouble cutting it any further. I'd be curious to see what others would add to this list -- your very favorites, not just *any* example. Where *both* albums are really high-quality. And please, no live albums or compilations! I'm talking about coming up with two new albums of fresh material, conceived in the time period immediately preceding the albums' release. Bob Dylan: Another Side of Bob Dylan, The Times They Are A-Changin' (1964) The Beatles: A Hard Day's Night, Beatles for Sale (1964) The Beatles: Help!, Rubber Soul (1965) The Rolling Stones: The Rolling Stones Now!, Out of Our Heads, 12 x 5, December's Children (And Everybody's) (1965) [four!] The Beach Boys: Summer Days (And Summer Nights!!), Today! (1965) The Byrds: Mr. Tambourine Man, Turn! Turn! Turn! (1965) Bob Dylan: Highway 61 Revisited, Bringing It All Back Home (1965) The Doors: The Doors, Strange Days (1967) The Beatles: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band, Magical Mystery Tour (1967) Traffic: Heaven is in Your Mind, Traffic (1968) The Kinks: Something Else, The Village Green Preservation Society (1968) The Byrds: Sweetheart of the Rodeo, The Notorious Byrd Brothers (1968) Jimi Hendrix: Axis: Bold as Love, Electric Ladyland (1968) Frank Zappa: We're Only in It for the Money, Lumpy Gravy, Cruising With Ruben & the Jets (1968) [three!] Frank Zappa: Uncle Meat, Hot Rats (1969) Creedence Clearwater Revival: Green River, Willy and the Poorboys (1969) Led Zeppelin: Led Zeppelin, Led Zeppelin II (1969) Fairport Convention: Fairport Convention, Unhalfbricking (1969) Van Morrison: Moondance, His Band and the Street Choir (1970) Stevie Wonder: Music of My Mind, Talking Book (1972) Roxy Music: For Your Pleasure, Stranded (1973) King Crimson: Starless and Bible Black, Red (1974) Bob Dylan: Blood on the Tracks, Desire (1975) David Bowie: Low, Heroes (1977) Pere Ubu: The Modern Dance, Dub Housing (1978) The dB's: Stands for Decibels, Repercussion (1981) Husker Du: New Day Rising, Flip Your Wig (1985) Elvis Costello: King of America, Blood & Chocolate (1986) Nick Cave & the Bad Seeds: Your Funeral...My Trial, Kicking Against the Pricks (1986) - --------- Some top second-tier examples, which I "eliminated": Badfinger: Magic Christian Music, No Dice (1970) Badly Drawn Boy: About a Boy, Have You Fed the Fish? (2002) Beck: Mellow Gold, One Foot in the Grave, Stereopathetic Soulmanure (1994) Brian Eno: Music for Films, Ambient #1: Music for Airports (1978) Captain Beefheart: Mirror Man, Strictly Personal (1968) Captain Beefheart: Clear Spot, The Spotlight Kid (1972) Emitt Rhodes: The American Dream, Emitt Rhodes (1970) Frank Zappa: The Grand Wazoo, Waka/Jawaka (1972) Genesis: A Trick of the Tail, Wind & Wuthering (1976) Graham Parker: Heat Treatment, Howlin Wind (1976) Jefferson Airplane: Surrealistic Pillow, After Bathing at Baxter's (1967) Joe Cocker: Joe Cocker!, With a Little Help From My Friends (1969) Lou Reed: Lou Reed, Transformer (1972) Love: Da Capo, Forever Changes (1967) Neil Young: Neil Young, Everybody Knows This is Nowhere (1969) Ramones: Rocket to Russia, Leave Home (1977) Soul Asylum: Made to Be Broken, While You Were Out (1986) Syd Barrett: The Madcap Laughs, Barrett (1970) The Beatles: Please Please Me, With the Beatles (1963) The Buzzcocks: Another Music in a Different Kitchen, Love Bites (1978) The Byrds: Ballad of Easy Rider, Dr. Byrds & Mr. Hyde (1969) The Kinks: Kinks-Size, Kinda Kinks, Kinks Kinkdom, The Kink Kontroversy (1965) The Monkees: More of the Monkees, Headquarters, Pisces, Aquarius, Capricorn & Jones Ltd. (1967) The Residents: Duck Stab, Not Available (1978) The Rolling Stones: Between the Buttons, Their Satanic Majesties Request (1967) The Who: The Who Sings My Generation, A Quick One (1966) Tom Waits: Blood Money, Alice (2002) Yes: Fragile, Close to the Edge (1972) ------------------------------ End of fegmaniax-digest V11 #415 ********************************